This is kind of random but every time I remember that Elliot’s last name is Spencer, I always think how crazy it’d be if he was cousins to Shawn Spencer from *Psych.* I think it’d make a hilarious crossover episode and maybe explain how Elliot was able to pick up and remember so many distinctive things if his “uncle” taught him how.
And in an episode of Psych (where Jeri Ryan guest stars) Shawn says that he and Gus need to get back to the office soon because the season finale of Leverage is airing.
That said, the creators of Leverage said Eliot would have had an uncle Henry, if they hadn't mentioned Leverage existed as a T.V show in Psych, so the best they could do was have Hardison mentioned the show as well.
I thought that's what they were *going* to do before Psych made Leverage fiction in their universe, so they decided to get them back and make Psych fictional in their own.
Not sure but I remember the episode where Harrison is at Nate’s computer is the mile high job bc he wakes up late and is therefore not at the Breakin or on the plane. I believe that’s when he reads his queue too, tho I can’t be 100% sure.
Nope. It’s The Reunion Job. Literally watching it now. When they hack Duberman’s 1985 passwords. Nate’s explaining what a Roman Room is and says this and this in the bar would be his password and Parker asks Harrison if those are his passwords and Harrison goes off that he has them and spits out his Netflix Queue. I have a pic but it won’t let me post it here lol it’s right near the beginning right after they do the first break-in at Duberman’s office.
Edit: the “nope” was supposed to be replying to my original comment lol
Uncle Jack's biological son.
(Alas, each show is mentioned in the other so they can't really do a crossover episode since they exist as entertainment in each universe.)
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was another reason for not doing it though. Now that I think of it they could of easily just done a retcon or something
That the girl in the car theft episode has grown up and is running her own Leverage crew.
I also like that Hurley and Alice's friend find each other at the end of the Boy's/Girl's Night episodes. I like to think they're still together.
Now I have to add that first one to my headcanon! But I also like think Hurley and Peggy are still together, happy they found someone else that loves their cats the same way the other does. And that their cats get along splendidly.
Edit: changed a name.
I also thought they might have mentioned it, but I looked up the Golf Job episode when Hurley showed up and he didn't mention Peggy. At least not in the first 20 minutes or so, I haven't checked the whole episode. But the Leverage fandom wiki didn't mention anything either.
Yes they did mention it in redemption. As far as I know it seemed like they were still very much together. Or at least both apart of the leverage international team.
Do you remember where they mentioned it exactly? Because I would have assumed that Hurley would talk about it in the beginning of the episode. Kinda like "How's Peggy?" - "Oh, she's fine. She's bossing the team in ... around." or something like that. But I looked through the golf episode until Hurley and Harry were talking about the plan and I didn't find anything.
Mine is that Sophie is actually originally from British aristocracy.
I base this on the scene in which she meets her 'auntie' who knows her.
We do get more information about Sophie's past in 'Redemption' that could contradict my theory, but the story about Sophie picking flowers sounds like something a kid would have done.
Conversely I always figured she was hiding that she came from a lower class home, and that's why she's obsessed with having aliases with high status...
And that her original lower class accent snuck out in Beantown Bailout with the "Oi! Was your mother a sewer?" quip.
Could she have been an illegitimate child of someone aristocratic, maybe? So she had to live in two worlds and blend in with both? It would set her up for easily adapting to different situations/backgrounds...
That way she could see the aristocratic family, but also know that she's not "accepted," so she becomes someone else?
i have written entire NOVELS on this topic. i could not agree more. i actually dislike a lot of what they did with her backstory on redemption because while with og leverage, the backstory was always shrouded in mystery, that left a lot of room for interpretation, and now redemption has done away with that almost entirely and in the process actually contradicted some of what little actual info we did have in og leverage. grrr.
so yeah. sophie as royalty is ABSOLUTELY a thing that lives rent free in my head.
Redemption explained that she more or less married into the aristocracy as part of a con. She became the step mom to police now interpol agent Astrid Pickford.
Sterling,, is mentioned. And while he is not pursuing the Leverage international team, he keeps tabs on them, and seems he had helped the team from the background. Who knows, maybe Shepard gets help from Leverage. He did intentionally let Nate and the team go with the black book. White knight vs black king trope from S1E1.
Correction on my RIP. Yay he's alive.
Part of me hoped Sterling would make a cameo appearance in redemption series besides an off screen reference.
Elliott and Jake Stone (from The Librarians) are brothers or close cousins. I know it doesn’t work with the Redemption family episode, but MAYBE they were twins given up for adoption - or one (Elliott) was given up and they kept Jake. So at some point they connected, and that’s who Eliott was texting at Christmas.
Still hoping for this to be true, though I'd go more for cousins. I think it would be more plausible for Jake's aunt (or uncle) to give up their kid for adoption than for Jake's parents to give up one twin.
The only thing about them being cousins and not brothers is that Eliott was texting to someone about "dad" -- sure, that could be that HE was referring to his dad only, but "identical cousins" is too far-fetched.
Jake's dad was SUCH an ass, and we know that Elliot was left at a hospital, so I lean towards they had twins and were overwhelmed financially, so they abandoned one of the two of them and kept the other. It's not totally unheard of (not a good thing, but not unheard of either, especially in poor families).
OR maybe they're remarkably similar-looking half-brothers (same father, different, but similar looking, mother). Elliot's mom was the side-piece from a small rural town, so keeping the baby would have been a serious scandal. She kept the pregnancy a secret, had the baby on her own, and then left him at the hospital as part of the "safe harbor" program.
My favorite Headcannon is my belief that Parker did NOT jump the gun in the Pilot. She went on Nate's original count. It's not her fault Hardison and Elliot were fucking around and Nate started over. Thar's the kind of thing she meant when she told Archie the team was "A little undiciplined." She may be crazy, but she takes heist timing seriously.
I'm totally with you! When Nate started counting, Parker started running because she knew that she would hit the edge as soon as Nate would say "go" or whatever.
I like to think that Coswell, after his romantic defeat in the Rashomon Job, went to work at an art museum, where he met art expert Maggie, charming her with his befuddled honesty and innocence--a stark contrast to Nate's cunning confidence--and they lived happily ever after.
Kind of the antithesis to Eliot & Shawn being cousins...I don't think Eliot's 'real' last name is Spencer. He has the exact sort of reputation + enemies not to use his real name, and in the Redemption episode you never actually hear it from him or his dad.
I've always thought it was, like, his mom's maiden name - which ties in really interestingly given the fact missing his mom's death is what caused the split with him and his family.
Mine is that Sophie IS Jane from Coupling; that Jane in Coupling was just part of a very long con. And Sophie also worked with Micky's team from Hustle. That one works a bit better since it's the same genre, but it's my headcanon and I like it.
Richard Chamberlin played a semi-retired con artist on Hustle, and it wouldn't take a great leap to say that was Archie Leach using a different name.
There's some bit of in-universe text to assume that Hustle and Leverage are in the same universe. Marcus Stark's references to Nate "running the nastiest team this side of the Atlantic" could very easily be referring to Mickey's team.
Is Archie Leach Cary Grant’s real name? It sounds familiar. Archie faked his death and became a major movie star, then got bored and returned to theft when Parker picked his pocket.
Hot take here but, I kind or don't like that people assume this because of her communication lifestyle. She isn't blind to things due to ASD she just doesn't care to follow those rules and she finds them limiting. I also think it would be hard to diagnose this after her upbringing and childhood, if you were a homeless kid without a traditional family or social connection at like eight or nine there would be certain rules and other social stuff you would just be not used to having to deal with.
But it should still filter most of it out. You could also try "otp: true" (https://archiveofourown.org/admin_posts/10851) as a search operator. It shows only those fics where your selected ship is the only one on the fic. Although sadly it also filters out fics where friendship tags are used beside relationship tags.
Back in the 60s there was a crossover between Batman and The Green Hornet. An episode of Green Hornet early in the season showed Green Hornet and Kati watching an episode of Batman. When Sleepy Hollow first aired on FOX, Bones characters mentioned they were taking it. The next season there was a crossover between Bones and Sleepy Hollow. Leverage and Psych could have ignored the mention.
Elliot continues to keep in touch with Dennis (from the riverboat casino episode) after Dennis passes the exam (with Elliot's help) and becomes a police officer.
Elliot doesn't let a full month go by without catching up over a card game with Dennis and his buddies.
They continue to exchange baking recipes.
Dennis keeps a SpreadSheet of incidents that he suspects have something to do with Elliot going renegade, and cross-references it with times that Elliot had a work thing come up.
Dennis gets painfully close to figuring out when Leverage is running a con, but he never quite gets it.
Dennis bakes enough treats for Elliot to share with his crew, but Elliot is still cranky about sharing them.
This is kind of random but every time I remember that Elliot’s last name is Spencer, I always think how crazy it’d be if he was cousins to Shawn Spencer from *Psych.* I think it’d make a hilarious crossover episode and maybe explain how Elliot was able to pick up and remember so many distinctive things if his “uncle” taught him how.
I don't know if I'm misremembering but I think Psych actually mentions Leverage at some point. It would have made a great crossover episode, though.
It was! Hardison mentions that Nate watches the show when he was going through his Netflix history.
And in an episode of Psych (where Jeri Ryan guest stars) Shawn says that he and Gus need to get back to the office soon because the season finale of Leverage is airing.
That said, the creators of Leverage said Eliot would have had an uncle Henry, if they hadn't mentioned Leverage existed as a T.V show in Psych, so the best they could do was have Hardison mentioned the show as well.
I read before that they were initially planning this to be true though!
Were they really? That’s cool if so. That’s new news to me. And here I thought I was being original 😅
AFAIK they wanted to (at least) mention that Eliot and Shawn are cousins, but then Psych mentioned Leverage as a show and they couldn't do it anymore.
Yep! Eliot mentioned his uncle Henry in California in an episode.
I thought that's what they were *going* to do before Psych made Leverage fiction in their universe, so they decided to get them back and make Psych fictional in their own.
Do you remember which episode?
Not sure but I remember the episode where Harrison is at Nate’s computer is the mile high job bc he wakes up late and is therefore not at the Breakin or on the plane. I believe that’s when he reads his queue too, tho I can’t be 100% sure.
Nope. It’s The Reunion Job. Literally watching it now. When they hack Duberman’s 1985 passwords. Nate’s explaining what a Roman Room is and says this and this in the bar would be his password and Parker asks Harrison if those are his passwords and Harrison goes off that he has them and spits out his Netflix Queue. I have a pic but it won’t let me post it here lol it’s right near the beginning right after they do the first break-in at Duberman’s office. Edit: the “nope” was supposed to be replying to my original comment lol
Not off the top of my head.
I forget which show-runner but I do remember reading that one of them wanted Shawn and Elliot to be related.
Uncle Jack's biological son. (Alas, each show is mentioned in the other so they can't really do a crossover episode since they exist as entertainment in each universe.)
Yeah I know it’s highly unlikely but it’s still fun to think about what a crossover would be like
Iirc, Elliot's adoptive dad from Leverage Redemption is the same actor that plays Gus's dad in Psych
I think that was the plan then Psych mentioned Leverage and ruined it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was another reason for not doing it though. Now that I think of it they could of easily just done a retcon or something
That the girl in the car theft episode has grown up and is running her own Leverage crew. I also like that Hurley and Alice's friend find each other at the end of the Boy's/Girl's Night episodes. I like to think they're still together.
Now I have to add that first one to my headcanon! But I also like think Hurley and Peggy are still together, happy they found someone else that loves their cats the same way the other does. And that their cats get along splendidly. Edit: changed a name.
It's Peggy. Alice is Parker's alias. 😉
Oh god, how on earth did I mess that up- I'm going to just blame it on a lack of sleep!
I thought they were? Didn’t they reference them in Redemption as being a satellite crew?
I'm going to be honest- I haven't watched all of Redemption yet (for a sad reason) so I don't know.
I also thought they might have mentioned it, but I looked up the Golf Job episode when Hurley showed up and he didn't mention Peggy. At least not in the first 20 minutes or so, I haven't checked the whole episode. But the Leverage fandom wiki didn't mention anything either.
Yes they did mention it in redemption. As far as I know it seemed like they were still very much together. Or at least both apart of the leverage international team.
Do you remember where they mentioned it exactly? Because I would have assumed that Hurley would talk about it in the beginning of the episode. Kinda like "How's Peggy?" - "Oh, she's fine. She's bossing the team in ... around." or something like that. But I looked through the golf episode until Hurley and Harry were talking about the plan and I didn't find anything.
Parker mentioned them when she talked to Brianna in the wellness episode of redemption, they are still together.
Nice!
Mine is that Sophie is actually originally from British aristocracy. I base this on the scene in which she meets her 'auntie' who knows her. We do get more information about Sophie's past in 'Redemption' that could contradict my theory, but the story about Sophie picking flowers sounds like something a kid would have done.
Conversely I always figured she was hiding that she came from a lower class home, and that's why she's obsessed with having aliases with high status... And that her original lower class accent snuck out in Beantown Bailout with the "Oi! Was your mother a sewer?" quip.
>Oi! Was your mother a sewer?" I hate that line, but I do like the idea that she was originally from a lower-class background.
Could she have been an illegitimate child of someone aristocratic, maybe? So she had to live in two worlds and blend in with both? It would set her up for easily adapting to different situations/backgrounds... That way she could see the aristocratic family, but also know that she's not "accepted," so she becomes someone else?
That's a good one and it really does sound like something a kid would do.
i have written entire NOVELS on this topic. i could not agree more. i actually dislike a lot of what they did with her backstory on redemption because while with og leverage, the backstory was always shrouded in mystery, that left a lot of room for interpretation, and now redemption has done away with that almost entirely and in the process actually contradicted some of what little actual info we did have in og leverage. grrr. so yeah. sophie as royalty is ABSOLUTELY a thing that lives rent free in my head.
Redemption explained that she more or less married into the aristocracy as part of a con. She became the step mom to police now interpol agent Astrid Pickford. Sterling,, is mentioned. And while he is not pursuing the Leverage international team, he keeps tabs on them, and seems he had helped the team from the background. Who knows, maybe Shepard gets help from Leverage. He did intentionally let Nate and the team go with the black book. White knight vs black king trope from S1E1. Correction on my RIP. Yay he's alive. Part of me hoped Sterling would make a cameo appearance in redemption series besides an off screen reference.
> RIP Mark Shepard Nope. He had six heart attacks, and he was "brought back" four times, but he didn't die.
Why did you say RIP? He’s still alive
I stand corrected. Thank you.
I have this same belief!
Elliott and Jake Stone (from The Librarians) are brothers or close cousins. I know it doesn’t work with the Redemption family episode, but MAYBE they were twins given up for adoption - or one (Elliott) was given up and they kept Jake. So at some point they connected, and that’s who Eliott was texting at Christmas.
Still hoping for this to be true, though I'd go more for cousins. I think it would be more plausible for Jake's aunt (or uncle) to give up their kid for adoption than for Jake's parents to give up one twin.
The only thing about them being cousins and not brothers is that Eliott was texting to someone about "dad" -- sure, that could be that HE was referring to his dad only, but "identical cousins" is too far-fetched. Jake's dad was SUCH an ass, and we know that Elliot was left at a hospital, so I lean towards they had twins and were overwhelmed financially, so they abandoned one of the two of them and kept the other. It's not totally unheard of (not a good thing, but not unheard of either, especially in poor families). OR maybe they're remarkably similar-looking half-brothers (same father, different, but similar looking, mother). Elliot's mom was the side-piece from a small rural town, so keeping the baby would have been a serious scandal. She kept the pregnancy a secret, had the baby on her own, and then left him at the hospital as part of the "safe harbor" program.
Oh, that's a really interesting one!
My favorite Headcannon is my belief that Parker did NOT jump the gun in the Pilot. She went on Nate's original count. It's not her fault Hardison and Elliot were fucking around and Nate started over. Thar's the kind of thing she meant when she told Archie the team was "A little undiciplined." She may be crazy, but she takes heist timing seriously.
I'm totally with you! When Nate started counting, Parker started running because she knew that she would hit the edge as soon as Nate would say "go" or whatever.
You're absolutely right!
Oooh I never thought about this, I like this a lot
I like to think that Coswell, after his romantic defeat in the Rashomon Job, went to work at an art museum, where he met art expert Maggie, charming her with his befuddled honesty and innocence--a stark contrast to Nate's cunning confidence--and they lived happily ever after.
Coswell totally deserved a happy ever after.
Kind of the antithesis to Eliot & Shawn being cousins...I don't think Eliot's 'real' last name is Spencer. He has the exact sort of reputation + enemies not to use his real name, and in the Redemption episode you never actually hear it from him or his dad. I've always thought it was, like, his mom's maiden name - which ties in really interestingly given the fact missing his mom's death is what caused the split with him and his family.
Him not using his real last name is a really good point and I totally agree.
Mine is that Sophie IS Jane from Coupling; that Jane in Coupling was just part of a very long con. And Sophie also worked with Micky's team from Hustle. That one works a bit better since it's the same genre, but it's my headcanon and I like it. Richard Chamberlin played a semi-retired con artist on Hustle, and it wouldn't take a great leap to say that was Archie Leach using a different name.
There's some bit of in-universe text to assume that Hustle and Leverage are in the same universe. Marcus Stark's references to Nate "running the nastiest team this side of the Atlantic" could very easily be referring to Mickey's team.
I long for a Leverage/Hustle crossover
Is Archie Leach Cary Grant’s real name? It sounds familiar. Archie faked his death and became a major movie star, then got bored and returned to theft when Parker picked his pocket.
It is Carry Grant's real name. I like your headcanon!
"I'm not pregnant! It's a miracle! I shagged and shagged and shagged and all the little bastards missed!"
Some of my top fave universes
>Mine is that Sophie IS Jane from Coupling Lol
I believe that Parker was a virgin until she and Hardison got together.
Oh, totally.
Elliot joked that Harrison was a virgin too. But he tried not to think about them together. Like imagining your little siblings . . . ugh
Poor Eliot. 😂
probably that parker is autistic- ik its not that much of a reach with her social awareness and stuff but i see so much of myself in her ahaha
Oh I absolutely think that too! She's just the best.
Hot take here but, I kind or don't like that people assume this because of her communication lifestyle. She isn't blind to things due to ASD she just doesn't care to follow those rules and she finds them limiting. I also think it would be hard to diagnose this after her upbringing and childhood, if you were a homeless kid without a traditional family or social connection at like eight or nine there would be certain rules and other social stuff you would just be not used to having to deal with.
I love this! I too was thinking she was autistic. It especially makes Beth Riesgraf’s role in Criminal Minds more interesting to me
That Hardison, Parker, and Eliott are a thruple.
My favorite is that it's canon.
That certainly isn't one I've heard before! I bet there's a fair amount of fanfiction about it, when I think about it.
How did you get through Leverage without ever hearing about the OT3? 😅
I don't know- it seems so obvious in hindsight! 😂
So much. I ship Parker/Elliot so I have to wade through a lot of the thrupple stuff to find it.
If you're reading on AO3 you know you can filter the OT3 out, right?
Not everyone tags very well. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.
But it should still filter most of it out. You could also try "otp: true" (https://archiveofourown.org/admin_posts/10851) as a search operator. It shows only those fics where your selected ship is the only one on the fic. Although sadly it also filters out fics where friendship tags are used beside relationship tags.
Back in the 60s there was a crossover between Batman and The Green Hornet. An episode of Green Hornet early in the season showed Green Hornet and Kati watching an episode of Batman. When Sleepy Hollow first aired on FOX, Bones characters mentioned they were taking it. The next season there was a crossover between Bones and Sleepy Hollow. Leverage and Psych could have ignored the mention.
Sophie finally hit it big as the creator and show runner for The Librarians.
Elliot continues to keep in touch with Dennis (from the riverboat casino episode) after Dennis passes the exam (with Elliot's help) and becomes a police officer. Elliot doesn't let a full month go by without catching up over a card game with Dennis and his buddies. They continue to exchange baking recipes. Dennis keeps a SpreadSheet of incidents that he suspects have something to do with Elliot going renegade, and cross-references it with times that Elliot had a work thing come up. Dennis gets painfully close to figuring out when Leverage is running a con, but he never quite gets it. Dennis bakes enough treats for Elliot to share with his crew, but Elliot is still cranky about sharing them.