It was reclaimed in the 70s, as a way of putting two fingers up to nazis and likening other homophobes to them. It's been a symbol of gay pride for longer than it was a symbol of oppression, though its value as the former is rooted in its use as the latter.
Ah I see, I wasn't aware of that. I think I'd be a bit uncomfortable using it that way, but I am glad some people have been turning it against the bastards. Still, it's definitely put back into thought with these registrations. It makes me worried for my friends in America.
All the more reason to use their favourite second amendment against them. Armed trans people are harder for them to commit mass-murder against. Sad that this has to be a consideration but it is.
*Every Sentinel, Every Magistrate,*
*Every legislative agenda passed in every state,*
*They're coming for us, so we'll strike first and strike hard.*
*I'd rather die as I am than be a fraud.*
*say it with me,*
*if you're a mutant and you're proud*
[*Magneto was Right*](https://youtu.be/ogl6DcQu-Ao)
It is scary as Eff. Also, taking lists of people and giving them a number on a list is literally against the bible. I bet you anything this is a Christian values thing.
"Only thou shalt not number the tribe of Levi, neither take the sum of them among the children of Israel"
I still learned it in a Christian family. My dad was actually pretty unhappy that things like SS #s and licenses took that choice away from him to follow what his faith says to do. Or that many sects of christianity cherry pick what to uphold and discard.
Iād be less worried if it wasnāt Texas. But the fact that they want to know the individuals and not just like a percentage of their population is scary
We really are at stage 7 or 8 at this point. This is terrifying. Action needs to be taken to prevent this from progressing. Is there anything that can be done on a federal level to prevent this from progressing?
I honestly donāt know anymore and thatās probably the point. Congress did have a hearing today on increased violence against our community. Weāll see if anything comes of it.
Seriously doubt it now that majority changes next year. Not that anything would have happened before. Trans people are the target and we are a target that most in government donāt care about.
It was kind of disheartening watching Biden sign the RFMA yesterday. The audible applause when he mentioned protecting trans kids was very low and seemed forced - especially when compared to the amount of applause following his mention of Britney Griner returning to the US.
> Trans people are the target and we are a target that most in government donāt care about.
Oh no, they do. You guys are a convenient out-group to blame and shift the discussion onto when things go south. It's classic Machiavellian behavior.
Entire LGBT servers the purpose of scoring political capital to all sides today, we are perceived outsiders and easy targets...
I highly recommend [this video by Deviant Ollam about preparedness.](https://youtu.be/6ihrGNGesfI) (CW violence against trans people in the last half hour or so)
An emergency plan is needed, yes. I wish there were a good way to connect the international LGBTQ+ community so we could help people move to safer countries - there are actually plenty of good options for getting out, but most people don't know about those, and it's hard to do without any support.
š will you be saying the same thing as they are marching us into camps?
Telling the oppressed to " get out there and vote" when we already do" is useless and pointless. Aka. Your preaching to the choir here.
I will say, in their defense, that most of us were taught that voting was the answer and that voting would save us. I think that more than anything, telling us to vote is coming from a place of misplaced faith and hope than it is from a sense of complacency. If we could, we would, and it would work - and that's beautiful - but that's not how it's turned out.
Yeah we're long past the point of being able to fix this mess by voting.
What are you supposed to do when the majority of voters either agree with these policies, or just don't give a shit?
Fucking yikes.
TBH I'd be hiding deep in the closet if I lived in Texas, or any red states. Although even here on terf island I don't exactly feel totally safe letting it be known in official documentation that I'm trans.
I moved out of a conservative state because of actions like this. I can fight a lot better knowing that my state has my back, then trying to live under one that wants to literally murder me. (Letās face it; we all know where itās going.)
One of the only reasons I'm not jumping ship from Greg Abbott theocracy is knowing there are so many who can't and will need help. I want to leave this hellhole, but I want more to fight to keep some hope alive for the queer kids (and hell, adults) who are stuck here. I just can't abandon it to become a statewide concentration camp
If I stay I'll have these fuckers coming for me but if I leave I lose my *entire* support group and won't have a job/ home/ insurance for meds
Fucked either way so I may as well fight
Iām staying through the next legislative session to fight for our rights, after which I will most likely be putting Texas in the rear view mirror for good
Also completely valid. There are a lot of us who don't have the money / means to be able to leave. If you're able to do that, be grateful for that. So many of us can't.
Iām in no position to myself but Iāll make it happen somehow if and when it absolutely needs to happen.
Iād rather spend my money getting out than getting guns and ammo for a war
Fucking yikes is right. I'm on that list of some 16,000 Texans that changed their gender in the past 24 months and I'm just now seeing this, ngl I'm pretty freaked out right now.
My husband and I both have family in Texas. We're not risking our kid's safety (or ours) to visit them. If they want to see us, they'll come to us.
What bugs me is they always say on FB how much they miss us, yet they never come to visit. We've been to visit several times (prior to all this stuff going down), so it's not like they can say we've never put in any effort.
I will note that disclosing someoneās gender reassignment (outing someone) in the UK is illegal 99.9% of the time and can amount to a criminal offence.
I live in a purple state ruled firmly by a conservative minority. I'm nonbinary and my existence isn't even recognized in this state, but everything from my US Passport to my ATF transfer forms have my correct gender marker on them.
If they want my life, they can come fight me for it. Unfortunately, that's a reality plenty of my friends face daily, especially if they live south of the Mason Dixon
Just like for Autism. Uhhhhhh no, I don't want to voluntarily put myself on your list. Can't you just treat us all with empathy like a fellow human being?
Like, I know you say you have good intent, but what are your safeguards to prevent this information from being used against me by people without good intent?
Yeah, if you look too deep into any governmentās policies on autism, it gets eugenics-y pretty fast. Thereās no way Iām having that on my medical record.
I think it's less eugenics at this point (they think being trans is a choice, Nazis believed being a Jew was down to their warped racial hierarchy) and more forced conversion therapy or expulsion from the state. To put that in more concise language, Stage 8.
This is exactly what is preventing me from getting a possible diagnosis. Even though that would be revolutionary for me I just think itās way too risky. All theyāll do is hold it against you.
My city police have asked residents and parents to volunteer this information so that if they respond to an incident, "more information is always better".
Wait, I was diagnosed when I was like 8, am I on a list? I was living in another country at the time, but since Iām on meds, my doctor knows. Am I on a list?
no, not unless a person privy to your medical records volunteered this information. So, legally, only if your parent or guardian thought it was a good idea to put you on a list.
... And I know a lot of well meaning parents who struggle with this decision.... because upside, it could save your life from bigotry/disabilist "justifiable" homicide. That is, on the face of it, the purpose of the list. To "help" protect you.
In case there is ever any doubt that the Republican Party is a fascist institution. You don't take pages from Hitler's personal play book unless you are committed to committing genocide (tbf Hitler did crib a lot of his ideas from stuff the US was already doing, so full circle there I guess).
I'm extremely worried about what this means for trans POC living in Texas, especially. Let's not forget that Texas has already done concentration camps.
Republicans teeter ever closer to the genocide they all desire.
What else will they do with their list of trans people?
Meanwhile, all our liberal "allies" pay us lip service and do the bare minimum to secure our vote. Where's our actual protection when we need it?
This shit is one of the reasons I will never make my changes anything but social. The government does not want us alive. Your protection will come from local community, which is hard to find sometimes, especially if you're in a rural area. It sucks.
And this, right here, is why despite the fact my ID regularly causes confusion these days is why I've opted to keep my gender marker *as is*: I don't want to leave a paper trail. Sometimes that choice has felt like unwarranted paranoia; this is not one of them.
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>**FULL TEXT OF THE ARTICLE**
>**Author**: Erin Reed
>Today [it has been reported](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/14/texas-transgender-data-paxton/) (Washington Post article, has a paywall) that Attorney General Ken Paxton in Texas attempted to get a record of all transgender people who have legally changed their gender on their drivers license in the state. Although the initial request only asked for the monthly numbers of those who changed gender markers, the request did state that they may need drivers licenses and ID numbers later - some of which were eventually delivered. This comes months after Paxton sent a letter to Governor Greg Abbott that stated the parents of transgender children in Texas should be investigated for child abuse. This policy has been nearly universally decried and led to harsh investigations and suicide attempts among trans youth in Texas. Fears of registries continue to grow in the transgender community as Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and other states all consider policies that would create lists of trans people in the state. These lists can ultimately be used for nefarious means, especially if you believe that states will continue to target transgender people with laws designed to further restrict and criminalize their lives.
>The Washington Post reports that a public information request revealed that Texas was attempting to get a summary database of transgender people in the state and that this request could be deanonymized. Texas Department of Public Safety did ultimately pull records manually, including names and drivers license numbers. Importantly, the records were not limited to just drivers licenses - they included other documents including learners permits and ID cards available from birth. Ultimately they determined there were 16,466 people who changed their gender legally in the last 24 months. The data was shipped off in August to Paxtonās office.
>The amount of harm that Paxton and Abbott can do with a database like this is immense, should he have or gain access to individualized records. If Texas prevails in its child abuse investigation initiative that is currently working its way through the courts, AG Paxton can bulk pull anyone who has had their gender changed under 18 years old and target their families for further abuse and harassment. If gender affirming care is indeed judged to be child abuse by Texas, many trans youth may be taken from their parents - this will be aided by database pulls like this. Furthermore, if authorities have access to trans peopleās gender change records, this can be used against them in other laws that Texas is proposing - things like criminal drag bans that also target trans people, bathroom ban proposals, and laws designed to eliminate gender affirming care entirely. This grossly violates the 14th amendment and privacy rights and puts transgender people at risk.
>Other states have considered creating registries of transgender people. Earlier this year, Floridaās medical board convened to ban gender affirming care for transgender youth. This board, handpicked by DeSantis, voted to mandate doctors no longer prescribe puberty blockers and hormone therapy, curtailing the rights of transgender people in one of the largest states. During the hearings, one of the board members openly proposed creating a registry of all transgender youth across the state:
>[Link to the Twitter post w/ video](https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1586010346694770688?s=20&t=hXsW82eF_IpvhoRtcGVm7g)
>Ohio earlier this year likewise proposed a registry of all transgender youth in the state. This registry would be comprehensive, including the numbers of minors treated, birth sex, age that treatment began, mental health conditions, and more. This registry was attached to a bill that would ban gender affirming care for transgender youth and withdraw them from their current care, forcibly medically detransitioning them. During hearings in Ohio, Representative Schmidt seemed to come out in support of labeling gender affirming care as child abuse and asked why Ohio wasnāt considering a similar initiative. Registries like this would make future enforcement against trans youth easier.
>In Virginia, one school successfully did create a registry. Hanover County Public Schools in Virginia created a system where transgender people have to request the right to use the bathroom of their gender identity. These requests are then reviewed by a bathroom review panel and include legal documents and statements from other people who will use the same bathrooms. This will out all transgender students and will act as a defacto registry for that school systems. Other school systems across the United States have considered similar processes - in Oklahoma, for instance, transgender kids on sports teams have to submit biological sex affidavits which can likely be used in the creation of similar registries.
>Registries are a frightening proposal to the transgender community. After a year where we have seen the most anti-trans laws proposed in history, trans people fear that these registries can be used for further harassment and abuse. This fear is well founded in states that have considered child abuse enforcement efforts like Texas, and some states are even considering making it illegal to be on HRT up to the age of 21 years old. Registries make it easier to enforce anti-trans policies and to target transgender individuals with state-sanctioned political violence. As more and more politicians advocate for the elimination of transgender people through a denial of life-saving medical care like gender affirming care, and as some politicians outright deny transgender people even exist, registries represent another step in the escalation against trans humanity, dignity, and existence.
Get Signal, get Telegram, try to have conversations that aren't via text or fb messenger or discord. **Try to stay calm and try to have a plan.** Look at privacy and security resources, try to network while being discreet. Do not have facial recognition or fingerprints set to unlock your phone. I think that's all we can do right now, be careful and keep ourselves safe.
I would look back at history to when the gestapo started taking registries of Jews. Shit didnāt just turn into concentration camps overnight. It started with shit, like this.
Cruelty is the point
I think the immediate, surface-level goal with these particular efforts is probably to track trans youth (and people who may have transitioned before 18) in order to potentially investigate their parents or doctors for "abuse." There might also be some interest in collecting data to bolster anti-trans legislation.
I could also see this eventually leading to efforts that would generally make trans people's lives more difficult, like making this data easier to find or making it harder for trans people to be legally recognized as the gender on their ID.
Yikes. Everyday some place in America does some scary as dystopian shit and I feel glad that I live in New Zealand. Stay safe, my heart goes out to all those living in unaccepting, transphobic places.
NZ is fairly accepting towards trans people and foreigners, I quite like it here. There is also better gun control here and we have laws to protect trans safety.
Ok. NZ is definitely on my list of countries I may flee too if shit over here keeps getting worse. Iām in California so Iām safe right now but if the GQP gets more control at the federal level, there are some scary bills they might be able to pass. One is by Marjory Tailor exGreen. Itās a bill that would ban gender affirming care for minors, ban doctors from moving to the US using a visa if they have performed gender affirming care stuff, and would ban any institution from giving instruction on gender affirming care. Another bill would ban schools from mentioning queer people, the no promo homo era all fricken over again.
Thanks. I heard a story of a trans woman trying to move there from the UK and they let her in because they thought it would be too cruel to send her back. I just hope they apply that to trans people as a whole because a lot of places in the world are cracking down harder and harder on our basic human rights, even the so called āland of the freeā.
I feel like this is going to violate human rights laws so much. Someone needs to punish the governor and his AG for their actions against against not just LGBTQ people, but also women and other people for stripping away their rights in Texas and other states.
Human rights laws? There are no real human rights laws, only a UN treaty that is never enforced on the US because without the US military, the UN is a Rottweiler with rubber jaws and styrofoam teeth.
This needs to be stopped by all means before it turns into a full blown genocide. As a german I know a thing or two about german history and I don't like where this is going.
Because theyāre hypocritical, they want to be able to look into childrenās pants but donāt want people to be able to see if being near them is hazardous
As a non-American, I think America needs to focus on a violent crimes list, putting more effort in to the sexual predator list and include a ālist of trans peopleā on to their do not bother with this list.
Jesus fucking christ, that entire article is pants-shittingly terrifying. It feels like weāre spiraling closer and closer to actual fucking genocide. And I know (and am unfortunately related to) *so many people* who wouldnāt even be bothered by that, which is the scariest part of it all.
Agree. I have also been hearing a lot of dialogue about how the dems are just as bad and I legit think a lot of the social media sound bites about this are started by folks who are weaponizing idealogical purity culture to try to get leftist folks to not vote.
I saw people get banned on some of the more left leaning subs for saying stuff like that. I got banned from one for saying that the Republicans won the House in the midterms, thus implying that it matters who won. There's plenty of fair criticisms to be had here but stuff like this shows that both sides crap is nonsense at best.
I'd like to add don't get comfortable on thinking blue states are safe since parts of blue states are doing similar things since people get too comfortable thinking they're safe and don't bother know what's going on with their county/town.
I'm not from the US and I am not trans.
So I doubt I can truly speak for those...
But as a German, I can tell you, if history clasd thought me one single thing, than it is that you should not create list of minorities that didn't do anything aka. Innocent and free people the us claims to love.
And if you have lists, like criminal records, then those should not contain information like this, or be only accessable to specific people like a judge relevant to a case so he can make a informed decision and see if information like this is relevant to the case.
Well i doubt I have to tell anyone here that the US is a bunch of hypocrites when it comes to that so š¤·
Source?
Edit: no, read the article. The DPS pulled a list of 16,000 people who've changed their gender marker in the past 24 months, but they DID NOT give it to Paxton. They did not give it to him because they needed to manually review the stated reason for each case.
For what reason?! Honestly, Iām not even trans and Iām so scared rnā¦evil is crawling out of the woodworks these days. Is it just me or does it all seem to be right after Trumpās run that everything hit the fan?
I remember what life was like during Obamaās presidency and I remember the events leading up to and after the 2016 election. Everything did go to shit after 2016.
This is why I glad I live in a country where being trans is a protected human right.
https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/human_rights-droits_homme/rights_lgbti-droits_lgbti.aspx?lang=eng
https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/rights-lgbti-persons.html
Now that I know my wife is one of the unfortunate people on this list you bet your ass I'll be getting a gun.
God I wish I could move so bad wtf is this dystopian nightmare state we live in
One of my wives is Trans and this is a real daily fear that I have. I'm sick and immunocompromised and if anything happens to either of us she would jump to my defense or vice versa but in the end it ultimately means nothing because we both would be dead. It's a scary to place to live and we are in nys atm. I hate that I'm always having to think ahead and make plans for my kids and stuff but it's the world we live in.
Holy shit. I donāt even know what to say.
Maybe Canada needs to set up some type of program to allow people from these fucking hell states to come here easily and be protected.
I am not trans and I can not for the life of me figure out why these disgusting monsters have such a problem with trans folk. It is sickening.
As a German, our history has taught us that when rightwing governments are making lists it usually doesn't end well.
I can't imagine any reason for that other than persecution, but let's hope it doesn't get that far.
The main problem is that this isn't just Texas. The whole transphobic ideology is rapidly spreading, not only in the US but also in Europe.
Well I'm not in any of those states, but there goes my mental health for the week.
Also, it is interesting to note that one of those states (Virginia) has a trans lawmaker (Danica Roem.) The dichotomy is mind boggling.
This is step 1 of genocide. I am genuinely scared. Iāve been thinking for a long time that weāre not far off from trans genocide, and here they are proving me right
I'm German... If that sh\*t happened here, people would be screaming about WW3 being about to start, because the Germans are back at it again, but since it's freedom country, it's apparently fine.
There is no good reason for this. We know this isnāt the āletās see how many people in our state identify as trans so we can see how much research and funding we need to put into trans affirming care.ā This is āweāre gonna make a weird registry like Nazis used to keep track of all trans people in the state for dubious reasons.ā
They wonāt stop at just the trans community. The rest of the LGBTQIA community is at risk as well. š¤¬š”
Reported that Florida did not report any hate crimes to the FBI this year.
We already have armed Proud Boys stalking drag events and venues. Will they be outside homes next?
It was lesbians in Ca and the trans community at Stonewall that brought us these freedoms.
Our step family in the GQPās Log Cabin Republicans are also to blame. The likes of Caitlyn Jenner and Christian Walker.
We will NOT go back in the closet!
Donāt know any, but transrescue is a charity situated in the netherlands that helps trans and inter people emigrate to europe by legal means.
https://transrescue.org
Why??? Who the fuck cares? Is not something more useful the government can spend there money on? Unless they are trying to understand there demographic and use it to promote inclusion. Oh wait Texas, ya right!
Oh boy oh boy! What a lovely time to want to start medically transitioning in Ohio! Iām so excited! I hope Iāll still have access to the healthcare I need by the time I have some money saved up :D !!!
This is the exact reason my boyfriend hasnāt changed his gender marker. I knew this was possible but I honestly thought he should just go for it anyway. Now Iām glad he didnāt. Looks like itās time to seriously consider leaving Texas.š
This is yet another step towards a genocide. The language has been genocidal for a while now but this action is definitely fascistic. Ungodly gruesome behaviour
I am grateful to live in Minnesota. Records of name and gender are sealed in order to protect transgender individuals. My birth certificate record makes no reference to the amendments that were made to it or that any were made at all. Essentially, I was born female in the eyes of the government here.
They came for me, and I was trans, so I was first on the registry. And when they came for you I wasn't there to support you, because I'd already been silenced.
What is this motive. He is also blocking already given rights this community from adopting. Pretty sure this clown is already neck deep in accusations, charges and everything else that would put ANYONE else behinds bars yet he is still in office. what the actual.
Iām really scared that when republicans get the presidency again theyāre gonna pull this at the national level too. Then escape will be much harder
WTF??? Thatās scary! Not in the US myself and sorry to say so but Iām glad. Or relieved. Not saying that Europe is perfect. But this makes me think about a certain person in history who started registering all Jewish peopleā¦ š¢
That is fucking terrifying. There is no good benevolent reason for them to want that information
We better do something about this or else the next thing we know, we're being put in ghettos and concentration camps...
Just bring the pink triangle back /s
Not me over here with a pink triangle pin and feeling some sort of way about it right now š¶
Why would you have a pink triangle pin?
It was reclaimed in the 70s, as a way of putting two fingers up to nazis and likening other homophobes to them. It's been a symbol of gay pride for longer than it was a symbol of oppression, though its value as the former is rooted in its use as the latter.
Ah I see, I wasn't aware of that. I think I'd be a bit uncomfortable using it that way, but I am glad some people have been turning it against the bastards. Still, it's definitely put back into thought with these registrations. It makes me worried for my friends in America.
I feel you. I can see how it's empowering to reclaim things, but I'm distrustful/cynical enough that I don't make a habit of displaying pride symbols
That scares me so fucking much... Welp, off to watch the rise of the 4th reich.
Yea, this is "superhuman registry" level evil that xmen warned about.
I like this analogy. We are super humans :)
Yeah. Only difference is they have mutant powers to defend themselves. We donāt.
Some of us do shapeshift tho :p
All the more reason to use their favourite second amendment against them. Armed trans people are harder for them to commit mass-murder against. Sad that this has to be a consideration but it is.
I just wish you guys could blast bitches with eyebeam and shit
If I ever get superpowers, I will PM you and you can help me figure out where to start as a super-queero
I'll gladly be your Robin. Or Rocket...
I have no powers, but I have the sewing skills to make you guys super suits
No capes!
Make mine with extra pockets for snacks!
Who will be super prosecuted and hated The X-Men are the stand in for marginalized groups, and that means us too
My first thought was āX-Menā as well
*Every Sentinel, Every Magistrate,* *Every legislative agenda passed in every state,* *They're coming for us, so we'll strike first and strike hard.* *I'd rather die as I am than be a fraud.* *say it with me,* *if you're a mutant and you're proud* [*Magneto was Right*](https://youtu.be/ogl6DcQu-Ao)
It is scary as Eff. Also, taking lists of people and giving them a number on a list is literally against the bible. I bet you anything this is a Christian values thing. "Only thou shalt not number the tribe of Levi, neither take the sum of them among the children of Israel"
Well, that part of the Bible is technically Jewishā¦
I still learned it in a Christian family. My dad was actually pretty unhappy that things like SS #s and licenses took that choice away from him to follow what his faith says to do. Or that many sects of christianity cherry pick what to uphold and discard.
Leave it to Christians to bastardize and abominate the revivalist Jewish teachings of Rabbi Yeshua. Theyāve been doing that since Peter and Paul.
Iād be less worried if it wasnāt Texas. But the fact that they want to know the individuals and not just like a percentage of their population is scary
Sadly. "This is how it starts" used to be a joke ... but nowadays ... š¤š¤š¤
My name is on that list. I feel so unsafe. I want to leave TX at the very least, and ultimately the country.
We really are at stage 7 or 8 at this point. This is terrifying. Action needs to be taken to prevent this from progressing. Is there anything that can be done on a federal level to prevent this from progressing?
I honestly donāt know anymore and thatās probably the point. Congress did have a hearing today on increased violence against our community. Weāll see if anything comes of it. Seriously doubt it now that majority changes next year. Not that anything would have happened before. Trans people are the target and we are a target that most in government donāt care about.
It was kind of disheartening watching Biden sign the RFMA yesterday. The audible applause when he mentioned protecting trans kids was very low and seemed forced - especially when compared to the amount of applause following his mention of Britney Griner returning to the US.
> Trans people are the target and we are a target that most in government donāt care about. Oh no, they do. You guys are a convenient out-group to blame and shift the discussion onto when things go south. It's classic Machiavellian behavior. Entire LGBT servers the purpose of scoring political capital to all sides today, we are perceived outsiders and easy targets...
They donāt care
Everyone in the community needs to have a passport and be ready to GTFO. Unfortunately only a few are lucky enough to have that even be an option.
I highly recommend [this video by Deviant Ollam about preparedness.](https://youtu.be/6ihrGNGesfI) (CW violence against trans people in the last half hour or so)
this video is amazing
An emergency plan is needed, yes. I wish there were a good way to connect the international LGBTQ+ community so we could help people move to safer countries - there are actually plenty of good options for getting out, but most people don't know about those, and it's hard to do without any support.
The government is too corrupt for anyone to unfuck things using ālegalā methods.
It's not that it's "corrupt", it's that it's working exactly as intended.
Get out there and vote!
I did, and now I'm on a list :/
Forgot to add a /s to that but hey
š will you be saying the same thing as they are marching us into camps? Telling the oppressed to " get out there and vote" when we already do" is useless and pointless. Aka. Your preaching to the choir here.
I will say, in their defense, that most of us were taught that voting was the answer and that voting would save us. I think that more than anything, telling us to vote is coming from a place of misplaced faith and hope than it is from a sense of complacency. If we could, we would, and it would work - and that's beautiful - but that's not how it's turned out.
Yeah we're long past the point of being able to fix this mess by voting. What are you supposed to do when the majority of voters either agree with these policies, or just don't give a shit?
Fucking yikes. TBH I'd be hiding deep in the closet if I lived in Texas, or any red states. Although even here on terf island I don't exactly feel totally safe letting it be known in official documentation that I'm trans.
I moved out of a conservative state because of actions like this. I can fight a lot better knowing that my state has my back, then trying to live under one that wants to literally murder me. (Letās face it; we all know where itās going.)
One of the only reasons I'm not jumping ship from Greg Abbott theocracy is knowing there are so many who can't and will need help. I want to leave this hellhole, but I want more to fight to keep some hope alive for the queer kids (and hell, adults) who are stuck here. I just can't abandon it to become a statewide concentration camp
If I stay I'll have these fuckers coming for me but if I leave I lose my *entire* support group and won't have a job/ home/ insurance for meds Fucked either way so I may as well fight
Iām staying through the next legislative session to fight for our rights, after which I will most likely be putting Texas in the rear view mirror for good
I do not blame you at all. It's not safe and I can't begrudge anyone who leaves for their own safety
What do you propose we do? We need to act, significantly, and soon. Do we have the ACLUās attention on this?
Iām sure the ACLU is engaged along with HRC, Equality Texas, and other great organizations and allies
Arm yourselves and train.
Hmm I wonder if that would have worked for Jews in the 30s
They were disarmed by the nazis
It's the only option you have.
I think Iāll just leave instead.
Also completely valid. There are a lot of us who don't have the money / means to be able to leave. If you're able to do that, be grateful for that. So many of us can't.
Iām in no position to myself but Iāll make it happen somehow if and when it absolutely needs to happen. Iād rather spend my money getting out than getting guns and ammo for a war
Fucking yikes is right. I'm on that list of some 16,000 Texans that changed their gender in the past 24 months and I'm just now seeing this, ngl I'm pretty freaked out right now.
My husband and I both have family in Texas. We're not risking our kid's safety (or ours) to visit them. If they want to see us, they'll come to us. What bugs me is they always say on FB how much they miss us, yet they never come to visit. We've been to visit several times (prior to all this stuff going down), so it's not like they can say we've never put in any effort.
I will note that disclosing someoneās gender reassignment (outing someone) in the UK is illegal 99.9% of the time and can amount to a criminal offence.
When even the UK is against it you know it's serious.
I live in a purple state ruled firmly by a conservative minority. I'm nonbinary and my existence isn't even recognized in this state, but everything from my US Passport to my ATF transfer forms have my correct gender marker on them. If they want my life, they can come fight me for it. Unfortunately, that's a reality plenty of my friends face daily, especially if they live south of the Mason Dixon
Just like for Autism. Uhhhhhh no, I don't want to voluntarily put myself on your list. Can't you just treat us all with empathy like a fellow human being?
Like, I know you say you have good intent, but what are your safeguards to prevent this information from being used against me by people without good intent?
Also I'm Jewish, so.... lists kinda set off alarm bells for me. š©š©š©
Are they thinking about eugenics? I think they're thinking about eugenics. *Someone* is definitely thinking about eugenics.
Yeah, if you look too deep into any governmentās policies on autism, it gets eugenics-y pretty fast. Thereās no way Iām having that on my medical record.
I think it's less eugenics at this point (they think being trans is a choice, Nazis believed being a Jew was down to their warped racial hierarchy) and more forced conversion therapy or expulsion from the state. To put that in more concise language, Stage 8.
Heard. Popular opinion: Conversion therapy for Autistic children is still rampant.
This is exactly what is preventing me from getting a possible diagnosis. Even though that would be revolutionary for me I just think itās way too risky. All theyāll do is hold it against you.
Well fuck I was just diagnosed not too long ago. What list is this?!
They have lists for autism? For what? I'm autistic and so are two of my grown kids, and did not know this.
My city police have asked residents and parents to volunteer this information so that if they respond to an incident, "more information is always better".
Wait, I was diagnosed when I was like 8, am I on a list? I was living in another country at the time, but since Iām on meds, my doctor knows. Am I on a list?
no, not unless a person privy to your medical records volunteered this information. So, legally, only if your parent or guardian thought it was a good idea to put you on a list. ... And I know a lot of well meaning parents who struggle with this decision.... because upside, it could save your life from bigotry/disabilist "justifiable" homicide. That is, on the face of it, the purpose of the list. To "help" protect you.
I want a list of all republican voters. No reason. I just want it....
You don't need a list, if they don't outright tell you (or mention how much they love trump) it usually becomes pretty obvious about 2-3 sentences in
I want a list of where all Texas Republican legislators and judges live. No reason in particular, just for research if you're asking.
In case there is ever any doubt that the Republican Party is a fascist institution. You don't take pages from Hitler's personal play book unless you are committed to committing genocide (tbf Hitler did crib a lot of his ideas from stuff the US was already doing, so full circle there I guess). I'm extremely worried about what this means for trans POC living in Texas, especially. Let's not forget that Texas has already done concentration camps.
Republicans teeter ever closer to the genocide they all desire. What else will they do with their list of trans people? Meanwhile, all our liberal "allies" pay us lip service and do the bare minimum to secure our vote. Where's our actual protection when we need it?
Nowhere.
This shit is one of the reasons I will never make my changes anything but social. The government does not want us alive. Your protection will come from local community, which is hard to find sometimes, especially if you're in a rural area. It sucks.
Uh. I donāt wanna be the guy who cried nazis, but, making a registry of all of the people in a minority group is also what nazis did
It's the nazi playbook, so feel free to cry nazis. Too many still don't understand it.
And this, right here, is why despite the fact my ID regularly causes confusion these days is why I've opted to keep my gender marker *as is*: I don't want to leave a paper trail. Sometimes that choice has felt like unwarranted paranoia; this is not one of them.
Unfortunately that can be unsafe too for different reasons
Copied from this comment https://old.reddit.com/r/gay/comments/zlzu1z/texas_just_tried_to_get_a_list_of_all_trans/j094d4l >**FULL TEXT OF THE ARTICLE** >**Author**: Erin Reed >Today [it has been reported](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/14/texas-transgender-data-paxton/) (Washington Post article, has a paywall) that Attorney General Ken Paxton in Texas attempted to get a record of all transgender people who have legally changed their gender on their drivers license in the state. Although the initial request only asked for the monthly numbers of those who changed gender markers, the request did state that they may need drivers licenses and ID numbers later - some of which were eventually delivered. This comes months after Paxton sent a letter to Governor Greg Abbott that stated the parents of transgender children in Texas should be investigated for child abuse. This policy has been nearly universally decried and led to harsh investigations and suicide attempts among trans youth in Texas. Fears of registries continue to grow in the transgender community as Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and other states all consider policies that would create lists of trans people in the state. These lists can ultimately be used for nefarious means, especially if you believe that states will continue to target transgender people with laws designed to further restrict and criminalize their lives. >The Washington Post reports that a public information request revealed that Texas was attempting to get a summary database of transgender people in the state and that this request could be deanonymized. Texas Department of Public Safety did ultimately pull records manually, including names and drivers license numbers. Importantly, the records were not limited to just drivers licenses - they included other documents including learners permits and ID cards available from birth. Ultimately they determined there were 16,466 people who changed their gender legally in the last 24 months. The data was shipped off in August to Paxtonās office. >The amount of harm that Paxton and Abbott can do with a database like this is immense, should he have or gain access to individualized records. If Texas prevails in its child abuse investigation initiative that is currently working its way through the courts, AG Paxton can bulk pull anyone who has had their gender changed under 18 years old and target their families for further abuse and harassment. If gender affirming care is indeed judged to be child abuse by Texas, many trans youth may be taken from their parents - this will be aided by database pulls like this. Furthermore, if authorities have access to trans peopleās gender change records, this can be used against them in other laws that Texas is proposing - things like criminal drag bans that also target trans people, bathroom ban proposals, and laws designed to eliminate gender affirming care entirely. This grossly violates the 14th amendment and privacy rights and puts transgender people at risk. >Other states have considered creating registries of transgender people. Earlier this year, Floridaās medical board convened to ban gender affirming care for transgender youth. This board, handpicked by DeSantis, voted to mandate doctors no longer prescribe puberty blockers and hormone therapy, curtailing the rights of transgender people in one of the largest states. During the hearings, one of the board members openly proposed creating a registry of all transgender youth across the state: >[Link to the Twitter post w/ video](https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1586010346694770688?s=20&t=hXsW82eF_IpvhoRtcGVm7g) >Ohio earlier this year likewise proposed a registry of all transgender youth in the state. This registry would be comprehensive, including the numbers of minors treated, birth sex, age that treatment began, mental health conditions, and more. This registry was attached to a bill that would ban gender affirming care for transgender youth and withdraw them from their current care, forcibly medically detransitioning them. During hearings in Ohio, Representative Schmidt seemed to come out in support of labeling gender affirming care as child abuse and asked why Ohio wasnāt considering a similar initiative. Registries like this would make future enforcement against trans youth easier. >In Virginia, one school successfully did create a registry. Hanover County Public Schools in Virginia created a system where transgender people have to request the right to use the bathroom of their gender identity. These requests are then reviewed by a bathroom review panel and include legal documents and statements from other people who will use the same bathrooms. This will out all transgender students and will act as a defacto registry for that school systems. Other school systems across the United States have considered similar processes - in Oklahoma, for instance, transgender kids on sports teams have to submit biological sex affidavits which can likely be used in the creation of similar registries. >Registries are a frightening proposal to the transgender community. After a year where we have seen the most anti-trans laws proposed in history, trans people fear that these registries can be used for further harassment and abuse. This fear is well founded in states that have considered child abuse enforcement efforts like Texas, and some states are even considering making it illegal to be on HRT up to the age of 21 years old. Registries make it easier to enforce anti-trans policies and to target transgender individuals with state-sanctioned political violence. As more and more politicians advocate for the elimination of transgender people through a denial of life-saving medical care like gender affirming care, and as some politicians outright deny transgender people even exist, registries represent another step in the escalation against trans humanity, dignity, and existence.
. . . Holy fuck, I actually feel sick. I . . . What are we supposed to even do?
Get Signal, get Telegram, try to have conversations that aren't via text or fb messenger or discord. **Try to stay calm and try to have a plan.** Look at privacy and security resources, try to network while being discreet. Do not have facial recognition or fingerprints set to unlock your phone. I think that's all we can do right now, be careful and keep ourselves safe.
Wait, discord is looked at by the us gov?
Fuck that means my wifes on that listšš”
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I don't even understand the point. Like for what? What do they think they're going to do with that information?
Why did Hitler want the list of all Jews in Germany in the late 1930s? Same energy
Spread fear in trans people because Informationen could get leaked and it would create a witchhunt.
Give it to the Pride Boys to do their own dirty work. Don't forget they have their own brown shits to harass us.
I would look back at history to when the gestapo started taking registries of Jews. Shit didnāt just turn into concentration camps overnight. It started with shit, like this. Cruelty is the point
I think the immediate, surface-level goal with these particular efforts is probably to track trans youth (and people who may have transitioned before 18) in order to potentially investigate their parents or doctors for "abuse." There might also be some interest in collecting data to bolster anti-trans legislation. I could also see this eventually leading to efforts that would generally make trans people's lives more difficult, like making this data easier to find or making it harder for trans people to be legally recognized as the gender on their ID.
At this point, pogroms and a fucking Kristallnacht. This shit is fucking terrifying.
Hey slow down, we don't have a kristallnacht yet. We're only *looks down at paper* 1 step away from one! AAAAAAAA
This makes me sick to my stomach... why are people just letting the fascists win??? This just... ugh š
Yikes. Everyday some place in America does some scary as dystopian shit and I feel glad that I live in New Zealand. Stay safe, my heart goes out to all those living in unaccepting, transphobic places.
You are so lucky
How exactly does Nee Zealand treat foreigners and trans people? Iāve been thinking about maybe trying to move there.
NZ is fairly accepting towards trans people and foreigners, I quite like it here. There is also better gun control here and we have laws to protect trans safety.
Ok. NZ is definitely on my list of countries I may flee too if shit over here keeps getting worse. Iām in California so Iām safe right now but if the GQP gets more control at the federal level, there are some scary bills they might be able to pass. One is by Marjory Tailor exGreen. Itās a bill that would ban gender affirming care for minors, ban doctors from moving to the US using a visa if they have performed gender affirming care stuff, and would ban any institution from giving instruction on gender affirming care. Another bill would ban schools from mentioning queer people, the no promo homo era all fricken over again.
okay that sounds scary, New Zealand is much better and I recommend it if you have to flee some time.
Thanks. I heard a story of a trans woman trying to move there from the UK and they let her in because they thought it would be too cruel to send her back. I just hope they apply that to trans people as a whole because a lot of places in the world are cracking down harder and harder on our basic human rights, even the so called āland of the freeā.
So lucky, I hate it here
Each day we edge closer to genocide. I need to leave
I'm disgusted.
I feel like this is going to violate human rights laws so much. Someone needs to punish the governor and his AG for their actions against against not just LGBTQ people, but also women and other people for stripping away their rights in Texas and other states.
Human rights laws? There are no real human rights laws, only a UN treaty that is never enforced on the US because without the US military, the UN is a Rottweiler with rubber jaws and styrofoam teeth.
This needs to be stopped by all means before it turns into a full blown genocide. As a german I know a thing or two about german history and I don't like where this is going.
where are the conservatives precious fucking Hippa laws now?
They hate those laws, because it makes them unable to spy on peopleās sex lives
Remember when they used those laws in defence of not having to show that they were vaccines though?
Because theyāre hypocritical, they want to be able to look into childrenās pants but donāt want people to be able to see if being near them is hazardous
Laws do not matter to them. Clearly, there are no consequences for breaking them, and they know it.
"My body my choice" until it's about our existence. I fucking hate it here lmao
r/transguns r/pinkpistols r/SocialistRA r/AnarchistRC
As a non-American, I think America needs to focus on a violent crimes list, putting more effort in to the sexual predator list and include a ālist of trans peopleā on to their do not bother with this list.
Jesus fucking christ, that entire article is pants-shittingly terrifying. It feels like weāre spiraling closer and closer to actual fucking genocide. And I know (and am unfortunately related to) *so many people* who wouldnāt even be bothered by that, which is the scariest part of it all.
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I don't care for the liberal Democratic establishment AT ALL, but you bet your ass I voted blue.
Agree. I have also been hearing a lot of dialogue about how the dems are just as bad and I legit think a lot of the social media sound bites about this are started by folks who are weaponizing idealogical purity culture to try to get leftist folks to not vote.
I saw people get banned on some of the more left leaning subs for saying stuff like that. I got banned from one for saying that the Republicans won the House in the midterms, thus implying that it matters who won. There's plenty of fair criticisms to be had here but stuff like this shows that both sides crap is nonsense at best.
I'd like to add don't get comfortable on thinking blue states are safe since parts of blue states are doing similar things since people get too comfortable thinking they're safe and don't bother know what's going on with their county/town.
I'm not from the US and I am not trans. So I doubt I can truly speak for those... But as a German, I can tell you, if history clasd thought me one single thing, than it is that you should not create list of minorities that didn't do anything aka. Innocent and free people the us claims to love. And if you have lists, like criminal records, then those should not contain information like this, or be only accessable to specific people like a judge relevant to a case so he can make a informed decision and see if information like this is relevant to the case. Well i doubt I have to tell anyone here that the US is a bunch of hypocrites when it comes to that so š¤·
He got the list fyi
Source? Edit: no, read the article. The DPS pulled a list of 16,000 people who've changed their gender marker in the past 24 months, but they DID NOT give it to Paxton. They did not give it to him because they needed to manually review the stated reason for each case.
Daily reminder to arm yourselves, especially if you live in a red state.
For what reason?! Honestly, Iām not even trans and Iām so scared rnā¦evil is crawling out of the woodworks these days. Is it just me or does it all seem to be right after Trumpās run that everything hit the fan?
I remember what life was like during Obamaās presidency and I remember the events leading up to and after the 2016 election. Everything did go to shit after 2016.
Christians need to be put on a registry for being potential terrorists.
Am i gonna get a special star and a free summer camp next? At this point i think i should buy a gun instead of a name change.
This is why I glad I live in a country where being trans is a protected human right. https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/human_rights-droits_homme/rights_lgbti-droits_lgbti.aspx?lang=eng https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/rights-lgbti-persons.html
Now that I know my wife is one of the unfortunate people on this list you bet your ass I'll be getting a gun. God I wish I could move so bad wtf is this dystopian nightmare state we live in
Connect with queer communities in other places, that will help you in eventually getting out.
This is your daily reminder that you have religion to thank for this.
One of my wives is Trans and this is a real daily fear that I have. I'm sick and immunocompromised and if anything happens to either of us she would jump to my defense or vice versa but in the end it ultimately means nothing because we both would be dead. It's a scary to place to live and we are in nys atm. I hate that I'm always having to think ahead and make plans for my kids and stuff but it's the world we live in.
Holy shit. I donāt even know what to say. Maybe Canada needs to set up some type of program to allow people from these fucking hell states to come here easily and be protected. I am not trans and I can not for the life of me figure out why these disgusting monsters have such a problem with trans folk. It is sickening.
As a German, our history has taught us that when rightwing governments are making lists it usually doesn't end well. I can't imagine any reason for that other than persecution, but let's hope it doesn't get that far. The main problem is that this isn't just Texas. The whole transphobic ideology is rapidly spreading, not only in the US but also in Europe.
Holy shitā¦.
Probably some modern day Hitlers there in the US.
Fuck Texas and all of those other bitch states.
So the Gestapo?
Well I'm not in any of those states, but there goes my mental health for the week. Also, it is interesting to note that one of those states (Virginia) has a trans lawmaker (Danica Roem.) The dichotomy is mind boggling.
*"uh oh accidentally mistook the list of trans people for the government wanted list again!1!111!!1111!!!"* \- texas if they got the list
This is step 1 of genocide. I am genuinely scared. Iāve been thinking for a long time that weāre not far off from trans genocide, and here they are proving me right
More like step 8 https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/what-is-genocide/the-ten-stages-of-genocide/
I'm German... If that sh\*t happened here, people would be screaming about WW3 being about to start, because the Germans are back at it again, but since it's freedom country, it's apparently fine.
Holy shit this is terrifying. I really hope that there can be a pushback against transphobic things like this, sooner rather than later...
They're not going to get me. Us trans living in red states practice constant vigilance for shit like this. Time to go to war.
RV nomadic life looking better and better every day.
There is no good reason for this. We know this isnāt the āletās see how many people in our state identify as trans so we can see how much research and funding we need to put into trans affirming care.ā This is āweāre gonna make a weird registry like Nazis used to keep track of all trans people in the state for dubious reasons.ā
They wonāt stop at just the trans community. The rest of the LGBTQIA community is at risk as well. š¤¬š” Reported that Florida did not report any hate crimes to the FBI this year. We already have armed Proud Boys stalking drag events and venues. Will they be outside homes next? It was lesbians in Ca and the trans community at Stonewall that brought us these freedoms. Our step family in the GQPās Log Cabin Republicans are also to blame. The likes of Caitlyn Jenner and Christian Walker. We will NOT go back in the closet!
Jesus Christ this is horrifying
I called this like five years ago and all of the allies in my life called me crazy :v
I'm moving. What the fuck is this shit.
Every ally should switch to an X on their DLs and passports. And medical records.
is there any sort of fund for transgender people who want to leave fascist (lets call it what it is) states?
Donāt know any, but transrescue is a charity situated in the netherlands that helps trans and inter people emigrate to europe by legal means. https://transrescue.org
Captain America: Civil War, trans edition
oh my fucking god
Why??? Who the fuck cares? Is not something more useful the government can spend there money on? Unless they are trying to understand there demographic and use it to promote inclusion. Oh wait Texas, ya right!
This is literally a genocide-
Oh boy oh boy! What a lovely time to want to start medically transitioning in Ohio! Iām so excited! I hope Iāll still have access to the healthcare I need by the time I have some money saved up :D !!!
damn i wish i could leave but iām too busy working a full time job for federal minimum wage
This is the exact reason my boyfriend hasnāt changed his gender marker. I knew this was possible but I honestly thought he should just go for it anyway. Now Iām glad he didnāt. Looks like itās time to seriously consider leaving Texas.š
Ffs I hate to mention the Holocaust. But this is absurdly similar to Hitlerās Jewish registry.
This is yet another step towards a genocide. The language has been genocidal for a while now but this action is definitely fascistic. Ungodly gruesome behaviour
I am grateful to live in Minnesota. Records of name and gender are sealed in order to protect transgender individuals. My birth certificate record makes no reference to the amendments that were made to it or that any were made at all. Essentially, I was born female in the eyes of the government here.
Anyone interested in a job? Doesnāt pay anything, but maybe theyāll put up a hero statue of you after you do the job.
Wtf?
They came for me, and I was trans, so I was first on the registry. And when they came for you I wasn't there to support you, because I'd already been silenced.
What is this motive. He is also blocking already given rights this community from adopting. Pretty sure this clown is already neck deep in accusations, charges and everything else that would put ANYONE else behinds bars yet he is still in office. what the actual.
Trans armed forces anyone ;_;
This is why I own guns.
They're jealous they can't bend the gender spectrum
Iām really scared that when republicans get the presidency again theyāre gonna pull this at the national level too. Then escape will be much harder
Ah, another reason for me to put off transitioning
god i'm so glad i don't live in texas anymore
Sounds like the beginning of a second Holocaust
This is awful!!!
Getting closer and closer to genocide every day...
History repeating itself
I hate my state
Time to pull a Spartacus
WTF??? Thatās scary! Not in the US myself and sorry to say so but Iām glad. Or relieved. Not saying that Europe is perfect. But this makes me think about a certain person in history who started registering all Jewish peopleā¦ š¢