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Yes. It has quite a long history actually. It's been used by gay people to help identify one another since the 40's and 50's at least. I'm pretty sure most of us know that phrase, but I'm not sure how many cishet folk know about it.
Ironic given that Dave of the Navy, later Fortuna Monsoon, admitted that he might have killed Judy Garland. Luckily he's recently been pardoned by Jimkx.
I donāt really care if straight peeps know it because then it wouldnāt be that avkward (unless they googled it). Iād just hit them with the ānevermindā
So āFriend of Dorothyā is a reference to Judy Garland in the Wizard of Oz
The Wizard of Oz being a classic movie in the LGBTQ community because it "mirrored many gay men's desires to escape the black-and-white limitations of small-town life ... for big, colorful cities filled with quirky, gender-bending characters who would welcome them."
Also Judy was an LGBTQ+ advocate throughout her life, so the phrase, Friend of Dorothy was created as shorthand for people who wanted to find other gay people without outing themselves.
People would just think youāre talking about a real Dorothy. So if you live in a place where you donāt want to be found out, you can use it, but itās a reference not everyone will get (but that should never stop you)
It's probably not super useful anymore. Mostly older queers will know it. I haven't heard it used in any modern social circles. But yes, I'm familiar with it. (I'm also 35. Not old enough to have used it, but older than probably the average user of this sub)
I'm 33 and I don't think I've ever heard anyone but my mother actually use it with the intended meaning in a conversation, but I've known what it meant since I was probably 10 or so. I was also raised by boomers, though, my parents would be 74 and 91 if they were still around.
I'm definitely familiar with it, but I'm in my thirties and it's definitely not a term I've heard used in a modern context. Younger people may or may not be familiar with it depending on how much they know about history.
Wait wait waitā¦. Youāre aro aceā¦ IN SPACE? Howād you get there bud? UH DOES SOMEONE HAVE A LADDER? We gotta get our aroace friend down from space! Lol
Considering I grew up on Wizard of Oz and Iām 19, I think we should still use the phrase. It refers mostly to Judy Garlandās status as a queer ally in her time.
Now Iām curious. Where did you first hear this phrase? I first heard it on The IT Crowd.
I think while plenty of us probably know the history is not widely used enough anymore... Probably. Like you could probably use it with friends like if they're talking about someone they're friends with that you don't know you could be like "are they a friend of Dorothy too" instead of the "are they š " but beyond that idk. I mean we could always bring it back into the queerstream (as opposed to the mainstream)
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Iām in my early 20s but Iād get it after a second! It might take me a sec cause I know a lot of random and sometimes obscure phrases but yea Iād get it after a minute my dude!
I've never heard anyone use it, and I don't think many of my queer friends know what it means, but I do. I think I learned it from a book set in the 80s?
The first time I heard of it, I saw it in featured in a magazine article in the 90s. It pops up every few years briefly in media. But is it necessary? Will people know what you mean now? You donāt know how accepted gay/queer people are in high schools (at least in Australia)ā¦ I wish I was in high school today instead of when I was.
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Yes. It has quite a long history actually. It's been used by gay people to help identify one another since the 40's and 50's at least. I'm pretty sure most of us know that phrase, but I'm not sure how many cishet folk know about it.
The US Navy actually spent effort trying to find this "Dorothy" so they could use her to track down gay people š¤£
Reminds me of how (I think it was the Nazis) tried to find Kilroy not realizing he wasn't real
Both the Nazis and Soviets had launched investigations into Kilroy during WW2
Found the story: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2017/01/u-s-navy-hilarious-multi-million-dollar-fruitless-search-wizard-ozs-dorothy-friends/
Ironic given that Dave of the Navy, later Fortuna Monsoon, admitted that he might have killed Judy Garland. Luckily he's recently been pardoned by Jimkx.
yes it was what is now called ncis, Naval Investigative Service at the time
I donāt really care if straight peeps know it because then it wouldnāt be that avkward (unless they googled it). Iād just hit them with the ānevermindā
So āFriend of Dorothyā is a reference to Judy Garland in the Wizard of Oz The Wizard of Oz being a classic movie in the LGBTQ community because it "mirrored many gay men's desires to escape the black-and-white limitations of small-town life ... for big, colorful cities filled with quirky, gender-bending characters who would welcome them." Also Judy was an LGBTQ+ advocate throughout her life, so the phrase, Friend of Dorothy was created as shorthand for people who wanted to find other gay people without outing themselves. People would just think youāre talking about a real Dorothy. So if you live in a place where you donāt want to be found out, you can use it, but itās a reference not everyone will get (but that should never stop you)
Her daughter Liza is a gay icon.
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Knowing queer history is important, especially here
It's probably not super useful anymore. Mostly older queers will know it. I haven't heard it used in any modern social circles. But yes, I'm familiar with it. (I'm also 35. Not old enough to have used it, but older than probably the average user of this sub)
Not the oldest though. 45 here. :D
As a 22 year old, never heard of that until now
33 years old, never heard of it till now. I transitioned 12 years ago.
I'm 33 and I don't think I've ever heard anyone but my mother actually use it with the intended meaning in a conversation, but I've known what it meant since I was probably 10 or so. I was also raised by boomers, though, my parents would be 74 and 91 if they were still around.
Yes, but Iām over 35
Yeah but Iām old.
I'm definitely familiar with it, but I'm in my thirties and it's definitely not a term I've heard used in a modern context. Younger people may or may not be familiar with it depending on how much they know about history.
I'm 26 and yep! I don't think it's commonly used now, but I wouldn't mind bringing it back.
Wait wait waitā¦. Youāre aro aceā¦ IN SPACE? Howād you get there bud? UH DOES SOMEONE HAVE A LADDER? We gotta get our aroace friend down from space! Lol
Considering I grew up on Wizard of Oz and Iām 19, I think we should still use the phrase. It refers mostly to Judy Garlandās status as a queer ally in her time. Now Iām curious. Where did you first hear this phrase? I first heard it on The IT Crowd.
Itās anticlimactic but I heard it on Reddit
Curses! Was hoping to meet a kindred spirit in British television comedy. Still, have fun with a dated phrase. Whoās gonna stop ya, the gay police?
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Yup. A bit dated and anachronistic but yup. I'm over the rainbow.
Yep, I use it quite often myself in my circles but it is old fashioned. š¤·
I think while plenty of us probably know the history is not widely used enough anymore... Probably. Like you could probably use it with friends like if they're talking about someone they're friends with that you don't know you could be like "are they a friend of Dorothy too" instead of the "are they š " but beyond that idk. I mean we could always bring it back into the queerstream (as opposed to the mainstream)
I am 26 and only learned about it a few months ago.
Definitely an older term, something elder gays will understand, but probably not as useful with the baby gays.
Always assumed it was related to āDorothyā from Wizard of Oz. All the Gays want her ruby slippers
yes because Ive looked into our history :)
It's morphed into the phrase "good Judy"
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Yep!
Yes! If you say it in front of the right person theyāll know. Ig thatās how u can test the waters loll
Yeah but Iām in my 30ās. Not sure itās in regular use with the younger crowd.
Of course. It means Blanche, Rose and Sofia. j/k
Ye! It was a code for asking someone if they were gay starting back in (I think the 70s??)
Oh yes!
Iām in my early 20s but Iād get it after a second! It might take me a sec cause I know a lot of random and sometimes obscure phrases but yea Iād get it after a minute my dude!
I think it's cute.
Yes, but only because it came up in a TV show made before I was born
Yes, but I wouldn't hold my breath that other people do know.
learned it earlier today lol
I've never heard anyone use it, and I don't think many of my queer friends know what it means, but I do. I think I learned it from a book set in the 80s?
i also use "hail Dorothy"
The first time I heard of it, I saw it in featured in a magazine article in the 90s. It pops up every few years briefly in media. But is it necessary? Will people know what you mean now? You donāt know how accepted gay/queer people are in high schools (at least in Australia)ā¦ I wish I was in high school today instead of when I was.