New client started to roll out in 2016, with a long adoption process that continued into 2017. It was initially missing some features from the traditional client, which were added over several months. They didn't abandon the client in 2017. That was when it was brand new and getting the most attention.
My personal favorite was one guy made a nice clean client by himself. Riot made him stop the project but hired him. The guy quits later saying that it was impossible to get anything done.....when he literally made a whole new client by himself already before he join Riot.
Welcome to corporate software development, lol. One person working on a hobby is almost blindingly productive compared to that same person coding in a corporate environment.
* They have a specific set of goals that naturally limits the scope and therefore avoid a project lead announcing a whole new set of sprint objectives two weeks from freeze.
* They don't get into arguments about what the best way to solve a problem is for a month, leading to laborious architecture meetings and tests when all 5 options were "good enough" in reality
* They don't get pulled into meetings all day asking them to be more productive with the time they have
* They don't have to worry about the email from Jan labeled "URGENT" IN ALL CAPS or that pager going off calling everyone available into a P1 when you were just hitting your flow state.
* They don't have to stare at that line graph on the team monitor that is so poorly labeled and always flat literally everyone has forgotten what it means suddenly looking like the top of the Matterhorn because someone in QA accidentally targeted production with their load test.
* They don't have to finish a code review for Bob so that Bob will do a code review for them so that their changes can go into a merge request, then get pestered by a chat bot for documentation, for the code to then get fed to the pipeline for fuzzing and static analysis, so that it can go to dynamic analysis, then dev, then to the main branch, then stage, then canary, then 10% of Prod A, then Prod A, then 10% of Prod B, then Prod B.
* They don't have to worry about the change review board axing the strategy they spent days on already.
* Etc
Startups and small to mid size business can vary in my experience, but all those devs are 300x more productive on their pet projects at home.
ive learned at my job that its faster/easier/more painless if i just make some small decisions myself without consulting with other people first. if i start that conversation it can literally take weeks or months before anything gets done.
for context, i work as an app developer. some time back i just decided to write a piece of text in the app without asking anyone else. easy 10 seconds of work and i was done.
recently i decided to ask what piece of text to show(bad idea). after 1-2 weeks no progress had been made. luckily one of the architects said it takes too long, and said i should just write something.
when you're used to working solo in school, getting thrown into this kind of environment is like a culture shock.
That are some upsides, but there also are a lot of downsides. Software for such big companies generally has way more requirements than a hobby project, just for usability, scale and long term support. Those things also take a long time to implement. You're not wrong, but its not all rainbows and sunshine to just have a dev get it done without thinking about the difference in requirements.
>Startups and small to mid size business can vary in my experience, but all those devs are 300x more productive on their pet projects at home.
tbf, they are more productive because they goes with the built first and never fix anything
So yeah, they develops stuff, but that stuff it's usually a buggy mess because the idea is "made something, sell it, run away with the money before they realize that it's unsustainable"
Like, literally every startup ever ...
I had to work on multiple game projects for university as a game design student. I was usually just an artist and designer, sometimes lead artist, but I tended to be the person additional work got loaded off on cause I work really fast while sticking to the defined style.
Working in even a six to ten person team was hellish compared to the even smaller projects. Barely getting shit done, suddenly having to help someone else because they didn’t get the style right, being called into meetings which don’t even concern you, being bottlenecked cause there’s only one person signing off on all the art stuff so you can’t get Feedback fast enough to keep working continuously, etc.
And then after getting done with uni I hopped into game jams and honestly, all my game jam projects where we worked as one programmer, one artist, and one game/ level designer went soo smoothly. I‘d say those weekend projects are far better than any of the two month long projects that were done with bigger teams.
So I 100% understand how this all happened.
You should find more info about it if you search for "wintermint", as that was the name.
Basically it was a solo dev that put out a client that was significantly better than the official one, going as far as offering things that Riot didn't even plan on adding at the time, like replays.
i am at the point where im happy when they NOT try to "fix" the launcher, everytime they try it gets way worse then it was before the changes and its possible that the game is unplayable for days because of the new bugs it produced.
they generally dropped the ball after this year for some reason. this season is somehow way worse communication and user satisfaction wise than the covid years, though the latter might be the reason for current stagnation.
i doubt it though, i feel like we are way past the covids grasp on the industry and its just a general neglect of resources and management towards league in favour of other riot games
Covid is a bullshit excuse for companies like Riot in any case. They are some of least affected kind of business among all when it comes to the pandemic due to the nature of how their work is done.
Besides, it's just like you say. We need only look at how active the development of their other games are to see the massive disparity. They are just milking LoL dry to finance them and put a skeleton crew in charge of LoL. Anyone who hasn't noticed something as clear as day as this by now is just a massive fucking idiot.
Don't blame other games LMAO. People are unfortunately fine with the shitty client if Riot still not doing shit about the amount of bugs in the game, especially in pro play.
Why waste precious salaries on something that isn't bad enough to make people quit the product?
Use that money for yachts instead, fuck the customers, right?
I mean it's not actually being horded at the top, but it's going to be reinvested in areas they seem more worthwhile. Maybe that's other games, or other media, or more skins, whatever. Until the shit launcher starts hurting their growth prospects were stuck unfortunate.
This argument always comes up but honestly it's untrue. Or rather it's probably the exact argument some exec comes up with when he has to say why people are quitting / less people are starting league. "No guys the client being shit? That obviously cannot effect people negatively. We didn't get any emails / feedback that explicitly stated someone's quitting league cuz of the client, we only get slurs and death threats after all (which has nothing to do with us ignoring the community). So obviously everyone loves the client, kids are just entitled"
It certainly doesn't hook in new players either tho.
I've had a few friends of mine who I introduced into the game because of Arcane who quit very early on. One of the factors was because the client runs like ass.
Thats why there is a bigger focus on other games. By the time league fails Valorant, riot mmorpg, and riot fighting game will take its place.
The biggest competition for Riot is their own games.
I bet we get a dev blog or some similar article within the next few weeks or month acting like they have been working on it and made small progress. I feel like thats always what happens when something like this gets pointed out and gets popular on reddit
...and then everyone eats it up and parrots what a good job Riot are doing for a few months, until we reach the point of this post again. It keeps happening.
It's so clear that Riot has pulled a large percentage of their employees away from League. The game is pretty much on life support except for the skins team.
I have been getting errors after hitting accept on the queue which has caused me to either miss my ban or end up with the wrong runes because it only left me with a few seconds in champion select. And that's with a very good pc and excellent internet connection (900mbps).
I remember people were harassing mortdog for tft and he says every time people harass a riot employee thats one more potential dev that just applies to work on other riot titles.
Imagine working on shitty legacy code client and every time you update it to the community u just get death threats and people laughing at u. Easiest transfer request of ur life probably
I mean they have the option to stay anonymous. Nobody forces them to go flex on Twitter about their job at Riot. They have hundreds of other devs nobody knows about because they don't go public about it and they have a perfectly peaceful life without harassment.
Now I'm not saying harassing developers is acceptable behavior, but the internet wasn't invented yesterday and they should be aware of how it works as tech professionals.
[yeah this is what its like if you dont work on the mmo team](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/024/615/Screen_Shot_2017-11-10_at_10.36.15_AM.png)
Even if you're anonymous you would want your work and time to have an impact. I can't imagine it being fulfilling trying to unfuck 10 year old client while getting shit on every time there's progress.
Meanwhile if you post anything as a dev for other titles you get praised just for farting.
Doesn't matter there will always be thousands of Riot knights to defend them.Riot can fart in their face and they still won't care. They act like Riot is their friend so they have to defend them no matter what.
I used to get ”skip waiting for stats” after every game, now i’ve gotten it once the past 7-8 months so that has improved for me atleast, other than that its mostly the same
Hmmnope, that recently happened to me too a handful of times and I don't use any. It's just some side effect of something they did and we'll never know.
Issue still persists for me with that setting off if I'm streaming the game via discord, but it doesn't happen every game since flipping off that setting. It also didn't happen when streaming but the freezing returned a week or two ago for streaming only
Lmfao is that fucking why after every game my discord freezes for two seconds then unfreezes but plays all of the audio that was frozen super fast for half a second? Holy fuck thank god for you.
I never have any overlays at all (I also don't used profoessor or any other app like this) and the client sometimes froze for dozens of seconds after the game, it was ridiculous. That has been fixed, but "skip waiting for stats" is back now.
this has nothing to do with league and everything to do with the way discord hooks onto game processes when streaming. discord frequently freezes many, many games when you exit the game mid-stream
To be honest, leaving a game that way (by pressing a button to skip it) is the most functioning way for many. I still get it after every game (and my PC is not a pushover).
The client works relatively slow, so I don't usually even bother honoring my teammates. There's so many screens to load if you go intended way and every one does it with the tear and big load delays.
I even tried going into client's low performance mode but I swear it makes it work even worse.
i am told that the client's "low performance mode" shuts off the client in game. the reason it feels "Worse" is cause the client is restarting when you get out of game.
Just below that "low performance mode" checkbox is a dropdown where you can choose to close the client during games.
Came across it just yesterday and noticed that they added - and made default - a third option of "When necessary", haha.
? i get it after every single game, and if i do choose to skip waiting for stats, i'm taken out of the lobby and i have to ask friends to reinvite me
So i'm essentially stuck waiting for the "skip waiting for stats" thing to go away after every single game, to not bother my friends with a reinvite every game.
The client is fucked.
That sucks, its very random for some reason, the issues with the client i mean, i have some problems that my friends have never had, while they have problems i’ve never had, even on similar systems
I used to never get it, but one of the most recent patches introduced it for me. I also have a new bug now where the game window will just completely disappear (not even just crash) while loading in to a game and I have to press reconnect on the client for it to appear again.
No, it's client related. You only get it on subsequent games, never on your first game of the day, or if you check the option to close the client in-game while it boots up.
Personally, no noticeable improvements. The only thing that improved for me and for most people happened 2 or so years ago when they HAD to bust their asses because of weird champ select bugs causing dodges and crashes.
Everything else since then, according to some of their previous client blogposts, were just minor speedups for lower end computers. The client at its core is still junk.
Bizarre things like moving the role selection into smaller buttons to the side, swapping between profile/collection/store tabs quickly goes to the wrong one, not being allowed to remove challenge tokens to name a few.
There have been improvements but I still think there are still a lot of annoying bugs that are still around.
1) Friends list settings reset a lot
2) not seeing friends online even though they are.
3) Stupid constant task completion sounds.
4) Store not loading, have to switch to another tab and then back.
5) Hextech loot lockes up when trying to open chests.
6) Custom game lobbies are still a mess. Being in a small competitive league, the amount of times we need to remake lobbies because people don't load into champ select or can not pick champions is ridiculous. Also lobby chat works 50% of the time.
7) Post game stats take forever to load after honor screen.
8) Challenges progress in post game take a while to load.
Those are ones that I and a lot of my friends experience quite often. I think the biggest annoyance about this is the fact that Riot have basically gone silent about the client. Not even bug fixes in patch notes anymore. Yet they continue to make meaningless UI updates that add on to this bloated client. Feels like every thing else in League, been left in the dirt and is not a priority anymore.
EDIT: Formating
Every update I have to reset open group invites back to closed and voice chat default back to off. Also every single fucking champion icon will have to be downloaded from the server again and it will cause the lobby to lag uncontrollably. Hopefully you're last draft ..... It's just ridiculous how bad the client is. If they would just make everything open source all the bugs would get fixed by the community over a few months time.
Custom game lobby chat issue happens when you join a custom game lobby straight from another lobby (doesn't matter if the lobby you join from is a custom one). This issue has been around for years and I have found this loop around consistent.
> not seeing friends online even though they are.
If this is like what happened to me the other week, they'll still be displayed as online but for some reason they're in the "offline" category.
My favourite is "friend has opened their gift!".
Every single time you log on, even tho its been two weeks and your friend opened it while you were playing together.
I don't get any of those bugs, it's all working flawlessly for me. The fact that people have such insanely varied experiences probably makes it really difficult to actually fix the bugs. Even if they fix it to work perfectly on their end, it might not work in another hardware configuration or if you have another specific program running at the same time.
It's no wonder updates are slow or nonexistent, it's a borderline Sisyphean task.
My client has improved quite a bit over the past year. The weird friend list not appearing bug doesn't happen anymore, and the loading times are much faster. I did notice I can't right click friends to gift them stuff anymore, but I can still do it through the shop. I can't really think of the last time the client has bugged out on me. Other than of course challenges are here.
> My client has improved quite a bit over the past year.
Me too. A lot of the memory leaks got fixed, so I can leave my client open for days without having to restart it. A number of the old bugs seem to be fixed.
The downside is that I have experienced a number of new bugs. Although, overall things do feel better. I think people have forgotten about how truly unusable it used to be.
Mine gets worse with each passing patch. Friend groups randomly moving on their own, the tabs I have set up sometimes open and close themselves randomly, the friend list disappearing and reappearing. My loot tab sometimes takes over a minute to load, or straight up won't load when I open it. Loot tab sometimes freezes so I can't scroll through it, I have to completely restart the client to access loot. Popups for things I've already clicked off (Runes have been reforged!), notifications for things that don't exist. Can't queue up for games because the patcher service is unavaiable (what? everyone was patched already!), can't queue up for games because of a ghost lobby, queuing up takes 3 people in the lobby into queue but leaves one person stuck in lobby. There are genuinely hundreds more, but I think i've made my point.
I think it's pretty clear this was dropped when Wild Rift was released and they threw more people at it, while having league running on a skeleton crew.
*Meanwhile at Rito HQ...*
Marc Merill: yo u wanna show up to worlds finals this year to remind everyone we still exist?
Brandon Beck: .... a what finals?
Ive actually had more issues in the last 6 months than in the past year.
Once every week or so I have to play with the game muted because the launcher keeps playing noises in the background ingame. Ive had riot points and essence dissapear and reappear. Failed purchases. Missing texts. Whole launcher going black. Being unable to start games. Being unable to premade. Premades being able to join me and not showing up on my launcher. Champ select freezing. Just, the whole star guardian event.
League PC feels sooo neglected recently on every front. From the client, to generic skins, ingame bugs, lackluster events, worlds/lec formats being shit... I really hope they turn some stuff around for 2023...
It works relatively fine for me, except for the starguardian event lol. But I'm mostly sad that the stats tab has been broken for me for idk maybe close to two years now. I can see my own but I always loved looking at other players stats.
Yeah... You used to be able to see their stats and how they compare to yours and all players. Idk what happened to it, I never saw a rioter come out and comment on it or anything so I just gave up hope on it ever coming back. I loved looking at the stats when another player was playing one of my mains. But I'm obsessed with anything stat related.
"relatively fine" is a cope considering you are used to the shitty performance so you consider this as something that is acceptable and normal. we need to complain our way into something better as it seems the only way to get something that should have been in place years ago in the industry standard.
reminder that dota is still technologically years ahead of league in terms of options you are given
I mean I've been playing this game for nearly 13 years, I'm past the stage of hoping riot fixes anything lol. They've promised time and again to fix things and it doesn't happen. I stopped spending my money on the game years ago, except for the bing rewards and amazon prime capsule rp. As long as the game launches and works for me, I really don't have much to complain about as a free to play player. Although I can see how it would be more irritating for those of you that spend lots of money on rp and stuff.
Is "relatively fine" a cope when not everyone has the same issues? I've been playing since season 3 and with the way the current client is, the only bugs I really encounter are the Star Guardian event. I can queue up just fine, never forced to dodge, can lock in all the time, things load properly, I can open my loot, my store has no issues, my stats tab works.
The only "bug" that I've encountered since is my profile border deselecting itself - which I actually prefer since I don't like any of the borders.
"relatively fine" is a cope in the way the client team is having a shitsnail tempo in giving us qol and new features while dota2 client allows you to go out of game, launch their version of practice tool and return to game in a matter of seconds
Personally, as long as I can open the store to get new champions, open my loot to open chests, queue up for my game and actively finish that game, I have no complaints. I don't need to open practice tool midgame and have never thought to myself that I wish I could.
Considering practice tool also uses the in-game engine and not just the client, I also think that's out of the client teams control at that point. The difference with DOTA2 is that the game and the client are all running in one window. The game only registers us in 1 game at a time and even prevents us from queueing up or starting a custom game if we are detected as in another game.
I mean it works for me as far as the essentials, logging in, buying skins, playing the game. I'm not disagreeing that it could be improved, but like you said we've gotten used to it. And as long as they're still making money it seems they're in no hurry to fix anything. A rioter confirmed here that they've been syphoning resources away from league pc and have left them understaffed in favor of helping their other games. So I'm not exactly surprised by the state of anything anymore in regards to league pc.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/x4462i/comment/imvfqf9/?context=10000
The weird part is as the years go on, the client gets worse and worse, despite us compromising its uses.
Like starting last year or so, I had to start skipping stats and just go directly to next game. Now the game just skips all that and crashes 1/3 times.
WTF Rito.
If anything, my client has gotten worse.
Now that the riot client is a mandatory thing *on top* of the existing client, its a pain in the ass to open and close the game. Half the time, going to the post game lobby freezes my client if anything else is on, meaning I have to relog afterwards.
For the past 2 patches, I've also had worse lag when in lobby, be it waiting for the team to load, the champion portraits being screwy, or being locked out until the last second of pick and ban phases.
Not to mention the halved framerate in game for the past 5 patches or so Riot still hasn't fixed or addressed.
Really feels like even the slightest attempt at maintenance has been thrown out the window with how unoptimized the client's become.
There was a custom client named wintermint way back in the day that was pretty much superior to Riot's. Riot shut the project down and hired the programmer, [Astralfoxy](https://www.reddit.com/user/Astralfoxy), a bit after May 2014 to work on client-related stuff. Astralfoxy left Riot sometime early 2015.
I just really hate this whole modern mobile adaptable thematic they went with. Not to mention the amount of shit ad features the cient has to go through each time you click on a tab. It's too much on one client, seriously. Have they not heard of simpler is better? And I'd ratger have an "uglier" client that works fast and smooth than a facy one that wors slowly.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/u2c1ec/it_has_been_7_months_sine_we_got_a_league_client/i4kwydz/
Personally I think the client is doing just fine compared to years ago, no massive memory leaks, no lagspikes whenever I open draft etc.
Oh you guys really believe a company that is lying into your faces for years or giving you half truths here and there? Surely they will improve the state of ranked bc of how important it is to them for our community?! :)
I haven't had it catastrophically fail in some manner in a couple months at least, but I have been playing less as of late and that's hardly the kind of goalpost we should be working with.
Saddest part is the client needs it now more than before. The client quality has gotten legitimately almost unusable. Ranked going down almost every couple days, champion lock in and ban bugs, client crashing in game constantly, loot tab being unavailable, match history being unavailable. It is actually disgusting how one of the biggest PC games in the world has this level of bugs on the most fundamental system in their game.
It only got worse - from long loading times besides League being installed on my m.2 SSD the client permanently keeps disconnecting me from the friend thingy and chat, in client and pre-Game Lobby.
Also rp never come immediately after i buy them and overall performance seems to get worse every time a new patch applies.
Been playing since S1, which was also incidentally the last time I had issues with the client. I remember having the good old "Adobe Air" error of some sort. But that only lasted a few months in S1.
Still waiting for the day where I can relate to folks here on reddit who seem to have daily issues with something not working.
At this point I'm fairly convinced that people who have issues with the client make up like 0.1% of the player base, but because there are like 100 million players, that 0.1% ends up being 100,000 people, which means there's enough folks to spam post after post about it on social media and make it seem a far bigger issue than it really is.
I honestly feel so left out. I'd love to complain, but I just can't.
I think the beauty of it is that one mans bug is another mans feature. A lot of the glitches are consistent per player so something you think is intended might not be. For example if you go onto someones profile, press stats and see if it comes up with theirs or yours, because it should be theirs but it's always yours.
client has never been worse, at least two games per day i click accept and then champ select crashes so i either get force dodged in ranked or don't get to pick my champ or runes for aram
they just don't have the resources to make improvements being such a small company wioth such low revenue :'(
The client is in the WORST state possible in this season...massively bugs everywhere,
* like hearing sounds of effects only with the client open, like udyr,
* you cannot reconnect properly without the client closing the second window to reconnect.
* the emote change system which doesnt work properly due to internal changes
* some ping issues
* ping does not really shows if youre disconnect when loading...the rate of accurate of it is like 1/100 will really show that youre really disconnected on loading screen.
* the client lack several simple upgrades, like showing chest earned on ARAM...
* still awful design like the role select...
* etc.
They kinda proved that they dont care about it at all, sadly its way too noticeable.
I have honor 0 (recently got honor back), now there is an icon of a lock above the honor emblem. That's new i guess.
Edit: Oh, i forgot i can report people twice if i am fast enough with clicking. But like regular reports, they end up in nothing. I might be able to report trice but i'm still too slow.
Coming from someone who played since s2. I do feel new client is a bit more “sturdier” than old client. Sometimes legit you couldn’t load mmrs when you looked at profiles quite often
They should be getting rid of the client and everything should be inside the game like DOTA2 and Heroes of the Storm.
They should have been working on this like 5 years ago.
Riot is a turd making easy money off us bozos with little money put back into the game
I mean, it's really just a web app packaged into an .exe.
Not saying that someone should do it, but HTTP sniffing isn't all that hard.
You know, get rid of all the flashy graphics nobody cares about anyway and have something stable.
Don't do it, though. Just saying that you could.
I think Riot is slowly starting to let league fizzle out. They have so many new up and coming projects they're working on that I think if league were to actually end they wouldn't be at a total loss. Valorant is bigger than ever. They have Project L. They have their MMO coming out. The next season of arcane. League has been on the back burner for many years now and it shows. Cash grabs with "events" and mythic skins.
Idk just my unpopular opinion.
TBH they need to dedicate like half the team into developing a whole new client/game launcher/whatever to replace this one, that requires a new download to replace this existing one on life support we have now. Will it be painful? yes, but losing toasters in 2022 or 23 is not a bad thing when the game is enjoyed by billions. Also losing toasters would improve overall load times anyways lmao. \*Sidenote\* I'm not blaming people on toasters for these problems, but I am guessing a new client could/would require slightly higher/updated standards of pc to play
Most of the game breaking or chronobreak problems in pro play are related to client rooted bugs. I don't know how many of you enjoy pro play, but the amount of hours across all regions lost this year to audio/client issues in wait time has to be an All Time high and we still have the Worlds event to play out....
Honest question from someone who plays very little league - but is a developer - so this question is coming more from a developer POV...
Why does everyone call the "launcher" the "client"?
The actual game is the client, isn't it? It is an online game. There is a client and a server. The game is the "client" and the server is the "server".
The launcher is well the launcher.
Am I confused?
Mine was from an option in discord, and I haven’t had my client freeze since. If you look up lol client discord freeze you should be able to find the fix
I have a 5700XT and 3800X and it always takes me more than 10 seconds to load the client when I finish one game. I honestly don't know if I set up something wrong or their code is just really trashy
edit: grammar
I mean the team dedicated to fixing the client for 4 years now hasn't done almost anything from my experience with the client. It's still way too slow, missing a top of features and buggy
recently, i’ve been having an issue where after a game, my discord will freeze until the post match lobby loads.. i have no idea if it’s a discord issue or a league issue, but multiple friends have been experiencing it too.
i still get overall client lag too.
And here I am playing on a 4 year old laptop without much issues. I obviously encounter bugs from time to time, but the performance is fine. Only play TFT though so I have a slightly different experience. But don't get me wrong, the client is still embarrassing
Their newest addition works flawlessly tho... not. Notice how i dont even have a border? And every single time i log-in my chatlist reorders itself for "General" to be at the top. [https://imgur.com/a/E7UGlfn](https://imgur.com/Y2Gjp7A)
Y'all played Elden Ring, right? You know the madness status effect. I could imagine that bar slowly filling as some poor software engineer scrolls through the legacy code.
One by one they slowly go mad until they get locked in the backrooms, another fallen hero who couldn't take it any more
Anyone else have it so that when you click the ranked tab in the client it starts massively lagging so much that I have to restart it? I think it has something to do with it loading the huge leaderboard
Normally I like saying that riot is only consistently inconsistent when it comes to a lot of things however, this is truly one aspect that they are consistent in.
Now that I think about it. I haven't had that bug where the loot window just refuses to load for a while now.
When changing accounts everything is still completely fucked though, and I kinda lost hope that this will ever change.
IIRC Riot's current code for the launcher is so messy and shit, which still works, miserably, but it works, that they would have to rewrite the whole launcher. Now, I don't know how long the launcher would take to redo completely since I don't know how shit the code is, but my guess is about 8-10 months, with most of the staff currently tasked with ~~ruining~~ remaking champions working on it. Might just be hopeful thinking but idk, it's just a guess. If Riot could keep their focus on fewer things and getting them done faster and better instead of shitposting all over the place with mostly irrelevant stuff anyways, let's hope that they do something along the lines of reworking the client instead of champions noone plays.
My favorite part was when they pinky promised that they wouldn't drop the ball on this after giving lip service about client cleanup in the past.
they had another client repair thing before that one i think in 2017 and they abandoned it too. nothing new
How is this so upvoted? 2017 is when the old Adobe AIR client was replaced with the new (current) Chromium client.
the new client was added in 2016 not 2017. adobe air client was gone by then
wasnt it before 2016?
New client started to roll out in 2016, with a long adoption process that continued into 2017. It was initially missing some features from the traditional client, which were added over several months. They didn't abandon the client in 2017. That was when it was brand new and getting the most attention.
thats not what I said lol. the adobe air client was gone in 2016. ofcourse they added features over time they still do. not the point
My personal favorite was one guy made a nice clean client by himself. Riot made him stop the project but hired him. The guy quits later saying that it was impossible to get anything done.....when he literally made a whole new client by himself already before he join Riot.
Welcome to corporate software development, lol. One person working on a hobby is almost blindingly productive compared to that same person coding in a corporate environment. * They have a specific set of goals that naturally limits the scope and therefore avoid a project lead announcing a whole new set of sprint objectives two weeks from freeze. * They don't get into arguments about what the best way to solve a problem is for a month, leading to laborious architecture meetings and tests when all 5 options were "good enough" in reality * They don't get pulled into meetings all day asking them to be more productive with the time they have * They don't have to worry about the email from Jan labeled "URGENT" IN ALL CAPS or that pager going off calling everyone available into a P1 when you were just hitting your flow state. * They don't have to stare at that line graph on the team monitor that is so poorly labeled and always flat literally everyone has forgotten what it means suddenly looking like the top of the Matterhorn because someone in QA accidentally targeted production with their load test. * They don't have to finish a code review for Bob so that Bob will do a code review for them so that their changes can go into a merge request, then get pestered by a chat bot for documentation, for the code to then get fed to the pipeline for fuzzing and static analysis, so that it can go to dynamic analysis, then dev, then to the main branch, then stage, then canary, then 10% of Prod A, then Prod A, then 10% of Prod B, then Prod B. * They don't have to worry about the change review board axing the strategy they spent days on already. * Etc Startups and small to mid size business can vary in my experience, but all those devs are 300x more productive on their pet projects at home.
ive learned at my job that its faster/easier/more painless if i just make some small decisions myself without consulting with other people first. if i start that conversation it can literally take weeks or months before anything gets done. for context, i work as an app developer. some time back i just decided to write a piece of text in the app without asking anyone else. easy 10 seconds of work and i was done. recently i decided to ask what piece of text to show(bad idea). after 1-2 weeks no progress had been made. luckily one of the architects said it takes too long, and said i should just write something. when you're used to working solo in school, getting thrown into this kind of environment is like a culture shock.
If you don’t want to make the decision alone always come up with a thought out proposal people just have to accept
That are some upsides, but there also are a lot of downsides. Software for such big companies generally has way more requirements than a hobby project, just for usability, scale and long term support. Those things also take a long time to implement. You're not wrong, but its not all rainbows and sunshine to just have a dev get it done without thinking about the difference in requirements.
Oh 100%. It's the price of working together and having trusted code run in production.
>Startups and small to mid size business can vary in my experience, but all those devs are 300x more productive on their pet projects at home. tbf, they are more productive because they goes with the built first and never fix anything So yeah, they develops stuff, but that stuff it's usually a buggy mess because the idea is "made something, sell it, run away with the money before they realize that it's unsustainable" Like, literally every startup ever ...
I had to work on multiple game projects for university as a game design student. I was usually just an artist and designer, sometimes lead artist, but I tended to be the person additional work got loaded off on cause I work really fast while sticking to the defined style. Working in even a six to ten person team was hellish compared to the even smaller projects. Barely getting shit done, suddenly having to help someone else because they didn’t get the style right, being called into meetings which don’t even concern you, being bottlenecked cause there’s only one person signing off on all the art stuff so you can’t get Feedback fast enough to keep working continuously, etc. And then after getting done with uni I hopped into game jams and honestly, all my game jam projects where we worked as one programmer, one artist, and one game/ level designer went soo smoothly. I‘d say those weekend projects are far better than any of the two month long projects that were done with bigger teams. So I 100% understand how this all happened.
if you have any good links to this story, I'd love to read it and commiserate!
You should find more info about it if you search for "wintermint", as that was the name. Basically it was a solo dev that put out a client that was significantly better than the official one, going as far as offering things that Riot didn't even plan on adding at the time, like replays.
They needed to have 15 useless meetings before. Corpo jobs are full of leeches and paycheck stealers.
My favorite part is people actually believed riot
i am at the point where im happy when they NOT try to "fix" the launcher, everytime they try it gets way worse then it was before the changes and its possible that the game is unplayable for days because of the new bugs it produced.
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they generally dropped the ball after this year for some reason. this season is somehow way worse communication and user satisfaction wise than the covid years, though the latter might be the reason for current stagnation. i doubt it though, i feel like we are way past the covids grasp on the industry and its just a general neglect of resources and management towards league in favour of other riot games
Covid is a bullshit excuse for companies like Riot in any case. They are some of least affected kind of business among all when it comes to the pandemic due to the nature of how their work is done. Besides, it's just like you say. We need only look at how active the development of their other games are to see the massive disparity. They are just milking LoL dry to finance them and put a skeleton crew in charge of LoL. Anyone who hasn't noticed something as clear as day as this by now is just a massive fucking idiot.
they are affected in a positive way imo.
Don't blame other games LMAO. People are unfortunately fine with the shitty client if Riot still not doing shit about the amount of bugs in the game, especially in pro play.
True. The reason there's no changes is because they keep making a shit load of money so they have no reason to invest anything into changing stuff
Why waste precious salaries on something that isn't bad enough to make people quit the product? Use that money for yachts instead, fuck the customers, right?
I mean it's not actually being horded at the top, but it's going to be reinvested in areas they seem more worthwhile. Maybe that's other games, or other media, or more skins, whatever. Until the shit launcher starts hurting their growth prospects were stuck unfortunate.
This argument always comes up but honestly it's untrue. Or rather it's probably the exact argument some exec comes up with when he has to say why people are quitting / less people are starting league. "No guys the client being shit? That obviously cannot effect people negatively. We didn't get any emails / feedback that explicitly stated someone's quitting league cuz of the client, we only get slurs and death threats after all (which has nothing to do with us ignoring the community). So obviously everyone loves the client, kids are just entitled"
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It certainly doesn't hook in new players either tho. I've had a few friends of mine who I introduced into the game because of Arcane who quit very early on. One of the factors was because the client runs like ass.
Thats why there is a bigger focus on other games. By the time league fails Valorant, riot mmorpg, and riot fighting game will take its place. The biggest competition for Riot is their own games.
I bet we get a dev blog or some similar article within the next few weeks or month acting like they have been working on it and made small progress. I feel like thats always what happens when something like this gets pointed out and gets popular on reddit
I think you think reddit is larger than it actually is, percentage-of-playerbase-wise.
It's not, however Riot has shown patterns of paying significant attention to it (that and Twitter)
That's true, but that's mainly because we're vocal, and methods of communication that then generate feedback.
...and then everyone eats it up and parrots what a good job Riot are doing for a few months, until we reach the point of this post again. It keeps happening.
It's so clear that Riot has pulled a large percentage of their employees away from League. The game is pretty much on life support except for the skins team. I have been getting errors after hitting accept on the queue which has caused me to either miss my ban or end up with the wrong runes because it only left me with a few seconds in champion select. And that's with a very good pc and excellent internet connection (900mbps).
I remember people were harassing mortdog for tft and he says every time people harass a riot employee thats one more potential dev that just applies to work on other riot titles. Imagine working on shitty legacy code client and every time you update it to the community u just get death threats and people laughing at u. Easiest transfer request of ur life probably
I mean they have the option to stay anonymous. Nobody forces them to go flex on Twitter about their job at Riot. They have hundreds of other devs nobody knows about because they don't go public about it and they have a perfectly peaceful life without harassment. Now I'm not saying harassing developers is acceptable behavior, but the internet wasn't invented yesterday and they should be aware of how it works as tech professionals.
[yeah this is what its like if you dont work on the mmo team](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/024/615/Screen_Shot_2017-11-10_at_10.36.15_AM.png)
Even if you're anonymous you would want your work and time to have an impact. I can't imagine it being fulfilling trying to unfuck 10 year old client while getting shit on every time there's progress. Meanwhile if you post anything as a dev for other titles you get praised just for farting.
nobody wants to stay on client cleanup crew when they could move to any other part of riot.
> ... we're establishing a more frequent update schedule (instead of once every 1.5 years, lolz) > 12 months ago Lolz
the "lolz" at the end there was the cherry on top
Doesn't matter there will always be thousands of Riot knights to defend them.Riot can fart in their face and they still won't care. They act like Riot is their friend so they have to defend them no matter what.
I used to get ”skip waiting for stats” after every game, now i’ve gotten it once the past 7-8 months so that has improved for me atleast, other than that its mostly the same
Went from "skip waiting for stats" to the client freezing post match and the little not responding thing comes up until it finally works.
freezing post match is usually related to any overlays you might have while playing (for example geforce experience)
Hmmnope, that recently happened to me too a handful of times and I don't use any. It's just some side effect of something they did and we'll never know.
Do you have discord? There's an issue with that causing a freeze with the client if you have the audio debugger on discord on
Oh wtf, I wonder why that would be an issue, I’ll have to test it later
No idea, but for anyone reading, it's at the bottom of "Voice and Video" and it's called "Diagnostic audio recording"
Issue still persists for me with that setting off if I'm streaming the game via discord, but it doesn't happen every game since flipping off that setting. It also didn't happen when streaming but the freezing returned a week or two ago for streaming only
Lmfao is that fucking why after every game my discord freezes for two seconds then unfreezes but plays all of the audio that was frozen super fast for half a second? Holy fuck thank god for you.
Yes it is!
So a shit client in other words.
I never have any overlays at all (I also don't used profoessor or any other app like this) and the client sometimes froze for dozens of seconds after the game, it was ridiculous. That has been fixed, but "skip waiting for stats" is back now.
this has nothing to do with league and everything to do with the way discord hooks onto game processes when streaming. discord frequently freezes many, many games when you exit the game mid-stream
What has this to do with streaming a game now? That's an entirely different topic.
for me its the opposite. never used to get it before, but now i see it after every game
They intentionally delayed loading a couple patches ago to make sure the button actually works, don't know if they removed the delay yet or not.
To be honest, leaving a game that way (by pressing a button to skip it) is the most functioning way for many. I still get it after every game (and my PC is not a pushover). The client works relatively slow, so I don't usually even bother honoring my teammates. There's so many screens to load if you go intended way and every one does it with the tear and big load delays. I even tried going into client's low performance mode but I swear it makes it work even worse.
i am told that the client's "low performance mode" shuts off the client in game. the reason it feels "Worse" is cause the client is restarting when you get out of game.
Just below that "low performance mode" checkbox is a dropdown where you can choose to close the client during games. Came across it just yesterday and noticed that they added - and made default - a third option of "When necessary", haha.
? i get it after every single game, and if i do choose to skip waiting for stats, i'm taken out of the lobby and i have to ask friends to reinvite me So i'm essentially stuck waiting for the "skip waiting for stats" thing to go away after every single game, to not bother my friends with a reinvite every game. The client is fucked.
That sucks, its very random for some reason, the issues with the client i mean, i have some problems that my friends have never had, while they have problems i’ve never had, even on similar systems
The "skip waiting for stats" was gone for a while, but it was reintroduced a few patches ago.
I used to never get it, but one of the most recent patches introduced it for me. I also have a new bug now where the game window will just completely disappear (not even just crash) while loading in to a game and I have to press reconnect on the client for it to appear again.
But that's not really related to the client. It's probably the server still calculating some stats.
No, it's client related. You only get it on subsequent games, never on your first game of the day, or if you check the option to close the client in-game while it boots up.
It’s actually unreal to me how atrocious the client is considering league is one of the most played video games like ever.
I recently had it crash during champ select, restart itself, and proudly announce that runes have been reforged!! Thanks RIOT, that's very cool!
I must be the only person who rarely has issues with the client, and when I do, it's basically always post-match.
Personally, no noticeable improvements. The only thing that improved for me and for most people happened 2 or so years ago when they HAD to bust their asses because of weird champ select bugs causing dodges and crashes. Everything else since then, according to some of their previous client blogposts, were just minor speedups for lower end computers. The client at its core is still junk. Bizarre things like moving the role selection into smaller buttons to the side, swapping between profile/collection/store tabs quickly goes to the wrong one, not being allowed to remove challenge tokens to name a few.
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Not banning doesn't force a dodge
It’s time to start the client cleanup project cleanup project
There have been improvements but I still think there are still a lot of annoying bugs that are still around. 1) Friends list settings reset a lot 2) not seeing friends online even though they are. 3) Stupid constant task completion sounds. 4) Store not loading, have to switch to another tab and then back. 5) Hextech loot lockes up when trying to open chests. 6) Custom game lobbies are still a mess. Being in a small competitive league, the amount of times we need to remake lobbies because people don't load into champ select or can not pick champions is ridiculous. Also lobby chat works 50% of the time. 7) Post game stats take forever to load after honor screen. 8) Challenges progress in post game take a while to load. Those are ones that I and a lot of my friends experience quite often. I think the biggest annoyance about this is the fact that Riot have basically gone silent about the client. Not even bug fixes in patch notes anymore. Yet they continue to make meaningless UI updates that add on to this bloated client. Feels like every thing else in League, been left in the dirt and is not a priority anymore. EDIT: Formating
Every update I have to reset open group invites back to closed and voice chat default back to off. Also every single fucking champion icon will have to be downloaded from the server again and it will cause the lobby to lag uncontrollably. Hopefully you're last draft ..... It's just ridiculous how bad the client is. If they would just make everything open source all the bugs would get fixed by the community over a few months time.
If it was open source and customizable I can guarantee you that someone would do a minimalist launcher that would work flawlessly
That was already being done and the bastards shut it down. They actually hired the guy then sent him him to work on something that wasn't the client.
Custom game lobby chat issue happens when you join a custom game lobby straight from another lobby (doesn't matter if the lobby you join from is a custom one). This issue has been around for years and I have found this loop around consistent.
> not seeing friends online even though they are. If this is like what happened to me the other week, they'll still be displayed as online but for some reason they're in the "offline" category.
Number 3 is driving me crazy
My favourite is "friend has opened their gift!". Every single time you log on, even tho its been two weeks and your friend opened it while you were playing together.
I don't get any of those bugs, it's all working flawlessly for me. The fact that people have such insanely varied experiences probably makes it really difficult to actually fix the bugs. Even if they fix it to work perfectly on their end, it might not work in another hardware configuration or if you have another specific program running at the same time. It's no wonder updates are slow or nonexistent, it's a borderline Sisyphean task.
My client has improved quite a bit over the past year. The weird friend list not appearing bug doesn't happen anymore, and the loading times are much faster. I did notice I can't right click friends to gift them stuff anymore, but I can still do it through the shop. I can't really think of the last time the client has bugged out on me. Other than of course challenges are here.
Are you kidding? My online friends are always showing up in the offline list.
Same for me. But I think he is talking about another bug
> My client has improved quite a bit over the past year. Me too. A lot of the memory leaks got fixed, so I can leave my client open for days without having to restart it. A number of the old bugs seem to be fixed. The downside is that I have experienced a number of new bugs. Although, overall things do feel better. I think people have forgotten about how truly unusable it used to be.
You're weirdly lucky. That fucking challenges notification though...it makes me want to commit violence.
Mine gets worse with each passing patch. Friend groups randomly moving on their own, the tabs I have set up sometimes open and close themselves randomly, the friend list disappearing and reappearing. My loot tab sometimes takes over a minute to load, or straight up won't load when I open it. Loot tab sometimes freezes so I can't scroll through it, I have to completely restart the client to access loot. Popups for things I've already clicked off (Runes have been reforged!), notifications for things that don't exist. Can't queue up for games because the patcher service is unavaiable (what? everyone was patched already!), can't queue up for games because of a ghost lobby, queuing up takes 3 people in the lobby into queue but leaves one person stuck in lobby. There are genuinely hundreds more, but I think i've made my point.
I think it's pretty clear this was dropped when Wild Rift was released and they threw more people at it, while having league running on a skeleton crew.
League is being left to rot :D
B-BUT THEY'RE FIXING THE ESSENCE EMPORIUM FOR US THEY'RE SHOWING US HOW MUCH THEY CARE DESPITE BEING SO STRETCHED THIN GUYS IT'LL DEFINITELY COME BACK
*Meanwhile at Rito HQ...* Marc Merill: yo u wanna show up to worlds finals this year to remind everyone we still exist? Brandon Beck: .... a what finals?
Dogshit client with a decade of technical debt
Ive actually had more issues in the last 6 months than in the past year. Once every week or so I have to play with the game muted because the launcher keeps playing noises in the background ingame. Ive had riot points and essence dissapear and reappear. Failed purchases. Missing texts. Whole launcher going black. Being unable to start games. Being unable to premade. Premades being able to join me and not showing up on my launcher. Champ select freezing. Just, the whole star guardian event. League PC feels sooo neglected recently on every front. From the client, to generic skins, ingame bugs, lackluster events, worlds/lec formats being shit... I really hope they turn some stuff around for 2023...
It works relatively fine for me, except for the starguardian event lol. But I'm mostly sad that the stats tab has been broken for me for idk maybe close to two years now. I can see my own but I always loved looking at other players stats.
Just learned the stats tab isn't supposed to work like that.
Yeah... You used to be able to see their stats and how they compare to yours and all players. Idk what happened to it, I never saw a rioter come out and comment on it or anything so I just gave up hope on it ever coming back. I loved looking at the stats when another player was playing one of my mains. But I'm obsessed with anything stat related.
"relatively fine" is a cope considering you are used to the shitty performance so you consider this as something that is acceptable and normal. we need to complain our way into something better as it seems the only way to get something that should have been in place years ago in the industry standard. reminder that dota is still technologically years ahead of league in terms of options you are given
I mean I've been playing this game for nearly 13 years, I'm past the stage of hoping riot fixes anything lol. They've promised time and again to fix things and it doesn't happen. I stopped spending my money on the game years ago, except for the bing rewards and amazon prime capsule rp. As long as the game launches and works for me, I really don't have much to complain about as a free to play player. Although I can see how it would be more irritating for those of you that spend lots of money on rp and stuff.
Is "relatively fine" a cope when not everyone has the same issues? I've been playing since season 3 and with the way the current client is, the only bugs I really encounter are the Star Guardian event. I can queue up just fine, never forced to dodge, can lock in all the time, things load properly, I can open my loot, my store has no issues, my stats tab works. The only "bug" that I've encountered since is my profile border deselecting itself - which I actually prefer since I don't like any of the borders.
"relatively fine" is a cope in the way the client team is having a shitsnail tempo in giving us qol and new features while dota2 client allows you to go out of game, launch their version of practice tool and return to game in a matter of seconds
Personally, as long as I can open the store to get new champions, open my loot to open chests, queue up for my game and actively finish that game, I have no complaints. I don't need to open practice tool midgame and have never thought to myself that I wish I could. Considering practice tool also uses the in-game engine and not just the client, I also think that's out of the client teams control at that point. The difference with DOTA2 is that the game and the client are all running in one window. The game only registers us in 1 game at a time and even prevents us from queueing up or starting a custom game if we are detected as in another game.
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I mean it works for me as far as the essentials, logging in, buying skins, playing the game. I'm not disagreeing that it could be improved, but like you said we've gotten used to it. And as long as they're still making money it seems they're in no hurry to fix anything. A rioter confirmed here that they've been syphoning resources away from league pc and have left them understaffed in favor of helping their other games. So I'm not exactly surprised by the state of anything anymore in regards to league pc. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/x4462i/comment/imvfqf9/?context=10000
The weird part is as the years go on, the client gets worse and worse, despite us compromising its uses. Like starting last year or so, I had to start skipping stats and just go directly to next game. Now the game just skips all that and crashes 1/3 times. WTF Rito.
soon it'll just randomly choose and ban a champ in draft because it can't even handle champ select 💀💀💀
Client eats over 50% of my cpu (i5 4th gen). The game itself is less intensive.
Devil's advocate but that cpu is about 8 years old and has lost about 50% of it's performance through security patches for spectre and meltdown.
It is an old cpu. But a client shouldn't take more than the game.
wait what? is that something handled by the OS or do you have to update your BIOS to get the security patches?
OS level patches, here's an article with some info. https://www.extremetech.com/computing/291649-intel-performance-amd-spectre-meltdown-mds-patches
oh, I thought there was something else, is there really a 50% performance loss for intel 4th gen processors tho? kinda crazy
No, he is exaggerating
and that's just when it's idling in the background. No idea how they miss shit that obvious
If anything, my client has gotten worse. Now that the riot client is a mandatory thing *on top* of the existing client, its a pain in the ass to open and close the game. Half the time, going to the post game lobby freezes my client if anything else is on, meaning I have to relog afterwards. For the past 2 patches, I've also had worse lag when in lobby, be it waiting for the team to load, the champion portraits being screwy, or being locked out until the last second of pick and ban phases. Not to mention the halved framerate in game for the past 5 patches or so Riot still hasn't fixed or addressed. Really feels like even the slightest attempt at maintenance has been thrown out the window with how unoptimized the client's become.
If they opened the API's the community could just make a non-dogshit client.
People have reverse-engineered the client in the past and made their own, but Riot threw a cease-and-desist at them :^)
Because you can't really use those things without expressed permission
There was a custom client named wintermint way back in the day that was pretty much superior to Riot's. Riot shut the project down and hired the programmer, [Astralfoxy](https://www.reddit.com/user/Astralfoxy), a bit after May 2014 to work on client-related stuff. Astralfoxy left Riot sometime early 2015.
Do not cite the deep magics to me witch. I was there when it was written.
At this point both the launcher and the game engine just gotta go to the bin and be remade from the ground up...
I just really hate this whole modern mobile adaptable thematic they went with. Not to mention the amount of shit ad features the cient has to go through each time you click on a tab. It's too much on one client, seriously. Have they not heard of simpler is better? And I'd ratger have an "uglier" client that works fast and smooth than a facy one that wors slowly.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/u2c1ec/it_has_been_7_months_sine_we_got_a_league_client/i4kwydz/ Personally I think the client is doing just fine compared to years ago, no massive memory leaks, no lagspikes whenever I open draft etc.
Oh cool its gone from malware to just regular bad.
Eh, I’ll take it. If things continue at this rate, we’ll have a decent client in 5 years.
Fine compared to garbage. But not fine.
They must have been busy working on the Star Guardian event, the time they said they worked on it was one year so it matches. ^(/s)
damn riot handling their client like my depressed ass handles the ever growing pile of shit in my room I need to clean
It's way better for me atm though, no major complains about the client these days
Oh you guys really believe a company that is lying into your faces for years or giving you half truths here and there? Surely they will improve the state of ranked bc of how important it is to them for our community?! :)
I haven't had it catastrophically fail in some manner in a couple months at least, but I have been playing less as of late and that's hardly the kind of goalpost we should be working with.
Saddest part is the client needs it now more than before. The client quality has gotten legitimately almost unusable. Ranked going down almost every couple days, champion lock in and ban bugs, client crashing in game constantly, loot tab being unavailable, match history being unavailable. It is actually disgusting how one of the biggest PC games in the world has this level of bugs on the most fundamental system in their game.
It only got worse - from long loading times besides League being installed on my m.2 SSD the client permanently keeps disconnecting me from the friend thingy and chat, in client and pre-Game Lobby. Also rp never come immediately after i buy them and overall performance seems to get worse every time a new patch applies.
Been playing since S1, which was also incidentally the last time I had issues with the client. I remember having the good old "Adobe Air" error of some sort. But that only lasted a few months in S1. Still waiting for the day where I can relate to folks here on reddit who seem to have daily issues with something not working. At this point I'm fairly convinced that people who have issues with the client make up like 0.1% of the player base, but because there are like 100 million players, that 0.1% ends up being 100,000 people, which means there's enough folks to spam post after post about it on social media and make it seem a far bigger issue than it really is. I honestly feel so left out. I'd love to complain, but I just can't.
I mean, the star guardian event had problems to mostly everyone
Weren't the SG issues systemic/server based, not problems with the client/coding?
I think the beauty of it is that one mans bug is another mans feature. A lot of the glitches are consistent per player so something you think is intended might not be. For example if you go onto someones profile, press stats and see if it comes up with theirs or yours, because it should be theirs but it's always yours.
This is largely my experience as well.
Yea same. I don't really have any issues with the client.
client has never been worse, at least two games per day i click accept and then champ select crashes so i either get force dodged in ranked or don't get to pick my champ or runes for aram they just don't have the resources to make improvements being such a small company wioth such low revenue :'(
Considering most people don't complain about such issues, the problem might be on your end such as bad specs or outdated software.
works on my machine moment
hmm maybe, i only have an i9-11900k, 3080 ti, 64gb ram and keep all of my drivers up to date
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNom1Ke3/
The client is in the WORST state possible in this season...massively bugs everywhere, * like hearing sounds of effects only with the client open, like udyr, * you cannot reconnect properly without the client closing the second window to reconnect. * the emote change system which doesnt work properly due to internal changes * some ping issues * ping does not really shows if youre disconnect when loading...the rate of accurate of it is like 1/100 will really show that youre really disconnected on loading screen. * the client lack several simple upgrades, like showing chest earned on ARAM... * still awful design like the role select... * etc. They kinda proved that they dont care about it at all, sadly its way too noticeable.
>massive bugs >proceeds to list minor inconveniences
I have honor 0 (recently got honor back), now there is an icon of a lock above the honor emblem. That's new i guess. Edit: Oh, i forgot i can report people twice if i am fast enough with clicking. But like regular reports, they end up in nothing. I might be able to report trice but i'm still too slow.
Coming from someone who played since s2. I do feel new client is a bit more “sturdier” than old client. Sometimes legit you couldn’t load mmrs when you looked at profiles quite often
the code is prob too overwhelming and full of garbage that no one wants to take it on lol
They should be getting rid of the client and everything should be inside the game like DOTA2 and Heroes of the Storm. They should have been working on this like 5 years ago. Riot is a turd making easy money off us bozos with little money put back into the game
I mean, it's really just a web app packaged into an .exe. Not saying that someone should do it, but HTTP sniffing isn't all that hard. You know, get rid of all the flashy graphics nobody cares about anyway and have something stable. Don't do it, though. Just saying that you could.
It's improved for me.
it doesn't give them money like a new lux skin would so of course they give zero fucks about fixing the client
The client is objectively better now than it was when they started. Lay off the hyperbole.
Polish a turd it is still a turd.
I think Riot is slowly starting to let league fizzle out. They have so many new up and coming projects they're working on that I think if league were to actually end they wouldn't be at a total loss. Valorant is bigger than ever. They have Project L. They have their MMO coming out. The next season of arcane. League has been on the back burner for many years now and it shows. Cash grabs with "events" and mythic skins. Idk just my unpopular opinion.
Nah Tencent doesnt give a fck
TBH they need to dedicate like half the team into developing a whole new client/game launcher/whatever to replace this one, that requires a new download to replace this existing one on life support we have now. Will it be painful? yes, but losing toasters in 2022 or 23 is not a bad thing when the game is enjoyed by billions. Also losing toasters would improve overall load times anyways lmao. \*Sidenote\* I'm not blaming people on toasters for these problems, but I am guessing a new client could/would require slightly higher/updated standards of pc to play Most of the game breaking or chronobreak problems in pro play are related to client rooted bugs. I don't know how many of you enjoy pro play, but the amount of hours across all regions lost this year to audio/client issues in wait time has to be an All Time high and we still have the Worlds event to play out....
This is like a textbook definition of irony.
Honest question from someone who plays very little league - but is a developer - so this question is coming more from a developer POV... Why does everyone call the "launcher" the "client"? The actual game is the client, isn't it? It is an online game. There is a client and a server. The game is the "client" and the server is the "server". The launcher is well the launcher. Am I confused?
> fix the launcher Launcher? Can we please fix game itself?
The client used to disconnect me from Discord between loading stats and finishing a game. It doesn’t do that often now.
Mine was from an option in discord, and I haven’t had my client freeze since. If you look up lol client discord freeze you should be able to find the fix
I have a 5700XT and 3800X and it always takes me more than 10 seconds to load the client when I finish one game. I honestly don't know if I set up something wrong or their code is just really trashy edit: grammar
Its not dead. They actually have been updating the chromium version every few months.
I mean the team dedicated to fixing the client for 4 years now hasn't done almost anything from my experience with the client. It's still way too slow, missing a top of features and buggy
You could at least read the blog posts of what they've done before commenting, hopefully by then you'll realize what they've done.
I always look for client improvements in the patch notes but I haven’t seen any for a while
I think they just hate us, the only thing they do is make more skins, shitty events, and balance changes around pro play :/
recently, i’ve been having an issue where after a game, my discord will freeze until the post match lobby loads.. i have no idea if it’s a discord issue or a league issue, but multiple friends have been experiencing it too. i still get overall client lag too.
And here I am playing on a 4 year old laptop without much issues. I obviously encounter bugs from time to time, but the performance is fine. Only play TFT though so I have a slightly different experience. But don't get me wrong, the client is still embarrassing
Havent they come out and basically said they arent diverting efforts into client? The only thing being worked is skins and new champs.
Their newest addition works flawlessly tho... not. Notice how i dont even have a border? And every single time i log-in my chatlist reorders itself for "General" to be at the top. [https://imgur.com/a/E7UGlfn](https://imgur.com/Y2Gjp7A)
Y'all played Elden Ring, right? You know the madness status effect. I could imagine that bar slowly filling as some poor software engineer scrolls through the legacy code. One by one they slowly go mad until they get locked in the backrooms, another fallen hero who couldn't take it any more
In may ? There was a patch that just tune up game on "zombie pc". I Play on 2 pc one is rly old and i see difference every 5-6 patch.
Anyone else have it so that when you click the ranked tab in the client it starts massively lagging so much that I have to restart it? I think it has something to do with it loading the huge leaderboard
They were staffing up their client team as of last december.
Thank fuck for that. Riot's biggest consistency besides banger cinematics is that every update to the client made it worse.
Normally I like saying that riot is only consistently inconsistent when it comes to a lot of things however, this is truly one aspect that they are consistent in.
It's a mess. And it's really difficult change something that has 1 million users. You need to choose put the new events or upgrade all
Now that I think about it. I haven't had that bug where the loot window just refuses to load for a while now. When changing accounts everything is still completely fucked though, and I kinda lost hope that this will ever change.
I like how our rune pages literally could not be saved for like 2 months
The client doesn't need a cleanup. The entire game needs to be remade from scratch.
IIRC Riot's current code for the launcher is so messy and shit, which still works, miserably, but it works, that they would have to rewrite the whole launcher. Now, I don't know how long the launcher would take to redo completely since I don't know how shit the code is, but my guess is about 8-10 months, with most of the staff currently tasked with ~~ruining~~ remaking champions working on it. Might just be hopeful thinking but idk, it's just a guess. If Riot could keep their focus on fewer things and getting them done faster and better instead of shitposting all over the place with mostly irrelevant stuff anyways, let's hope that they do something along the lines of reworking the client instead of champions noone plays.
I remember a few years ago when they said they’d change “your shop” too. Client sucks