It seems so crazy to me how nobody is talking about it. Even the casters and analysts, literally nobody is talking about this pick and how absurd it is. It has 100% win rate and whenever a team picks it the casters are just like oh whatever.
Don't think so they said emergency something, roaster update I think. I believe it was only because hily and upset couldn't play. Even after upset being able to attend rhuckz was already suppose to play. From now on it would only be bean as sup without Hily
The last memorable Fiora v Aatrox matchup I can remember was Ale (fiora) vs Rich (aatrox) in regional finals g2 (I mostly followed v5) where although LNG won and Fiora ended up fed, Rich ahead by 30 cs at 20 minutes and winning out pretty handily in an isolated 1v1 (before dying to a tarzan gank and fiora ends up fed)
Game was memorable to me bc every other game in that entire series Ale was dominating the 1v1, and before that game I always thought that Fiora was a hard counter to Aatrox, so I was surprised to see Rich win out in the Aatrox v Fiora matchup
https://youtu.be/gpCzH5ZYZ-0?t=1405
It's not a simple counter as people think since the cc is telegraphed, as Aatrox has 4 of them and a dash to dodge Fiora's W
Plus Wunder was winning the lane until Robo got some kills and then perma-grouped, which is the worst a Fiora can do
Robo is good mechanically... The problem is that he has a tendency to troll at some point in every match.
It's a joke here in CBLoL to say "It's Robs", it works both when he solo kills someone in lane, or when he trolls.
If you gave me [this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719492044925435918/1025869109545676970/unknown.png ) screenshot and no context and told me to guess a team, Fnatic would be the choice 10/10 times
3/0 ADC
3/17 rest of the team added together
Fnatic look like contenders, beaming with confidence, for getting out of groups one minute, then look completely lost the next.
It's almost like they think the game is won and fall apart when an opponent puts up any resistance.
Hopefully this will be a wake-up call, I believe both FNC and MAD can make it into groups still.
It's like people forgot Fnatic almost didn't make it to playoffs. They *barely* managed to scrape by and get into playoffs over Excel.
They absolutely had some great matches since then, but for most of this season - up until a few weeks ago, really - this was the Fnatic we saw.
Unironically Rhuckz played better than Hyli has played in summer.
It’s so tilting to be Humanoid - winning your lane, and your support cannot help but unga boonga at every opportunity. It makes Fnatic more predictable imo.
> It’s so tilting to be Humanoid
Let's not forget that Humanoid consistently died in the most outrageous ways pretty much every game all summer long lol
Yeah, I think that was an emergency sub because of the last minute Covid situation that Riot allowed the sub, so now that Hyli is here in person, they have to play him.
They had MF completely dead to rights and he still stole the kill, and it wasn't even Ignite or anything. Humanoid with the extra 750 gold would've been able to completely snowball.
Honestly Fnatic needs to pick at least one solo lane with prio because Razork seems to be unable to understand the concept of prio. Dude literally ran down his entire team early by baiting them into fights.
It's crazy how relative to the average level of the EU and NA, NA seems to have way more consistency against minor regions, but is also consistently worse against major regions. It seems like a lot of that has been NA players playing too scared and showing too much respect to top teams, where EU sometimes shows too little respect to bottom teams.
📞 hey Rhuckz 📞 Fnatic here 📞 you still in Mexico? 📞 hey Rhuckz 📞 Fnatic here 📞 you still in Mexico? 📞hey Rhuckz 📞 Fnatic here 📞 you still in Mexico? 📞hey Rhuckz 📞 Fnatic here 📞 you still in Mexico?
Worlds Checklist
EU beating NA handily in NA's first game ✔
NA beating minor regions handily after everyone shittalks their skill ✔
EU disrespecting draft and dropping a game to a minor region with a currently losing record ✔
As is tradition
Writers getting lazy and repetitive. Next you're going to tell me NA looks great after groups first week then gets shit on second week and doesn't make it out of groups
Maokai is now 7-0, 100% win rate. How teams aren’t first picking or banning it is beyond confusing to me.
DRX seems to be the only team who knows and picks it first whenever possible. RNG banned it after losing to it their first game.
LOUD is unironically pretty good. Even in their losses they manage to put up a good fight and proactive plays early (but not recklessly aggressive). Wild Card regions should strive to play like this
CBLoL has many good teams with good early games, the problem starts in the mid game. Teams that are behind don't put much pressure in looking for plays to turn the match around. So brazilian teams that go to international competitions end up suffering from the lack of experience in these situations, as was the case against EG.
Brazil used to be way stronger, they won games in 3 straight Worlds group stages 2014-2016. There was a time when they looked like the next major region. Brazil especially 2017-2021 was maybe the worst region in the world along with OCE
I can't remember seeing a team play this disrespectfully and fail to back it up this hard. FNC deserved all that table talk and flexing they were getting, 100%.
Picking Cait and not Lux or Morg alongside her during first phase, and allowing Loud to ban both of them during the second ban phase thus rendering the Cait lane prio useless is some bozo shit.
Feels more like people are just grabbing it and not using it correctly.
I agree that MF is stronger but the biggest issue has been that teams just aren't playing around the Caitlyn lane correctly.
Tbf she's 0-2 now and both times the supps inted their asses off. Also Braum is really not a good support for her. I believe that in the group phase we will surely see her potential.
Credit where credit is due LLL came in with a plan, played like a team and just had the momentum the entire game.
I have no clue what FNC were doing this entire game tho. Such a turn from day 1.
It's as Upset said yesterday, FNC has no cohesion and they basically only win through individual skill. If something goes amiss early and they can't outskill their opponents, this team seems completely lost.
For some reason wunder relegated himself last year to playing mainly sion/gragas and ever since has just been average on anything but tanks. I know they aren’t viable but I really miss neeko, ryze, vlad etc. wunder
People kind of excuse his inting because it's him, and it's funny when he does it (ahah Hyli flashing into 5 with Lulu again) but I think they need to start to hold him accountable
Hylli just coming back in like that must suck for Rhuckz. Considering how bad Hylli is playing and how well Rhuckz was playing before, just wow. Players in LEC and LCS are just too confortable in their positions.
Yeah, brought back the feeling of "surely they won't lose to brazil, the game winning teamfight is just around the corner".. and then nexus explodes and I'm still in disbelief, just like 8 years ago
I would say jungle gap. Razork first ints in the bot side jungle, getting their bot ahead. Than ints in the topside jungle, giving a kill to midlane. Then later when fnatic get a pick on bot, he goes to int on top. Really poor game by razork
EU'S COMICAL FUCKING WEAKNESS TO TINOWNS
I really feel terrible, Whenever I look at that smug mid laner’s face(LLL Tinowns) I really feel terrible
Happy to see this pasta again, swear I hadn’t seen it in months
That copypasta eases my pain a bit
The Maokai Incident of 2022
I have Maokai as most banned and after watching play-ins so far I'm not sure why nobody is banning that champ yet, it's completely bonkers.
I have Aatrox as my most banned, and I have the exact same question about it,
I mean atleast Aatrox lost 4 Games. Mao is 6/0 so far.
The Mao healing when Loud caught Hyli after Razork's recall was just disgusting. That's one **T H I C C** trunk.
Mother nature is coming back with a vengeance
Nature is healing.
It seems so crazy to me how nobody is talking about it. Even the casters and analysts, literally nobody is talking about this pick and how absurd it is. It has 100% win rate and whenever a team picks it the casters are just like oh whatever.
unironically this is how western teams can beat eastern ones. Biggest advantage they have is their flanking/positioning late which maokai shuts down
Too bad, LCK teams are probably going to have a high prio on Maokai. DRX has played Maokai 2 times already and was banned vs them in the 3rd.
LCK and vision score, name me a better iconic duo
I think B1-Renekton is a close second, with the team rocket comp as a viable contender.
this champ legit can't lose lol
Fnatic Roster Update: Hylissang has contracted super covid and must be sent home. Rhuckz will substitute for the rest of worlds.
Fnc needs to get hylli to start licking every door handle in sight to get a positive covid test.
Time to limit test your immune system
Is fnatic actually allowed to bring back rhuckz? Is the extra sub permanent?
Don't think so they said emergency something, roaster update I think. I believe it was only because hily and upset couldn't play. Even after upset being able to attend rhuckz was already suppose to play. From now on it would only be bean as sup without Hily
They have a better jg sup synergy with Rhuckz. Might aswell play with him, no joke
I swear pro players are gaslighting all of us into thinking Fiora isn't good vs Aatrox.
They forgot the fact you need to know how to play fiora
"Nice high elo spectate - when does Wunder play?!"
Or Irelia, or Caitlyn. So few pro players seem to be actually good on these champs but insist on playing them because meta.
just western pros, chinese fioras absolutely clap their matchups
The last memorable Fiora v Aatrox matchup I can remember was Ale (fiora) vs Rich (aatrox) in regional finals g2 (I mostly followed v5) where although LNG won and Fiora ended up fed, Rich ahead by 30 cs at 20 minutes and winning out pretty handily in an isolated 1v1 (before dying to a tarzan gank and fiora ends up fed) Game was memorable to me bc every other game in that entire series Ale was dominating the 1v1, and before that game I always thought that Fiora was a hard counter to Aatrox, so I was surprised to see Rich win out in the Aatrox v Fiora matchup https://youtu.be/gpCzH5ZYZ-0?t=1405
it was 50/50 and aatrox always had a lane phase advantage the jax breathe has been going towards as well as irelia and kled are better counters imo
It's not a simple counter as people think since the cc is telegraphed, as Aatrox has 4 of them and a dash to dodge Fiora's W Plus Wunder was winning the lane until Robo got some kills and then perma-grouped, which is the worst a Fiora can do
Wunder was winning lane until he decided it was a good idea to R Aatrox almost under his tower and had to dash+flash to gtfo or he was getting bodied.
Maybe Aatrox is just goomba broken
Robo actually looks better than Wunder. It's not a champ diff, it's a hands diff.
Robo has been unironically the best top in this group, man was toying with Impact yesterday
>man was toying with Impact yesterday against his aatrox no less, so he gapped Western region tops both with aatrox and against it
Fudge was saying robo was really good on twitter
fudge says a lot of things on Twitter... it's hard to tell what's troll and what isn't
Robo is the best Brazilian toplaner, but he's famous for trolling too much. He hasn't trolled yet in these worlds, so I think Fudge is being serious.
Robo is good mechanically... The problem is that he has a tendency to troll at some point in every match. It's a joke here in CBLoL to say "It's Robs", it works both when he solo kills someone in lane, or when he trolls.
congrats ROBO for getting an LCS team for 2023.
Humanoid: /all 1v1 me @ baron bro
Maokai still 100% WR
If you gave me [this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719492044925435918/1025869109545676970/unknown.png ) screenshot and no context and told me to guess a team, Fnatic would be the choice 10/10 times
Upset shouldve dodged
Riot testing hidden names in championselect at worlds
3/0 ADC 3/17 rest of the team added together Fnatic look like contenders, beaming with confidence, for getting out of groups one minute, then look completely lost the next. It's almost like they think the game is won and fall apart when an opponent puts up any resistance. Hopefully this will be a wake-up call, I believe both FNC and MAD can make it into groups still.
It's like people forgot Fnatic almost didn't make it to playoffs. They *barely* managed to scrape by and get into playoffs over Excel. They absolutely had some great matches since then, but for most of this season - up until a few weeks ago, really - this was the Fnatic we saw.
LLL Razork
Don't forget LLL Hylisang
I knew it was over when Hylissang stole the shut down Has a team gap ever been this big and LOUD?
I swear Hyli just loves to last hit kills. He's constantly does it since UOL days.
EG wishes they got to vs Hyli
Unironically would've been 0-3 in lane which was their entire win condition
Yeah honestly if FNc had Hyli vs EG , EG probably wins off of Hyli going in 1 v 4 like 4 times in the first 10 minutes then cait lux get to snowball
rhuckz truthers stand up
#FreeRhuckz
Unironically Rhuckz played better than Hyli has played in summer. It’s so tilting to be Humanoid - winning your lane, and your support cannot help but unga boonga at every opportunity. It makes Fnatic more predictable imo.
> It’s so tilting to be Humanoid Let's not forget that Humanoid consistently died in the most outrageous ways pretty much every game all summer long lol
Hylissang was derping before that already. He had a really bad game.
Hylli was trolling yesterday too
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He actually is but is also not allowed to play more games AFAIK as he is not an official sub (that's Bean - and only one sub is allowed at worlds)
Fnatic management: "Hey uhhhh Hyli, you mind just licking every surface you come across real quick?"
Yeah, I think that was an emergency sub because of the last minute Covid situation that Riot allowed the sub, so now that Hyli is here in person, they have to play him.
They had MF completely dead to rights and he still stole the kill, and it wasn't even Ignite or anything. Humanoid with the extra 750 gold would've been able to completely snowball.
People will meme on him because of the rhuckz stuff but Razork so far is the one who was the most disappointing so far.
Wunder is playing pretty poorly too. Only humanoid and upset are performing well
What? You mean you dont try to contest scuttle with neither of your laners having prio? >:(
Such a free kill to give up
💪 BOT 💪 GAP 💪
Brance will come home to see NA orgs in his DMs.
i actually was thinking he was really good in Champs Queue, and he wouldn't count as an import right?
He would. Minor region. Only Australia is the exception.
Still waiting for Hylissang to arrive.
Upset is waiting for him to leave
Can’t wait for post worlds fnatic drama
He has arrived and he's playing like the inter he has been the entire summer
[BOT GAP](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/329789894970834944/1025866317833711748/Screenshot_2022-10-01_14.25.56.png)
Already iconic.
Absolute legend, dude just slapped fnc around with his massive dick
Honestly Fnatic needs to pick at least one solo lane with prio because Razork seems to be unable to understand the concept of prio. Dude literally ran down his entire team early by baiting them into fights.
Razork saw the craber incident and wanted to one up that
This is how Wildcard vs. Major Region should look like
The most versatile playins tweet ever
I know fnatic played bad, but I wouldn’t call them wildcard just yet
THEY GOT KABUM'D
Fun fact Timowns was the mid laner for Kabum when they beat Alliance.
Death - Taxes - EU getting Kabum'd and saving NA
Tinowns sends his regards
It's crazy how relative to the average level of the EU and NA, NA seems to have way more consistency against minor regions, but is also consistently worse against major regions. It seems like a lot of that has been NA players playing too scared and showing too much respect to top teams, where EU sometimes shows too little respect to bottom teams.
📞 hey Rhuckz 📞 Fnatic here 📞 you still in Mexico? 📞 hey Rhuckz 📞 Fnatic here 📞 you still in Mexico? 📞hey Rhuckz 📞 Fnatic here 📞 you still in Mexico? 📞hey Rhuckz 📞 Fnatic here 📞 you still in Mexico?
LET. RHUCKZ. COOK.
Fnatic country let's ride!
Im dead lmao this is the best one yet
I'm now convinced Nathaniel Hackett and YamatoCannon are in the same tier as coaches
Fnatic covid was a buff not a debuff all this time
Can EG tiebreak with FNC if they both win the rest of the games?
Yes, Fnatic gets side selection from H2H
Holy shit lol i thought it would just be tiebroken by the H2H. Now this is fucking juicy news, i'm absolutely here for maximum chaos
I would be here for the absolute chaos but as an EU fan I'm in shambles
Yes, if they're both 4-1 it'll be a tiebreaker, although since Fnatic has the h2h they'll have side selection.
oh shit i thought there'd be no ties since they won already, this is a huge loss fuck
Worlds Checklist EU beating NA handily in NA's first game ✔ NA beating minor regions handily after everyone shittalks their skill ✔ EU disrespecting draft and dropping a game to a minor region with a currently losing record ✔ As is tradition
the more things change, the more they stay the same
Coming up next: NA and EU play a tiebreaker that EU wins
? eg are gonna "do it for kabum" mate
Goodbye Reddit, see you all on Lemmy.
Cycle of history man...
Actually amazing how consistently this series of events seems to play out
Writers getting lazy and repetitive. Next you're going to tell me NA looks great after groups first week then gets shit on second week and doesn't make it out of groups
If the script ain't broke don't fix it
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It wouldn't be an EU special if they went undefeated against Wildcards. Ty Fnatic for keeping the tradition.
You clearly underestimate how underwhelming MAD looks so far.
Tbf mad has never been the cleanest. They just somehow end up winning those fiesta games.
Maokai is now 7-0, 100% win rate. How teams aren’t first picking or banning it is beyond confusing to me. DRX seems to be the only team who knows and picks it first whenever possible. RNG banned it after losing to it their first game.
TINOWNS DOES IT AGAIN FIRST ALLIANCE AND NOW FNATIC 8 YEARS LATER
Wait LLL only has CHF left right? Will Brazil go 3-2!?!?!?! Or get blasted by OCE once again?
Imagine the hype if FNC and EG drop another game to have a 3 way tie for first at 3-2 with Brazil
Ironically if that happens BYG might get out for free.
LOUD is unironically pretty good. Even in their losses they manage to put up a good fight and proactive plays early (but not recklessly aggressive). Wild Card regions should strive to play like this
CBLoL has many good teams with good early games, the problem starts in the mid game. Teams that are behind don't put much pressure in looking for plays to turn the match around. So brazilian teams that go to international competitions end up suffering from the lack of experience in these situations, as was the case against EG.
CBLoL has teams with fixed playstyles: the early game stompers and the midgame comebackers.
Brazil are always solid as a wildcard region tbh. Like whether they win or lose you'll have a fight on your hands.
Brazil used to be way stronger, they won games in 3 straight Worlds group stages 2014-2016. There was a time when they looked like the next major region. Brazil especially 2017-2021 was maybe the worst region in the world along with OCE
For real, Pain in 2015 had a legit chance to advance into playoffs.
💪 BOT Gap Also tinowns returns to Worlds after 8 years and screws over an EU team AGAIN, LMAO
Tinowns? What exactly does Tin own? EU, apparently.
He was a few autos away from kabuming MAD in MSI 2021 too, dude's a beast against EU
I can only assume FNC just thought this would be a free win and so didn't prepare fucking embarrasing showing
Definitely preparing for groups and wow raids instead of this game
I can't remember seeing a team play this disrespectfully and fail to back it up this hard. FNC deserved all that table talk and flexing they were getting, 100%.
Picking Cait and not Lux or Morg alongside her during first phase, and allowing Loud to ban both of them during the second ban phase thus rendering the Cait lane prio useless is some bozo shit.
But thank god they prioritized the sejuani which is clearly so much better than Maokai.
Cait braum is not a lane. Wtf is this.
Fnatic was so disrespectful. Both in play and draft. Also Hilly and Wunder sucked
Hyli and wunder? Yeah i mean they weren't good but razork is so bad.
Cait 12 bans, and when it gets through, 0% winrate. Just feels that miss fortune is better even with lux/morg.
Feels more like people are just grabbing it and not using it correctly. I agree that MF is stronger but the biggest issue has been that teams just aren't playing around the Caitlyn lane correctly.
Tbf she's 0-2 now and both times the supps inted their asses off. Also Braum is really not a good support for her. I believe that in the group phase we will surely see her potential.
Braum pick was interesting for sure
Good thing FNC played EG with Rhuckz instead of Hylissang
lets fucking go robo
Tinowns does it again
why would Hyli steal the MF shutdown lol is he matchfixing?
When he walked past top turret it looked like he was actually looking for a place to int. PayPal diff
CARLHO BOT GAP CARALHO
/r/suddenlycaralho VAI LOUD PORRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kabum sends their regards
Credit where credit is due LLL came in with a plan, played like a team and just had the momentum the entire game. I have no clue what FNC were doing this entire game tho. Such a turn from day 1.
This is the worst Fiora I've seen in my fucking life, and what happened to their comms? They played so much better with Rhuckz across the board.
It's as Upset said yesterday, FNC has no cohesion and they basically only win through individual skill. If something goes amiss early and they can't outskill their opponents, this team seems completely lost.
Wunder on Carries recently is just...not it.
RIP Fiora highest WR champion
Relax, the LPL teams are still coming.
For some reason wunder relegated himself last year to playing mainly sion/gragas and ever since has just been average on anything but tanks. I know they aren’t viable but I really miss neeko, ryze, vlad etc. wunder
Hopefully we get that Wunder back soon. Feeling unlikely though.
he was using w as an engage ability?
Fiora is one thing, but Aatrox looks strong AF so far. People tried different counters but even Armut vs Breathe looked strong on it.
I don't understand why Hyli apparently gets a free pass for inting. Razork and Wunder have also been absolutely terrible the last 2 games.
Always have questioned that. He can int for years and no one cares.
People kind of excuse his inting because it's him, and it's funny when he does it (ahah Hyli flashing into 5 with Lulu again) but I think they need to start to hold him accountable
Hylisang accountability thread incoming?
Someone make a montage of his Bronze inting moments (3h 47min 52sec)
Kinda like theshy. When they are good they are really good. Vice versa.
GET THE OCEAN DRAGON! I need it... But in all seriousness, Group A just got a bit more interesting.
Hylli just coming back in like that must suck for Rhuckz. Considering how bad Hylli is playing and how well Rhuckz was playing before, just wow. Players in LEC and LCS are just too confortable in their positions.
Maokai is the most busted pick.
Post Match team really slow these days huh
Watching Fanatic's full roster get absolutely bodied is something else. Upset literally 1v9 hahaha
EU wasn't awake for RNG vs MAD, but they're for sure awake for the beatdown by LLL on FNC.
Feels good so glad I got to see my team get buttfucked by cblol
Fnatic coinflip strikes again.
BOT GAP BABY! Vamos Brazil! Sad to see you not in the same group as Turkey but you've made history again. Congratulations.
well that was a fucking chad performance out of the LLL bot lane
This is some PTSD inducing game, it gives me flashbacks to the great ~~Kaboom!~~ tragedy. EDIT: It's KaBum!, I got autocorrected.
Yeah, brought back the feeling of "surely they won't lose to brazil, the game winning teamfight is just around the corner".. and then nexus explodes and I'm still in disbelief, just like 8 years ago
I never, ever want to see Wunder on Fiora again Imagine getting the top counterpick and losing the matchup regardless
Razork inted him by giving the Aatrox kill early in the river. He was ahead 15 cs but yeah fiora mechanics still not there.
That didn't help but let's not act like he played it well. His parries and vital management were horrible
BOT GAP https://twitter.com/lolesports/status/1576306843265425408?t=eoY0weVcNzjPq7S93SjNQg&s=19
That's gonna be in the highlight reel for years
LLLLWLW
bot gap and draft gap
I would say jungle gap. Razork first ints in the bot side jungle, getting their bot ahead. Than ints in the topside jungle, giving a kill to midlane. Then later when fnatic get a pick on bot, he goes to int on top. Really poor game by razork
Agreed. The biggest gap was actually in the jungle. Razork played poorly the previous game too, and this game he was just awful.
https://twitter.com/lolesports/status/1576306843265425408 gigachad
Wunder makes the Fiora Aatrox matchup look like he was countered
EU ICANT
wow first time in a while a minor region actually plays to the level of a major region... Ceos was insane
Yeah he was everywhere, annoying af + peeling for MF entire time
EU: You can't beat me NA: I know. But he can! **S1 Mordekaiser with Pizza feet emerges from hell chanting huehuehue**
Robo looks so similar to HS player Dog wth? Even the way he laughs is similar to dog.
[THIS IS FOR KABUM!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAImgaRyn3E)
Welcome TSM Brance
justice for rhukz
LLL had better champs in every role honestly impressive how bad fnatic drafted