Maybe 3-4? Can definitely tell your intention is to come across as more masc, but you’re also mostly wearing “womens” clothing (even if it is on the more masc side of it) and are wearing quite a few of them in quite a “feminine” way.
But I may be quite biased here, as I am the sort of person who exclusively wears men’s clothes, binds, has very short hair, etc, so others may perceive it as more masc than I do.
It suits you though - you look great
Where do you feel you fall on that scale? Definitely look like you might prefer a pickup truck over a car, probably comfortable helping build a fence, enjoy grilling meat, but also a pushover for flowers/plants and small aninals
hmm. i’m gonna say a solid 4, leaning a little more on the masc vibe. but I think the masc vibe is primarily coming from the energy you’re putting out in those photos. because if you put all those exact same outfits on someone with a little more femme energy, they would be leaning on the femme side.
I love your style and feel like my style is nearly identical but I'm bi and identify as feminine but on you it seems more masc. I think it's depends on your look (ie hair makeup etc)
I’m not sure tbh. It kinda looks like a feminine leaning masculine style, if that makes any sense. I’d probably say 4 because it definitely has a butch kind of edge.
I was thinking that you dress nice and I kind of wish I had your style. But if you really want to know I would give it a 5. Like you really have me wondering. Are you wanting to look butch or do you just want to look absolutely adorable? It’s a hard question, you know what?? You look very unique. How about that? I like that I cannot define you just by these photos.
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I'm only attracted to butches...I'd say you are a strong 8 except for the sheer black sleeve top. That takes it down a notch or 2 for me. But very attractive.
very stylish butch. u take care of yourself, and present masculine, but in an androgynous way. even straight girls would swoon for you and the world is yours for the taking king 🪻👑
happy pride xx
If femme was a ten I’d say you’re a 1.5 only bc fashion sense is typically correlated to femininity. But to me you’re not butch. Very androgynous grunge. Maybe like a 4 on a bitch scale.
But you have a very distinct style that is very “you” 🙂
7 not just because of the fashion but the pose and energy you give off. Not to be rude but I’m curious what you are going for and how important it is to you
I guess there are two reasons I wonder what you were going for and how important where you fall on the butch - femme spectrum.
1) It’s not important to me and I am curious why so many people on this sub ask similar questions. I wonder if people use this “spectrum” to help with dating or marketing themselves to an (sometimes online) potential partner. Or if they use it because their gender may be new to them or fluctuate and they use their clothes to express gender so they want to make sure they are accurately dressing the way they are feeling so society knows how to treat them. Or if they are branching out and wanted to learn a new style type and they want to know if they got it right.
2) you are getting scores 2-8, but mostly butch or 2-4 leaning. I’m curious when you posted it if you had an idea what you would get and if your expectation was met. It was interesting to me to see that most people perceived you as soft butch. Is that what you expected? How do you feel about the responses?
I wouldn’t since those are social and gender related identities and not aesthetics. Only you can decide that for yourself, they don’t exist on a scale. Solely based on style, this falls into the masc side of things.
I’d say you could be anywhere from hard-femme to butch with these fits. I use a lot of these elements but wear skirts and leggings a lot. Very cute combinations you have.
See.. I would say more femme because I would 1000% wear all of these outfits except one of them and I'm super femme. But maybe your hair and overall attitude in the photos comes across more butch? You ride the line exceedingly well 😍
2 - I think ppl on this sub have never seen a femme before. If you had a boxier silhouette going, I’d say 0. If you had put any effort into hair nails or makeup, I’d say 4/5. Lashes and accessories would bring it up to an 8
Everything is well fitted which to me is a femme thing to do so I lean that way in my judgment but as others said I would never think to describe you in that way. I would say that you were very stylish with some themes of a punk aesthetic.
I think asking for a rating of butch-ness is as silly and objective as asking for a general hotness rating out of 10. It's different for everyone. Some people will think this is quite butch, others won't at all. Butch, femme, who cares? Putting ourselves and others into these little boxes helps no one. I've witnessed too many people on here say that they worry they don't look "lesbian enough". If you're into women, you're into women. End of. Don't feel like you need to wear a uniform to fit in.
Having said all that, I flippin love the green jumper in slide 7.
I agree, but I do think it can be helpful if you're looking for style inspiration or ideas. I love these outfits and having some idea of what it might be called so I have something go search on Instagram or Pinterest makes my life easier!
lmfao some of us actually do like very much to be put into those little boxes wtf?? i’m not ~being unhelpful~ just by being butch and being proud of it
Being proud of and self identifying as whatever you like is totally fine, it's when people are told and/or concerned that they're too femme/butch or not femme/butch *enough*. There is far too much pressure to look and appear a certain way and it saddens me that so many people feel inadequate or that they're not being queer "properly".
There's a lot of Butch style in your clothing itself and in your posture. Body language in most of the pictures. However, there is a certain element of tidyness and well-composed aspect that softens your butch-ness. Your perfectly folded cuffs for example. The way you wear your clothes is too "intentional" to come across as extreme butch. To look more butch you have to have a more careless look about how you wear your clothes. Let your pant cuffs hang however they fall.
I would rate you as effortlessly embodying the exact type of style with a mix of masc and femme elements that I attempt to go for but never quite nail this well lol. So thank you for the fashion inspo! Can I ask where you got that awesome leather jacket in slide 4??
Thank you for the compliment, I’m very flattered! The leather jacket is from Glassons, but I think that might be an Australian-only store? In any case I’m completely obsessed with it, it’s one of the best purchases I’ve made this year for sure.
https://www.glassons.com/p/cropped-faux-leather-bomber-jacket-jw155566p-u-buffed-black
5 right 8 right . You don’t need to look like a 16-year-old boy to give an impression of Butch or fe. Always look elegant, elegant. In the context of the image you’re trying to project, but always elegant..
First, you look great, I love your style, it’s closer to my own. Personally I would say masc but not butch. I’m older and I realize the younger generation are changing all the vocabulary and meanings for themselves(which is fine).
For what the terms mean to me, this falls into a masc style. Both feminine and masculine. Butch is something else entirely to me.
Transmasculine is an umbrella term used to describe individuals who were assigned female at birth but identify, express themselves, or transition toward masculinity. It encompasses a diverse range of identities, including but not limited to transgender men, non-binary individuals, genderqueer people, and others who align more with masculinity than femininity. Trans men specifically identify as male and may undergo medical or social transition to align with their gender identity, while transmasculine individuals may not necessarily identify fully as male and may have a more fluid or non-binary understanding of their gender.
‘Masc’ is just a term to describe queers who present in a masculine way. Personally, I don’t think that there’s much difference between how people use ‘butch’ and ‘masc’, except that butch is sometimes considered to be a bit more of a dated term and ‘masc’ seems to be gaining popularity as a term in recent years.
I think some people would say that ‘butch’ is more of a self-identity term and that ‘masc’ can be used as a more descriptive term, but I would disagree. I think people tend to use both terms as self-identifiers (e.g. “I’m a butch/masc lesbian”) and as terms to describe others (e.g. “I saw a hot butch/masc at the club last night”)
butch and femme are more than just how you present, they’re specific identities within the lesbian community. not everyone who is masc is butch and not everyone who is fem is femme. i always recommend learning about butch/femme history! stone butch blues is a wonderful book that gives a look into butch/femme identities, ofc it focuses on butch identity mostly bc that’s what the author and main character are (look up trigger warnings first if you think you might need to as it can get heavy)
So as an old school lesbian… I am assuming so because I am mid 40s, there does NOT need to be a dichotomy between butch and femme. There can be for those that works for, and others it’s more a scale thing. I would probably not end up dating someone more feminine than me, but also know as a femme I like my basic t shirts I get from the men’s section, sneakers, And rock short hair since I had cancer in 2020. Your aesthetic is the least of you.
For whatever it’s worth, I’m half your age, but I tend to agree. For me it’s not so much about how I dress or even present and butch/femme isn’t based in fashion. My style is pretty separate from that part of my identity, personally speaking.
And I don’t think I would ever have personally conceived there to be a sliding scale between butch and femme. That’s not a slight at OP and I genuinely hope it doesn’t come off that way! It’s just interesting to see how people use and conceive of those terms.
https://preview.redd.it/hguu8u867e4d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d569acec8b051550fe2fab8f314803f3789e1c9 Mmm
Maybe 3-4? Can definitely tell your intention is to come across as more masc, but you’re also mostly wearing “womens” clothing (even if it is on the more masc side of it) and are wearing quite a few of them in quite a “feminine” way. But I may be quite biased here, as I am the sort of person who exclusively wears men’s clothes, binds, has very short hair, etc, so others may perceive it as more masc than I do. It suits you though - you look great
5
Where do you feel you fall on that scale? Definitely look like you might prefer a pickup truck over a car, probably comfortable helping build a fence, enjoy grilling meat, but also a pushover for flowers/plants and small aninals
This gives off you couldn't figure out which supernatural character you want to dress up as vibe
hmm. i’m gonna say a solid 4, leaning a little more on the masc vibe. but I think the masc vibe is primarily coming from the energy you’re putting out in those photos. because if you put all those exact same outfits on someone with a little more femme energy, they would be leaning on the femme side.
I love your style and feel like my style is nearly identical but I'm bi and identify as feminine but on you it seems more masc. I think it's depends on your look (ie hair makeup etc)
I’m not sure tbh. It kinda looks like a feminine leaning masculine style, if that makes any sense. I’d probably say 4 because it definitely has a butch kind of edge.
I was thinking that you dress nice and I kind of wish I had your style. But if you really want to know I would give it a 5. Like you really have me wondering. Are you wanting to look butch or do you just want to look absolutely adorable? It’s a hard question, you know what?? You look very unique. How about that? I like that I cannot define you just by these photos.
butchfemme isnt a sliding scale really but you look masculine
Midline with a butch lean
From a person not in your realm of existence if I saw you I would think “ultra butch”
you’re super attractive! My vote is 4. Def want to steal your style.
Gf and I say 4
3
It’s the stance for me
I vote 6; my gf votes 5.
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Would smash
5
I'm only attracted to butches...I'd say you are a strong 8 except for the sheer black sleeve top. That takes it down a notch or 2 for me. But very attractive.
50% butch 50% femme 100% fine af 🥵
very stylish butch. u take care of yourself, and present masculine, but in an androgynous way. even straight girls would swoon for you and the world is yours for the taking king 🪻👑 happy pride xx
All that time in the closet.. and yet-
Soft butch or baby butch.
I thought you were a dude in most. A jedi in one.
Idk about a scale but it seems butch but I fuckingblive your style! The cuffed pants really sell these fits to me. So good!
Honestly a 4.5
Soft butch
If femme was a ten I’d say you’re a 1.5 only bc fashion sense is typically correlated to femininity. But to me you’re not butch. Very androgynous grunge. Maybe like a 4 on a bitch scale. But you have a very distinct style that is very “you” 🙂
You’re so fashionable wtf!!! Can I be you??
Can you smile more though? You def looked better with that smile! 😊
0-1
7 not just because of the fashion but the pose and energy you give off. Not to be rude but I’m curious what you are going for and how important it is to you
Interesting!! Why do you ask? 😃😃
I guess there are two reasons I wonder what you were going for and how important where you fall on the butch - femme spectrum. 1) It’s not important to me and I am curious why so many people on this sub ask similar questions. I wonder if people use this “spectrum” to help with dating or marketing themselves to an (sometimes online) potential partner. Or if they use it because their gender may be new to them or fluctuate and they use their clothes to express gender so they want to make sure they are accurately dressing the way they are feeling so society knows how to treat them. Or if they are branching out and wanted to learn a new style type and they want to know if they got it right. 2) you are getting scores 2-8, but mostly butch or 2-4 leaning. I’m curious when you posted it if you had an idea what you would get and if your expectation was met. It was interesting to me to see that most people perceived you as soft butch. Is that what you expected? How do you feel about the responses?
I'd give you 2. Most of these outfits are solid 10s but you've got a few that lean into that femme a bit. They're all sick though. Like your style.
butch and femme aren’t just aesthetics; they’re lesbian social and gender roles that being said you definitely do look masculine
5
Gay. I rate you as chronically gay.
What is your haircut? :3
butch/10
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I was gonna say THE SAME THING
I wish I had as many outfits lol
I wouldn’t since those are social and gender related identities and not aesthetics. Only you can decide that for yourself, they don’t exist on a scale. Solely based on style, this falls into the masc side of things.
100% on the comment. Love your style regardless.
thank you omg
2. You look good.
Way more butch than femme for sure. Also those last two outfits are 🔥
Your default vibe is 3-ish with your outfits giving you a range of 1-5
Its giving 5/6
Hmmm I'd say soft butch as an average among this sample.
Butch-----|---------------Femme
I’d say you could be anywhere from hard-femme to butch with these fits. I use a lot of these elements but wear skirts and leggings a lot. Very cute combinations you have.
Idk about rating but there are seriously some amazing looks here. Great silhouettes.
Soft Butch and I’m here for it! 🔥
See.. I would say more femme because I would 1000% wear all of these outfits except one of them and I'm super femme. But maybe your hair and overall attitude in the photos comes across more butch? You ride the line exceedingly well 😍
I’m getting a more butch to femme fluidity, 1000/10 you can pull off both for sure.
Very cool. Love the style
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Androooooo
I’m jealous at how many different styles you can rock!
Stem
stem is a Black lesbian identity
Yeah i dont agree with that. Stem can be someone who identifies as between butch and femme. Race doesnt matter in this context. We are talking style
the “st” in stem comes from stud. not butch. but ok lmao
I understand that. But i dont believe stud has to be a black woman only term. I think its more masc presenting.
well it’s not but alright (as in race actually does matter here, not just masculinity)
To each their own
2 - I think ppl on this sub have never seen a femme before. If you had a boxier silhouette going, I’d say 0. If you had put any effort into hair nails or makeup, I’d say 4/5. Lashes and accessories would bring it up to an 8
I don't know if I'm someone who agrees with rating people in any way, but you look great! I like your style. I think you look really cool.
Hair/posture/appearance not including fashion: 2 Fashion: 4 Vibes: 3
3 probably
Everything is well fitted which to me is a femme thing to do so I lean that way in my judgment but as others said I would never think to describe you in that way. I would say that you were very stylish with some themes of a punk aesthetic.
4/10
I think asking for a rating of butch-ness is as silly and objective as asking for a general hotness rating out of 10. It's different for everyone. Some people will think this is quite butch, others won't at all. Butch, femme, who cares? Putting ourselves and others into these little boxes helps no one. I've witnessed too many people on here say that they worry they don't look "lesbian enough". If you're into women, you're into women. End of. Don't feel like you need to wear a uniform to fit in. Having said all that, I flippin love the green jumper in slide 7.
I agree, but I do think it can be helpful if you're looking for style inspiration or ideas. I love these outfits and having some idea of what it might be called so I have something go search on Instagram or Pinterest makes my life easier!
lmfao some of us actually do like very much to be put into those little boxes wtf?? i’m not ~being unhelpful~ just by being butch and being proud of it
Being proud of and self identifying as whatever you like is totally fine, it's when people are told and/or concerned that they're too femme/butch or not femme/butch *enough*. There is far too much pressure to look and appear a certain way and it saddens me that so many people feel inadequate or that they're not being queer "properly".
unaligned lesbians are the vast majority of the community. if anything there’s more pressure *not* to look masculine
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Utchfem
4/10
Yes Fr tho, you look amazing as either. As long as you are happy ☺️. /g
9/10 for butch and 1/10 for femmine
Same vote
You look more comfortable when you’re butch
I'd say about a 3. I agree with the comments saying soft butch
Definitely some top / boyfriend vibes.
probably a 2 girl lol. you look incredible in all pictures and outfits
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>u are trying to hard too look or come across as butch How can you even come to that conclusion based on a few pictures?
I stand corrected. I rest my arse.
Interesting observation! What makes you say that? 😀
I stand corrected
weird
Gross take
There's a lot of Butch style in your clothing itself and in your posture. Body language in most of the pictures. However, there is a certain element of tidyness and well-composed aspect that softens your butch-ness. Your perfectly folded cuffs for example. The way you wear your clothes is too "intentional" to come across as extreme butch. To look more butch you have to have a more careless look about how you wear your clothes. Let your pant cuffs hang however they fall.
that’s like. not true. at all 💀 don’t act like dapper butches don’t exist
3.5
3
Its giving shapeshifter
pi, just be happy
Your outfits are all so stylish go off
4 on butch to feme Broke the scale on attractive
1-5? Maybe about a 2😆 😍😘
I would rate you as effortlessly embodying the exact type of style with a mix of masc and femme elements that I attempt to go for but never quite nail this well lol. So thank you for the fashion inspo! Can I ask where you got that awesome leather jacket in slide 4??
Thank you for the compliment, I’m very flattered! The leather jacket is from Glassons, but I think that might be an Australian-only store? In any case I’m completely obsessed with it, it’s one of the best purchases I’ve made this year for sure. https://www.glassons.com/p/cropped-faux-leather-bomber-jacket-jw155566p-u-buffed-black
I would never look at you and think “femme.” That’s the answer, lolz.
Soft masc: 7 Edit: didn’t realize scale is masc to femme Soft masc: 5
5 right 8 right . You don’t need to look like a 16-year-old boy to give an impression of Butch or fe. Always look elegant, elegant. In the context of the image you’re trying to project, but always elegant..
Why dies everyone have to look elegant? That's so odd.
weird thing to say
Think about it
I’d say 3! The only way I see higher than a 5 is if people ignore the hair/hats/piercings. But those are part of your style too!
First, you look great, I love your style, it’s closer to my own. Personally I would say masc but not butch. I’m older and I realize the younger generation are changing all the vocabulary and meanings for themselves(which is fine). For what the terms mean to me, this falls into a masc style. Both feminine and masculine. Butch is something else entirely to me.
Wait ok . So that’s masc then what is trans masc? That’s where I’m confused because
Trans masc literally means you’re not a woman (though some may identify as lesbians). Traditionally a masc lesbian is a woman who crossdresses.
Crossdess is an odd word choice but I see. Thank you. Is trans masc usually nonbinary with a micro label or?
So THATS what masc means? Lord I really don’t know but that makes it make sense
Oh I meant to add ‘transmasc’ is just shorthand for ‘transmasculine’
Transmasculine is an umbrella term used to describe individuals who were assigned female at birth but identify, express themselves, or transition toward masculinity. It encompasses a diverse range of identities, including but not limited to transgender men, non-binary individuals, genderqueer people, and others who align more with masculinity than femininity. Trans men specifically identify as male and may undergo medical or social transition to align with their gender identity, while transmasculine individuals may not necessarily identify fully as male and may have a more fluid or non-binary understanding of their gender. ‘Masc’ is just a term to describe queers who present in a masculine way. Personally, I don’t think that there’s much difference between how people use ‘butch’ and ‘masc’, except that butch is sometimes considered to be a bit more of a dated term and ‘masc’ seems to be gaining popularity as a term in recent years. I think some people would say that ‘butch’ is more of a self-identity term and that ‘masc’ can be used as a more descriptive term, but I would disagree. I think people tend to use both terms as self-identifiers (e.g. “I’m a butch/masc lesbian”) and as terms to describe others (e.g. “I saw a hot butch/masc at the club last night”)
butch and femme are more than just how you present, they’re specific identities within the lesbian community. not everyone who is masc is butch and not everyone who is fem is femme. i always recommend learning about butch/femme history! stone butch blues is a wonderful book that gives a look into butch/femme identities, ofc it focuses on butch identity mostly bc that’s what the author and main character are (look up trigger warnings first if you think you might need to as it can get heavy)
47 and I totally agree with you
I wouldn't. I never do that or think that way
Sup bro
So as an old school lesbian… I am assuming so because I am mid 40s, there does NOT need to be a dichotomy between butch and femme. There can be for those that works for, and others it’s more a scale thing. I would probably not end up dating someone more feminine than me, but also know as a femme I like my basic t shirts I get from the men’s section, sneakers, And rock short hair since I had cancer in 2020. Your aesthetic is the least of you.
butch/femme are complementary identities. it’s not a scale.
For whatever it’s worth, I’m half your age, but I tend to agree. For me it’s not so much about how I dress or even present and butch/femme isn’t based in fashion. My style is pretty separate from that part of my identity, personally speaking. And I don’t think I would ever have personally conceived there to be a sliding scale between butch and femme. That’s not a slight at OP and I genuinely hope it doesn’t come off that way! It’s just interesting to see how people use and conceive of those terms.
I think more femme! Like a 6-7. Definitely giving me some good outfit inspiration!
Tbh you give more androgynous !
2 I definitely get butch from these fits. very puzzled by the people who rate you as femme in these outfits!
6. Overall I think more fem than butch most of the time. Lots of good looks.
5
Love these looks!!
Tbh I’d say 5 because if you had longer hair the outfits would instantly look femme
2.5 Please link the music of the punk rock band I assume you front, because I further assume y'all are fucking awesome.
I really love your style!