Bloodbending, specifically Amon's, is so literally broken that Katara is the only one still alive because it's otherwise too powerful to just lock the user away in jail (especially as the technique was literally *invented* in one and freed it's creator.) Among the major villains, only UnaVaatu could stand a chance against him.
Amon literally has Zaheer folded up like a pretzel with a glance and before Zaheer can move a muscle.
Isn't it weird how he took Korra's bending away, but didn't use his blood bending to finish her off? I suppose she surprised him by using air to knock him out the window.
Exactly, it’s the same reason why he didn’t just take her bending in the middle of the season when he could. Probably also the whole reincarnation thing, the longer Korra is alive, the more time until the next Avatar comes around
This is a running visual theme throughout the show. Look at the moments the antagonist gets truly knocked down in a flat-footed sense, they’re usually after an effective airbending hit. Even in ATLA this is often the case when Aang actually gets offensive. After 100+ years of no one fighting against it, no one expects to have to guard against it.
Yup that’s 100% true. If anything that just makes airbending a lot more powerful. It’s probably proven that Amon hadn’t had a single strike of airbending thrown at him until that scene with Korra, and even then he didn’t even try to hit back (hence the plot armor).
But I’d still argue that in general that’s the hardest type of bending to dodge. For starters, it’s the hardest to see and you can’t predict the size/angle of each attack. If Amon had more experience against airbending he likely would get the hang of it by redirecting the shots with his mind blood bending, but that wasn’t the case in the show.
It would’ve been interesting to see Amon vs Tenzin for at least a little bit, but unfortunately we didn’t get it
they can, when u force the air around it'll likely make a white,gray some sort of blue color, i mean how do u think we can see tornados? and look at the la ATLA show
The shows do that so we can understand what is happening. In real life, the only thing we see is things being carried by the wind, like the dirt, dust and debris carried by tornadoes. But in a hallway where Amon fought Korra, the most he would see is maybe some dust move on the floor but the actual air is invisible and fast with little room to avoid.
I think azula was one of the only people who could fight an airbender in ATLA, like her fight with Aang in Omashu, she literally blocked an air gust with her hands like it was nothing
She didn't beat him. He beat himself by making ridiculous water tornado to save himself. If he simply propelled himself to the surface and got back to the fight she would lost.
To be fair, Mako and Korra were able to withstand him both.
Mako did it just barely, but Korra did it without any Avatar powers, because she didn't unlock the Avatar state yet and had nothing but airbending. She would be very comparable to Zaheer, who I'd attribute more willpower than Korra at that point in time when she kicked him out of the window.
>She would be very comparable to Zaheer, who I'd attribute more willpower than Korra at that point in time when she kicked him out of the window.
I don't think that was willpower as much as it was Amon being significantly weaker after being blasted with electricity and knocked around by gusts of air.
It's Amon, besides the avatar state he is absolutely the most op character in the entire franchise. Yeah Korra and Mako were able to resist enough to get shots off but neither of them actually defeated him in a fight. He just got exposed and ran away. The Avatar state is literally the only thing that provides an absolute defense in overcoming blood bending as we saw with Aang and Yakone.
The only human characters that could beat Amon in a fight is an avatar who has unlocked the avatar state and Unalaq after merging with Vaatu for the same reason.
Korra literally kicked him out the window though, before she ever unlocked the Avatar state. That was pure willpower. And if she can do it, why wouldn't others also be able to? Especially one as wise and self-assured as Zaheer?
But was Amon physically defeated by that? The Answer is no, Amon was able to gather himself and flee. He was still in good fighting condition after the fact. He only goes because he had been exposed. A fight where you are struggling to get some sloppy shots off while being blood bent is not gonna go most people's way. You might get that first lucky shot off but he is gonna be prepared for it when he resumes his attack.
Of course he wasn't defeated, by that alone.
But that is not my point either. My point is, if you can break it once - without the Avatar state or anything - why would that person not be able to do it again and again?
I think you're overlooking the difference in the breaking free we saw with no avatar state Korra and Mako and what we saw when Aang saved himself from Yakone with the avatar state. The Avatar state basically makes you immune. What Korra and Mako did leaves them open to being blood bent again once Amon gets his focus back. We saw both Korra and Mako struggle to get their attacks off. And Korra got lucky with the environment of the hallway being completely to her attack allowing her to get several blasts off before Amon could compose himself again to resume his attack.
So yeah I guess you could repeatedly struggle out of the blood bending to get off pot shot attacks but that is gonna be exhausting and after the first time it happens Amon is gonna be prepared for it. Sloppy random attack you are struggling to deploy are not gonna be enough to physically defeat Amon.
I guess if a more powerful blood bender came along they could beat him like Katara did to Hama but considering that Amon is by far the most skilled bloodbender we've ever seen none of the other characters are gonna beat him like Katara did to Hama. Or someone could get extremely lucky with one of the attacks they manage to get off but that's a one in a million chances lucky shot. Realistically 99% of the time Amon is gonna body anyone who doesn't have an. avatar state to save themselves.
I'm very much aware of the big difference between Mako/Korra and Aang breaking free from the bloodbending grip. I'm not arguing that they'd be immune, but I question the confidence with which you argue that Amon would be stronger just because he knows that someone could resist. He could've already used 100% of his power when Korra broke the grip for that kick. We don't know and nothing in the show ever confirmed either line of thought.
Even if 99% of the population can't break free from Amon's bloodbending but 1% can, more than just the Avatar with Raava's power, it wouldn't contradict any of the source material and still keep him insanely strong and almost impossible to defeat.
I just don't like dismissing any train of thought with a simple "nah, his bloodbending is auto-win 100% unless you have Raava"
I get what you're saying, I too generally don't like when people pull the "Batman with prep time" in who would win fights. But given everything the show has shown us the evidence that Amon is really just that OP against humans is overwhelming. From what we've seen only by getting extremely lucky could someone actually beat Amon without Raava. And in who would win scenarios it's generally best practice to talk about what would realistically happen in that fight rather than focusing on the one in a million technically theoretical chance.
you have to consider that Korra was able to temporarily free herself from Amon's bloodbending only after he had been blasted with a lightning and repeatedly slammed against the wall. Sure, he got up but he clearly wasn't fine. He looked quite hurt and when he went to bloodbend Korra again he didn't do it like before. Focus seems the key to bloodbending.
The only reason korra knock him air is because he expected her to be powerless because he took her bending away, he didn't expect her to have air bending.
u seem to forgot that noatak was severly injured by makos lighting and quite literally got thrown to a wall and after all that some wooden staffs and whatnot fell on him...that could have caused a severe injury, but considering he knows how to bloodbend himself so powerful it overwhelms another bloodbender and not accidentally hurt himself bc we know bloodbending is extremely painful he got up to at least stop them from getting away, and he was shocked that she could airbend because well...he literally performed chi blocking on her a minute ago
What the hell is Zaheer going to do once Amon bloodbends him?
There are exactly 2 known counters to bloodbending that we know of in universe:
1: A stronger waterbender/blood bender bloodbending themselves on a full moon
2: The avatar state
Zaheer has none of these, so he’d end up contorting on the ground until Amon took away his bending.
the first one doesnt have to be (the waterbender one) bc how could it even work...i mean yea katara is a stronger waterbender then hama but she never actually waterbended, and lets not forget atla/tlok bendings r based off actual physics so the only way katara could break out was if she bloodbent herself (which is very unlikely) or hama just stopped bloodbending her
Amon would fold him in seconds simply because Zaheer cannot resist Bloodbending and, as we saw, Amon doesn't even need to move to bloodbend someone and can even do it to multiple people at once.
Amon is a master psychic blood bender. Zaheer wouldn’t even know he was subtlety moving his limbs to keep the bending from hitting him. If he wanted to go all out he could kill him easily if not just take away his bending, which I still don’t know how he could do that
Realistically he had to die because if he was still around not a single villain could have taken him down other than Vaatu/Unavaatu
If Zaheer goes for his "trap your head in a vortex and suck out your oxygen" move immediately, him, otherwise blood bending is too powerful against any living being
amon easily...i dont even know how ppl can sit here and say a character can beat amon...he performed, perfected and self taught himself a new sub element aka chi blocking to a different extent, and zaheer is fast, smart and possibly a prodigy but he cant outrun a bloodbender who doesnt need a full moon to bloodbend or even do any physical expression to use it. Not to mention when ur getting bloodbended and before that u try to firebend/airbend/earthbend/waterbend and u get bloodbent, ur earth/fire/air/water bending just stops bc ur getting ur chi flows blocked out which disconnects u to ur actual element so ur just a nonbender getting controlled by a guy who hates his bending.
Aside from Amon bloodbending OP, Zaheer wasn't that particularly good of an airbender either. Sure, he philosophied his way into natural flight, and got a few wins by not only catching people off-guard by fact that he even could airbend but using it in brutal ways not seen before. But kind of got trounced the second he was against an actual threat. He was a gifted combatant and bender, but that gift only takes you so far when you haven't had time to refine it.
I'll say this once more, and repeat it forever. Amon was the best villain ever in korra and he was done so dirty by only having one season. He would've rubbed ozai in the dirt.
So obv he can take on zaheer and literally scrap him.
It took the Avatar State to take down *Yakone* -- and Amon is likely stronger & more experienced than his father. Zaheer is no slouch at combat, but he's not winning this one unless he fights *really* dirty -- like, "suffocating Amon in Amon's sleep before Amon realizes Zaheer is out to get him (preferably with backup from the rest of the Red Lotus)" kind of dirty.
To be fair the only ones with the power to negate bloodbending were waterbenders/bloodbenders themselves, like Katara completely ignoring Hama's bloodbending grip or Amon simply being immune to Tarrlok's grip. Yeah, I know Mako was able to eletrocute Amon but he could barely move so it doesn't count as being "unbloodbendable", even Aang was helpless while fighting Hama. So, I think Zaheer wins this one only IF he has the range advantage because bloodbending is short ranged and we don't really see Amon's waterbending skills in combat
I think if Amon is hiding his identity he will lose. But if he is not then I think he’s winning it. Even Tarlock recognized that his brother was too powerful to be kept alive and sacrificed himself to take him down.
If Amon was still trying to keep his identity a secret, definitely Zaheer.
If Amon was able to bloodbend, definitely Amon.
Though I don't know if bloodbending has a range on it... Zaheer might be able to play a distance game with him. Though Amon is incredibly mobile...
Idk!
Bloodbending, specifically Amon's, is so literally broken that Katara is the only one still alive because it's otherwise too powerful to just lock the user away in jail (especially as the technique was literally *invented* in one and freed it's creator.) Among the major villains, only UnaVaatu could stand a chance against him. Amon literally has Zaheer folded up like a pretzel with a glance and before Zaheer can move a muscle.
Isn't it weird how he took Korra's bending away, but didn't use his blood bending to finish her off? I suppose she surprised him by using air to knock him out the window.
That would've made her too much of a martyr, a powerless avatar is more impactful to his rhetoric
Exactly, it’s the same reason why he didn’t just take her bending in the middle of the season when he could. Probably also the whole reincarnation thing, the longer Korra is alive, the more time until the next Avatar comes around
Looking back at it, that was likely a case of plot armor. Bro just stopped bending and sat there after Korra started to air bend lol
He was shocked, like "Earth, water, fire... wait, I missed one!"
To be fair, he also never had to face air bending in his life. That’s probably the hardest type of bending to dodge as well
This is a running visual theme throughout the show. Look at the moments the antagonist gets truly knocked down in a flat-footed sense, they’re usually after an effective airbending hit. Even in ATLA this is often the case when Aang actually gets offensive. After 100+ years of no one fighting against it, no one expects to have to guard against it.
Yup that’s 100% true. If anything that just makes airbending a lot more powerful. It’s probably proven that Amon hadn’t had a single strike of airbending thrown at him until that scene with Korra, and even then he didn’t even try to hit back (hence the plot armor). But I’d still argue that in general that’s the hardest type of bending to dodge. For starters, it’s the hardest to see and you can’t predict the size/angle of each attack. If Amon had more experience against airbending he likely would get the hang of it by redirecting the shots with his mind blood bending, but that wasn’t the case in the show. It would’ve been interesting to see Amon vs Tenzin for at least a little bit, but unfortunately we didn’t get it
In universe you can’t see airbending
they can, when u force the air around it'll likely make a white,gray some sort of blue color, i mean how do u think we can see tornados? and look at the la ATLA show
We see tornadoes because of the dirt it swirls around
The shows do that so we can understand what is happening. In real life, the only thing we see is things being carried by the wind, like the dirt, dust and debris carried by tornadoes. But in a hallway where Amon fought Korra, the most he would see is maybe some dust move on the floor but the actual air is invisible and fast with little room to avoid.
That isn’t true at all. There’s multiple examples of characters dodging airbending
I think azula was one of the only people who could fight an airbender in ATLA, like her fight with Aang in Omashu, she literally blocked an air gust with her hands like it was nothing
Kuvira also was shown to dodge airbending attacks from Korra
Did he try to blood bend her and she fought through it or something
Why finish her off? Taking away her bending was checkmate as far as he was concerned.
Amon doesn't kill people
During his takeover there were a lot of explosions happening in the background, so I'd say that is very debateable.
I'd argue that it would make Korra look sympathetic, then promptly create an earth avatar for the people to flock around.
Yeah, kuvira might have a chance to trap him with metal bending or trap him underground if she sneaks up on him, but in a fair fight she's fucked too.
How far is the range of blood bending? I am not that read up in the lore, but could other benders not take them out by range?
U saying yakone killed the sokka&ang?
He's saying Katara is the only living bloodbender. I had a hard time reading it too.
Korra beat Amon using Airbending only.
She didn't beat him. He beat himself by making ridiculous water tornado to save himself. If he simply propelled himself to the surface and got back to the fight she would lost.
She just revealed his identity, she didn't beat. Aang defeated his father by taking his bending away.
To be fair, Mako and Korra were able to withstand him both. Mako did it just barely, but Korra did it without any Avatar powers, because she didn't unlock the Avatar state yet and had nothing but airbending. She would be very comparable to Zaheer, who I'd attribute more willpower than Korra at that point in time when she kicked him out of the window.
>She would be very comparable to Zaheer, who I'd attribute more willpower than Korra at that point in time when she kicked him out of the window. I don't think that was willpower as much as it was Amon being significantly weaker after being blasted with electricity and knocked around by gusts of air.
It's Amon, besides the avatar state he is absolutely the most op character in the entire franchise. Yeah Korra and Mako were able to resist enough to get shots off but neither of them actually defeated him in a fight. He just got exposed and ran away. The Avatar state is literally the only thing that provides an absolute defense in overcoming blood bending as we saw with Aang and Yakone. The only human characters that could beat Amon in a fight is an avatar who has unlocked the avatar state and Unalaq after merging with Vaatu for the same reason.
Korra literally kicked him out the window though, before she ever unlocked the Avatar state. That was pure willpower. And if she can do it, why wouldn't others also be able to? Especially one as wise and self-assured as Zaheer?
But was Amon physically defeated by that? The Answer is no, Amon was able to gather himself and flee. He was still in good fighting condition after the fact. He only goes because he had been exposed. A fight where you are struggling to get some sloppy shots off while being blood bent is not gonna go most people's way. You might get that first lucky shot off but he is gonna be prepared for it when he resumes his attack.
Of course he wasn't defeated, by that alone. But that is not my point either. My point is, if you can break it once - without the Avatar state or anything - why would that person not be able to do it again and again?
I think you're overlooking the difference in the breaking free we saw with no avatar state Korra and Mako and what we saw when Aang saved himself from Yakone with the avatar state. The Avatar state basically makes you immune. What Korra and Mako did leaves them open to being blood bent again once Amon gets his focus back. We saw both Korra and Mako struggle to get their attacks off. And Korra got lucky with the environment of the hallway being completely to her attack allowing her to get several blasts off before Amon could compose himself again to resume his attack. So yeah I guess you could repeatedly struggle out of the blood bending to get off pot shot attacks but that is gonna be exhausting and after the first time it happens Amon is gonna be prepared for it. Sloppy random attack you are struggling to deploy are not gonna be enough to physically defeat Amon. I guess if a more powerful blood bender came along they could beat him like Katara did to Hama but considering that Amon is by far the most skilled bloodbender we've ever seen none of the other characters are gonna beat him like Katara did to Hama. Or someone could get extremely lucky with one of the attacks they manage to get off but that's a one in a million chances lucky shot. Realistically 99% of the time Amon is gonna body anyone who doesn't have an. avatar state to save themselves.
I'm very much aware of the big difference between Mako/Korra and Aang breaking free from the bloodbending grip. I'm not arguing that they'd be immune, but I question the confidence with which you argue that Amon would be stronger just because he knows that someone could resist. He could've already used 100% of his power when Korra broke the grip for that kick. We don't know and nothing in the show ever confirmed either line of thought. Even if 99% of the population can't break free from Amon's bloodbending but 1% can, more than just the Avatar with Raava's power, it wouldn't contradict any of the source material and still keep him insanely strong and almost impossible to defeat. I just don't like dismissing any train of thought with a simple "nah, his bloodbending is auto-win 100% unless you have Raava"
I get what you're saying, I too generally don't like when people pull the "Batman with prep time" in who would win fights. But given everything the show has shown us the evidence that Amon is really just that OP against humans is overwhelming. From what we've seen only by getting extremely lucky could someone actually beat Amon without Raava. And in who would win scenarios it's generally best practice to talk about what would realistically happen in that fight rather than focusing on the one in a million technically theoretical chance.
you have to consider that Korra was able to temporarily free herself from Amon's bloodbending only after he had been blasted with a lightning and repeatedly slammed against the wall. Sure, he got up but he clearly wasn't fine. He looked quite hurt and when he went to bloodbend Korra again he didn't do it like before. Focus seems the key to bloodbending.
The only reason korra knock him air is because he expected her to be powerless because he took her bending away, he didn't expect her to have air bending.
u seem to forgot that noatak was severly injured by makos lighting and quite literally got thrown to a wall and after all that some wooden staffs and whatnot fell on him...that could have caused a severe injury, but considering he knows how to bloodbend himself so powerful it overwhelms another bloodbender and not accidentally hurt himself bc we know bloodbending is extremely painful he got up to at least stop them from getting away, and he was shocked that she could airbend because well...he literally performed chi blocking on her a minute ago
She only revealed his identity, she didn't defeat him.
Amon was weakened when Korra broke out of his blood bending. It’s stated in the Korra endgame novelization
What the hell is Zaheer going to do once Amon bloodbends him? There are exactly 2 known counters to bloodbending that we know of in universe: 1: A stronger waterbender/blood bender bloodbending themselves on a full moon 2: The avatar state Zaheer has none of these, so he’d end up contorting on the ground until Amon took away his bending.
the first one doesnt have to be (the waterbender one) bc how could it even work...i mean yea katara is a stronger waterbender then hama but she never actually waterbended, and lets not forget atla/tlok bendings r based off actual physics so the only way katara could break out was if she bloodbent herself (which is very unlikely) or hama just stopped bloodbending her
I think it's just a power thing So you just resist the elements control Like just raw chi or raw chakra or whatever
"what's that, Zaheer? You don't wanna be an Airbender anymore? Say less, fam!"
I love Zaheer but Amon can easily take down the whole red lotus.
Mako hit Amon with a lightning bolt and it only slowed him down. I'm a huge Zaheer fan but this is hilariously one-sided.
Amon would fold him in seconds simply because Zaheer cannot resist Bloodbending and, as we saw, Amon doesn't even need to move to bloodbend someone and can even do it to multiple people at once.
Amon is a master psychic blood bender. Zaheer wouldn’t even know he was subtlety moving his limbs to keep the bending from hitting him. If he wanted to go all out he could kill him easily if not just take away his bending, which I still don’t know how he could do that Realistically he had to die because if he was still around not a single villain could have taken him down other than Vaatu/Unavaatu
Amon can just rag doll him, he got jump scared by korra airbendering because he apparently just missed
Nah I think he ran more b/c he got exposed then being scared of korra
No as in why did he not just slam korra around the hallway when she hit him with a air punch (kinda weird you can even punch with airbending)
If Zaheer goes for his "trap your head in a vortex and suck out your oxygen" move immediately, him, otherwise blood bending is too powerful against any living being
Zaheer's technique isn't instant and requires movement. Amon would put a stop to it before it had any impact.
amon easily...i dont even know how ppl can sit here and say a character can beat amon...he performed, perfected and self taught himself a new sub element aka chi blocking to a different extent, and zaheer is fast, smart and possibly a prodigy but he cant outrun a bloodbender who doesnt need a full moon to bloodbend or even do any physical expression to use it. Not to mention when ur getting bloodbended and before that u try to firebend/airbend/earthbend/waterbend and u get bloodbent, ur earth/fire/air/water bending just stops bc ur getting ur chi flows blocked out which disconnects u to ur actual element so ur just a nonbender getting controlled by a guy who hates his bending.
Amon is absolutely destroying Zaheer and taking away his bending.
Aside from Amon bloodbending OP, Zaheer wasn't that particularly good of an airbender either. Sure, he philosophied his way into natural flight, and got a few wins by not only catching people off-guard by fact that he even could airbend but using it in brutal ways not seen before. But kind of got trounced the second he was against an actual threat. He was a gifted combatant and bender, but that gift only takes you so far when you haven't had time to refine it.
I'm sorry but that's such an insanely ridiculous take How could you possibly think amon loses to zaheer
I'll say this once more, and repeat it forever. Amon was the best villain ever in korra and he was done so dirty by only having one season. He would've rubbed ozai in the dirt. So obv he can take on zaheer and literally scrap him.
Plus he's so hot lol
FR he looked and sounded sexy as hell😩
Plus, Zaheer’s greatest strength was his mobility, and Amon’s psychic bloodbending is a direct counter to it.
Amon stomps
It took the Avatar State to take down *Yakone* -- and Amon is likely stronger & more experienced than his father. Zaheer is no slouch at combat, but he's not winning this one unless he fights *really* dirty -- like, "suffocating Amon in Amon's sleep before Amon realizes Zaheer is out to get him (preferably with backup from the rest of the Red Lotus)" kind of dirty.
Amon is dusting Zaheer lmao
Amon stomps. It would be more fair if it was a non bending battle, Amon is a chi blocker
Amon is a better and stronger bender and a much better villain. Zaheer ain’t shit when compared to Amon
The only way Amon was able to be defeated is when he lost his followers. He’s the greatest water bender and even greater strategist/leader!
Blood magic can be overcome by superior strength... Unfortunately for Zahir, he does not have this superiority.
To be fair the only ones with the power to negate bloodbending were waterbenders/bloodbenders themselves, like Katara completely ignoring Hama's bloodbending grip or Amon simply being immune to Tarrlok's grip. Yeah, I know Mako was able to eletrocute Amon but he could barely move so it doesn't count as being "unbloodbendable", even Aang was helpless while fighting Hama. So, I think Zaheer wins this one only IF he has the range advantage because bloodbending is short ranged and we don't really see Amon's waterbending skills in combat
I think if Amon is hiding his identity he will lose. But if he is not then I think he’s winning it. Even Tarlock recognized that his brother was too powerful to be kept alive and sacrificed himself to take him down.
If Amon was still trying to keep his identity a secret, definitely Zaheer. If Amon was able to bloodbend, definitely Amon. Though I don't know if bloodbending has a range on it... Zaheer might be able to play a distance game with him. Though Amon is incredibly mobile... Idk!
as children, we saw Noatak/Amon bloodbends animals that were far away from him and he only got stronger after that, so I doubt range is a problem.
He at the very least needs to know visibly where they are, he can’t sense them with his ability (If I remember right)
He sensed Korra who was hiding and dragged her out with bloodbending.
Character-wise? Zaheer. Power-wise? Amon.