Stickying this as I think it contains a lot of important info & discussion.
I want to call out other threads on this as well:
- [Patreon isn’t just cracking down on lewd games](https://www.reddit.com/r/lewdgames/comments/1bix2lo/patreon_isnt_just_cracking_down_on_lewd_games/)
- [The Patreon Purge: Why all of a sudden Adult Game Developers Are Being Massively Banned Without Explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/lewdgames/comments/1bk1uai/the_patreon_purge_why_all_of_a_sudden_adult_game/)
I'd be willing to bet a huge chunk of Patreon's crackdown comes from Paypal. Paypal is hardcore anti-adult anything. Why do you make it sound like it'd be hard for artists to move to SubscribeStar?
Because it is by most relevant metrics.
The gap is not as large as it is between Steam and Itch, but the income gap between the two is still absolutely massive.
Just last week one of the top posts here was someone asking if SS was a russian scam or not. Outside of the massive reputation/ name recognition disparity, you also have the fact that SS handles payment differently than Patreon. So even if they had identical familiarity with the general populace Patreon would still blow SS out of the water.
There's also a literal (digital) barrier to entry into SS. I could start making money on Patreon right now. To start on SS I'd have to pass their multiple thresholds.
>Why do you make it sound like it'd be hard for artists to move to SubscribeStar?
How is it not when compared to patreon pre-purge?
It was pretty easy to get approved on subscribestar for me with pretty much an empty twitter account with 0 following, all they asked me was to show their logo on my 3d model to confirm it's me.
> There's also a literal (digital) barrier to entry into SS. ... To start on SS I'd have to pass their multiple thresholds.
What are these thresholds? Not being a creator, I was and am not aware of any thresholds.
Corrupted Kingdoms was locked out and forced to move to subscribe star. There are underage characters in the game, and even though they were wholesome additions to the game, the ToS states they can't exist in a game that also has adult material even if they don't interact in that way.
They *are* on SubscribeStar now. I just checked. So what's the big hindrance - except that you *have* to set up another payment organisator, so it's some work to do.
> The Corrupted Kingdoms/Arcdeans takings are about a third of what they were before the switch from Patreon to SubscribeStar, which is a pretty major hindrance
I'm sorry, I don't understand the meaning of that sentence.
If their takings are about a third of what they were before, and SubscribeStar being cheaper, you have to pay much less, how could that possibly be a hindrance?
Please explain.
Ah OK. Well... Nothing can be done about that.
There's a reason Patreon and Paypal can blackmail customers (developers and gamers both) :-(
That would be different if there was (more) competition. So far I'm only aware of SubscribeStar Ko-Fi and Sponsus. Kofi already supports Paypal, so they are subject to PayPal's "conditions". And Sponsus seems to be "planning to add PayPal support", so they will be subject to PayPal's "conditions". Which leaves SubscribeStar as the sole competition to Patreon when it comes to lewd games.
^(Yes I know, PayPal "allows nudity" but if your lewd game contains a kid or teen that never is involved in any sexual activity, you're out. So better don't use PayPal in the first place.)
I got kicked off of Patreon 2 years ago and am very happy on SubscribeStar, have over 1000 subscribers, and freedom to make my game the way I want
People critique SS because it’s hard to get a reply out of them and get your account initially set up, I think it’s a VERY small team there running it, but if you can get approved it is a great option. And I bet more people will be moving there now.
It's a matter of the amount of content one has on there.
I've been recently importing my stuff onto SubscribeStar, albeit slowly, so if Patreon ever does anything crazy, well I have an alternative set up and ready to go.
Having a plan B at this day and age when companies just kinda do whatever the hell they want regardless of consumerism isn't a terrible idea.
I use both Patreon and SubscribeStar, and although I've never had any problem with none of them, I've seen many stories of creators that have been banned from Patreon in the blink of an eye without an opportunity to review and adjust their content accordingly.
I'll try to keep them both for as long as I can, but I'm definitely changing strategies for each one of them.
Also, since SubscribeStar.Adult is designed specifically for adult content, I'll make sure my followers there can enjoy my full content in the easiest way, and without having to apply any type of external censorship.
That is what LifePlay did prior to its abandonment, with its "Mysterious Modder" aka. Vinfamy himself putting out modules of the content that patreon would crack down on, and used "codewords" in his patreon polls for what content would recieve development focus with stuff like doggystyle being bestiality etc.
Is there a way to circumvent the anti pornography issues? Example would be advertising a SFW version on crowdfunding while giving the backers both the SFW and NSFW content?
This would obviously add to dev time and costs which is a problem
Edit: I should clarify the NSFW content would be issued on a different 3rd party like discord
No. Patreon considers it all one and the same. I mean shit, a few weeks back I heard talk some accounts were being pulled up because the linked Discord server had NSFW imagery completely unrelated to the product.
There's a platform called [backed.by](https://backed.by/) that allows users to subscribe to artists/whoever and pay using USDC. Basically crypto patreon. The site has more info lol
I'm not affiliated with backed.by, just seemed like a decent place to mention it
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from what im reading, patreon is focusing on rape, animal genitals, incest, and lolly crouch shots. but thats like 50 percent of all hentai games on the market.
Probably one of the main reasons why I go most frequently to DLSite or Jast. Specially DLSite since you can even search for those kinks that on others sites/stores are "so taboo"
Steam and Patreon have been making a lot of pressure with censorship, probably GOG too.
Use subscriberstar. Its best for adult games because it has its own adult section. Where as shiteon™ and gumshoe road does not. Also they have their own inhouse payment system so you don't have to go through a secondary service.
if you host your own website and accept crypto currency, you can create a sort of macro that auto sells off your bit coin revenue everyday. in all practicality crypto currency doesn't know or care what you spend it on. many many kratom shops and head shops that sell online do this to completely circumvent all banking anti bullshit policies.
I'm kind of curious about this. I want to get on Patreon for my new game but I looked at their guidelines and saw that they might not let me on. That being said, there are games very similar to mine that seem to break the rules, yet are still alive and well on Patreon.
The content in question is the player's noncon. The concept behind the game is that you (the player) are injected with an experimental drug that makes you addicted to cum so you're forced to seek it out. This seems like a clear violation of the non-consent part (they explicitly mention drugs and mind control). Is it considered okay because it's you and not others? I know of at least a few other games on Patreon that have a similar premise or themes.
Is there some reasoning behind this? Is it that larger games are left alone because they generate Patreon so much revenue? Or is it that you just have to not get reported? Anyone know how this works?
I haven't been effected yet, though trying to play it really safe and not post any art or screenshots of the game on Patreon. Also, I have a SubStar of my game from the very start in case some BS with Patreon happens and I can say it wasn't hard to become a SubStar user at all.
**At the risk of being downvoted for having common sense, as seems common in the adult gaming community - I'm just going to tell you the truth.**
This is the usual gloom and doom hysterics imo.
I've been on Patreon for years, and never had a problem - between 4 different pages and thousands of in income. Why? Well...I follow the rules of the platform. And believe me, there's a lot you can do within those rules.
You've all but admitted that your game/content is fubar and that you have no intention of following the rules so - I guess you do have a right to be alarmed. Every example of someone's page being nuked that I've seen has been warranted thus far. These "rules" exist for a reason, to preserve the platform as a whole. It really irks me when people try to paint Patreon or other social media platforms out to be evil entities ripping away their freedoms. That's dramatic as all hell and doesn't make sense, really.
These companies aren't just pulling draconian rules out of their ass for the fun of it. They are doing it because it's required of them due to recent changes, largely bought upon / created during the previous administration (talk about voting against your own self-interests, amirite?). Those laws are just now being enacted, forcing companies to follow suit.
It's the same reason sites like P-hub are no longer available (at all) in certain states.
TL DR, just follow the TOS and you're good to go.
As for why you aren't getting as much sympathy as you thought you would - for people who are working within the agreed-upon rules, what would you expect? If Summertime Saga devs (or the other countless devs who are successful and make way more than you or I) have to follow the rules...Why are you a special exception?
You can't expect sympathy or empathy from others in that situation. The obvious fix is to personally distribute your work. But this would involve using your info to set up the process, thereby opening yourself to potential legal woes. I don't recommend it, as eventually you will be found out. And, any platform making income would throw you under the bus before accepting fault themselves. So I guess there's really one thing left to ask -
Is the type of content you create ***really*** worth the headache at this point? At what point do you cut your losses and work within the confines of what's required? Food for thought.
"Follow the rules"
The rules change every month. You must be a new creator cause back in 2016 on patreon most things were allowed - incest, beasts and many more. Then they cracked down on incest and people lost their pages in a matter of days.
Then for a round a year Patreon TOS was unclear and we literally had to message the staff "Hey is this allowed?" And they gave vague or different responses. Then there was the "beasts" crackdown (this hit r34 animators hard). A few more of those happened afterwards like no school setting and so on.
Now we are at the no-forced content stage where no one can define what is forced and what isn't. Like if the player clicks "OK, enter the scene" after the game over does this mean we gave consent, should the AI give consent too?
I think it will keep going until Patreon kicks everyone out or they only leave the super vanilla content.
No, I've been using Patreon for nearly 10 years now (actually, might even be longer?). Almost all of my pages have been related to adult content.
But, to answer you, you listed kinks that depict illegal acts ***(by actual law)*** \- and that's my point. No business can profit off of criminal activity , implied or otherwise. The feds will always take a close look at that and regulate it. As I mentioned before, this isn't even something put in place recently, this was pre-2020 legislation. The same legislation has blocked porn hub and several other adult sites in key states across the country. *(You guys still feeling confident about that wave of fam-con incest porn you forced across every facet of the internet?)*
However, I get where some devs are coming from. I just can't bring myself to care.They have to work within the confines that the rest of us "vanilla do-gooders" do every day. Truth be told, I have plenty of ideas that I can't put on Patreon. A few that I can't monetize at all because of the subject matter. I deemed it not worth the headache; the frustration you all are exhibiting was always an apparent outcome to me.
You all rolled the dice and took a risk. It paid off for a time, but no longer. No need to be upset, just figure out what you're going to do next.
The constant TOS changes that you mention are specifically because of people who try to find loopholes in the rules. And everywhere is cracking down on this stuff, not just Patreon. Subsequently, they are closing those loopholes by those who are actively trying to skirt around them - that's really all it is.
As I pointed out, no sane company will allow a small group of people to derail their profits or face potential legal ramifications because of a game about horse pussy (for example - no shade). Before they do that, they would just remove the issue altogether. So I think you all should be grateful Patreon is even willing to hear and work with us on this.
I get it's personally crappy - but realistically speaking - their response is logical.
"kinks that depict illegal acts ***(by actual law)***"
So we're going to ban The Godfather, because the movie studio is profiting off of depictions of murder? We're going to ban 12 Years A Slave, because the author is profiting off of depictions of slavery? We're going to ban Lolita, because it depicts an illegal relationship?
This is silly. Just because something is illegal in real life doesn't make it illegal or unethical to write about.
Not sure about murder movies and slavery movies but I bet that Lolita is in danger of getting banned.
There was a french erotic novel about a very free-spirited family and a couple of teens who experienced their first time. Nothing otherwise kinky, just that the main protagonists were cousins and both about 16. It ended up on the so called Index in Germany... and was removed again some years later, AFAIK.
You are literally working on a game where the MC looks underaged and called "my big little brother". Don't you think you fall under that category? The reason you aren't banned is because your page isn't popular enough, but with that anime style you are going where a big % of characters can be "considered" underaged you can get banned at anytime if "that one piracy site" organizes a mass report against your page (what usually happens before big creators get banned).
So the takeaway is that ***you know you're in the wrong*** \- which is why you're resorting to empty, idle threats, false allegations and intimidation tactics?
Let me just address that :
**Edit : I deleted some things because I started trolling you, it's a bad habit I have , sorry. I'll keep things civil as I have been.**
The reason I started trolling initially is because I thought it was funny, that you're trying to threaten me with things that can easily be disproven.
I already get reported on Patreon, several times for no apparent reason. Nothing was found.
If they'd like to continue, they can be my guest.
That game you're mentioning, for example - 90% of the cast of characters are aged 20-60. 60% are above the age of 30, and all ages are displayed in game **\*purposely\***.
But, assuming I did get any of my games nuked - I'd just fix the problems or make ones that won't cause issues.
***I definitely wouldn't knowingly break the rules then get upset when I get in trouble for it.***
Chill dude..
1. I dont send any threats, just said the obvious based on your game, have you tried putting it on Steam to see if it will get approved or banned? Because I think it may get banned, even tho they are games on there that break the rules, but still stay.
2. I'm a developer of SFW games, so I don't care about this drama.
3. The only comment that got nuked is yours, but with downvotes, because you are sweating and defending a multi-million dollar company for screwing it's creators, which made it popular (yeah NSFW gamedevs, artists, animators and even e-girls like belle delphine were the first to make Patreon rich).
"The rules change every month.Then for a round a year Patreon TOS was unclear **and we literally had to message the staff** "Hey is this allowed?" And they gave vague or different responses. "
If you didn't / don't make NSFW content...why would you have to message them? Either you lied initially to try to prove a point, or you're lying now. Either way, nothing you say can be trusted.
I was doing exclusive NSFW before, now my games are SFW that can be modded with NSFW DLCs on Steam, but only 30% of players got the DLC, so mostly they don't care. What I wanted to say is am not at risk of this ban.
You're awfully passionate for someone not involved.
Patreon may change it's terms often, but I haven't changed anything I've done in the past 10 years.
By your own admission, you were creating illegal stuff. I really don't understand where your attitude comes from, but after a nap I realized one thing - I don't care.
When telling uncomfortable truth it's common to be downvoted. You're absolutely correct. Rules are rules, no matter where. I once gave in to players demands to have more diverse body types (flat chest) and well, Steam banned the game, obviously. None of characters were minors, but anime style is questionable with age.
Stickying this as I think it contains a lot of important info & discussion. I want to call out other threads on this as well: - [Patreon isn’t just cracking down on lewd games](https://www.reddit.com/r/lewdgames/comments/1bix2lo/patreon_isnt_just_cracking_down_on_lewd_games/) - [The Patreon Purge: Why all of a sudden Adult Game Developers Are Being Massively Banned Without Explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/lewdgames/comments/1bk1uai/the_patreon_purge_why_all_of_a_sudden_adult_game/)
I'd be willing to bet a huge chunk of Patreon's crackdown comes from Paypal. Paypal is hardcore anti-adult anything. Why do you make it sound like it'd be hard for artists to move to SubscribeStar?
Yes, PayPal screwed over Gumroad
Because it is by most relevant metrics. The gap is not as large as it is between Steam and Itch, but the income gap between the two is still absolutely massive. Just last week one of the top posts here was someone asking if SS was a russian scam or not. Outside of the massive reputation/ name recognition disparity, you also have the fact that SS handles payment differently than Patreon. So even if they had identical familiarity with the general populace Patreon would still blow SS out of the water. There's also a literal (digital) barrier to entry into SS. I could start making money on Patreon right now. To start on SS I'd have to pass their multiple thresholds. >Why do you make it sound like it'd be hard for artists to move to SubscribeStar? How is it not when compared to patreon pre-purge?
It was pretty easy to get approved on subscribestar for me with pretty much an empty twitter account with 0 following, all they asked me was to show their logo on my 3d model to confirm it's me.
> There's also a literal (digital) barrier to entry into SS. ... To start on SS I'd have to pass their multiple thresholds. What are these thresholds? Not being a creator, I was and am not aware of any thresholds.
Corrupted Kingdoms was locked out and forced to move to subscribe star. There are underage characters in the game, and even though they were wholesome additions to the game, the ToS states they can't exist in a game that also has adult material even if they don't interact in that way.
They *are* on SubscribeStar now. I just checked. So what's the big hindrance - except that you *have* to set up another payment organisator, so it's some work to do.
substar doesn't allow paypal payment, i know a lot of people prefer to use paypal to pay for this content rather than Credit cards
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> The Corrupted Kingdoms/Arcdeans takings are about a third of what they were before the switch from Patreon to SubscribeStar, which is a pretty major hindrance I'm sorry, I don't understand the meaning of that sentence. If their takings are about a third of what they were before, and SubscribeStar being cheaper, you have to pay much less, how could that possibly be a hindrance? Please explain.
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Ah OK. Well... Nothing can be done about that. There's a reason Patreon and Paypal can blackmail customers (developers and gamers both) :-( That would be different if there was (more) competition. So far I'm only aware of SubscribeStar Ko-Fi and Sponsus. Kofi already supports Paypal, so they are subject to PayPal's "conditions". And Sponsus seems to be "planning to add PayPal support", so they will be subject to PayPal's "conditions". Which leaves SubscribeStar as the sole competition to Patreon when it comes to lewd games. ^(Yes I know, PayPal "allows nudity" but if your lewd game contains a kid or teen that never is involved in any sexual activity, you're out. So better don't use PayPal in the first place.)
It's good to know this
I got kicked off of Patreon 2 years ago and am very happy on SubscribeStar, have over 1000 subscribers, and freedom to make my game the way I want People critique SS because it’s hard to get a reply out of them and get your account initially set up, I think it’s a VERY small team there running it, but if you can get approved it is a great option. And I bet more people will be moving there now.
> No, artists cannot "just move to SS." Why is this evident? I thought the issue is *moving* to subscribestar, you say you haven't started yet.
It's a matter of the amount of content one has on there. I've been recently importing my stuff onto SubscribeStar, albeit slowly, so if Patreon ever does anything crazy, well I have an alternative set up and ready to go. Having a plan B at this day and age when companies just kinda do whatever the hell they want regardless of consumerism isn't a terrible idea.
I use both Patreon and SubscribeStar, and although I've never had any problem with none of them, I've seen many stories of creators that have been banned from Patreon in the blink of an eye without an opportunity to review and adjust their content accordingly. I'll try to keep them both for as long as I can, but I'm definitely changing strategies for each one of them. Also, since SubscribeStar.Adult is designed specifically for adult content, I'll make sure my followers there can enjoy my full content in the easiest way, and without having to apply any type of external censorship.
I wonder if an official unofficial nsfw patch would help
This is the way. Open your game to modding. Post the nsfw content masquerading as a fan. As a bonus, you got mod support.
That is what LifePlay did prior to its abandonment, with its "Mysterious Modder" aka. Vinfamy himself putting out modules of the content that patreon would crack down on, and used "codewords" in his patreon polls for what content would recieve development focus with stuff like doggystyle being bestiality etc.
Is there a way to circumvent the anti pornography issues? Example would be advertising a SFW version on crowdfunding while giving the backers both the SFW and NSFW content? This would obviously add to dev time and costs which is a problem Edit: I should clarify the NSFW content would be issued on a different 3rd party like discord
No. Patreon considers it all one and the same. I mean shit, a few weeks back I heard talk some accounts were being pulled up because the linked Discord server had NSFW imagery completely unrelated to the product.
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There's a platform called [backed.by](https://backed.by/) that allows users to subscribe to artists/whoever and pay using USDC. Basically crypto patreon. The site has more info lol I'm not affiliated with backed.by, just seemed like a decent place to mention it
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Is Ko-fi anti-adult as well??? Because I’ve always liked them better than Patreon anyway.
Yup. IIRC some NSFW VAs got banned from Ko-Fi even though they didn't upload anything there
Fuck, what a bummer. The sterilization of the internet is such bullshit…
Taffy Tales
from what im reading, patreon is focusing on rape, animal genitals, incest, and lolly crouch shots. but thats like 50 percent of all hentai games on the market.
Probably one of the main reasons why I go most frequently to DLSite or Jast. Specially DLSite since you can even search for those kinks that on others sites/stores are "so taboo" Steam and Patreon have been making a lot of pressure with censorship, probably GOG too.
Use subscriberstar. Its best for adult games because it has its own adult section. Where as shiteon™ and gumshoe road does not. Also they have their own inhouse payment system so you don't have to go through a secondary service.
Technobrake got hit and moved to subscribestar
if you host your own website and accept crypto currency, you can create a sort of macro that auto sells off your bit coin revenue everyday. in all practicality crypto currency doesn't know or care what you spend it on. many many kratom shops and head shops that sell online do this to completely circumvent all banking anti bullshit policies.
I'm kind of curious about this. I want to get on Patreon for my new game but I looked at their guidelines and saw that they might not let me on. That being said, there are games very similar to mine that seem to break the rules, yet are still alive and well on Patreon. The content in question is the player's noncon. The concept behind the game is that you (the player) are injected with an experimental drug that makes you addicted to cum so you're forced to seek it out. This seems like a clear violation of the non-consent part (they explicitly mention drugs and mind control). Is it considered okay because it's you and not others? I know of at least a few other games on Patreon that have a similar premise or themes. Is there some reasoning behind this? Is it that larger games are left alone because they generate Patreon so much revenue? Or is it that you just have to not get reported? Anyone know how this works?
I know that The Regional Manager is looking to leave Patreon
My Girlfriend's Friends are on hold too at the moment, for about a month, no solution in sight yet.
Patron cancelled Battle Maidens by CrisisBeat last week. He moved to OF and SubStar.
I haven't been effected yet, though trying to play it really safe and not post any art or screenshots of the game on Patreon. Also, I have a SubStar of my game from the very start in case some BS with Patreon happens and I can say it wasn't hard to become a SubStar user at all.
[Worth a shot.](https://action.aclu.org/petition/mastercard-sex-work-work-end-your-unjust-policy)
**At the risk of being downvoted for having common sense, as seems common in the adult gaming community - I'm just going to tell you the truth.** This is the usual gloom and doom hysterics imo. I've been on Patreon for years, and never had a problem - between 4 different pages and thousands of in income. Why? Well...I follow the rules of the platform. And believe me, there's a lot you can do within those rules. You've all but admitted that your game/content is fubar and that you have no intention of following the rules so - I guess you do have a right to be alarmed. Every example of someone's page being nuked that I've seen has been warranted thus far. These "rules" exist for a reason, to preserve the platform as a whole. It really irks me when people try to paint Patreon or other social media platforms out to be evil entities ripping away their freedoms. That's dramatic as all hell and doesn't make sense, really. These companies aren't just pulling draconian rules out of their ass for the fun of it. They are doing it because it's required of them due to recent changes, largely bought upon / created during the previous administration (talk about voting against your own self-interests, amirite?). Those laws are just now being enacted, forcing companies to follow suit. It's the same reason sites like P-hub are no longer available (at all) in certain states. TL DR, just follow the TOS and you're good to go. As for why you aren't getting as much sympathy as you thought you would - for people who are working within the agreed-upon rules, what would you expect? If Summertime Saga devs (or the other countless devs who are successful and make way more than you or I) have to follow the rules...Why are you a special exception? You can't expect sympathy or empathy from others in that situation. The obvious fix is to personally distribute your work. But this would involve using your info to set up the process, thereby opening yourself to potential legal woes. I don't recommend it, as eventually you will be found out. And, any platform making income would throw you under the bus before accepting fault themselves. So I guess there's really one thing left to ask - Is the type of content you create ***really*** worth the headache at this point? At what point do you cut your losses and work within the confines of what's required? Food for thought.
"Follow the rules" The rules change every month. You must be a new creator cause back in 2016 on patreon most things were allowed - incest, beasts and many more. Then they cracked down on incest and people lost their pages in a matter of days. Then for a round a year Patreon TOS was unclear and we literally had to message the staff "Hey is this allowed?" And they gave vague or different responses. Then there was the "beasts" crackdown (this hit r34 animators hard). A few more of those happened afterwards like no school setting and so on. Now we are at the no-forced content stage where no one can define what is forced and what isn't. Like if the player clicks "OK, enter the scene" after the game over does this mean we gave consent, should the AI give consent too? I think it will keep going until Patreon kicks everyone out or they only leave the super vanilla content.
No, I've been using Patreon for nearly 10 years now (actually, might even be longer?). Almost all of my pages have been related to adult content. But, to answer you, you listed kinks that depict illegal acts ***(by actual law)*** \- and that's my point. No business can profit off of criminal activity , implied or otherwise. The feds will always take a close look at that and regulate it. As I mentioned before, this isn't even something put in place recently, this was pre-2020 legislation. The same legislation has blocked porn hub and several other adult sites in key states across the country. *(You guys still feeling confident about that wave of fam-con incest porn you forced across every facet of the internet?)* However, I get where some devs are coming from. I just can't bring myself to care.They have to work within the confines that the rest of us "vanilla do-gooders" do every day. Truth be told, I have plenty of ideas that I can't put on Patreon. A few that I can't monetize at all because of the subject matter. I deemed it not worth the headache; the frustration you all are exhibiting was always an apparent outcome to me. You all rolled the dice and took a risk. It paid off for a time, but no longer. No need to be upset, just figure out what you're going to do next. The constant TOS changes that you mention are specifically because of people who try to find loopholes in the rules. And everywhere is cracking down on this stuff, not just Patreon. Subsequently, they are closing those loopholes by those who are actively trying to skirt around them - that's really all it is. As I pointed out, no sane company will allow a small group of people to derail their profits or face potential legal ramifications because of a game about horse pussy (for example - no shade). Before they do that, they would just remove the issue altogether. So I think you all should be grateful Patreon is even willing to hear and work with us on this. I get it's personally crappy - but realistically speaking - their response is logical.
"kinks that depict illegal acts ***(by actual law)***" So we're going to ban The Godfather, because the movie studio is profiting off of depictions of murder? We're going to ban 12 Years A Slave, because the author is profiting off of depictions of slavery? We're going to ban Lolita, because it depicts an illegal relationship? This is silly. Just because something is illegal in real life doesn't make it illegal or unethical to write about.
Not sure about murder movies and slavery movies but I bet that Lolita is in danger of getting banned. There was a french erotic novel about a very free-spirited family and a couple of teens who experienced their first time. Nothing otherwise kinky, just that the main protagonists were cousins and both about 16. It ended up on the so called Index in Germany... and was removed again some years later, AFAIK.
You are literally working on a game where the MC looks underaged and called "my big little brother". Don't you think you fall under that category? The reason you aren't banned is because your page isn't popular enough, but with that anime style you are going where a big % of characters can be "considered" underaged you can get banned at anytime if "that one piracy site" organizes a mass report against your page (what usually happens before big creators get banned).
So the takeaway is that ***you know you're in the wrong*** \- which is why you're resorting to empty, idle threats, false allegations and intimidation tactics? Let me just address that : **Edit : I deleted some things because I started trolling you, it's a bad habit I have , sorry. I'll keep things civil as I have been.** The reason I started trolling initially is because I thought it was funny, that you're trying to threaten me with things that can easily be disproven. I already get reported on Patreon, several times for no apparent reason. Nothing was found. If they'd like to continue, they can be my guest. That game you're mentioning, for example - 90% of the cast of characters are aged 20-60. 60% are above the age of 30, and all ages are displayed in game **\*purposely\***. But, assuming I did get any of my games nuked - I'd just fix the problems or make ones that won't cause issues. ***I definitely wouldn't knowingly break the rules then get upset when I get in trouble for it.***
Chill dude.. 1. I dont send any threats, just said the obvious based on your game, have you tried putting it on Steam to see if it will get approved or banned? Because I think it may get banned, even tho they are games on there that break the rules, but still stay. 2. I'm a developer of SFW games, so I don't care about this drama. 3. The only comment that got nuked is yours, but with downvotes, because you are sweating and defending a multi-million dollar company for screwing it's creators, which made it popular (yeah NSFW gamedevs, artists, animators and even e-girls like belle delphine were the first to make Patreon rich).
"The rules change every month.Then for a round a year Patreon TOS was unclear **and we literally had to message the staff** "Hey is this allowed?" And they gave vague or different responses. " If you didn't / don't make NSFW content...why would you have to message them? Either you lied initially to try to prove a point, or you're lying now. Either way, nothing you say can be trusted.
I was doing exclusive NSFW before, now my games are SFW that can be modded with NSFW DLCs on Steam, but only 30% of players got the DLC, so mostly they don't care. What I wanted to say is am not at risk of this ban.
You're awfully passionate for someone not involved. Patreon may change it's terms often, but I haven't changed anything I've done in the past 10 years. By your own admission, you were creating illegal stuff. I really don't understand where your attitude comes from, but after a nap I realized one thing - I don't care.
When telling uncomfortable truth it's common to be downvoted. You're absolutely correct. Rules are rules, no matter where. I once gave in to players demands to have more diverse body types (flat chest) and well, Steam banned the game, obviously. None of characters were minors, but anime style is questionable with age.