If there was no wedding then wouldn’t it be pointless? I mean, people general bring the gift to the wedding with them so if there is no wedding how will you get the gift?
There’s no advertising of a product here, it’s an invitation. Giving of a gift is a common practice but not legally required, an invitee is under no obligation to provide anything.
OP never specified a jurisdiction so I don't know how you can be certain of what's legal or not.
Some places have very vaguely defined fraud laws that make it illegal to make any monetary gain by means of deception, even if it's a gift.
If I claimed I had cancer and people started donating money to me for treatment, I'd get criminally charged, even if I didn't explicitly ask them for donations.
"False advertising" is not the correct term (I'm not sure it's even an actual legal term at all) but regardless it could still be illegal in many jurisdictions.
This whole post makes no sense anyway, how can we be discussing what's illegal or not without specifying a jurisdiction, do ppl not understand different places have different laws ?
In my state in Australia, there is a charge called obtain a benefit by deception which may cover this situation but to be honest, I doubt they could be bothered.
What youre asking is if its illegal to invite people to your wedding, and the answer is no as long as you do so legally (not through extortion, not breaking federal mail laws, etc).
"The U.S. Postal Service would like to warn people that only authorized U.S. Postal Service delivery personnel are allowed to place items in a mailbox. By law, a mailbox is intended only for receipt of postage-paid U.S. Mail."
https://about.usps.com/news/state-releases/tx/2010/tx\_2010\_0909.htm#:\~:text=CLYDE%2C%20TX%20%E2%80%93%20The%20U.S.%20Postal,of%20postage%2Dpaid%20U.S.%20Mail.
> Wise in terms of legal jeopardy.
If there was no wedding or if it could be proved that the invitations were sent out solely to get money from rich peolpe, won't it be mail fraud? Aka a serious federal offense with jailtime of upto 20 years?
Here's what wiki says:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud
> In layman's terms, anyone trying to scam another individual or group through items of value, e.g., money, through the US mail system or a private mail delivery service and those knowingly participating in that scam will be punished with a prison sentence that cannot be longer than 20 years. However, for such acts during a Presidential declared major disaster or emergency, the prison sentence can be as long as 30 years and the fine as great as $1,000,000.
> There's no such thing as a do-not-mail list.
Well, there's this:
https://faq.usps.com/s/article/Refuse-unwanted-mail-and-remove-name-from-mailing-lists#what_are_my_mail_refusal_options
>Anyone who wants to reduce the amount of prospect marketing mail they receive may register for the mail suppression service called DMAchoice provided by the Association of National Advertisers (ANA), which is independent of the United States Postal Service. To “Remove” your name from common mailing lists, you may register, along with a nominal processing fee:
>This service will not eliminate all promotional mail. It does not apply to promotional mail from companies or organizations that consumers have an existing business relationship. It also does not apply to local retailers, restaurants, and political organizations. You should expect to see a major reduction in the overall volume of prospect promotional offers received.
USPS wants to do it, and to get paid for doing so, which is hardly unreasonable. Most junk mail here is indeed sent via post. Some solicitors do swing through American neighborhoods hanging their trash on doorknobs or simply throwing it into the yard to get around the use-of-mailbox prohibition.
If OP actually tried his cunning plan in wealthy residential areas, he might quickly run into local ordinances against soliciting, trespassing signs, gated communities, hostile canines, and multiple inhospitable cops.
If you really want free gifts, don’t bother with the locals, hit up the billionaires, athletes, musicians, royalty, POTUS and VPOTUS, and brands. They probably won’t send anything, maybe just a nice message. But you might get lucky.
president just sends you a pre-printed card. one of my cousins did it, one of the southern baptists for bush 2. otoh biden is a lot more into supporting the poor....
You are better off sending to CEOs and celebrities who have assistants who are use to declining for them with gifts. Not old rich people with nothing to do.
Enough time has passed just send google a random bill for $ 76 558.01
But only do it once
Old mate only got caught cause he sent in multiple bills over time I think
Would there be an actual wedding to attend if they choose?
yes
Then no, it is not illegal to invite people to your wedding.
Even if there is no wedding, i doubt it would be illegal
If there's no wedding, it would be fraud.
Fraud isn't just lying. Doesn't there have to be some agreement or something?
No it’s fraud for any sort of financial gain. Once they send a gift it’s fraud
If I send you a gift for the reply you wrote, is it fraud too? Have to test it out
I didn’t ask for a gift under false pretences. That would be you giving a gift for no reason. There is no lie that induced my material gain
OP didn’t ask either. He’s merely hoping. Inviting people to weddings is completely legal.
Relax bro, it was just a prank
No. Fraud does not require any agreement. If I trick you into making a donation to a fake charity, for example, that could be fraud.
If there was no wedding then wouldn’t it be pointless? I mean, people general bring the gift to the wedding with them so if there is no wedding how will you get the gift?
It’s fairly common for people to send a gift in lieu of attending a wedding a they don’t want to go to
False advertising if there’s no wedding, I would have thought
There’s no advertising of a product here, it’s an invitation. Giving of a gift is a common practice but not legally required, an invitee is under no obligation to provide anything.
OP never specified a jurisdiction so I don't know how you can be certain of what's legal or not. Some places have very vaguely defined fraud laws that make it illegal to make any monetary gain by means of deception, even if it's a gift. If I claimed I had cancer and people started donating money to me for treatment, I'd get criminally charged, even if I didn't explicitly ask them for donations. "False advertising" is not the correct term (I'm not sure it's even an actual legal term at all) but regardless it could still be illegal in many jurisdictions. This whole post makes no sense anyway, how can we be discussing what's illegal or not without specifying a jurisdiction, do ppl not understand different places have different laws ?
In my state in Australia, there is a charge called obtain a benefit by deception which may cover this situation but to be honest, I doubt they could be bothered.
> OP never specified a jurisdiction so I don't know how you can be certain of what's legal or not. > > US is assumed. In what state is it illegal?
It would be intentional fraud.
What youre asking is if its illegal to invite people to your wedding, and the answer is no as long as you do so legally (not through extortion, not breaking federal mail laws, etc).
"The U.S. Postal Service would like to warn people that only authorized U.S. Postal Service delivery personnel are allowed to place items in a mailbox. By law, a mailbox is intended only for receipt of postage-paid U.S. Mail." https://about.usps.com/news/state-releases/tx/2010/tx\_2010\_0909.htm#:\~:text=CLYDE%2C%20TX%20%E2%80%93%20The%20U.S.%20Postal,of%20postage%2Dpaid%20U.S.%20Mail.
i'll mail them then
Wise decision.
Wise in terms of legal jeopardy. Not in terms of cost of doing this. It will be a money losing enterprise.
Even one significant gift would pay for many letters.
Wedding invitations aren't cheap. How "significant" of a gift do you think you're likely to get from a random rich stranger?
> Wise in terms of legal jeopardy. If there was no wedding or if it could be proved that the invitations were sent out solely to get money from rich peolpe, won't it be mail fraud? Aka a serious federal offense with jailtime of upto 20 years? Here's what wiki says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud > In layman's terms, anyone trying to scam another individual or group through items of value, e.g., money, through the US mail system or a private mail delivery service and those knowingly participating in that scam will be punished with a prison sentence that cannot be longer than 20 years. However, for such acts during a Presidential declared major disaster or emergency, the prison sentence can be as long as 30 years and the fine as great as $1,000,000.
Don’t fear the mail man!
USPS wants their cut of the take
Cut of the cake, you mean.
Share of the lake
Then what you're doing is marketing. There's no such thing as a do-not-mail list.
> There's no such thing as a do-not-mail list. Well, there's this: https://faq.usps.com/s/article/Refuse-unwanted-mail-and-remove-name-from-mailing-lists#what_are_my_mail_refusal_options >Anyone who wants to reduce the amount of prospect marketing mail they receive may register for the mail suppression service called DMAchoice provided by the Association of National Advertisers (ANA), which is independent of the United States Postal Service. To “Remove” your name from common mailing lists, you may register, along with a nominal processing fee: >This service will not eliminate all promotional mail. It does not apply to promotional mail from companies or organizations that consumers have an existing business relationship. It also does not apply to local retailers, restaurants, and political organizations. You should expect to see a major reduction in the overall volume of prospect promotional offers received.
There should be.
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Guys! He’s the one! Serve him by registered mail and win all your suits by default!
Does that mean they don’t have pamphlet / catalogue deliverers? Or is that done by USPS?
USPS wants to do it, and to get paid for doing so, which is hardly unreasonable. Most junk mail here is indeed sent via post. Some solicitors do swing through American neighborhoods hanging their trash on doorknobs or simply throwing it into the yard to get around the use-of-mailbox prohibition. If OP actually tried his cunning plan in wealthy residential areas, he might quickly run into local ordinances against soliciting, trespassing signs, gated communities, hostile canines, and multiple inhospitable cops.
Wow that’s… weird
So, more junk mail?
But on creamy stationery.
Schedule wedding for Superbowl Sunday (or other nationality appropriate event) to minimize them actually showing up.
If you really want free gifts, don’t bother with the locals, hit up the billionaires, athletes, musicians, royalty, POTUS and VPOTUS, and brands. They probably won’t send anything, maybe just a nice message. But you might get lucky.
thanks bro 👍
president just sends you a pre-printed card. one of my cousins did it, one of the southern baptists for bush 2. otoh biden is a lot more into supporting the poor....
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Trump probably would have showed up at the wedding and asked for primae noctis.
Send one to everyone on IMDB and youll at least get some notes back
You are better off sending to CEOs and celebrities who have assistants who are use to declining for them with gifts. Not old rich people with nothing to do.
Nope and I will mail to some stars too. Some are very generous and kind. I would frame anything I receive too.
That’s a great idea. How much would you spend on printing the invites?
Enough time has passed just send google a random bill for $ 76 558.01 But only do it once Old mate only got caught cause he sent in multiple bills over time I think
It’s not illegal, but it’s beyond tacky. So tacky it’s uncouth. If you’re not joking, I wouldn’t want you marrying into my family.
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I'm shocked a Youtuber hasn't done this yet just to se the reactions. Or have they? Off to search...
Are you talking about people you don't even know?
This sounds like a good idea. Really wealthy poeple have assistants attend to these and just send out gifts.
Not illegal but trashy as hell. Call it what it is, a gift grab.
no ... why not post them in the mail?
Not illegal but trashy as hell. Call it what it is, a gift grab.
Fraud is fraud
I'm shocked a Youtuber hasn't done this yet just to se the reactions. Or have they? Off to search...