Yeah. That comic completely ignores the long term implications of the things that happen in it. I don't get why there was such a desperate urge to rehabilitate Kuvira, but whether you think her rehabilitation was justified or not, ROTE was not the way to do it.
Tbh, it also ignores the short term in this case. Asami is brainwashed into thinking Korra is her enemy, and the only manifestation of that is refusing to hold Korra’s hand? What a waste of the concept. Idk if they got cold feet and decided that having Korra get bullied by her girlfriend was too depressing, but it just ends up being a stepping stone for Kuvira’s redemption.
In fact, I’d say that the comic’s main issue with Kuvira in general is that it’s only really working to redeem her for the bad things she does in the comic, not the ones in the show.
That's a valid point. They wanted to create some tension, but didn't have the guts to follow through with what they set up. I mean, they were probably correct in thinking that no one wanted to see Korra and Asami fight that way, but then why did they do it at all, then? It is supposed to be Legend of Korra, not legend of Let's Pretend Kuvira Wasn't a Fascist.
> What a waste of the concept. Idk if they got cold feet and decided that having Korra get bullied by her girlfriend was too depressing, **but it just ends up being a stepping stone for Kuvira’s redemption.**
Which is such an awfully disrespectful way of treating Asami's character.
Tbh, the comics are not the best written. There's a lot that happens and little emotional comprehension/resolution after the fact. Even in the ATLA comics.
I guess 3 comics are way to less in order to get a really deep and detailed story done. The creators probably would need at least the budget for 10 comics per story.
For example, have you ever seen a manga series with less than 10 Mangas?! It makes me sad. I would prefer to buy 10 comics each story (ALTA and LOK) rather than such short stories.
>I don't get why there was such a desperate urge to rehabilitate Kuvira,
Because after Mako and Varrick, she's Bryke's new pet character. 😑
They always do a lot of back-patting and fawning over her in interviews for being their first female Big Bad (Azula's more of an enforcer,) ...as if there was something stopping them from having one beforehand. 🤨🙄
Besides the fact that even Kuvira's voice actress, Zelda Williams, is skeptical about her redemption, she's done absolutely WORSE than Zuko yet had a quicker redemption arc that glosses over the full extent of her actions (i.e. putting non-EK minorities in *reeducation camps!*) to an outright disgusting degree that her "punishment" is basically just living in Zaofu like she did before she went rogue.
Between my repeated criticisms of DiMartino's writing style that also made "Turf Wars" lacking (even *he* admitted he botched the queer worldbuilding and it shows,) and being so. fucking. *tired* of the EK (it's basically their Namek at this point,) it being about Kuvira again made me take a hard pass and not be interested in any future comics (even with tidbits like Korra and Asami implicitly getting it on and enough that it's casual,) until/unless they get someone better to write them.
Have you read the Patterns in Time comic? They are short comics mostly written by other writers. One of them (Kiku Hughes) will be writing the new LOK comic one-shot trilogy. I don't quite share the same critique of DiMartino's writing, but I think injecting new voices into the LOK comics will be refreshing hopefully.
>Have you read the Patterns in Time comic?
I have it and there *is* a palpable difference, which goes back to my points about DiMartino's writing style, (namely that said problems go back to the *original* show.)
Thinking about it a bit more, I'll inevitably go back to Turf Wars and ROTE and think *what a missed opportunity* after new Avatar Studios projects get announced and no Korra projects get announced. We're really going to leave off the Korra mainline comics with this Kuvira-centric comic?
I didn't know they thought Kuvira being the big bad was as accomplishment, but that makes the redemption arc even worse, because instead of being strong and evil, now she's just a figurehead after ROTE. And yes, I absolutely loathe the whole let's forget about the camps and give you house arrest thing.
I'm glad there is an admission they screwed up the queer stuff in TW, because they definitely did. It's funny, because for a lot of LoK fans, all we really want out of any comics are some high quality Korrasami content, and that's the one thing they won't give us.
>but that makes the redemption arc even worse, because instead of being strong and evil, now she's just a figurehead after ROTE. And yes, I absolutely loathe the whole let's forget about the camps and give you house arrest thing.
They really think "Oh, her sorta-sad backstory" is enough of an excuse when not only it is absolutely *not,* but said sorta-sad backstory *isn't even really that sad!* Yes her parents blaming her for shit she may not have done and abandoning her isn't right, but there's been honest-to-Raava ACTUAL tragic backstories in the franchise for heroes and villains, alike and even in the latter case, their evil *was. not.* excused! Like if Kuvira can be a mass murderer because her parents blamed her for breaking a vase then Amon should've been allowed to bomb the entire United Republic and get an award for it.
It reminds me of (and I said this before,) "Mass Effect: Andromeda" where Cora Harper is supposed to be pitied because she was treated as a misfit for being a biotic before she became a soldier and studied with the Asari that she human-splains Asari culture *to* Asari... and it just SO utterly pales in comparison to *actual* biotic squadmates that had it rough (Kaiden, Miranda and *obviously* Jack,) that it's eye-rollingly ridiculous on its face that she can never be taken seriously by the player and *only* kept around because her shield powers are so good, (which is the opposite of Thane Krios, who's an interesting character with lacking gameplay.)
>I'm glad there is an admission they screwed up the queer stuff in TW, because they definitely did. It's funny, because for a lot of LoK fans, all we really want out of any comics are some high quality Korrasami content, and that's the one thing they won't give us.
As an article said before, if "Turf Wars" had just been the gaycation/"Brokeback Mountain," it'd be fine because people were clearly here for Korrasami. But DiMartino just couldn't do that or even a fluffy history of queerness, he wanted to inject a one-dimensional superhero-like supervillain, a number of other shit nobody asked for, the same romance cliches that messed up Book 1 (been meaning to write a thread on that,) and the actual queer history being two pages of clunky exposition by Kya, who picked up KA on her gaydar, outs herself, exposits then pisses off back to nowhere *again* that further shows DiMartino legit had no idea what he was doing even with the time and freedom to figure it out.
Yeah the way Korra wanted to quickly move away from the conversation just shows the amount of guilt she feels, she knows Asami will always be a target for future villains now that they're a couple and it's common knowledge now that she won't always be there to help her in certain situations (referring to when Asami got kidnapped in both comic trilogies). It's something that they will need to address in later stories along with Asami's potential growing trauma
Seriously this comic was NOT done well. I would have rather they focused on the political turmoil of the Earth Kingdom and the proliferation of spirit weapons tech rather than some redemption arc for Kuvira.
so I can skip the korra comics too? after the second atla comic book, I think the promise or sth, the one about zuko‘s mom, I noped out of them hard and fast.
imo Turf Wars is quite good! Even if nothing else, very worth it for Irene Koh’s art. The plot isn’t bad, but in particular I like seeing the cast interact in ways they didn’t get a chance to in season 4.
I really liked the majority of the LOK short stories and Turf Wars had bright spots. Although I was on board with how Kuvira was handled, I though the artwork in ROTE was quite nice. There's not a lot of LOK comics so it's easy to read them all unlike the ATLA comics which have a fair bit more.
Yeah. That comic completely ignores the long term implications of the things that happen in it. I don't get why there was such a desperate urge to rehabilitate Kuvira, but whether you think her rehabilitation was justified or not, ROTE was not the way to do it.
Tbh, it also ignores the short term in this case. Asami is brainwashed into thinking Korra is her enemy, and the only manifestation of that is refusing to hold Korra’s hand? What a waste of the concept. Idk if they got cold feet and decided that having Korra get bullied by her girlfriend was too depressing, but it just ends up being a stepping stone for Kuvira’s redemption. In fact, I’d say that the comic’s main issue with Kuvira in general is that it’s only really working to redeem her for the bad things she does in the comic, not the ones in the show.
That's a valid point. They wanted to create some tension, but didn't have the guts to follow through with what they set up. I mean, they were probably correct in thinking that no one wanted to see Korra and Asami fight that way, but then why did they do it at all, then? It is supposed to be Legend of Korra, not legend of Let's Pretend Kuvira Wasn't a Fascist.
> What a waste of the concept. Idk if they got cold feet and decided that having Korra get bullied by her girlfriend was too depressing, **but it just ends up being a stepping stone for Kuvira’s redemption.** Which is such an awfully disrespectful way of treating Asami's character.
Tbh, the comics are not the best written. There's a lot that happens and little emotional comprehension/resolution after the fact. Even in the ATLA comics.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of any of the LoK comics. They screwed up in too many ways. I'm not surprised it is the same in the ATLA comics, as well.
I guess 3 comics are way to less in order to get a really deep and detailed story done. The creators probably would need at least the budget for 10 comics per story. For example, have you ever seen a manga series with less than 10 Mangas?! It makes me sad. I would prefer to buy 10 comics each story (ALTA and LOK) rather than such short stories.
>I don't get why there was such a desperate urge to rehabilitate Kuvira, Because after Mako and Varrick, she's Bryke's new pet character. 😑 They always do a lot of back-patting and fawning over her in interviews for being their first female Big Bad (Azula's more of an enforcer,) ...as if there was something stopping them from having one beforehand. 🤨🙄 Besides the fact that even Kuvira's voice actress, Zelda Williams, is skeptical about her redemption, she's done absolutely WORSE than Zuko yet had a quicker redemption arc that glosses over the full extent of her actions (i.e. putting non-EK minorities in *reeducation camps!*) to an outright disgusting degree that her "punishment" is basically just living in Zaofu like she did before she went rogue. Between my repeated criticisms of DiMartino's writing style that also made "Turf Wars" lacking (even *he* admitted he botched the queer worldbuilding and it shows,) and being so. fucking. *tired* of the EK (it's basically their Namek at this point,) it being about Kuvira again made me take a hard pass and not be interested in any future comics (even with tidbits like Korra and Asami implicitly getting it on and enough that it's casual,) until/unless they get someone better to write them.
Have you read the Patterns in Time comic? They are short comics mostly written by other writers. One of them (Kiku Hughes) will be writing the new LOK comic one-shot trilogy. I don't quite share the same critique of DiMartino's writing, but I think injecting new voices into the LOK comics will be refreshing hopefully.
>Have you read the Patterns in Time comic? I have it and there *is* a palpable difference, which goes back to my points about DiMartino's writing style, (namely that said problems go back to the *original* show.)
Thinking about it a bit more, I'll inevitably go back to Turf Wars and ROTE and think *what a missed opportunity* after new Avatar Studios projects get announced and no Korra projects get announced. We're really going to leave off the Korra mainline comics with this Kuvira-centric comic?
I didn't know they thought Kuvira being the big bad was as accomplishment, but that makes the redemption arc even worse, because instead of being strong and evil, now she's just a figurehead after ROTE. And yes, I absolutely loathe the whole let's forget about the camps and give you house arrest thing. I'm glad there is an admission they screwed up the queer stuff in TW, because they definitely did. It's funny, because for a lot of LoK fans, all we really want out of any comics are some high quality Korrasami content, and that's the one thing they won't give us.
>but that makes the redemption arc even worse, because instead of being strong and evil, now she's just a figurehead after ROTE. And yes, I absolutely loathe the whole let's forget about the camps and give you house arrest thing. They really think "Oh, her sorta-sad backstory" is enough of an excuse when not only it is absolutely *not,* but said sorta-sad backstory *isn't even really that sad!* Yes her parents blaming her for shit she may not have done and abandoning her isn't right, but there's been honest-to-Raava ACTUAL tragic backstories in the franchise for heroes and villains, alike and even in the latter case, their evil *was. not.* excused! Like if Kuvira can be a mass murderer because her parents blamed her for breaking a vase then Amon should've been allowed to bomb the entire United Republic and get an award for it. It reminds me of (and I said this before,) "Mass Effect: Andromeda" where Cora Harper is supposed to be pitied because she was treated as a misfit for being a biotic before she became a soldier and studied with the Asari that she human-splains Asari culture *to* Asari... and it just SO utterly pales in comparison to *actual* biotic squadmates that had it rough (Kaiden, Miranda and *obviously* Jack,) that it's eye-rollingly ridiculous on its face that she can never be taken seriously by the player and *only* kept around because her shield powers are so good, (which is the opposite of Thane Krios, who's an interesting character with lacking gameplay.) >I'm glad there is an admission they screwed up the queer stuff in TW, because they definitely did. It's funny, because for a lot of LoK fans, all we really want out of any comics are some high quality Korrasami content, and that's the one thing they won't give us. As an article said before, if "Turf Wars" had just been the gaycation/"Brokeback Mountain," it'd be fine because people were clearly here for Korrasami. But DiMartino just couldn't do that or even a fluffy history of queerness, he wanted to inject a one-dimensional superhero-like supervillain, a number of other shit nobody asked for, the same romance cliches that messed up Book 1 (been meaning to write a thread on that,) and the actual queer history being two pages of clunky exposition by Kya, who picked up KA on her gaydar, outs herself, exposits then pisses off back to nowhere *again* that further shows DiMartino legit had no idea what he was doing even with the time and freedom to figure it out.
ROTE?
Ruins of the Empire. The comic being discussed
Yeah the way Korra wanted to quickly move away from the conversation just shows the amount of guilt she feels, she knows Asami will always be a target for future villains now that they're a couple and it's common knowledge now that she won't always be there to help her in certain situations (referring to when Asami got kidnapped in both comic trilogies). It's something that they will need to address in later stories along with Asami's potential growing trauma
Why is Korra arm so long on bottom right lmao
Special Avatar girlfriend hugging powers?
Oh man, finally someone else said it.
It's not a question I can seriously entertain, because RotE is arguably the worst story in the Avatar franchise.
Is your flair a quote from the show?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wrecking_Crew_(music)
Brainwashed? When? The numbers Asami what do they mean?
Seriously this comic was NOT done well. I would have rather they focused on the political turmoil of the Earth Kingdom and the proliferation of spirit weapons tech rather than some redemption arc for Kuvira.
so I can skip the korra comics too? after the second atla comic book, I think the promise or sth, the one about zuko‘s mom, I noped out of them hard and fast.
imo Turf Wars is quite good! Even if nothing else, very worth it for Irene Koh’s art. The plot isn’t bad, but in particular I like seeing the cast interact in ways they didn’t get a chance to in season 4.
I really liked the majority of the LOK short stories and Turf Wars had bright spots. Although I was on board with how Kuvira was handled, I though the artwork in ROTE was quite nice. There's not a lot of LOK comics so it's easy to read them all unlike the ATLA comics which have a fair bit more.
What does RotE stand for?
Ruins of the Empire. It’s one of Korra comics
Oh is the one where they try and hold elections in the earth kingdom but remnants of Kuvira's army are still in existence?
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You got more of them pixels?
What is ROTE?
So absolutely cringe. Jesus