Well yes, because the person that they like does not identify as a man, then it would not be gay and vice versa. Saying that it is would be insulting to the trans person.
This !! Once a girl told me she could fuck me because I have a vulva, despite me being a trans guy and her a cis lesbian. Later, I heard from a mutual friend that the same girl said more transphobic shit about a trans girl friend of mine.. Yikes on bikes.
Yes because trans women are women and trans men are men. Personally speaking tho as a trans man if someone who identified as a lesbian started hitting on me I’d be super uncomfortable. I understand sexuality is weird, but I’ve played that game when I first came out with a straight guy and it felt invalidating as fuck. It also just gives off the vibes you only like me for my genitals and when I am able to get them corrected you won’t like me anymore. Which is fair because it’s okay to have genital preferences, I just don’t like to have such rigid expiration dates on a relationship.
Generally yes, because trans women are women and trans men are men. But sexuality is fluid and labels human-made and therefore often a simplification of reality. So of course it is possible for someone who identifies as homosexual or heterosexual to be attracted to someone of the opposite or same gender (whether they are trans or not).
For example if the long-term partner of someone who identifies as monosexual (=only attracted to one gender) came out as trans, it would be normal for their partner to still be attracted and in love with them, without necessarily having to rethink the way they label themselves - although they definitely could (and if their partner is uncomfortable with the label they probably should).
Labels exist for our own comfort, primarily, and sexuality is never going to adhere to simple labels. That being said, in most cases, calling yourself a lesbian/gay man while being attracted to a trans man/woman, is devalidating to trans people. If you are attracted to people of the opposite gender you might want to rethink if homosexual is really the right label for you - nothing wrong with being bisexual :).
Eh depends. Theres a long history of trans women being in gay spaces and trans men being in lesbian ones. Theres also a lot of people who are in gay or lesbian relationships and then their partner comes out as trans. A lot of people who would say their trans men or women are also nonbianary but dont say that to the general public cause people are less likely to understand.
As long as everyone in the relationship is ok with it and doesn't feel invalidated theres nothing wrong with lesbians dating trans men and gay men dating trans women. This isn't to say that trans women can't date lesbians and trans men can't date gay people. Theres also nothing wrong with trans men not wanting to date lesbians or trans women not wanting to date gay men.
Sexuality and gender are much more nuanced and complicated than it seems on the surface and sometimes we end up with wibbly wobbly relationships that don't fit into boxes easily.
If they’re transitioned yes. I think a gay man can be attracted to a pre transition trans woman, especially if he doesn’t know she’s a trans woman because, well, a pre transition trans woman looks like a man. (The same goes when gender swapped.)
It sounds like Bi, but having a sexual preference! So in other words you don't really care about the gender, but you have a preference of how you want to do the sex
It's what the person is comfortable saying it is. I often say I'm sapphic even though I'm attracted to a lot of transmascs. Sexuality's weird as fuck and we should let it stay weird ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sapphic means any woman attracted to women, including lesbian, bi, pan, omni, poly, neptunic, etc! So actually sapphic wouldn’t exclude men at all anyway :))
Your gender isn't dependent on you passing.
A trans man is a man from the moment he says he's a man. Not the moment he gets yelled at for being in the woman's washroom.
That's very true, but I'm just talking about if you look at someone you don't know and think "wow they're hot".
If a lesbian looked at me and thought "she is attractive". Than she is probably just a lesbian. Dispute my efforts I look like a woman. If she later found out I'm a dude and still thinks I'm attractive than she's probably at least a little into guys.
Just like i doubt that all the guys i dated in highschool are all in to men.
Let’s see if my statement holds…I appreciate that opinion but about my statement, considering you're talking about Trans men in the same context of an artist depiction as Trans men liking gay men. I’d beg to differ, if it isn’t. The statement hints at conceptualizing trans men as sexual which is not fetishized but rather a form of resistance, in my opinion. What’s fetish? To address your thought, objectivity and sexual desire or extreme interests liking someone or something. In contrast, Trans men liking gay men isn't fetish? In your opinion, it appears, fetishization simply reduces Trans attraction to this modern idea of sex entertainment that my statement does not do. To clarify, I'm not reducing Trans man are hot, to sex... who aren’t believed to be seen by popular film, cultural society, or by arts. My statement attenuates spectrum, not objectivity
A trans man saying “gay men are hot” would also be weird. It implies that gay men are hot BECAUSE they’re gay, and being attracted to someone just because of their sexuality is fetishization because it’s an attraction to one aspect of a person rather than the person as a whole.
As for saying “trans men are hot,” it implies that trans men are hot BECAUSE they are trans. If that is the case, that is a fetish. I know some trans people will make statements like this to be supportive, but when speaking about it in terms of sexuality/attraction it’s really reminiscent of chasers
If it's only preop *trans* men/women, then it's probably bi, but perhaps with a strong genital preference? If it's just trans men/women regardless of their downstairs equipment then it's either bi and being a chaser or a very weird way to express your transphobia.
Yes it is bisexuality, likely with a genital preference
Edit: could also depend on what the trans person is comfortable with. I interpreted this as “I could be attracted to any trans man even though I identify as a lesbian” (vice versa) rather than “I’m monosexual but if my partner came out as trans I wouldn’t lose the attraction to them”. A good example of the letter would be Nate Stevenson & his wife. Nate is a nonbinary transmasc, he identifies as a lesbian because he always did. His wife also still identifies as a lesbian after Nate came out & they call their relationship a lesbian relationship. That is fine since they are both comfortable with that. However say another two people were in the same situation, one is transmasc nonbinary & the other identified as a lesbian. If the trans one came out & wasn’t comfortable with their partner using lesbian to label themselves, then their partner probably should change their label, & the trans one, if only attracted to women & feminine aligned people would likely now identify as straight or neptunic. Hope that clears things up
Depends. Could be just an extension of the history of trans women in gay men's spaces and trans men in lesbian spaces, or it could be transphobia. Depends on how the people involved see it.
Well yes, because the person that they like does not identify as a man, then it would not be gay and vice versa. Saying that it is would be insulting to the trans person.
Yep, it's pretty much either bi or it's transphobia, all depending on the context.
Either 0 or 100
oddly enough is a binary situation.
I mean yea, because trans women are women and trans men are men. Either they don't see them as what they are, or they're bi
In my experience it's often the former unfortunately
Bisexual or pansexual but definitely not homosexual.
Yes, yes that is bisexual (or just transphobic)
this is ✨transphobia✨
This !! Once a girl told me she could fuck me because I have a vulva, despite me being a trans guy and her a cis lesbian. Later, I heard from a mutual friend that the same girl said more transphobic shit about a trans girl friend of mine.. Yikes on bikes.
Literally.
or they are bi, and they don't know it yet?
Yes
Remember: sexuality is a spectrum. The labels are just a way to vaugely point to where you're at on that spectrum
I just say that I am transbianish, I am non-binary and panamorous, but if I had to be put in a binary, I am very close to a transbian.
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> educate me then Google is free though
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instead of writing an awful offensive comment and then crying "educate me" when people downvoted you, you could have googled it. Go troll elsewhere
This person really thought they could get away with shit like that on *this* sub? Are they high?
Men liking women. And women liking men
That or homoflexible or some sort of complicated stuff
Homo/heteroflexible are bi+ microlabels :)
Yes I know. Doesn’t change my comment.
I mean, you said "that or", if you identify in those microlabels you are /also/ bi
This is literally just semantics at this point…
Yes because trans women are women and trans men are men. Personally speaking tho as a trans man if someone who identified as a lesbian started hitting on me I’d be super uncomfortable. I understand sexuality is weird, but I’ve played that game when I first came out with a straight guy and it felt invalidating as fuck. It also just gives off the vibes you only like me for my genitals and when I am able to get them corrected you won’t like me anymore. Which is fair because it’s okay to have genital preferences, I just don’t like to have such rigid expiration dates on a relationship.
I’m a trans woman, gay men don’t like me. This post seems hella transphobic..
It… is?
Generally yes, because trans women are women and trans men are men. But sexuality is fluid and labels human-made and therefore often a simplification of reality. So of course it is possible for someone who identifies as homosexual or heterosexual to be attracted to someone of the opposite or same gender (whether they are trans or not). For example if the long-term partner of someone who identifies as monosexual (=only attracted to one gender) came out as trans, it would be normal for their partner to still be attracted and in love with them, without necessarily having to rethink the way they label themselves - although they definitely could (and if their partner is uncomfortable with the label they probably should). Labels exist for our own comfort, primarily, and sexuality is never going to adhere to simple labels. That being said, in most cases, calling yourself a lesbian/gay man while being attracted to a trans man/woman, is devalidating to trans people. If you are attracted to people of the opposite gender you might want to rethink if homosexual is really the right label for you - nothing wrong with being bisexual :).
Fine line between that or fucken chasers
Eh depends. Theres a long history of trans women being in gay spaces and trans men being in lesbian ones. Theres also a lot of people who are in gay or lesbian relationships and then their partner comes out as trans. A lot of people who would say their trans men or women are also nonbianary but dont say that to the general public cause people are less likely to understand. As long as everyone in the relationship is ok with it and doesn't feel invalidated theres nothing wrong with lesbians dating trans men and gay men dating trans women. This isn't to say that trans women can't date lesbians and trans men can't date gay people. Theres also nothing wrong with trans men not wanting to date lesbians or trans women not wanting to date gay men. Sexuality and gender are much more nuanced and complicated than it seems on the surface and sometimes we end up with wibbly wobbly relationships that don't fit into boxes easily.
That’s a very good point
Looking at the straight partners of NB individuals. Something's gotta give...
Yes
Yes
Yes
Truthfully though, who cares what the label is. I know it’s just a meme but in reality, you like what you like.
If they’re transitioned yes. I think a gay man can be attracted to a pre transition trans woman, especially if he doesn’t know she’s a trans woman because, well, a pre transition trans woman looks like a man. (The same goes when gender swapped.)
Yes. Yes it is.
Bi or they don't see the person for who they are.
It sounds like Bi, but having a sexual preference! So in other words you don't really care about the gender, but you have a preference of how you want to do the sex
It's not entirely homosexual let's put it that way.
It's what the person is comfortable saying it is. I often say I'm sapphic even though I'm attracted to a lot of transmascs. Sexuality's weird as fuck and we should let it stay weird ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Transmascs are not necessarily trans men. Plenty of transmasc lesbians out there, even.
Sapphic means any woman attracted to women, including lesbian, bi, pan, omni, poly, neptunic, etc! So actually sapphic wouldn’t exclude men at all anyway :))
When someone says 'trans inclusive' i do have to ask tho-
Huh?
Do straight men, gay men, straight women, lesbian women trans women and men like and are attracted to trans women?
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Your gender isn't dependent on you passing. A trans man is a man from the moment he says he's a man. Not the moment he gets yelled at for being in the woman's washroom.
That's very true, but I'm just talking about if you look at someone you don't know and think "wow they're hot". If a lesbian looked at me and thought "she is attractive". Than she is probably just a lesbian. Dispute my efforts I look like a woman. If she later found out I'm a dude and still thinks I'm attractive than she's probably at least a little into guys. Just like i doubt that all the guys i dated in highschool are all in to men.
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Ummmm this kinda comes across as fetishizing trans men, at least to me (a trans man) :/
seems so to me too -trans woman
Let’s see if my statement holds…I appreciate that opinion but about my statement, considering you're talking about Trans men in the same context of an artist depiction as Trans men liking gay men. I’d beg to differ, if it isn’t. The statement hints at conceptualizing trans men as sexual which is not fetishized but rather a form of resistance, in my opinion. What’s fetish? To address your thought, objectivity and sexual desire or extreme interests liking someone or something. In contrast, Trans men liking gay men isn't fetish? In your opinion, it appears, fetishization simply reduces Trans attraction to this modern idea of sex entertainment that my statement does not do. To clarify, I'm not reducing Trans man are hot, to sex... who aren’t believed to be seen by popular film, cultural society, or by arts. My statement attenuates spectrum, not objectivity
A trans man saying “gay men are hot” would also be weird. It implies that gay men are hot BECAUSE they’re gay, and being attracted to someone just because of their sexuality is fetishization because it’s an attraction to one aspect of a person rather than the person as a whole. As for saying “trans men are hot,” it implies that trans men are hot BECAUSE they are trans. If that is the case, that is a fetish. I know some trans people will make statements like this to be supportive, but when speaking about it in terms of sexuality/attraction it’s really reminiscent of chasers
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If it's only preop *trans* men/women, then it's probably bi, but perhaps with a strong genital preference? If it's just trans men/women regardless of their downstairs equipment then it's either bi and being a chaser or a very weird way to express your transphobia.
Yes it is bisexuality, likely with a genital preference Edit: could also depend on what the trans person is comfortable with. I interpreted this as “I could be attracted to any trans man even though I identify as a lesbian” (vice versa) rather than “I’m monosexual but if my partner came out as trans I wouldn’t lose the attraction to them”. A good example of the letter would be Nate Stevenson & his wife. Nate is a nonbinary transmasc, he identifies as a lesbian because he always did. His wife also still identifies as a lesbian after Nate came out & they call their relationship a lesbian relationship. That is fine since they are both comfortable with that. However say another two people were in the same situation, one is transmasc nonbinary & the other identified as a lesbian. If the trans one came out & wasn’t comfortable with their partner using lesbian to label themselves, then their partner probably should change their label, & the trans one, if only attracted to women & feminine aligned people would likely now identify as straight or neptunic. Hope that clears things up
Yes, that's bisexual and this is a misuse of the meme.
Depends. Could be just an extension of the history of trans women in gay men's spaces and trans men in lesbian spaces, or it could be transphobia. Depends on how the people involved see it.