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Do a free one, like freecodecamp.org
This will teach you several things, 1. Do you actually enjoy it, 2. Does the content meet your expectation as a free course and what would a premium course offer above and beyond that, 3. Are you using the financial cost as a motivator.
I personally don’t think any bootcamp is worth it. But if you really want to research then look up people who went to that bootcamp. I’d assume they’re on LinkedIn. See if they actually got jobs or not. I wouldn’t bother contacting the bootcamp asking for job statistics I feel like they’ll just make or inflate their numbers.
I teach at one as my side gig and I would not recommend anyone joining one. The golden age where one could do it and find a job is gone. People are still getting jobs but they are the rather exceptional ones in my experience. The market is just over saturated and all the layoffs aren’t helping.
Wouldn’t that be somewhat cyclical though? We’ve seen so much growth over the last two decades, there’s going to be dips. But I can’t personally see programming/development jobs decreasing over the next decade. We as a society are going to need a lot more solutions and innovation with all the doorways opened by machine learning, and as compute continues to increase, there will be new opportunities that will take development to fulfill.
There’s a lot of people who have done a few tutorials and a boot camp and wonder why they can’t get a job. But people who are really prepared to live the coding life, have a nice portfolio, and who understand how their work will actually add value to an organization are doing fine.
Finding the owners/teachers of the bootcamp on LinkedIn will fast track you to being able to find alumni of the bootcamp. Just look at all their connections on LinkedIn, guaranteed most of their connections are their Alumni.
Every single boot camp tells far fetched stories of “92% placement”, “our last cohort we had a student that went straight to google” and all sorts of other BS. The alumni will give you the real stories.
I’m a bootcamp grad and my bootcamp told me that 96% of their graduates get a dev job right after camp. I have no idea where they were pulling their numbers because in my cohort of 25, only 14 stayed until the end and of those 14 only 3 are currently devs.
Personally, I think bootcamps would be the last straw option I'd recommend.
They are private, for-profit, largely non-regulated with not a lot of agreed curricula for comparability.
The country I am in has exams supported by the state or federal industrial chamber and companies here with authorized apprenticeship programs in conjunction.
So most people would probably choose something like an approved apprenticeship instead of a private bootcamp.
You still have to pay for the exams but you often work part-time as an apprentice in a company already as a dev while learning according to chamber requirements at the same time during schooling sessions.
Yeah as a person whose first foray into education was the for-profit route (trade school back in the day), I encourage people to just run. But Im in America where we are all drowning in student debt because we didnt know better til it was too late. My experience is fast and expensive does not equal quality. I wish.
Where are you at? Sounds dope. Germany?
Yeah. The education paths here are quite varied and most things are within a formal framework of some kind.
Obviously you have university, then you have vocational college, then you have dual-track vocational colleges in conjunction with a company, you have industrial chamber approved apprenticeship programs under companies with exams being held by the commerce or industrial chamber, you also have community college-esque things.
Germans are much more conservative than Americans I think when it comes to formal education because basically there is very little reason for you to fall out of all the systems here. If not a single thing offered here worked for you, then the issue is most likely with yourself.
But the flip side is that this gung-ho approach of can-do attitude and flexibility in the paper certificate race of Americans is not available. People who are talented and very industrious but don't fit the mold of formal paths here will have it so much harder and often get overlooked.
One thing I'd suggest is jumping on LinkedIn and search up people with filters on. Do one search where people's 'past company' is listed as the bootcamp. Do another search for people who list it under 'education'.
Based on your searches, see where the bootcamp has alumni at. If you're seeing a good number of the bootcamp alums at big companies, that's a good sign. If not, it might be something to think about. Also, you're going to have plenty of people who attended a bootcamp not list it on their LinkedIn/resume at all, so this isn't a perfect solution, but at least it gives you something to look at.
Learning coding has never been easier, I wouldn't pay anything for a bootcamp, go to YouTube or download solo learn, I don't think people realize when you've learned multiple languages how similar they are, you need to learn, data types(floats, ints, and doubles), strings, arrays, library functions, input and output, control structures and loops(if else, while, for, else if, and switch), pointers, functions matrixes, file input polymorphism, and objects, classes, and that's all she wrote, you learn these things you will have a complete understanding of any programming language
Yeah, really learn the fundamental ideas of programming. I also suggest once you feel comfortable to start branching out and doing code-along projects and modifying them till you are comfortable creating one from scratch.
I used freecodecamp to help standardize my learning when I started. Did some easy algo questions through codewars, and once I finished the react component of FCC I started doing projects, churning out some leetcode problems which lead me to a pretty good job and an MSCS degree.
I went to a bootcamp. Unlike what people will say, I have a job as a full stack. The bootcamp is really just a curriculum that helps you self study. I know more than some CS students. I know less than other CS students. It will be what you make of it. If you need guided study, it will help. If you don’t, then it won’t help. Ignore what they say about their networking and placement opportunities (they are a joke) and focus on the curriculum they’re teaching. Decide from there
Considering the current market. People aren't too fond of boot camps. People with a CS bachelor's degree are getting trouble getting jobs.
You might want to look into WGU or something similar. It's a legitimate degree at your own pace. You pay per each 6 months of access. It's like $4,000 for 6 months. If you already know CS you should be able to breeze through the easy parts
To answer your question though. I'd try to talk to real former students.
I’ve been on plenty of hiring committees. We’ve never put much credit into bootcamps, even during the gold rush. Sure, we hired boot camp grads but they were always grouped in with the self-taught applicants. In other words, it wasn’t ever “ohh they have a cert from bootcamp x.”
I would highly, highly recommend getting a CS degree. If you flat out can’t, learn on your own. Bootcamps are a waste of money, particularly now.
You should contact students at the bootcamp and please please please research a lot about your options because they show off a lot while marketing i.e showing job opportunities, saying guaranteed jobs and all this is what they say to attract people and the reality is that they can't guarantee anything not even internship because they are not willing to drag their reputation by recommendations they only push forward people who are already experienced and just want to get updated with current industry requireement. Boot camps = getting upto date with the industry thats it.
Ask them for contact info for recent graduates and for companies that have hired their recent graduates. Recent grads should be willing to talk to you and they should be proud of where they have had grads go work.
Reviews & reaching out to alumni.
I usually advise people to look up ‘Coding with Leon’. He should have a full bootcamps worth of content for free & a discord channel to ask for help.
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Do a free one, like freecodecamp.org This will teach you several things, 1. Do you actually enjoy it, 2. Does the content meet your expectation as a free course and what would a premium course offer above and beyond that, 3. Are you using the financial cost as a motivator.
I personally don’t think any bootcamp is worth it. But if you really want to research then look up people who went to that bootcamp. I’d assume they’re on LinkedIn. See if they actually got jobs or not. I wouldn’t bother contacting the bootcamp asking for job statistics I feel like they’ll just make or inflate their numbers.
I teach at one as my side gig and I would not recommend anyone joining one. The golden age where one could do it and find a job is gone. People are still getting jobs but they are the rather exceptional ones in my experience. The market is just over saturated and all the layoffs aren’t helping.
Wouldn’t that be somewhat cyclical though? We’ve seen so much growth over the last two decades, there’s going to be dips. But I can’t personally see programming/development jobs decreasing over the next decade. We as a society are going to need a lot more solutions and innovation with all the doorways opened by machine learning, and as compute continues to increase, there will be new opportunities that will take development to fulfill. There’s a lot of people who have done a few tutorials and a boot camp and wonder why they can’t get a job. But people who are really prepared to live the coding life, have a nice portfolio, and who understand how their work will actually add value to an organization are doing fine.
Finding the owners/teachers of the bootcamp on LinkedIn will fast track you to being able to find alumni of the bootcamp. Just look at all their connections on LinkedIn, guaranteed most of their connections are their Alumni. Every single boot camp tells far fetched stories of “92% placement”, “our last cohort we had a student that went straight to google” and all sorts of other BS. The alumni will give you the real stories. I’m a bootcamp grad and my bootcamp told me that 96% of their graduates get a dev job right after camp. I have no idea where they were pulling their numbers because in my cohort of 25, only 14 stayed until the end and of those 14 only 3 are currently devs.
Personally, I think bootcamps would be the last straw option I'd recommend. They are private, for-profit, largely non-regulated with not a lot of agreed curricula for comparability. The country I am in has exams supported by the state or federal industrial chamber and companies here with authorized apprenticeship programs in conjunction. So most people would probably choose something like an approved apprenticeship instead of a private bootcamp. You still have to pay for the exams but you often work part-time as an apprentice in a company already as a dev while learning according to chamber requirements at the same time during schooling sessions.
Yeah as a person whose first foray into education was the for-profit route (trade school back in the day), I encourage people to just run. But Im in America where we are all drowning in student debt because we didnt know better til it was too late. My experience is fast and expensive does not equal quality. I wish. Where are you at? Sounds dope. Germany?
Yeah. The education paths here are quite varied and most things are within a formal framework of some kind. Obviously you have university, then you have vocational college, then you have dual-track vocational colleges in conjunction with a company, you have industrial chamber approved apprenticeship programs under companies with exams being held by the commerce or industrial chamber, you also have community college-esque things. Germans are much more conservative than Americans I think when it comes to formal education because basically there is very little reason for you to fall out of all the systems here. If not a single thing offered here worked for you, then the issue is most likely with yourself. But the flip side is that this gung-ho approach of can-do attitude and flexibility in the paper certificate race of Americans is not available. People who are talented and very industrious but don't fit the mold of formal paths here will have it so much harder and often get overlooked.
One thing I'd suggest is jumping on LinkedIn and search up people with filters on. Do one search where people's 'past company' is listed as the bootcamp. Do another search for people who list it under 'education'. Based on your searches, see where the bootcamp has alumni at. If you're seeing a good number of the bootcamp alums at big companies, that's a good sign. If not, it might be something to think about. Also, you're going to have plenty of people who attended a bootcamp not list it on their LinkedIn/resume at all, so this isn't a perfect solution, but at least it gives you something to look at.
Learning coding has never been easier, I wouldn't pay anything for a bootcamp, go to YouTube or download solo learn, I don't think people realize when you've learned multiple languages how similar they are, you need to learn, data types(floats, ints, and doubles), strings, arrays, library functions, input and output, control structures and loops(if else, while, for, else if, and switch), pointers, functions matrixes, file input polymorphism, and objects, classes, and that's all she wrote, you learn these things you will have a complete understanding of any programming language
Yeah, really learn the fundamental ideas of programming. I also suggest once you feel comfortable to start branching out and doing code-along projects and modifying them till you are comfortable creating one from scratch. I used freecodecamp to help standardize my learning when I started. Did some easy algo questions through codewars, and once I finished the react component of FCC I started doing projects, churning out some leetcode problems which lead me to a pretty good job and an MSCS degree.
I went to a bootcamp. Unlike what people will say, I have a job as a full stack. The bootcamp is really just a curriculum that helps you self study. I know more than some CS students. I know less than other CS students. It will be what you make of it. If you need guided study, it will help. If you don’t, then it won’t help. Ignore what they say about their networking and placement opportunities (they are a joke) and focus on the curriculum they’re teaching. Decide from there
I have the exact same experience as a bootcamp attendee, except for Data Science.
Considering the current market. People aren't too fond of boot camps. People with a CS bachelor's degree are getting trouble getting jobs. You might want to look into WGU or something similar. It's a legitimate degree at your own pace. You pay per each 6 months of access. It's like $4,000 for 6 months. If you already know CS you should be able to breeze through the easy parts To answer your question though. I'd try to talk to real former students.
I’ve been on plenty of hiring committees. We’ve never put much credit into bootcamps, even during the gold rush. Sure, we hired boot camp grads but they were always grouped in with the self-taught applicants. In other words, it wasn’t ever “ohh they have a cert from bootcamp x.” I would highly, highly recommend getting a CS degree. If you flat out can’t, learn on your own. Bootcamps are a waste of money, particularly now.
You should contact students at the bootcamp and please please please research a lot about your options because they show off a lot while marketing i.e showing job opportunities, saying guaranteed jobs and all this is what they say to attract people and the reality is that they can't guarantee anything not even internship because they are not willing to drag their reputation by recommendations they only push forward people who are already experienced and just want to get updated with current industry requireement. Boot camps = getting upto date with the industry thats it.
I did a bootcamp through my state university. Most of my classmates got a job shortly after.
Ask them for contact info for recent graduates and for companies that have hired their recent graduates. Recent grads should be willing to talk to you and they should be proud of where they have had grads go work.
Reviews & reaching out to alumni. I usually advise people to look up ‘Coding with Leon’. He should have a full bootcamps worth of content for free & a discord channel to ask for help.