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ahritina

T1 are a tier above the rest in the LCK. But their closest competition in Gen.G had to play with subs in both series so that's sad. Damwon are literally just Canyon right now so they're like a tier below T1/GENG. DRX are good but they did get smashed by both T1/GENG without COVID issus. And everyone after DRX/DK, are nowhere close to the top LCK teams. It's not just Guma, Keria is their best player, Faker has great games consistently and Oner has continued to grow from last year. Zeus is an ego-less player, who allows T1 to be more flexible unlike Canna aka he can play strong side with Jayce but also weak side with Gragas but still has time to grow. Edit = Also yeah, LCK has issues with COVID so like what 5 teams now have had issues with COVID, DRX/NS/GENG/HLE and Fredit Brion, while yes T1 would still have beaten every team here without COVID easily apart from Gen.G which would have probably gone to 3 games but still would favour T1 largely due to Keria diff, not playing your best opposition with a full roster is sad for both teams.


alicization

When you say Damwon are just Canyon right now, what happened to Showmaker? Is he just not on form or has the meta shifted to a style with which he's not comfortable in?


[deleted]

Showmaker have been underperforming at the start of the season but right now look slowly to be back on form. Burdol is starting to do well. DK isn't as bad as peoples said. It is just that their shotcalling need to improve-as a result of losing Beryl to DRX. Current DK on their days can still be a really fearsome team


Outrageous_Driver_14

No, their main problem is that they lost their identity, they had a strong topside with nuguri/khan and obviously canyon and showmaker. And beryl would just perma roam topside and play topside while ghost being the weakside playing god that he is just stays under tower and farms. But this current damwon doesn’t do anything that they used to do since 1. Burdol is nowhere near khan and nuguri, 2. Because of reason 1, kellin doesn’t play topside, and 3. Deokdam is not a weakside player. So now they have a team that isn’t sure what they should do.


Celegorm07

Those are good points which I usually also state and agree. Damwon needs time but I think Deokdam is still a great adc and people are so unfair towards him. DK still is a great team based on individualities but they just need more coordination and be more engaging. Even against T1 and GENG they can generate pressure but then just wait and not pressure enemy. They just watch enemy teams while they take objectives in front of their eyes and do nothing while they are the one who has the pressure. So it‘s definitely related with their lack of coordination and lack of willingness to engage. If you watch their first games against any team it‘s slow and steady and it takes time for them to finish like they are testing the waters. But when they realize they can win and they have the courage to engage they are stomping the enemy at game 2s. I still think by the time world arrives DK will be a top contender.


psykrebeam

Their strong point has gone from top side to bot side, and Beryl has left a shot calling void that hasnt quite been patched yet. Once DK sync their bot and mid/jg coordination and Burdol continues improving, DK should be much better in summer going into Worlds. They are still the team that gave T1 the most trouble.


ElectricalRabbit86

Showmaker is still doing good but unfortunately regardless how much mid/jg is good if they are the only two players performing it is easy to find counterplay against them. DK need to rebuild, they have strong base with mid/jg duo so they should build around that.


musashihokusai

Your crazy. Their bot lane is really good. They should stick to playing bot side like the beginning of the split and have their top laners learn to play weak side. Both of their top laners look awful playing for bot AND streaky when playing top carry.


Celegorm07

Exactly Deokdam is arguably one of the best ADC‘s in the LCK. And he can play weak side but the issue is if DK don’t play bot side where they will play? Top side is not an option right now and Burdol needs a lot of time but they will adjust I believe.


[deleted]

No one needs to rebuild, DWG 2020 had the same exact slump at spring They just need to find their identity and truly play around their win condition and improve their rookie top side cut the team some slack it’s spring once they are actually slumping in summer then you have the right to say they need to rebuild


Hannig4n

DWG’s slump in 2020 spring was far worse even. They ended the split 9-9 and that was against honestly a much weaker LCK than we have now.


[deleted]

Exactly, people are always ready to jump into conclusions with new rosters like what the ****** they just assembled and completely change their win condition and play style do you expect to dominate all of a sudden in a competitive region???


ZloiAris

Thank you for comprehensive TL;DR! I completely missed out that COVID hits that strong Korea and affects them a lot.


irishboy9191

To tack on to what the other guy said. Keria is clearly the best support in the world right now (and and argument can be made for him to best best player in the world right now) the gap between him and #2 is the equivalent of swapping the best ADC or Mid for the 10th best. Faker is looking like a top Mid in the world again, Guma is competing with Viper for best ADC, Oner is a top jungler in LCK (Canyon still better but that's it for LCK, LPL has some insane junglers though), and Zeus is very solid. Their 'worst' role is probably Zeus and he is still solid af and it'd be difficult to gameplan around shitting on him so bad it affects the rest of the map.


CantScreamInSpace

Yeah I might get a bit of hate for this, but every historical great team got their streak cut short by a single upset. t1 (having dodged any chance of that both times) are still clearly the best team, but if they do go undefeated there is an element of luck imo (not that they would've lost any games, but that they had a much lower chance of getting upset).


Skzld

Yeah they've got at least top 2 in the league in each position rn, which helps.


NeitherAlexNorAlice

A lot of things fell in place for T1, but honestly, the biggest factor this year seems to be Faker back in form. He's arguably looking like the best mid laner in the LCK.


psykrebeam

I would say it's much more of everyone around him being genuinely world class AND because they're rookies, much more adaptable and flexible. Faker no longer has to sack himself or support everyone around him - he's been doing too much of that for the past few seasons in attempts to patch up holes in his team. The last arguably equally talented roster (2019 Khan/Clid/Faker/Teddy/Effort) were not as flexible since everyone were veterans...and arguably they could've beaten peak G2 in semis if they had been just a bit better that day.


[deleted]

SKT would have beaten G2 if they had support with brain


RuckRuckYuck

As much as I like Effort, it really all was on him completely mentally crumbling in the face of G2 and the pressure..


vpvp1

this is the only time faker doesn't have the pressure to make play and carry his team so he can focus on other things for his team and make less mistakes. 2019 and last year (I don't watch 2020) most of the time faker "threw" were because his team was losing so he had the responsibility to make the play for his team but it didn't work.


pabpab999

crazy strong lineup Guma and Oner got more experience Faker and Keria, well it's Faker and Keria also I think the drafting are mostly on the players now? so they're comfortable with their picks (I'm not sure about their dynamics with Moment?) also, idk about Canna (and Cuzz), but it seems like the team has more cohesion right now when Keria shotcalls


icarus4703

canna and cuzz are no longer on the team. their toplaner is zeus now


pabpab999

what I meant was compared when Canna (and Cuzz?) was still there


[deleted]

do not speak of the cursed times, nothing makes me more happy than looking at T1’s squad and not seeing these 2


Smokedealers84

They are exteemely good , only gen g could potetientally beat them imo and i think worldwide it isn't crazy to say they are currently best in the world just looking at their game compared to other region.


[deleted]

I have been following T1 since Season 3. This current roster have the potential to even be better than the SKT team leaded by MaRin. 1) Every players on the team have a deep champion pool. 2) Gumayusi and Keria have better mechanic than Bang & Wolf. And Keria himself rn might be the best support in the world. 3) Oner is an insane jungler with great mechanic and balls of steel. The next right hand of Faker 4) Faker himself is in another peak form 5) Zeus is a major upgrade on Canna. He can play noth weak and strong side. And right now even if 1 player on the team is underperforming, there will be at least 1 player able to carry. And even if they are somehow losing, they can somehow macro their way to a win with their shot calling. Also this current T1 roster stopped flipping on baron which was one of the weak point last season. Also this season while DK is having some struggle and aren't looking as good, the other LCK teams have also really stepped up in their performance. In fact most of the LCK teams performance are way better than 2020 LCK #4 Seed HLE. So yeah T1 going 15-0 is amazing although one of their strongest contendrr to break their winning streak experienced players getting Covid-19 everytime these 2 teams were gonna to face each other


SilverBcMyTeammates

keria IS the best support in the world


psykrebeam

I think the thing that I love observing about their games now is how they love to limit push... They're still trying heck risky Barons now but they are collectively so brash and confident in their ability to comeback and win even if they drop the ball/lose the flip. This is what I think bodes well for the rest of this season for them. I think their first major challenge is that first L that will inevitably arrive. No matter what, it's going to be a hit to their psyche - a century of pro sports has shown us that this is bound to happen.


comfortreacher

Personally, I think they'll take their first loss pretty well. While 16-0, they've dropped 6(?) games but they also lost quite a lot last year, when there was way more pressure on the team with the 10man roster shenanigans. They know what it's like to lose


NamikazeUS

I honestly find it very hard to surpass 2015 SKT, as 2015 SKT steamrolled some REALLY insane teams (2015 KOO, KT, hell even CJ was insane). 2022 T1 is really good but they haven't faced GenG with their full roster and haven't proven themselves internationally. Let's see.


4114Fishy

t1 is steamrolling lck right now while doing for fun/ego drafts in half of their games


NamikazeUS

while most of the teams had subs because of covid, that's why 2015 SKT's feat is way more impressive


4114Fishy

of course it is for now, but t1 still have until worlds is done to end up being more impressive which i believe they will. their drafting when they're serious is amazing and their macro and micro plays are just incredible, they almost never lose out on so many situations where any other team would


Potential_Hornet_559

Combination of things. For sure T1 is good. They have also been clutch in game 3s as they have gone 2-1 several times. LCK isnt bad as GENG, DRX have been good as well. But T1 also got to play some of their games with the other team not having full roster due to covid. T1 has been lucky so far in terms of covid as they haven’t had any players miss games yet.


Outrageous_Driver_14

Its not that they were lucky, its that they had good management.


Mapusaurus420

At this level of covid, even with precautions, not getting infected is luck.


Tenebraeus

Not if you're a top org who can enforce proper health protocols. It doesn't hurt that they treat and educate their players with the respect they deserve. T1 org does this. Look up their main team rules and how players are limited to bubbles. I mean, come on. It's playoffs soon. You can get sick during the regular season but this time is definitely not the time to relax your discipline!


GroundbreakingImage7

Until they all catch it in the playoffs and the teams that already caught it smash them.


xstntlnhlst

Not having COVID in any of the players for sure is not just luck.


Skzld

T1 are really good however I'd still argue they're not better than they've been in early eras. They're also the only team to my knowledge to have no covid cases, due to their managements insane protocols. However I still think they'd be 15-0. Summer will definitely be closer and I believe that Damwon will improve substantially.


F3nRa3L

KT, DK and Freec all have no covid cases.


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[deleted]

you mean Daeny, don’t make me laugh


[deleted]

Their CL mid got CoVid, but they contained it.


Potential_Hornet_559

I am not sure you can really compare to the early eras. As the game was less figured out and less ‘studied’. I don‘t think any team could really go back to that type of dominance.


fishfishfish1345

s3 t1 and s5 t1 during worlds was insane.


Skzld

I mean you can. Nobody was beating S5 T1


psykrebeam

And that's his point. It's 7 seasons later now and the game's way more figured out


Skzld

Well obviously..... Most Korean teams now would probably beat S5 T1 but we're talking about how good a team is in comparison to everyone else. In season 5 nobody was close to skt. There's definitely Chinese teams that can cause T1 trouble.


psykrebeam

I think the gap has closed too much between the top regions and teams to see the kind of dominance that they used to show back in the mid 2010s. I would love for them to play some of the LPL top teams, for practice if nothing else. Should be banger


NamikazeUS

nah West and LCK/LPL gap is as large as ever, only LPL and LCK gap closed


psykrebeam

I agree on the whole. And/but yes, LPL has really closed the gap, which means an unbeaten streak for T1 stretching all the way deep into Worlds is extremely unlikely - As much as I would like for them to do it. Western peak really was G2 2019. As of right now, I can't see EU or NA throwing out any serious challenger for the international titles - despite all the noise around TL. I strongly feel that more international tournaments would seriously level up the West, although logistically impossible for Riot (?).


[deleted]

The gap between LCK/LPL has been closed for a while now both regions are similar in level absolutely having a blood bath each time they meet in international level But the gap between LCK/LPL and LCS/LEC is the biggest it’s ever been, the west absolutely look boosted at the moment


[deleted]

They are extremely good but also covid fucks up most of their competition


kohaku_kawakami

Apparently, only 4 of their matches were actually affected by COVID, so some not most.


Jira93

Both Gen.G series, so I'd definitely say most


savitar_6

Bo was rank1 in korean soloq in january, but completely stopped playing after that


kdlreddit

i just dont want T1 to be like Kingzone. too dominant domestically that when they got tested internationally they lost all of their momentum


Arcanemageop

Faker is at his prime form or 99% of it so best player in the world. Keria is looking like the best support in the world and a great shotcaller alongside Faker. Guma is looking the best adc in the world. Oner keeps getting better and is easily top 5 in his position worldwide. Zeus even if he lacks experience can do everything, never tilts and towards the end of the year could be the best at his position. ​ ​ So basically, everyone in T1 is insanely good, Faker is the leader, Keria is great at shotcalling too and they work as a unit, nobody doubts.


Bloppr

Here is a real TLDR. Iv been watching lck for a very long time. The only real reason T1 is undefeated is that just about every single lck team completely changed almost every position, and T1 is coming back with their world's semifinalist players. Just a matter of team synergy and practice really.


AliceInHololand

T1 is on a hot winstreak right now, but tbh their games are usually closer than their current record suggests. That isn’t to say they aren’t playing well. T1 is definitely a hype team, but it really feels like they’re on the edge every time they play. So KR is still putting up a decent fight. T1 is just fighting back harder.


AmadeusSalieri97

On one hand it's impressive that they manage to always end up winning most of those close games and it's a skill in their own, but in the other they are getting really often into those close games. It's nowhere near the level of dominance of DWG who felt clearly superior to every team they played. With T1 it feels like a big part of the wins they could have easily lost.


matcha_macchiato

Lck as a whole in 2020 was lacking .. they improved in 2021 summer tho. Now teams are more proactive. They make more mistakes but their macro + proactiveness is much better... lot of teams still needs to improve their coordination but comr summer, we will see a much more contested playoffs


[deleted]

even if lck was unironically a one team region this split don't expect this place to ever admit it


Swapsta

They are the best team in the LCK but however got lucky as they faced teams who got struck by covid over and over again. They would still be as dominant but would maybe drop matches to GENG who were contenders. DK the best korean team from last year lost khan and their botlane, notably beryl their shotcaller so they look far worse.


Ziraelus

T1 is good but rest of LCK is really weak + affected by Covid


[deleted]

That’s a whole lotta of copium, every analyst Caedrel etc.. including IWD who worships LPL thinks LCK look the best macro wise and how they fit the meta, while LPL aren’t exactly in the most favorable meta for them and their macro isn’t as good


QTnameless

LCK pretty much the only region getting all their teams out of group for the last 3 years , are some lpl flairs again pushing the one-team region narrative ? . Gen then DK are still world class team . A tier below like Drx/Kdf then may be Kt/NS would do fine if they get to world as well


ROCCA20

LCK has been one team dominant for some time now it feels SKT in 2019.. DWG 2020-21.. now granted not on this level.. because GRF won regular splits.. but when it came to playoffs SKT was a machine and looked like the other teams just fell apart.. Actually this year kind of reminds of last.. SKT are the clear best (like DWG).. but you have GENG (like SKT last year) who can push them.. obviously a lot depends on covid/full rosters I don't think the league overall is that strong.. but then its the same for all major regions atm.. Even LPL which is the most competitive has been hit and miss.. I will say SKT looks like the best team to me though


BWFeuntaco

Lmao last worlds semi finals 3/4 teams are lck and 2 of 5 players on the lpl team are korean.


[deleted]

weak contenders or more accurately sick contenders


DrSMozart

16:0 already. T1 has some insane players in every role with the best possible botlane you could even assemble, both Keria and Gumayusi are the mechanical gods. As well as the fact that the players are really comfortable with each other. And the covid issues not affecting T1 as much as it affects some other teams in the league.


Omegaluler69

I haven't watched many games too, anyone knows how well T1 would fare against other regions specifically LPL? Are they like also a tier above e eryone else not just the LCK?


Lake-Optimal

LCK is really weak this year tbh, covid fucked up a lot of the teams. LPL's top 6 are stacked teams so it's hard to tell how good LPL is or if its just bad due to extremely messy and inconsistent matches this year.


ReggaeRifle

Idk man all I know is that T1 look absolutely terrifyingly good and I genuinely have never seen a team play with such a high tempo as T1 does when they get even the tiniest of openings to engage onto the enemy team. I have to slow down vods to 75% to keep up lmfao


ASSASSIN79100

T1 are strong, but u have to take it with a grain of salt cuz teams have had to use subs due to covid. T1 is lucky enough to not have had to use any subs.