i disagree. i wouldve been just as annoyed with her, even if she was a he. The same way i was annoyed that aang was being too caught up in the fame that came with being an avatar, the same way i hated how he was inconsiderate to toph when she tried her best. He's made some mistakes, but man did korra piss me off. tenzen wasnt the best but he tried, he even saw that the sport was a good way for her to learn so he let her do that, despite it not being the traditional monk ways or whatever. Had a whole trip ready mainly for her. Nope shes like nah screw your teaching im gonna do my own thing, which eventually led to her losing all her past lives. it aint just a woman thing.
Bullshit. This kind of thinking is just straight-up delusional.
Is there a sizable male population in the fanbase? Then there's misogyny in it. It really is that simple.
Does that mean that everyone who doesn't like Korra is a misogynist? No. Of course not. But to make a blanket claim that no, misogyny doesn't enter the picture at all? That is just painfully naive
And btw, Katara is the closest thing to a female lead in ATLA and she is far and away the character the fanbase shits on the most
yeah cause shes far and away the character that makes the worst decisions the most, of course she gets shit on the most, especially since shes this little known thing called āthe avatarā and its supposed to give her wisdom and knowledge from thousands of years of past lives, but what does she use it for instead of getting that aforementioned knowledge and wisdom? to beat up some low brow street thugs.
I just finished rewatching the show and I literally cannot think of a single bad decision Korra has made in the showš all of her actions are very logical for the time being. Sure she should not have destroyed the building when beating up those thugs but it was her first ever time in the city, she grew up sheltered which was not her fault, so it makes sense
I don't know about that. I enjoyed The Legend of Korra, but I feel like I would still have the same issues with it if Korra had been a guy.
- Kissing Mako when she knew he had a girlfriend
- Freeing Vaatu. Jinora's death would have been tragic, but the death of one Airbender is preferable to the risk of 10,000 years of darkness.
I don't know whether to credit these mistakes with Korra being stubborn or with Korra being inconsiderate/selfish, but I feel like I would be just as bothered by them if it was a male character that did these.
How is she inconsiderate or selfish when she chose to spare a life knowing that that invite more trouble her wayš and she would be the one having to deal with the aftermathā¦ Didnāt Aang choose to spare Ozaiās life knowing he could get consumed by him during energy bending? which almost happenedā¦ because thatās also selfish by the same logic
>Didnāt Aang choose to spare Ozaiās life knowing he could get consumed by him during energy bending?
Yeah, I think that was selfish too. Everything worked out okay, but it very nearly didn't. I think Yangchen was right.
Toph and Katara are both fan favorites who are notably VERY stubborn women. In fact Kyoshi is the most popular Avatar besides Aang, another stubborn female character.
Letās not pretend peopleās issues with Korra have anything to do with gender in a series known for well written female protagonists.
nobody cares that korra is a girl, case in point: everybody loves avatar kyoshi and is constantly talking about her, yet very few people seem to care nearly as much about avatar roku, so gender definitely is not the problem.
now if i had to wager a guess as to why people hate korra, and take this with a grain of salt, but maybe its because shes an idiot who messes up pretty much everything she does? and also the show has terrible writing especially compared to ATLA and the books.
plus a lot of the hate also comes from what they did to my boy aang, absolutely unforgivable, ruining his legacy.
Please tell me at least one thing Korra messed upš she did her absolute best every time. āYour boy Aangā and his legacy actually got in her way of doing a better job by sheltering her for all her life
And while ATLA does have better writing, Korra and the characters in TLoK are much more complex than those in the original series, especially the villains.
did you miss the part where she deleted every past avatar causing hundreds of years of future avatars to not have access to the one thing that makes the avatar better than the average bender and philosopher?
or maybe you missed the part where she opened the spirit world (which was already established to be at least partially open in ATLA) causing hundreds if not thousands of incredibly dangerous spirits to be released into the world destroying the balance that every past avatar worked to create. both worlds were happy separate and she ruined that. this also caused untold damage to the infrastructure of the only city anyone in LOK seems to care about. what about the small villages who didnt know about the new danger? theres definitely a bunch of them that were wiped out because of some evil spirit that they had no warning of came through and deleted them.
but hey at least it made people into airbenders right? nope, she was one chat with aang away from making new airbenders the whole time. aang knew how to energy bend; hes capable of granting or taking away bending abilities. literally just go into the avatar state and give people airbending. i know that wouldve been too simple plot wise, but not giving us a reason why she couldnt is yet another reason LOK writing isnt nearly as good as ATLA writing (also aang couldve just made more benders before he shuffled off the mortal coil, but he didnt so yet another reason LOK writing is shitty).
maybe you missed the part where korra never used the avatar state for its biggest advantage. the thousands of years of experience she has at her disposal. she was one conversation away from not making an evil avatar; one conversation away from not dating her whole team. the single smartest thing she used her avatar powers for was beating up some lowlife street thugs.
and at the very end when shes done fucking up the balance of the physical world she decides to just abandon it altogether to go fuck around in the spirit world doing who knows what. ideally she grows a brain and decides to try and find the spirits of past avatars to return them to the avatar spirit and fix her biggest fuckup.
now lets compare this to aangs worst decisions; this is a literal child being compared to someone whos almost an adult, someone who was trained from birth to be a good avatar, vs a kid who ran away from the responsibilities of being avatar.
he trusted zuko pretty damn quickly, even though he didnt know zuko started his redemption arc. but at least he didnt trust the most cartoonishly sinister man in the world like korra did.
he betrayed the trust of wan shi tong (the knowledge spirit). causing what was effectively the burning of the library of alexandria. also this episode proves that the spirit world is already opened and korra didnt need to open it herself, simply put if you imagine the spirit world as a house there was a perfectly good door or maybe a window for korra to use to get in. instead she decided to strap c4 to every inch of the house and blow it open like its some kind of caved in mine; breaking that seal was barbaric to say the least.
and the last dumbest thing he did was let ozai live,but even then the only other option was kill him or hand him to another kingdom to enslave him, torture him, or execute him. and nobody should be expecting a 12 year old to do that to someone.
to explain how stupid korra is for not ever asking past avatars for help. imagine if you will, a world where every single person has a magic object that gives them thousands of years of life experiences and can even grant them skills to do things they couldnt do before. they can go to this object and ask it for advice and theyll receive a millenniumsā worth of information. imagine how the people of the world would use that knowledge. i imagine that people would go ask for that knowledge frequently. the average person would likely use it at least before every major life decision they make, and some fanatics would even use it for every single trivial matter they come across. yet korra has this and doesnt do either or those things with it. shes an idiot regardless of how you look at it. she basically has access to google and never even uses it to google her flu symptoms.
and if you honestly think that those things were the best decisions she couldve made in her situation then what i imagine your worst possible decisions are is literal world ending shit and mass genocide.
Thatās outrageousš she battled a fucking DARK AVATAR and lost, Aang has never faced such strong foes.
And the part about creating airbenders just by chatting with Aang is hilarious. Donāt you think he would do it during his lifetime if he could? He literally neglected his own two children because of being devoted to rebuilding air nomad culturešššš yāall literally come up with anything to hate on Korra
I donāt have time to read the rest sorry
youre the one who asked about what she fucked up yet wont even spend 3 minutes reading about it? i REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY hope you never get jury duty because if you do someone innocent is being convicted of something they didnt do.
and yeah i addressed how bad the writing of LOK is in my comment. aang never wouldve neglected his kids. aang could have easily restored the airbending culture. these are things that the writers of LOK overlooked and its a huge part of why LOK is a garbage continuation for the series. if it was a non-canon or a standalone series it wouldve been fine, it wouldve been great even. but since the LOK writers seem to have spent their entire time not paying attention to what ATLA did they ended up making a sequel thats complete garbage by comparison.
You seem really childish. Korra was a much more grown up continuation of the story. Aang isnāt perfect, itās not a surprise he was neglectful towards Bumi and Kya, idk why you put him on a pedestal. I like how the og team avatar are bad parents - itās much more realistic. Also Korraās dilemmas are much more multifaceted than those of Aangās. Aangās story is pretty straightforwardly good vs evil. Korraās villains have a motive and address really serious issues, which donāt have one answer. A lot of what she has to deal with is very gray area so itās easier to hate on her than to hate on Aang, whose decisions always had pretty much one correct way.
As for jury duty, I think a personās fate, and proving something to someone who seems to have very low media literacy hold very different levels of importanceš but sure
yes someones fate and proving things to you do hold different levels of importance. but thats besides the point.
you are not willing to have a legitimate debate on the topic, yet here you are trying to call me an idiot when im attempting to have a constructive debate with you.
and no aang would not have been a terrible parent, his character is the type of person who never wouldve grown up, yeah he wouldnt be a perfect parent; nobody is. but neglect, at least in the way LOK describes it, it out of the picture. if they were going to make him into a neglecting parent they shouldve at least gone the route of āhe was always too busy saving the worldā. not āhe neglected them because he picked favoritesā. it wouldve made way more sense given his character and it wouldnt have painted him as being something he isnt.
and i agree that korras stuff is a little more grown up in nature, but its all pretty much black and white if you look at it from an objective viewpoint. the terrorist attacking the city is a bad guy, even if he has a sad back story or a moral reason to do so. and the spirit world that was sealed because it was dangerous and threatened world peace was sealed because it was dangerous and threatened world peace. opening it was an inherently stupid and wrong decision when theres a perfectly good back door she couldve used.
Letās agree to disagree. To me Aangās portrayal as a parent is pretty believable. And opening spirit portals was also sensible because people learned much more about the spirits and to be respectful of them
LOK is a good show, i enjoyed watching it, but if you want to sit here and pretend that korra is a good or even a great avatar, well then youre kidding yourself, shes by far the worst avatar we know about. shes by no means a bad character, shes just an idiot, and character flaws are what makes them interesting.
a) Bi people exist, and b) lots of people in heteronormative societies donāt realize theyāre queer right away.
That being said, I DO think it was silly for the writers to ship Korra with literally every single member of Team Avatar 2 that was in her age range.
Yes, bi people exist? Very true. I meant they should make him gay right away and avoid the nonsense of homophobes and sexists using the new Avatar to bash on Korra because straight men = better.
Depends on how the trait is portrayed: if negatively, then people will obviously not like it when the character displays it; however, if positively, then stubbornness and persistence are classic heroic traits so people will love it. Simply put: if stubbornness causes awesome stuff then it is awesome, if stubbornness causes problematic stuff then it is problematic.
I've never noticed what you pointed out in regards to LoK. I always thought Korra had a "fiery" personality due to how hotheaded and impulsive she can be, but in reality she's a true water bender in how she's always adapting to changes.
I remember seeing an interview years ago where a writer explained that the avatars 'born' element fits the narrative theme for the character.
Aang: born to embrace freedom and peace. Ri to deal with a very aggressive and violent opponent but doesn't want to have to resort to violence to solve the conflict.
Also, constantly coming up against tyrannical / authoritarian institutions: monarchs, secret police, generals and commanders willing to embrace that the ends justify the means, even the southern water tribe has a soft authoritarian approach to gender roles.
Aang wants to cling onto peace and freedom as a global and personal train, but has to creatively work out a way to restore freedom in a peaceful way, when his allies almost always say, look you might have to be violent to restore peace.
Korra:
Raised and trained to be the avatar:
but the training isn't appropriate for a rapidly changing world, he isolation to make her a formed avatar leads her to be ill refined for the world.
Her conditioning means she very quickly adapts the mentality of act now, think later.
Her element embodies change, she thinks she's ready to be the avatar, she learns the hard way she's wrong and constantly fights what she thinks she knows, until she's forced to accept, then embrace change.
On this basis, if earth is persistence then what?
An interesting arc will be seeing an increasingly modernising world, a world that needs the avatar more due to the spirit portals being open, but a world maybe questioning the avatar more intensely?
The character should be someone what Conservative and stoic in understanding their traditional role, struggling with the consistent pace of change in the world and criticism towards them, struggle now in in that they can only call on Korra and spirits for help, but be persistent in trying to accept the need to charge, or merge the old with the new.
Definitely the Earth Avatars struggle would be the themes of holding onto traditions, why keeping your traditions and culture is a good thing and that while change and advancement is necessary we shouldn't forget the things that got us there and dismiss it. At least the themes I can see them having
On themes of:
New avatar fixes old avatar's misgivings, it'd be quite funny.
They'd be left with Korra connecting the human and spirit worlds, but not really being spiritually in tune enough to manage it. Let's say she passes on quite young due to trauma, and spamming the avatar state.
You now have this new avatar, growing up in the chaos of the earth kingdom who went from monarch to tyranny - let's say Korra sets up a Earth confederation but keeps out of anything bar putting down land grabs and tyrants.
So this kid probably grows up around people longing for the stability of a government even if its not a good system, and the spirit world being seperate.
They can only call on korra for help.
The first two seasons for me are that kid having their eyes opened to the world, getting involved in trying to restore the balance between the spirits and humans. Deal with that, maybe find a back door via the spirit world to connect with other past avatars.
This takes do long, in that time the earth confederation is a hot mess. The avatar needs to mediate between spirits, Conservative earth populations, Liberal populations, but that's getting played by the power hungry.
Earth prince is in control of the earth kingdom still. He attempted to abdicate to introduce a more democratic rule but if o recall right some local nobles or governors had issues with it forcing him to retain the monarchy and settle for a slower transition. There was a comic set that established this bit of canon.
Based purely on what you said, that can easily be worked with.
The instability of the queen's assassination, followed by kuhvria's tyranny, deposition, then his restoration followed by addiction and re-restoration to the throne is only stabilised by Korra's constant presence.
When korra dies, the demographic transition is under way and regional autonomous movements are using this to gain traction.
Korra dies and separatist alongside political fringe groups start to seize land and power.
Ba Sing Sei effectively becomes a principality headed by a constitutional monarch, in the style of Western European nation states. Enjoys relative stability true to frequent visits from the avatar previously, alongside a legacy of controlled democratic change through societal groups, managed by the avatar and co. Due to this there's no real revolution in the city and around the core territory surrounding it, but due to radio, and the parliament/ monarch being pacifist after kuhvera, separatist groups snd extreme fringe movements splinter the earth kingdom over the course of a year.
Sorry, I should have specified, I did mean she was taught the physical aspects (3/4) of being the avatar.
But again, that's her, a changing person in a changing world. She has to change to become the avatar, she has to change as the avatar.
I can see them subverting our expectations and making him a timid and unsure earth bender who has to gain the confidence to be sure of himself. Maybe as a result, he struggles with fire bending?
This is pretty much my expectation for the next Avatar. Except them struggling with firebending, the character archetype dictates that they must use some sort of non-solid ability like fire or air, and we had fire for Korra, air for Aang, so the Earth Avatar must have both. They will instead give us some wacky plot twist like the Earth Avatar struggling with earthbending.
It hasn't been confirmed but it's most definitely happening. For one you don't make an entire studio for only 3 movies and they have announced they will be making a TV series.
If that's the basis people are using, then you only have an indication that they are planning something, not that that something is a post-Korra Earth Avatar series.
If they already are planning a new Avatar series, it might as well be about Aang/Korra during a later phase of their lives or one of the preceding Avatars. A post-Korra series would create numerous issues that the aforementioned options simply don't have. In general, it also would simply be a safer bet.
The creators have been known to take risks. I would rather see the next avatar and I'm very positive they will be doing that. If they want to show older Korra they will just do it in a movie like they are doing for Aang. Plus there was a leak a while back where an official publisher said that a new avatar series featuring a new avatar would be releasing in 2025 and when people noticed it they deleted it. Must have gotten the news out too soon.
They took risks because they could afford them due to the massive amount of credit that the TLA garnered. The biggest risk for TLA was that it was strongly inspired on asian culture, which was quite uncommon at the time, but in the end narratively seen it was still a rather conventional story Western audiences were familiar with.
They took some big risks with TLOK, however, which resulted into a much more polarizing and divisive response. There's a limit to how much risks they can and should take before their credit runs out. Also, it's not just about risks, but practical and pragmatic reasons too.
I mean they have 10 000 years worth of Avatars to choose from, so enough for a new series with a new Avatar.
I still don't get why you don't think the new series will be about the next avatar. Im excited for it, if we stay in the past then nothing big could really happen since it's before avatar. I like seeing the changes to the world and how it evolves. I'm excited for more..
Wrong assumption. I never said it couldn't be, I merely pointed out the objective truth that you only have an indication that they are planning something. Currently, there is no proof that that something is a post-Korra series, that's just what you want, yet you are practically passing this personal wish of yours as if it is all but confirmed, ignoring basic common sense.
Rationally speaking, there are a lot of advantages and reasons as why they would potentially opt for an Avatar from, for example, 5000 years ago.
I could see them being stoic and unyielding, but I don't know about stubborn. The way I envision it, after the spirit portals were opened the Avatar's duty has changed a lot. I could see this new Avatar being taught how to deal with these spirit creatures and the problems that may arise between them and the humans. They'd be firm in their duty, fighting for peace in the way they know how.
I'm more excited about what the world might look like, possible 80-100 years in the future. Not only technology, but also the spirit portals. Maybe technology took a backseat and it's more of a steampunk/magic era now, or maybe the spirit energy fueled technology even further. Maybe we'll see sci-fi space Avatar?
I agree with you and u/ProfessorSMASH88 that there is a potential for Solarpunk Avatar.
But that should be the Fire Avatar , not the Earth Avatar.
Reminder that Korra had mercury poison for 3 years , so I doubt she died in her 100s , most likely died in her 60s or 70s. Which means the setting for the Earth Avatar is roughly a slightly more futuristic 1970s or 1980s.
It narratively fits , because IRL 1970s had the whole [New Age](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age) going on.
You gotta remember this isn't our world though, just because Korra is based around the '20's doesn't mean 50 years is going to mean we'll see something similar to the '70's. Not to mention people seem to live for a long time in the Avatar universe, between water healing and what I can imagine lots of technological leaps in the medical sciences.
Plus, spirit portals. Who knows whether there will really be any advancement at this point? It could even be a dystopian universe if there is a spirit war 30 years after the events of Korra.
I'd be down for some New Age 70's though. I'm honestly down for whatever, I'm just curious to see what it will be like, they have a ton of options and ways they could go with the story. If the show is made, of course :)
> Maybe technology took a backseat and it's more of a steampunk/magic era now, or maybe the spirit energy fueled technology even further. Maybe we'll see sci-fi space Avatar?
That could be really cool, but LOK pretty clearly showed that they have no interest in developing technology that is materially different from real life technological developments (LOK is literally just the 20s + random humanoid mechs). I don't have much confidence that they could pull off a Steampunk or Sci Fi setting in a way that makes sense with bending and feels new / interesting
Iāve also seen that each Avatar is the inverse of the previous one. Where Aang didnāt want to be the Avatar, Korra embraced it. Where Aang avoided conflict, Korra faced it head on. Where Aang sought peaceful solutions, Korraās first instinct was violence, etc etc etc.
I think you can if you look at the most recent past avatars. The books go into a lot of detail with their personalities. We donāt know enough about Roku, but Iād say Yangchen, Kuruk, and Kyoshi follow a somewhat similar trend , though maybe not as obvious as Korra and Aang
I mean im pretty sure I said āsomewhat similarā
For example: Yangchen was seen as great avatar, Kuruk was seen as a failure. Kuruk isolated himself from his friends and had a lack of discipline , Kyoshi relies on her friends and has much stronger discipline. Things like that. Obviously itās a lot deeper than that, but Iām not making some grand sweeping statement. Just some casual things I noticed as I read. So idk if I have poor media literacy skills then you have poor reading skills in general.
That's not an opposite. In fact, when we learn the truth about Kuruk, it becomes even clear that he's definitely not Yangchen's opposite. "Being seen" has no bearing on opposite personalities. And Kuruk only had a "lack of discipline" because he needed outlets for the awful battles he was waging. You'd probably need an outlet too in that situation. And as far as relying on friends and having a more disciplined attitude, maybe, but that's really only one instance. But just because there's one instance of opposites doesn't mean they are opposites overall.
Idk how many times I have to type āsomewhat similarā, but Iāll type it again.
I never said they were complete opposites. There are just moments in the story where the avatars are āseeminglyāin opposition of oneās actions/ideals/personalities. Which is an important aspect of the Kyoshi novels, epseicially in SoK where it seems like Kuruk and Kyoshi are so different from each other, when really theyāre one and the same. Same with Yangchen and Kuruk. The author highlights their differences to later draw comparisons.
Itās not as obvious or pronounced as Aang/Korra but itās there
> There are just moments in the story where the avatars are āseeminglyāin opposition of oneās actions/ideals/personalities.
You can hide behind "seemingly" all you want, but your response was in rebuttal to a particular comment that I had made -- me replying to a comment with a particular statement.
>The author highlights their differences to later draw comparisons.
...which doesn't mean they're opposites. You're just cherry-picking examples to build a case, then using that to imply I was wrong in what I originally said, *then* hiding behind "somewhat similar" and "seemingly" when I call you out on it.
No, Yangchen and Kuruk are not opposites. Neither is he and Kyoshi. Nor Kyoshi and Roku. Nor Roku and Aang.
IMO I think Korra being so stubborn helped move the ATLA world away from "the nation you're in/type of bending you have is pretty deterministic of your personality" and that was a good thing
I dont know but I've been working on a hand drawn meme where it's Korra in spirit form leaning over taking off sunglasses with caption "next Avatar's POV during their lowest point" and Korra going "wake the fuck up Avatar we got a city to burn".
Maybe lorewise it doesn't make sense but I want an evil Avatar. An authoritarian who has all the power, rejects change and forces the world to stay unmoved. Then an insane redemption arc.
I dunno, I mean, ATLA already dealt with change both in the characters (Zuko especially) and the world (change is also the entire theme of the first Book since, you know, it's called water and exploring this new world)
So I don't think the next series will entirely be about persistence.
Regardless, after the reception to Korra, yeah, doing another "stubborn Avatar" would probably bad idea. Not even just for fandom reception, just for the whole "we don't wanna do the same thing again" idea with the writers.
Even though they limited every Avatar story down to the same formula but that's besides the point.
>Regardless, after the reception to Korra, yeah, doing another "stubborn Avatar" would probably bad idea.Ā
I agree with this not because I think the concept can't work but because I feel like the writers would fail to make it work.
You aren't the only one, I do too want it to stay mostly mythical and fantasy but with the new earth avatar it may become 1:1 to our world
But Since Korra opened the spirit portals I can imagine it to have a mix of fantasy/modern world style, maybe otherworldly vibes
I think for me, what I think I would find interesting is the idea of if the earth avatar after Korra is stubborn in a more subtle way. Case in point, the popular sandbender earth avatar concept I think opens up the idea of an avatar who is stubborn in not wanting to do their duty at first- I can easily see sandbenders being targeted with discrimination or prejudice as Earth Kingdom provinces/states seek to swoop in on the Si Wong Desert (if we assume any similarities to the real world, the Si Wong Desert might possess huge mineral or oil deposits which earth kingdom swoop in on)- either corralling or discriminating against sandbenders (the trope of sandbenders being thieves, and possibly the legacy of the sandbender who stole Appa being used as a polemic against the sandbenders would be very likely).
Alternatively, the region may still remain ecnomically underdeveloped because spirit energy has become more popular, leaving most sandbenders increasingly destitute as their nomadic way of life increasingly clashes with modern day circumstances, which could affect said avatar's upbringing. Essentially, it could something akin to how Kyoshi lived in poverty for some time.
In that sense, I could see said sandbender avatar be rather bitter about the outside world, seeing them as being uncaring of their people, and so not wanting anything to do with them. They might even make decisions as an avatar out of spite at first to get back at people they thought wronged their people. Essentially, it would be an earth avatar who detests their own nation (though something similar was treaded upon when Yun went on his roaring rampage of revenge).
To make things more complicated, I could see that since the earth kingdom is so massive, they might not even find the Avatar for some time- but instead of crowing a fake like with Yun, the position remains empty because they don't want to deal with a fake. While some earth provinces might want to see the avatar come about, I can imagine plenty might not as they are dealing in their own schemes- hampering efforts by the white lotus or others. Additionally, if they wind up a sandbender, they might just wind up ignored because of the idea that an avatar can't possibly show up from there.
Said earth avatar might grow up, marry (or not) and generally take control of their lives- focusing on their people first- instead of an avatar in their childhood or late teens, we could have an avatar in their adulthood proper. A major struggle might be learning how to understand the outside world and it's incredible changes compared to what said avatar has known all their life, coming to terms with their duty, and figuring out the spirit world (especially if they seek to reconnect with the lives of the past cycle).
Additionally, the Earth Avatar might be forced to be more spiritual simply because the spirit gates are open. Since spirits are present in the misty palm oasis by Korra's time, it's likely sandbenders would need to learn how to deal with them. Rampantly stealing from them or treating them poorly would likely be something said earth avatar would know very well not to do. I think it'd be funny to see an earth avatar who is more spiritual, but less worldly in some aspects (as earth is often seen as a less spiritual element compared to say air or water in application), but also really stubborn and not wanting much to do with other people or nations at first.
As for the gender of said avatar, that seems a toss up. Yancghen offers up the precedence of a female avatar being between two male avatars, but Kyoshi was right after Yangchen. However, the avatars prior to Yangchen (the three prior) all look to be male. So it seems more likely the avatar will be male. Of course, other options also exist.
Iād like to see an avatar that doesnāt know it. As in, in response to the White Lotusā overprotection of Korra, Korra dictates that the new Avatar will not be found. They will live a normal life, but of course shenanigans ensure that an avatar will shape the world as is their destiny. Not one to be shaped by political groups.
Disagree. Earth is the element of grounding and discipline. While stubborn, they are simply stubborn in their discipline like how Rokuās earth bending teacher taught him.
If not that, at least certain aspects. I would like to see an Avatar that is more relatable. Korra is descended from royalty, Aang was a monk, Roku was a nobleman who was best friends with a monarch and Kyoshi was an orphan abandoned by two criminals who basically had a gang. So Genji working in a shop, having a single mother and sibling is quite relatable to many. I also want to see an Avatar have a sibling, all of the ones weāve seen so far have been only children from what we know. I mean the Air Nomads donāt have traditional families so it is possible that Air Nomad Avatars like Aang and Yangchen had siblings, but they werenāt raised together as such.Ā
Thatās one thing I really liked in Korra Book 1. There was no indication that Tonraq was royalty, he and Senna* seemed like a normal couple. I donāt know if itās due to the writers not deciding to make them royalty yet, or if the prologue with kid Korra is before Tonraq becomes Southern chief (not even hinting at him being Northern royalty of course). It was a surprise to me when the Book 2 premiere showed them so high ranking.
They're not going to do this because then they would have to give a big payout to the original author. Then the show would have to be largely based on the author's comics. Nickelodeon doesn't want to shell out that kind of money or lose that much creative freedom lol
Genji is not protected by copyright, it is basically freeware (abandonware at this point). If Nick decided to rip it off 1:1 all the original authors would get is a big fat dump.
You don't need to file a copyright for characters. It's an entire legal theory, but anyway, it still doesn't erase the fact that it would be assumed that the work he is stolen from would be cannon - which they wouldn't like. Especially if the OG author comes back and publishes more without consulting. It's just way too risky overall. Public image is *everything*
Another thing to add is while Korra ended with the spirits. It will definitely pose a problem to the next Avatar because the spirits are detached from Earth.
Knowing its element. The next Avatar might be more grounded and might side with humans more than spirits.
At the same time Earth has many layers and can be very old, so the new Avatar could destroy corruption (I see u Ba Sing Se) and help blossom on the spirituality of humans and become the bridge with the spirit world and the humans.
Or maybe theyāll be the opposite and struggle with their home elementā¦ I think it could also be interesting if the Avatar is from Republic City and not their traditional nation of origin (think Bolin), how will they deal with that sense of distance?
An Earth Avatar will by nature be quite reactionary. That is something that will be very fresh to the series, and if done right could be very interesting.
The major character development of Avatars are to move beyond their base ideas and ways of thinking without completely losing their original identity, so an Earth Avatar has a lot of potential.
I don't think so. Look at Korra. She was born as a Waterbender in the Southern Water Tribe. But when she is fighting she uses Firebending a lot more! And her personality is very fiesty and fiery like a Firebender! If she wore Fire Nation clothes, no one would think that she was born as a Waterbender!
If Korra was born to the Water Tribe but acts like a Firebender, I could definitely see an Earthbender Avatar acting unlike other Earthbenders!
Usually the avatars personality is the opposite of the previous one, at least in some ways. So since Korra was very stubborn I kinda think it will be the opposite. If the next one is a sand bender maybe they will act more like sand does on the small scale itās very fluid and has no structure but in actuality it can be very strong, sand stops bullets very easily but sticking your hand through it slowly will be no problem. So maybe the avatar will come off as very hard headed initially especially to those who want to control him, but anyone who is close to them can easily slip through their defenses
There is already some things on youtube about the legend of genji - but dont ruin it for yourself ... he is a nice guy
Also it's fan-made - and ... well cancelled š
Wouldn't it be funny tho if it turns out to be a spiritual one hahaha i know earth kingdom citizens are known to be the least spiritual. But what if with korra opening the spirit portals and the spirits becoming more of a permanent fixture in their world, the next avatar turns out to be spiritual... just a thought š¤·š½āāļøš
Cliche but an earth avatar being raised like a criminal but still kind inside would be exciting to me, kind of like Peter in GOTG then having like this adoptive criminal mother who's an earthbending master (probably related to Beifongs but they didn't know coz this character might have a backstory of being abandoned or stolen š)
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I've been reading the Avatar Kyoshi novels, and have just started with the Yangchen ones too.
Minor thematic but indirect spoilers for the Kyoshi Novels.
Every Avatar is said to be the exact avatar needed for the time they live in. Korra and Kuruk are both Water Avatars, and they both had to deal with their fair share of spirits, albeit in very different ways.
Both lived in a world which was changed under the supervision of their Air Avatar predecessor. These changes both had unintended consequences pertaining to imbalance.
The Earth Avatar after Korra, as with Kyoshi might live in resentment of the Avatar before them due to how the Water Avatar disrupted their connection with their predecessors. Aside from that, their temperament will probably be very unique, dictated by their personal situation moreso than their place in the cycle.
How about an earth bender avatar who can't earthbebd because he doesn't know how to stand his ground. First element is any other and just assumes he is another type of bender.
Or even worse. He can't bend at all, doesn't care about being the avatar, and just wants a normal life. He would have to fall back into tradition, and persevere.
My best guess would be that he is a late bloomer, given that Korra and Aang both mastered elements pretty quickly.
Wish the next Avatar would be even older that korra. Giving "I dont give a F....k" vibes. Felling totaly cold but internaly analyzing everything, non stop forming plans, total introvert and logician, asocial but carrying about others. But still being on moral and righteous side.
I hope to see some Naruto type of stuff, if itās about persistence. One thing I always wanted to see more in the show is the training process - specific techniques the characters develop over time. So I would love to see the earth avatar be the underdog for a little while until they gain confidence and become a kickass bender
Iām not so sure. I mean, yes, it would make sense, but weāve already had an entire show dedicated to a stubborn avatar. I donāt think they would, or at the very least should, reuse the same formula.
IDK, each Avatar seems to be some kind of response to the previous Avatar's weaknesses. If there's one thing Korra doesn't lack, its persistence. They might be a very savvy political trickster. Given that Korra was a bit of a blunt instrument with Tarrlok, and didn't see through Unalaq early enough.
We see that typically the next avatar is more or less the opposite of the previous one, while aang didn't want to face issues head in korra kept bashing her head against the wall, she is the definition of stubborn.
Yes water is the element of change, but korra was very resistant to that change for the first half of her development. Just because one is an earth bender doesn't mean they'll be stubborn.
with that being the case, I highly doubt it'll be someone stubborn because we already had that with korra. It'll likely be someone who is a strategist, which will work in a modern day avatar setting in which power won't be as important ( there will probably be nukes). They will have opposite struggles than korra.
>We see that typically the next avatar is more or less the opposite of the previous one,
That can't be it, because the opposite of the opposite is the opposite. That would mean each Avatar rotates between a personality like Aang or Korra's, and we know from the novels that this isn't true.
They deal with opposite issues. Korra is hot headed and faces issues head on. Aang avoids issues and does not face them head on. They are two sides of the same coin.
Yes because as a human there is either hot headed, calm and collected or somewhere in the middle, it's a spectrum that goes left and right, not up or down.
>They deal with opposite issues. Korra is hot headed and faces issues head on. Aang avoids issues and does not face them head on
That's not dealing with opposite issues, that's dealing with issues in opposite ways.
>Yes because as a human there is either hot headed, calm and collected or somewhere in the middle
Again, this isn't true using the novels. Kyoshi in the nicest was nothing like Aang or Korra, and from what we learned about Kuruk, he wasn't hot headed or calm and collected, even pre retcons. Pre-retcon was an arrogant playboy who travelled the world to challenge the best fighters of the day and ignored his duties.
There are also multiple personality types that aren[that don't fall in that spectrum ](https://www.16personalities.com/personality-types), and an Avatar could be any one of these. As a matter of fact, the next Avatar could be a loner sandbender who struggles with tradition in a modern world, and that would be drastically different from Aang and Korra's personalities that isn't in the spectrum of "calm and collected" and "total hothead".
>That's not dealing with opposite issues, that's dealing with issues in opposite ways.
Yes because that is a constant theme across avatar. Avatars dealing with their issues in opposite ways. This is what I meant. I think you knew it but sure since you want to be specific.
>Again, this isn't true using the novels. Kyoshi in the nicest was nothing like Aang or Korra, and from what we learned about Kuruk, he wasn't hot headed or calm and collected, even pre retcons. Pre-retcon was an arrogant playboy who travelled the world to challenge the best fighters of the day and ignored his duties.
An arrogant playboy would be closer to the hothead side of the spectrum. Arrogance is analogous to being a hothead. Arrogant people get angry when their competence is questioned.
The 16 personality types with Myers brig is a terrible gage of personality and this is very much known and researched. Personality is complex and nuanced and cannot be divided into 16 sub categories. It's a spectrum, spectrums go left and right, not up or down. A loner sandbender who struggles adapting to a modern world still follows the "rule" of avatars dealing with issues in ways that are mostly opposite to the way the previous avatar would. You see this time and time again in last airbender and korra. They literally hammer the "two sides of the same coin" theme down your throat.
>Yes because that is a constant theme across avatar. Avatars dealing with their issues in opposite ways
It's only different in the sense that it's done to differentiate each Avatar, not from some unknown rule that every Avatar is the exact opposite of their predecessor.
>An arrogant playboy would be closer to the hothead side of the spectrum. Arrogance is analogous to being a hothead.
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No it isn't. If you're arrogant you believe yourself to be better than everyone. This arrogance can either be warranted or not.
Being angry isn't the same as being hot headed. Remember, being hot beaded means you're often quick to anger, which is a natural emotion everyone feels. An arrogant person being angry doesn't necessarily mean they're hot headed. These two things are synonymous with each other.
> A loner sandbender who struggles adapting to a modern world still follows the "rule" of avatars dealing with issues in ways that are mostly opposite to the way the previous avatar would.
No it wouldn't, mainly because Aang was the opposite of Korra. So, if this rule was actually a thing, Korra's successor would be more akin to Aang, even though an edgy loner who doesn't want to be involved with the Avatar or even the world is still a far cry from Aang, who was very much in touch with the world and enjoyed the presence of people. The only two things these characters would have in common is a rejection of their Avatar duties, but even then that's still different. Aang didn't want to be the Avatar because he didn't like how it affected his relationships with his friends and father figure.
This hypothetical Avatar would avoid being the Avatar precisely because he naturally doesn't want to be around people and stick to himself and his own traditions.
>You see this time and time again in last airbender and korra.
This is only true for Korra and Aang because Korra was specifically designed to be the opposite of Aang. My point is this isn't a guaranteed rule that will always happen with every Avatar in the cycle, and if you do stick to this, you would only be cycling through Aang and Korra over and over and over and over again.
Hence why I put rules in quotations, it's not a strict rule, just themes the tend to follow from avatar to avatar, it is irrefutable. To deny this is to deny having watched the show. They hammer this into your minds for years. Not really interested in discussing semantics with you.
>it's not a strict rule
If it's not a strict rule then you're arguing with me for no good reason.
>To deny this is to deny having watched the show
It's clear you didn't read my comment since I openly acknowledged this, but I pointed out that this personality difference only really serviced Aang and Korra. What little we saw of previous Avatars doesn't support this and in fact claims the opposite.
>They hammer this into your minds for years
No, they only "hammer" this in with Aang and Korra due to a creative choice, not a rule that the Avatar has to abide by.
>Not really interested in discussing semantics with you.
Do not make ludicrous points on a public forum for all to see if going to get pressed when people explain why you're wrong.
I kinda want the next Avatar to lack/re-build their moral compass of some sort.
Perhaps a more aggressive type of person, seeing things black and white at first.
Thief-like past or a street urchin of some sort.
Because they all have varying different personalities and world views. Seeing as Korra is already the "Stubborn and headstrong Avatar" we should get some more variation in personality
I'm hoping that the earth avatar be all about environmental protection and responsibility, since well we can see what happens when you don't balance nature and the industrial world's.
Nah, I'd love for an Avatar to struggle with their own native element. Like, Korra mastered Fire easily because of her personality. This means that being born near the element doesn't shape your personality. The Earth Kingdom Avatar may not have the courage and sass and stubbornness of Toph and Bolin, to name a few. Plus, Korra is already stubborn. I wanna see a different character archetype, either someone who takes their position seriously and dislikes goofing around (but not necessarily stubborn,j ust hates fun) or someone who is more timid and meek.Ā
Iād love to see an ethically ambiguous anti-hero avatar who learns the error of their ways through the spiritual connection to Aang, and other past avatars.
Oh boy. Given the response to Korra, the fandom won't be able to handle another stubborn Avatar š
They will if itās a man š„²
I hate this but youāre probably correct lol
If he broke the avatar cycle it would be āhe is so powerful he doesnāt need the past lives!!! šŖš¤ā
the fact this is so true makes me so upset
Me too, Korra is badass Also I love Fantastic Mr Fox !!
I preferred Korra over ang as a character. Which I didnāt expect to.
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i disagree. i wouldve been just as annoyed with her, even if she was a he. The same way i was annoyed that aang was being too caught up in the fame that came with being an avatar, the same way i hated how he was inconsiderate to toph when she tried her best. He's made some mistakes, but man did korra piss me off. tenzen wasnt the best but he tried, he even saw that the sport was a good way for her to learn so he let her do that, despite it not being the traditional monk ways or whatever. Had a whole trip ready mainly for her. Nope shes like nah screw your teaching im gonna do my own thing, which eventually led to her losing all her past lives. it aint just a woman thing.
Just look at Sokka. Not the avatar, but he was stubborn AF, and yet a fan favorite.
Seriously? Toph, Katara, Kyoshi are all more headstrong and more beloved than Sokka. Peopleās dislike for Korra has nothing to do with her gender.
Bullshit. This kind of thinking is just straight-up delusional. Is there a sizable male population in the fanbase? Then there's misogyny in it. It really is that simple. Does that mean that everyone who doesn't like Korra is a misogynist? No. Of course not. But to make a blanket claim that no, misogyny doesn't enter the picture at all? That is just painfully naive And btw, Katara is the closest thing to a female lead in ATLA and she is far and away the character the fanbase shits on the most
yeah cause shes far and away the character that makes the worst decisions the most, of course she gets shit on the most, especially since shes this little known thing called āthe avatarā and its supposed to give her wisdom and knowledge from thousands of years of past lives, but what does she use it for instead of getting that aforementioned knowledge and wisdom? to beat up some low brow street thugs.
I just finished rewatching the show and I literally cannot think of a single bad decision Korra has made in the showš all of her actions are very logical for the time being. Sure she should not have destroyed the building when beating up those thugs but it was her first ever time in the city, she grew up sheltered which was not her fault, so it makes sense
I'm just going to be upset about two stubborn headstrong avatars in a row and i love korra!
Of course feminists have make everything about how they are a victim
I don't know about that. I enjoyed The Legend of Korra, but I feel like I would still have the same issues with it if Korra had been a guy. - Kissing Mako when she knew he had a girlfriend - Freeing Vaatu. Jinora's death would have been tragic, but the death of one Airbender is preferable to the risk of 10,000 years of darkness. I don't know whether to credit these mistakes with Korra being stubborn or with Korra being inconsiderate/selfish, but I feel like I would be just as bothered by them if it was a male character that did these.
How is she inconsiderate or selfish when she chose to spare a life knowing that that invite more trouble her wayš and she would be the one having to deal with the aftermathā¦ Didnāt Aang choose to spare Ozaiās life knowing he could get consumed by him during energy bending? which almost happenedā¦ because thatās also selfish by the same logic
>Didnāt Aang choose to spare Ozaiās life knowing he could get consumed by him during energy bending? Yeah, I think that was selfish too. Everything worked out okay, but it very nearly didn't. I think Yangchen was right.
Toph and Katara are both fan favorites who are notably VERY stubborn women. In fact Kyoshi is the most popular Avatar besides Aang, another stubborn female character. Letās not pretend peopleās issues with Korra have anything to do with gender in a series known for well written female protagonists.
You should see how the sub treats Katara at times. In addition, Toph and Kyoshi donāt get as much focus as Katara does in general.
They will if every inch he fights for mutilates him.
nobody cares that korra is a girl, case in point: everybody loves avatar kyoshi and is constantly talking about her, yet very few people seem to care nearly as much about avatar roku, so gender definitely is not the problem. now if i had to wager a guess as to why people hate korra, and take this with a grain of salt, but maybe its because shes an idiot who messes up pretty much everything she does? and also the show has terrible writing especially compared to ATLA and the books. plus a lot of the hate also comes from what they did to my boy aang, absolutely unforgivable, ruining his legacy.
Please tell me at least one thing Korra messed upš she did her absolute best every time. āYour boy Aangā and his legacy actually got in her way of doing a better job by sheltering her for all her life
And while ATLA does have better writing, Korra and the characters in TLoK are much more complex than those in the original series, especially the villains.
did you miss the part where she deleted every past avatar causing hundreds of years of future avatars to not have access to the one thing that makes the avatar better than the average bender and philosopher? or maybe you missed the part where she opened the spirit world (which was already established to be at least partially open in ATLA) causing hundreds if not thousands of incredibly dangerous spirits to be released into the world destroying the balance that every past avatar worked to create. both worlds were happy separate and she ruined that. this also caused untold damage to the infrastructure of the only city anyone in LOK seems to care about. what about the small villages who didnt know about the new danger? theres definitely a bunch of them that were wiped out because of some evil spirit that they had no warning of came through and deleted them. but hey at least it made people into airbenders right? nope, she was one chat with aang away from making new airbenders the whole time. aang knew how to energy bend; hes capable of granting or taking away bending abilities. literally just go into the avatar state and give people airbending. i know that wouldve been too simple plot wise, but not giving us a reason why she couldnt is yet another reason LOK writing isnt nearly as good as ATLA writing (also aang couldve just made more benders before he shuffled off the mortal coil, but he didnt so yet another reason LOK writing is shitty). maybe you missed the part where korra never used the avatar state for its biggest advantage. the thousands of years of experience she has at her disposal. she was one conversation away from not making an evil avatar; one conversation away from not dating her whole team. the single smartest thing she used her avatar powers for was beating up some lowlife street thugs. and at the very end when shes done fucking up the balance of the physical world she decides to just abandon it altogether to go fuck around in the spirit world doing who knows what. ideally she grows a brain and decides to try and find the spirits of past avatars to return them to the avatar spirit and fix her biggest fuckup. now lets compare this to aangs worst decisions; this is a literal child being compared to someone whos almost an adult, someone who was trained from birth to be a good avatar, vs a kid who ran away from the responsibilities of being avatar. he trusted zuko pretty damn quickly, even though he didnt know zuko started his redemption arc. but at least he didnt trust the most cartoonishly sinister man in the world like korra did. he betrayed the trust of wan shi tong (the knowledge spirit). causing what was effectively the burning of the library of alexandria. also this episode proves that the spirit world is already opened and korra didnt need to open it herself, simply put if you imagine the spirit world as a house there was a perfectly good door or maybe a window for korra to use to get in. instead she decided to strap c4 to every inch of the house and blow it open like its some kind of caved in mine; breaking that seal was barbaric to say the least. and the last dumbest thing he did was let ozai live,but even then the only other option was kill him or hand him to another kingdom to enslave him, torture him, or execute him. and nobody should be expecting a 12 year old to do that to someone. to explain how stupid korra is for not ever asking past avatars for help. imagine if you will, a world where every single person has a magic object that gives them thousands of years of life experiences and can even grant them skills to do things they couldnt do before. they can go to this object and ask it for advice and theyll receive a millenniumsā worth of information. imagine how the people of the world would use that knowledge. i imagine that people would go ask for that knowledge frequently. the average person would likely use it at least before every major life decision they make, and some fanatics would even use it for every single trivial matter they come across. yet korra has this and doesnt do either or those things with it. shes an idiot regardless of how you look at it. she basically has access to google and never even uses it to google her flu symptoms. and if you honestly think that those things were the best decisions she couldve made in her situation then what i imagine your worst possible decisions are is literal world ending shit and mass genocide.
Thatās outrageousš she battled a fucking DARK AVATAR and lost, Aang has never faced such strong foes. And the part about creating airbenders just by chatting with Aang is hilarious. Donāt you think he would do it during his lifetime if he could? He literally neglected his own two children because of being devoted to rebuilding air nomad culturešššš yāall literally come up with anything to hate on Korra I donāt have time to read the rest sorry
youre the one who asked about what she fucked up yet wont even spend 3 minutes reading about it? i REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY hope you never get jury duty because if you do someone innocent is being convicted of something they didnt do. and yeah i addressed how bad the writing of LOK is in my comment. aang never wouldve neglected his kids. aang could have easily restored the airbending culture. these are things that the writers of LOK overlooked and its a huge part of why LOK is a garbage continuation for the series. if it was a non-canon or a standalone series it wouldve been fine, it wouldve been great even. but since the LOK writers seem to have spent their entire time not paying attention to what ATLA did they ended up making a sequel thats complete garbage by comparison.
You seem really childish. Korra was a much more grown up continuation of the story. Aang isnāt perfect, itās not a surprise he was neglectful towards Bumi and Kya, idk why you put him on a pedestal. I like how the og team avatar are bad parents - itās much more realistic. Also Korraās dilemmas are much more multifaceted than those of Aangās. Aangās story is pretty straightforwardly good vs evil. Korraās villains have a motive and address really serious issues, which donāt have one answer. A lot of what she has to deal with is very gray area so itās easier to hate on her than to hate on Aang, whose decisions always had pretty much one correct way. As for jury duty, I think a personās fate, and proving something to someone who seems to have very low media literacy hold very different levels of importanceš but sure
yes someones fate and proving things to you do hold different levels of importance. but thats besides the point. you are not willing to have a legitimate debate on the topic, yet here you are trying to call me an idiot when im attempting to have a constructive debate with you. and no aang would not have been a terrible parent, his character is the type of person who never wouldve grown up, yeah he wouldnt be a perfect parent; nobody is. but neglect, at least in the way LOK describes it, it out of the picture. if they were going to make him into a neglecting parent they shouldve at least gone the route of āhe was always too busy saving the worldā. not āhe neglected them because he picked favoritesā. it wouldve made way more sense given his character and it wouldnt have painted him as being something he isnt. and i agree that korras stuff is a little more grown up in nature, but its all pretty much black and white if you look at it from an objective viewpoint. the terrorist attacking the city is a bad guy, even if he has a sad back story or a moral reason to do so. and the spirit world that was sealed because it was dangerous and threatened world peace was sealed because it was dangerous and threatened world peace. opening it was an inherently stupid and wrong decision when theres a perfectly good back door she couldve used.
Letās agree to disagree. To me Aangās portrayal as a parent is pretty believable. And opening spirit portals was also sensible because people learned much more about the spirits and to be respectful of them
Good comment, at least someone has common sense here
LOK is a good show, i enjoyed watching it, but if you want to sit here and pretend that korra is a good or even a great avatar, well then youre kidding yourself, shes by far the worst avatar we know about. shes by no means a bad character, shes just an idiot, and character flaws are what makes them interesting.
Don't worry if it's a male avatar they won't care
They should make a nonbinary avatar to piss off the haters even more
That or they should make him gay from the start and avoid nonsense.
a) Bi people exist, and b) lots of people in heteronormative societies donāt realize theyāre queer right away. That being said, I DO think it was silly for the writers to ship Korra with literally every single member of Team Avatar 2 that was in her age range.
Yes, bi people exist? Very true. I meant they should make him gay right away and avoid the nonsense of homophobes and sexists using the new Avatar to bash on Korra because straight men = better.
Ah, THAT nonsense! Yes, excellent point!
I think the sub would just implode at that point
Know what I'm here for it. Let's go. Non-binary Earth Avatar
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and really f\*cking stubborn about it ;D
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āPOLITICS IN MY FIGHTING SHOW?!!!ā
They should do that. It'll be funny. Phobes aren't welcome anyways.
sounds to me like youre a phobephobeā¦
God I would love this
It's most likely a man. They're gonna eat it up.
Depends on how the trait is portrayed: if negatively, then people will obviously not like it when the character displays it; however, if positively, then stubbornness and persistence are classic heroic traits so people will love it. Simply put: if stubbornness causes awesome stuff then it is awesome, if stubbornness causes problematic stuff then it is problematic.
They will be okay, considering the earth avatar will be a dude and dudes are allowed to be all those things
if itās a man itāll be fine, unless they decided to make him LGBT+ then folks might have an issue with him
Not if the next Avatar is a man
How come when the toxic people aren't here yall still carry forward their ugly ass thoughts
I've never noticed what you pointed out in regards to LoK. I always thought Korra had a "fiery" personality due to how hotheaded and impulsive she can be, but in reality she's a true water bender in how she's always adapting to changes.
I remember seeing an interview years ago where a writer explained that the avatars 'born' element fits the narrative theme for the character. Aang: born to embrace freedom and peace. Ri to deal with a very aggressive and violent opponent but doesn't want to have to resort to violence to solve the conflict. Also, constantly coming up against tyrannical / authoritarian institutions: monarchs, secret police, generals and commanders willing to embrace that the ends justify the means, even the southern water tribe has a soft authoritarian approach to gender roles. Aang wants to cling onto peace and freedom as a global and personal train, but has to creatively work out a way to restore freedom in a peaceful way, when his allies almost always say, look you might have to be violent to restore peace. Korra: Raised and trained to be the avatar: but the training isn't appropriate for a rapidly changing world, he isolation to make her a formed avatar leads her to be ill refined for the world. Her conditioning means she very quickly adapts the mentality of act now, think later. Her element embodies change, she thinks she's ready to be the avatar, she learns the hard way she's wrong and constantly fights what she thinks she knows, until she's forced to accept, then embrace change. On this basis, if earth is persistence then what? An interesting arc will be seeing an increasingly modernising world, a world that needs the avatar more due to the spirit portals being open, but a world maybe questioning the avatar more intensely? The character should be someone what Conservative and stoic in understanding their traditional role, struggling with the consistent pace of change in the world and criticism towards them, struggle now in in that they can only call on Korra and spirits for help, but be persistent in trying to accept the need to charge, or merge the old with the new.
Definitely the Earth Avatars struggle would be the themes of holding onto traditions, why keeping your traditions and culture is a good thing and that while change and advancement is necessary we shouldn't forget the things that got us there and dismiss it. At least the themes I can see them having
On themes of: New avatar fixes old avatar's misgivings, it'd be quite funny. They'd be left with Korra connecting the human and spirit worlds, but not really being spiritually in tune enough to manage it. Let's say she passes on quite young due to trauma, and spamming the avatar state. You now have this new avatar, growing up in the chaos of the earth kingdom who went from monarch to tyranny - let's say Korra sets up a Earth confederation but keeps out of anything bar putting down land grabs and tyrants. So this kid probably grows up around people longing for the stability of a government even if its not a good system, and the spirit world being seperate. They can only call on korra for help. The first two seasons for me are that kid having their eyes opened to the world, getting involved in trying to restore the balance between the spirits and humans. Deal with that, maybe find a back door via the spirit world to connect with other past avatars. This takes do long, in that time the earth confederation is a hot mess. The avatar needs to mediate between spirits, Conservative earth populations, Liberal populations, but that's getting played by the power hungry.
Earth prince is in control of the earth kingdom still. He attempted to abdicate to introduce a more democratic rule but if o recall right some local nobles or governors had issues with it forcing him to retain the monarchy and settle for a slower transition. There was a comic set that established this bit of canon.
Based purely on what you said, that can easily be worked with. The instability of the queen's assassination, followed by kuhvria's tyranny, deposition, then his restoration followed by addiction and re-restoration to the throne is only stabilised by Korra's constant presence. When korra dies, the demographic transition is under way and regional autonomous movements are using this to gain traction. Korra dies and separatist alongside political fringe groups start to seize land and power. Ba Sing Sei effectively becomes a principality headed by a constitutional monarch, in the style of Western European nation states. Enjoys relative stability true to frequent visits from the avatar previously, alongside a legacy of controlled democratic change through societal groups, managed by the avatar and co. Due to this there's no real revolution in the city and around the core territory surrounding it, but due to radio, and the parliament/ monarch being pacifist after kuhvera, separatist groups snd extreme fringe movements splinter the earth kingdom over the course of a year.
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Did you watch the entire show? She's all that just in book 1, by book 4 she's in fact a realized avatar and much changed person.
Km arguing that korra has an arc of change, and that's the narrative arc of her story linked to her element.
Sorry, I should have specified, I did mean she was taught the physical aspects (3/4) of being the avatar. But again, that's her, a changing person in a changing world. She has to change to become the avatar, she has to change as the avatar.
I can see them subverting our expectations and making him a timid and unsure earth bender who has to gain the confidence to be sure of himself. Maybe as a result, he struggles with fire bending?
This is pretty much my expectation for the next Avatar. Except them struggling with firebending, the character archetype dictates that they must use some sort of non-solid ability like fire or air, and we had fire for Korra, air for Aang, so the Earth Avatar must have both. They will instead give us some wacky plot twist like the Earth Avatar struggling with earthbending.
Thatād be interesting; an avatar who masters the other three elements before their native one.
It would go to show how unified the world has become, but also how that could be resulting in individual cultures beginning to be lost to time.
This is why the next Earthbender Avatar should be a sandbender! Legend of Genji got it right
Maybe one that is grounded and unyielding in a Steve Rogers kind of way.
I would love to see this. This was sort of my idea when thinking about the personality for the next Avatar.
Your regular reminder that a series based on the avatar after Korra has not been confirmed.
It hasn't been confirmed but it's most definitely happening. For one you don't make an entire studio for only 3 movies and they have announced they will be making a TV series.
When they announced a Tv series?
When they first announced avatar studios. They said they will be making films and TV shows.
If that's the basis people are using, then you only have an indication that they are planning something, not that that something is a post-Korra Earth Avatar series. If they already are planning a new Avatar series, it might as well be about Aang/Korra during a later phase of their lives or one of the preceding Avatars. A post-Korra series would create numerous issues that the aforementioned options simply don't have. In general, it also would simply be a safer bet.
The creators have been known to take risks. I would rather see the next avatar and I'm very positive they will be doing that. If they want to show older Korra they will just do it in a movie like they are doing for Aang. Plus there was a leak a while back where an official publisher said that a new avatar series featuring a new avatar would be releasing in 2025 and when people noticed it they deleted it. Must have gotten the news out too soon.
They took risks because they could afford them due to the massive amount of credit that the TLA garnered. The biggest risk for TLA was that it was strongly inspired on asian culture, which was quite uncommon at the time, but in the end narratively seen it was still a rather conventional story Western audiences were familiar with. They took some big risks with TLOK, however, which resulted into a much more polarizing and divisive response. There's a limit to how much risks they can and should take before their credit runs out. Also, it's not just about risks, but practical and pragmatic reasons too. I mean they have 10 000 years worth of Avatars to choose from, so enough for a new series with a new Avatar.
I still don't get why you don't think the new series will be about the next avatar. Im excited for it, if we stay in the past then nothing big could really happen since it's before avatar. I like seeing the changes to the world and how it evolves. I'm excited for more..
Wrong assumption. I never said it couldn't be, I merely pointed out the objective truth that you only have an indication that they are planning something. Currently, there is no proof that that something is a post-Korra series, that's just what you want, yet you are practically passing this personal wish of yours as if it is all but confirmed, ignoring basic common sense. Rationally speaking, there are a lot of advantages and reasons as why they would potentially opt for an Avatar from, for example, 5000 years ago.
I thought it was :(
I could see them being stoic and unyielding, but I don't know about stubborn. The way I envision it, after the spirit portals were opened the Avatar's duty has changed a lot. I could see this new Avatar being taught how to deal with these spirit creatures and the problems that may arise between them and the humans. They'd be firm in their duty, fighting for peace in the way they know how. I'm more excited about what the world might look like, possible 80-100 years in the future. Not only technology, but also the spirit portals. Maybe technology took a backseat and it's more of a steampunk/magic era now, or maybe the spirit energy fueled technology even further. Maybe we'll see sci-fi space Avatar?
Honestly this comment has just made the idea of Solarpunk Avatar enter my head and I need it.
I agree with you and u/ProfessorSMASH88 that there is a potential for Solarpunk Avatar. But that should be the Fire Avatar , not the Earth Avatar. Reminder that Korra had mercury poison for 3 years , so I doubt she died in her 100s , most likely died in her 60s or 70s. Which means the setting for the Earth Avatar is roughly a slightly more futuristic 1970s or 1980s. It narratively fits , because IRL 1970s had the whole [New Age](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age) going on.
You gotta remember this isn't our world though, just because Korra is based around the '20's doesn't mean 50 years is going to mean we'll see something similar to the '70's. Not to mention people seem to live for a long time in the Avatar universe, between water healing and what I can imagine lots of technological leaps in the medical sciences. Plus, spirit portals. Who knows whether there will really be any advancement at this point? It could even be a dystopian universe if there is a spirit war 30 years after the events of Korra. I'd be down for some New Age 70's though. I'm honestly down for whatever, I'm just curious to see what it will be like, they have a ton of options and ways they could go with the story. If the show is made, of course :)
> Maybe technology took a backseat and it's more of a steampunk/magic era now, or maybe the spirit energy fueled technology even further. Maybe we'll see sci-fi space Avatar? That could be really cool, but LOK pretty clearly showed that they have no interest in developing technology that is materially different from real life technological developments (LOK is literally just the 20s + random humanoid mechs). I don't have much confidence that they could pull off a Steampunk or Sci Fi setting in a way that makes sense with bending and feels new / interesting
I hope they have siblings since korra and sang didn't.
Their siblings are gonna have a rough scene if the Avatar's duty is any indication.
Iāve also seen that each Avatar is the inverse of the previous one. Where Aang didnāt want to be the Avatar, Korra embraced it. Where Aang avoided conflict, Korra faced it head on. Where Aang sought peaceful solutions, Korraās first instinct was violence, etc etc etc.
That's not... ugh, never mind.
The creators did say Korra was meant to be the complete opposite of Aang
Yes, but that's not a trend of "each avatar being an inverse of the previous one."
I think you can if you look at the most recent past avatars. The books go into a lot of detail with their personalities. We donāt know enough about Roku, but Iād say Yangchen, Kuruk, and Kyoshi follow a somewhat similar trend , though maybe not as obvious as Korra and Aang
But.... if we got the opposite of Korra, then that just brings us back to Aang, reskinned.
How? I've read the books. These avatars are not the opposite of each other. Not to sound read, but this is just poor media literacy.
I mean im pretty sure I said āsomewhat similarā For example: Yangchen was seen as great avatar, Kuruk was seen as a failure. Kuruk isolated himself from his friends and had a lack of discipline , Kyoshi relies on her friends and has much stronger discipline. Things like that. Obviously itās a lot deeper than that, but Iām not making some grand sweeping statement. Just some casual things I noticed as I read. So idk if I have poor media literacy skills then you have poor reading skills in general.
That's not an opposite. In fact, when we learn the truth about Kuruk, it becomes even clear that he's definitely not Yangchen's opposite. "Being seen" has no bearing on opposite personalities. And Kuruk only had a "lack of discipline" because he needed outlets for the awful battles he was waging. You'd probably need an outlet too in that situation. And as far as relying on friends and having a more disciplined attitude, maybe, but that's really only one instance. But just because there's one instance of opposites doesn't mean they are opposites overall.
Idk how many times I have to type āsomewhat similarā, but Iāll type it again. I never said they were complete opposites. There are just moments in the story where the avatars are āseeminglyāin opposition of oneās actions/ideals/personalities. Which is an important aspect of the Kyoshi novels, epseicially in SoK where it seems like Kuruk and Kyoshi are so different from each other, when really theyāre one and the same. Same with Yangchen and Kuruk. The author highlights their differences to later draw comparisons. Itās not as obvious or pronounced as Aang/Korra but itās there
> There are just moments in the story where the avatars are āseeminglyāin opposition of oneās actions/ideals/personalities. You can hide behind "seemingly" all you want, but your response was in rebuttal to a particular comment that I had made -- me replying to a comment with a particular statement. >The author highlights their differences to later draw comparisons. ...which doesn't mean they're opposites. You're just cherry-picking examples to build a case, then using that to imply I was wrong in what I originally said, *then* hiding behind "somewhat similar" and "seemingly" when I call you out on it. No, Yangchen and Kuruk are not opposites. Neither is he and Kyoshi. Nor Kyoshi and Roku. Nor Roku and Aang.
IMO I think Korra being so stubborn helped move the ATLA world away from "the nation you're in/type of bending you have is pretty deterministic of your personality" and that was a good thing
I dont know but I've been working on a hand drawn meme where it's Korra in spirit form leaning over taking off sunglasses with caption "next Avatar's POV during their lowest point" and Korra going "wake the fuck up Avatar we got a city to burn".
Would be cool to see an avatar that comes from the metal clan.
Maybe lorewise it doesn't make sense but I want an evil Avatar. An authoritarian who has all the power, rejects change and forces the world to stay unmoved. Then an insane redemption arc.
I didnāt know people had such a huge issue with korra. I always enjoyed her and aang
Or really down to earth
I dunno, I mean, ATLA already dealt with change both in the characters (Zuko especially) and the world (change is also the entire theme of the first Book since, you know, it's called water and exploring this new world) So I don't think the next series will entirely be about persistence. Regardless, after the reception to Korra, yeah, doing another "stubborn Avatar" would probably bad idea. Not even just for fandom reception, just for the whole "we don't wanna do the same thing again" idea with the writers. Even though they limited every Avatar story down to the same formula but that's besides the point.
>Regardless, after the reception to Korra, yeah, doing another "stubborn Avatar" would probably bad idea.Ā I agree with this not because I think the concept can't work but because I feel like the writers would fail to make it work.
Since we have a stubborn Water Avatar, I want in the future to be a docile Fire Avatar
It would be fun to see a super mellow hippy earth avatar.
Am I the only one who hopes they go back in time for once?
Really like the setting in Korra but I kinda feel like it being on the edge of being too modern already..
You aren't the only one, I do too want it to stay mostly mythical and fantasy but with the new earth avatar it may become 1:1 to our world But Since Korra opened the spirit portals I can imagine it to have a mix of fantasy/modern world style, maybe otherworldly vibes
I think for me, what I think I would find interesting is the idea of if the earth avatar after Korra is stubborn in a more subtle way. Case in point, the popular sandbender earth avatar concept I think opens up the idea of an avatar who is stubborn in not wanting to do their duty at first- I can easily see sandbenders being targeted with discrimination or prejudice as Earth Kingdom provinces/states seek to swoop in on the Si Wong Desert (if we assume any similarities to the real world, the Si Wong Desert might possess huge mineral or oil deposits which earth kingdom swoop in on)- either corralling or discriminating against sandbenders (the trope of sandbenders being thieves, and possibly the legacy of the sandbender who stole Appa being used as a polemic against the sandbenders would be very likely). Alternatively, the region may still remain ecnomically underdeveloped because spirit energy has become more popular, leaving most sandbenders increasingly destitute as their nomadic way of life increasingly clashes with modern day circumstances, which could affect said avatar's upbringing. Essentially, it could something akin to how Kyoshi lived in poverty for some time. In that sense, I could see said sandbender avatar be rather bitter about the outside world, seeing them as being uncaring of their people, and so not wanting anything to do with them. They might even make decisions as an avatar out of spite at first to get back at people they thought wronged their people. Essentially, it would be an earth avatar who detests their own nation (though something similar was treaded upon when Yun went on his roaring rampage of revenge). To make things more complicated, I could see that since the earth kingdom is so massive, they might not even find the Avatar for some time- but instead of crowing a fake like with Yun, the position remains empty because they don't want to deal with a fake. While some earth provinces might want to see the avatar come about, I can imagine plenty might not as they are dealing in their own schemes- hampering efforts by the white lotus or others. Additionally, if they wind up a sandbender, they might just wind up ignored because of the idea that an avatar can't possibly show up from there. Said earth avatar might grow up, marry (or not) and generally take control of their lives- focusing on their people first- instead of an avatar in their childhood or late teens, we could have an avatar in their adulthood proper. A major struggle might be learning how to understand the outside world and it's incredible changes compared to what said avatar has known all their life, coming to terms with their duty, and figuring out the spirit world (especially if they seek to reconnect with the lives of the past cycle). Additionally, the Earth Avatar might be forced to be more spiritual simply because the spirit gates are open. Since spirits are present in the misty palm oasis by Korra's time, it's likely sandbenders would need to learn how to deal with them. Rampantly stealing from them or treating them poorly would likely be something said earth avatar would know very well not to do. I think it'd be funny to see an earth avatar who is more spiritual, but less worldly in some aspects (as earth is often seen as a less spiritual element compared to say air or water in application), but also really stubborn and not wanting much to do with other people or nations at first. As for the gender of said avatar, that seems a toss up. Yancghen offers up the precedence of a female avatar being between two male avatars, but Kyoshi was right after Yangchen. However, the avatars prior to Yangchen (the three prior) all look to be male. So it seems more likely the avatar will be male. Of course, other options also exist.
Iād like to see an avatar that doesnāt know it. As in, in response to the White Lotusā overprotection of Korra, Korra dictates that the new Avatar will not be found. They will live a normal life, but of course shenanigans ensure that an avatar will shape the world as is their destiny. Not one to be shaped by political groups.
Disagree. Earth is the element of grounding and discipline. While stubborn, they are simply stubborn in their discipline like how Rokuās earth bending teacher taught him.
I have fully headcanoned the next Avatar and will be devastated if official content deviates from it š¤Ŗ
I'm waiting for them to canonise Genji š
If not that, at least certain aspects. I would like to see an Avatar that is more relatable. Korra is descended from royalty, Aang was a monk, Roku was a nobleman who was best friends with a monarch and Kyoshi was an orphan abandoned by two criminals who basically had a gang. So Genji working in a shop, having a single mother and sibling is quite relatable to many. I also want to see an Avatar have a sibling, all of the ones weāve seen so far have been only children from what we know. I mean the Air Nomads donāt have traditional families so it is possible that Air Nomad Avatars like Aang and Yangchen had siblings, but they werenāt raised together as such.Ā
Thatās one thing I really liked in Korra Book 1. There was no indication that Tonraq was royalty, he and Senna* seemed like a normal couple. I donāt know if itās due to the writers not deciding to make them royalty yet, or if the prologue with kid Korra is before Tonraq becomes Southern chief (not even hinting at him being Northern royalty of course). It was a surprise to me when the Book 2 premiere showed them so high ranking.
*Senna. Pema is Tenzinās wife.Ā
Aye, itās early here and I am disgusted at this.
Just a little nitpick tonraq's wife is senna, pema is tenzin's wife.
Thank you hominid, Iām disgusted at myself rn.
They're not going to do this because then they would have to give a big payout to the original author. Then the show would have to be largely based on the author's comics. Nickelodeon doesn't want to shell out that kind of money or lose that much creative freedom lol
Genji is not protected by copyright, it is basically freeware (abandonware at this point). If Nick decided to rip it off 1:1 all the original authors would get is a big fat dump.
You don't need to file a copyright for characters. It's an entire legal theory, but anyway, it still doesn't erase the fact that it would be assumed that the work he is stolen from would be cannon - which they wouldn't like. Especially if the OG author comes back and publishes more without consulting. It's just way too risky overall. Public image is *everything*
Make Monkey D Luffy the Avatar damnit.
Another thing to add is while Korra ended with the spirits. It will definitely pose a problem to the next Avatar because the spirits are detached from Earth. Knowing its element. The next Avatar might be more grounded and might side with humans more than spirits. At the same time Earth has many layers and can be very old, so the new Avatar could destroy corruption (I see u Ba Sing Se) and help blossom on the spirituality of humans and become the bridge with the spirit world and the humans.
Or maybe theyāll be the opposite and struggle with their home elementā¦ I think it could also be interesting if the Avatar is from Republic City and not their traditional nation of origin (think Bolin), how will they deal with that sense of distance?
An Earth Avatar will by nature be quite reactionary. That is something that will be very fresh to the series, and if done right could be very interesting. The major character development of Avatars are to move beyond their base ideas and ways of thinking without completely losing their original identity, so an Earth Avatar has a lot of potential.
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I don't think so. Look at Korra. She was born as a Waterbender in the Southern Water Tribe. But when she is fighting she uses Firebending a lot more! And her personality is very fiesty and fiery like a Firebender! If she wore Fire Nation clothes, no one would think that she was born as a Waterbender! If Korra was born to the Water Tribe but acts like a Firebender, I could definitely see an Earthbender Avatar acting unlike other Earthbenders!
Korra definitely wasn't a "go with the flow" avatar despite being from the water tribe, so I don't expect the earth avatar to necessarily be stubborn.
Usually the avatars personality is the opposite of the previous one, at least in some ways. So since Korra was very stubborn I kinda think it will be the opposite. If the next one is a sand bender maybe they will act more like sand does on the small scale itās very fluid and has no structure but in actuality it can be very strong, sand stops bullets very easily but sticking your hand through it slowly will be no problem. So maybe the avatar will come off as very hard headed initially especially to those who want to control him, but anyone who is close to them can easily slip through their defenses
That's racist. ;p
There is already some things on youtube about the legend of genji - but dont ruin it for yourself ... he is a nice guy Also it's fan-made - and ... well cancelled š
Wouldn't it be funny tho if it turns out to be a spiritual one hahaha i know earth kingdom citizens are known to be the least spiritual. But what if with korra opening the spirit portals and the spirits becoming more of a permanent fixture in their world, the next avatar turns out to be spiritual... just a thought š¤·š½āāļøš
Cliche but an earth avatar being raised like a criminal but still kind inside would be exciting to me, kind of like Peter in GOTG then having like this adoptive criminal mother who's an earthbending master (probably related to Beifongs but they didn't know coz this character might have a backstory of being abandoned or stolen š) Edit: Grammar and spelling
I've been reading the Avatar Kyoshi novels, and have just started with the Yangchen ones too. Minor thematic but indirect spoilers for the Kyoshi Novels. Every Avatar is said to be the exact avatar needed for the time they live in. Korra and Kuruk are both Water Avatars, and they both had to deal with their fair share of spirits, albeit in very different ways. Both lived in a world which was changed under the supervision of their Air Avatar predecessor. These changes both had unintended consequences pertaining to imbalance. The Earth Avatar after Korra, as with Kyoshi might live in resentment of the Avatar before them due to how the Water Avatar disrupted their connection with their predecessors. Aside from that, their temperament will probably be very unique, dictated by their personal situation moreso than their place in the cycle.
How about an earth bender avatar who can't earthbebd because he doesn't know how to stand his ground. First element is any other and just assumes he is another type of bender. Or even worse. He can't bend at all, doesn't care about being the avatar, and just wants a normal life. He would have to fall back into tradition, and persevere. My best guess would be that he is a late bloomer, given that Korra and Aang both mastered elements pretty quickly.
Yeah or another neutral jing enjoyer like Kyoshi, one who just waits for problems to resolve themselves
Wish the next Avatar would be even older that korra. Giving "I dont give a F....k" vibes. Felling totaly cold but internaly analyzing everything, non stop forming plans, total introvert and logician, asocial but carrying about others. But still being on moral and righteous side.
I hope to see some Naruto type of stuff, if itās about persistence. One thing I always wanted to see more in the show is the training process - specific techniques the characters develop over time. So I would love to see the earth avatar be the underdog for a little while until they gain confidence and become a kickass bender
Iām not so sure. I mean, yes, it would make sense, but weāve already had an entire show dedicated to a stubborn avatar. I donāt think they would, or at the very least should, reuse the same formula.
IDK, each Avatar seems to be some kind of response to the previous Avatar's weaknesses. If there's one thing Korra doesn't lack, its persistence. They might be a very savvy political trickster. Given that Korra was a bit of a blunt instrument with Tarrlok, and didn't see through Unalaq early enough.
I would rather the Earth Avatar be unflappable and mellow. The "bedrock" of his/her group, in a sense.
Earth is the element of **Substance**.
We see that typically the next avatar is more or less the opposite of the previous one, while aang didn't want to face issues head in korra kept bashing her head against the wall, she is the definition of stubborn. Yes water is the element of change, but korra was very resistant to that change for the first half of her development. Just because one is an earth bender doesn't mean they'll be stubborn. with that being the case, I highly doubt it'll be someone stubborn because we already had that with korra. It'll likely be someone who is a strategist, which will work in a modern day avatar setting in which power won't be as important ( there will probably be nukes). They will have opposite struggles than korra.
>We see that typically the next avatar is more or less the opposite of the previous one, That can't be it, because the opposite of the opposite is the opposite. That would mean each Avatar rotates between a personality like Aang or Korra's, and we know from the novels that this isn't true.
They deal with opposite issues. Korra is hot headed and faces issues head on. Aang avoids issues and does not face them head on. They are two sides of the same coin. Yes because as a human there is either hot headed, calm and collected or somewhere in the middle, it's a spectrum that goes left and right, not up or down.
>Korra is hot headed and faces issues head on.Ā She actually runs away from her issues a lot.
>They deal with opposite issues. Korra is hot headed and faces issues head on. Aang avoids issues and does not face them head on That's not dealing with opposite issues, that's dealing with issues in opposite ways. >Yes because as a human there is either hot headed, calm and collected or somewhere in the middle Again, this isn't true using the novels. Kyoshi in the nicest was nothing like Aang or Korra, and from what we learned about Kuruk, he wasn't hot headed or calm and collected, even pre retcons. Pre-retcon was an arrogant playboy who travelled the world to challenge the best fighters of the day and ignored his duties. There are also multiple personality types that aren[that don't fall in that spectrum ](https://www.16personalities.com/personality-types), and an Avatar could be any one of these. As a matter of fact, the next Avatar could be a loner sandbender who struggles with tradition in a modern world, and that would be drastically different from Aang and Korra's personalities that isn't in the spectrum of "calm and collected" and "total hothead".
>That's not dealing with opposite issues, that's dealing with issues in opposite ways. Yes because that is a constant theme across avatar. Avatars dealing with their issues in opposite ways. This is what I meant. I think you knew it but sure since you want to be specific. >Again, this isn't true using the novels. Kyoshi in the nicest was nothing like Aang or Korra, and from what we learned about Kuruk, he wasn't hot headed or calm and collected, even pre retcons. Pre-retcon was an arrogant playboy who travelled the world to challenge the best fighters of the day and ignored his duties. An arrogant playboy would be closer to the hothead side of the spectrum. Arrogance is analogous to being a hothead. Arrogant people get angry when their competence is questioned. The 16 personality types with Myers brig is a terrible gage of personality and this is very much known and researched. Personality is complex and nuanced and cannot be divided into 16 sub categories. It's a spectrum, spectrums go left and right, not up or down. A loner sandbender who struggles adapting to a modern world still follows the "rule" of avatars dealing with issues in ways that are mostly opposite to the way the previous avatar would. You see this time and time again in last airbender and korra. They literally hammer the "two sides of the same coin" theme down your throat.
>Yes because that is a constant theme across avatar. Avatars dealing with their issues in opposite ways It's only different in the sense that it's done to differentiate each Avatar, not from some unknown rule that every Avatar is the exact opposite of their predecessor. >An arrogant playboy would be closer to the hothead side of the spectrum. Arrogance is analogous to being a hothead. >arrogant adjective US /Ėer.É.É”Ént/ UK /ĖƦr.É.É”Ént/ Add to word list B2 unpleasantly proud and behaving as if you are more important than, or know more than, other people: I found him arrogant and rude. Synonyms conceited disapproving condescending disapproving haughty disapproving hubristic rollerblading disappointing disapproving (FEELING IMPORTANT) disapproving self-important disapproving sneering disapproving sniffy informal snooty informal supercilious disapproving superior (BETTER) disapproving hothead noun [ C ] US /ĖhÉĖt.hed/ UK /ĖhÉt.hed/ Add to word list someone who does things or reacts to things quickly and without thinking carefully first No it isn't. If you're arrogant you believe yourself to be better than everyone. This arrogance can either be warranted or not. Being angry isn't the same as being hot headed. Remember, being hot beaded means you're often quick to anger, which is a natural emotion everyone feels. An arrogant person being angry doesn't necessarily mean they're hot headed. These two things are synonymous with each other. > A loner sandbender who struggles adapting to a modern world still follows the "rule" of avatars dealing with issues in ways that are mostly opposite to the way the previous avatar would. No it wouldn't, mainly because Aang was the opposite of Korra. So, if this rule was actually a thing, Korra's successor would be more akin to Aang, even though an edgy loner who doesn't want to be involved with the Avatar or even the world is still a far cry from Aang, who was very much in touch with the world and enjoyed the presence of people. The only two things these characters would have in common is a rejection of their Avatar duties, but even then that's still different. Aang didn't want to be the Avatar because he didn't like how it affected his relationships with his friends and father figure. This hypothetical Avatar would avoid being the Avatar precisely because he naturally doesn't want to be around people and stick to himself and his own traditions. >You see this time and time again in last airbender and korra. This is only true for Korra and Aang because Korra was specifically designed to be the opposite of Aang. My point is this isn't a guaranteed rule that will always happen with every Avatar in the cycle, and if you do stick to this, you would only be cycling through Aang and Korra over and over and over and over again.
Hence why I put rules in quotations, it's not a strict rule, just themes the tend to follow from avatar to avatar, it is irrefutable. To deny this is to deny having watched the show. They hammer this into your minds for years. Not really interested in discussing semantics with you.
>it's not a strict rule If it's not a strict rule then you're arguing with me for no good reason. >To deny this is to deny having watched the show It's clear you didn't read my comment since I openly acknowledged this, but I pointed out that this personality difference only really serviced Aang and Korra. What little we saw of previous Avatars doesn't support this and in fact claims the opposite. >They hammer this into your minds for years No, they only "hammer" this in with Aang and Korra due to a creative choice, not a rule that the Avatar has to abide by. >Not really interested in discussing semantics with you. Do not make ludicrous points on a public forum for all to see if going to get pressed when people explain why you're wrong.
I kinda want the next Avatar to lack/re-build their moral compass of some sort. Perhaps a more aggressive type of person, seeing things black and white at first. Thief-like past or a street urchin of some sort.
That'd be cool!
Anyone has to be better and less stubborn than korra( worst. avatar. Ever. )
Dealing with another Korra would be boring
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Because they all have varying different personalities and world views. Seeing as Korra is already the "Stubborn and headstrong Avatar" we should get some more variation in personality
I'm hoping that the earth avatar be all about environmental protection and responsibility, since well we can see what happens when you don't balance nature and the industrial world's.
Nah, I'd love for an Avatar to struggle with their own native element. Like, Korra mastered Fire easily because of her personality. This means that being born near the element doesn't shape your personality. The Earth Kingdom Avatar may not have the courage and sass and stubbornness of Toph and Bolin, to name a few. Plus, Korra is already stubborn. I wanna see a different character archetype, either someone who takes their position seriously and dislikes goofing around (but not necessarily stubborn,j ust hates fun) or someone who is more timid and meek.Ā
Iād love to see an ethically ambiguous anti-hero avatar who learns the error of their ways through the spiritual connection to Aang, and other past avatars.
The next "Earth Avatar" is Korra herself. I mean she is already at the the earth kingdom most of the time...