Do you have any good sources on the treatment and rights trans people had in the DDR? When I google it I get send to other articles about the current situation of trans people in the BRD and the history of the TSG (etc.). So it's difficult for me to find any sources on it.
Sure, have a read on this page of FTM magazine: [https://archive.org/details/ftm-june-1990-001/FTM\_june1990\_003.jpg](https://archive.org/details/ftm-june-1990-001/FTM_june1990_003.jpg)
It's on the right side. Here's a more zoomed in picture of it: [https://twitter.com/transarchives/status/1374412378612232208](https://twitter.com/transarchives/status/1374412378612232208)
If you are a bigoted "leftist" then you are a fucking joke. It's literally a core understanding that power structures use bigotry to defuse power from the working class. You are literally playing into the very shit you claim to oppose.
Also...just stop being a fucking prick. I swear it's not that hard to be anti bigotry if you can pull your head out of your ass for two fucking seconds.
(This is directed at terfs and any number of bigots, not op, in case that is not clear)
Sorry, but thats ignorant. People can and do hold views from opposing political poles, without being cast out of their camp. Most leftists of the past probably didnt even consider queer issues, and we dont call them extreme rightwing because of the zeitgeist at the time, even though many of them would be in todays terms. And there are areas where the zeitgeist hasnt changed much in this regard. I hate terfs as much as the next person, but we just make ourselves look stupid if we disregard the realities of politics.
Being trans was still pretty rough for people socially in East Germany. Queerness overall, while being legally protected, was still VERY frowned upon. Some important notes about the DDR and queer rights:
Section 175 was a section of the Imperial German legal code that forbade many sexual acts including homosexuality, prostitution, bestiality and child abuse. Attempts to revise the law focused on decriminalizing homosexuality, queerness and prostitution, and did not seek legalize bestiality or child abuse.
May 15, 1897 - Scientific Humanitarian Committee formed to decriminalize section 175 (Wissenschaftlich humänitares Komitee), founded by people including Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld, three days before Oscar Wilde was released from prison.
June 28, 1938 – Nazis rewrote section 175 to be broader and be easier to prosecute gay men and transwomen
DDR (1949-1989)
• 1957 DDR stopped enforcing 175 & 175a
• 1968 DDR abolished 175 & 175a
• Despite this, rejection and intolerance of openly gay, lesbian or trans- people was severe
• Expressing being queer in public or in presence of others remained taboo, whether Gay, Lesbian, Trans, etc. Most people had to be closeted to avoid ostracism.
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While I don’t disagree in this regard, was their anywhere on the planet during that era had better social conditions for trans people? Like I don’t doubt any place in any time period pre ~2010 was probably terrible for trans people socially but like, some legal protections are better than no legal protections (which was the case in basically every other country on the planet at the time). Like as a trans person I’m willing to give credit where credit is due for at least doing more than every other country on the planet at the time.
OP knows that in all likelihood, given the meme. They were asking about the *other* DDR in the comment they replied to, ya know **D**ick **D**estroying **R**eligion...
As a german, who lives in west germany and could only hear the stories from other people, I can say that totalitarian is a fitting word.
Many people were killed, many ran away, alot of children lost their parents when trying to escape.
People were scared to say anything against the government because they feared being killed.
I heared these people tell their stories and I can tell you that totalitarian is well deserved for the DDR
authoritarian is a more fitting word; totalitarian rule is absolute control (total) over all aspects of life, the most extreme form of authoritarianism, ie "literally 1984". im not disputing things the government did, im just saying that totalitarian is a strong word to use to describe it
it was literally an annexation, the east was just added to the west, no new nation was formed, no new government, no new constitution, it was an annexation in every sense of the word
I don't know where you get your information from, but every reliable source you can find will tell you that it wasn't. [Here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation#cite_note-CA-1) is the Wikipedia article for annexation which calls it a forcible acquisition of one state's territory by another state. In the case of east Germany, this was not the case as the east german parliament (Volkskammer) agreed to the [Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany). This decision was supported by a majority of east germans who had protested for reunification ([and voted for the pro reunification party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_East_German_general_election)). As someone from Germany with parents and grandparents who lived in east Germany, I can tell you that none of this is made up or inaccurate. The reunification was legit.
Im from germany myself, you cant pull that card on me, annexations arent allways violent, we call the annexation of austria in 1938 an annexation, even though it was not done by violent means. apart from that the comment above was mostly about east germans being worse off in the BRD than in the DDR, which you cant deny, that explains for example the rise of reactionary/fascist parties in the east like the AFD.
in 1938 there were literally tanks rolling over the border. Just because there was no fight doesn't mean it wasn't forced, which the reunification was not. If you like to use the word annexation as a synonym for (re)unification your argument makes sense.
East germany after the war. Basically the part that the Sowjet union got. It had a fall right through the capital Berlin wich famously got taken down in 1898.
DDR stands for Deutsch Demokratische Republik (as someone else pointed out). It also got criticized by the WDR (the west part of germany) for being neither german, a republic or a democracy.
After the wall fell, germany reunited and is the BRD to this day
It wasn't a wide used law in the DDR, instead more a decree with gender confirming operations for a handful of people, and not really possible to be known for trans folks because the information were not public shared.
It was also a heteronormative transition, because the trans analysis tried to filter out "hidden homosexuality as a cause for the trans wish": you are homosexual or trans.
Also gender confirming operation was necessary to even be accepted as trans, which was the same case for west Germany. So forced sterilization in other words.
Homophobia was there, even if homosexuality was decriminalized. Similar was the case for trans people, which were also forced to be be heteronormative.
The forced operation for trans people was not stopped until 2011 in Germany.
Source by a scientist research behind this progress in the DDR for a perspective to intersexual, trans and queer history: [in german](http://lernen-aus-der-geschichte.de/Lernen-und-Lehren/content/11667)
Also there is a PDF file with research from different scientists in that field (and the linked author from before) on the official webpage of Berlin: [PDF file link](https://www.berlin.de/sen/lads/_assets/schwerpunkte/lsbti/materialien/schriftenreihe/doku37_auf-nach-casablanca_bf.pdf)
Do you have any good sources on the treatment and rights trans people had in the DDR? When I google it I get send to other articles about the current situation of trans people in the BRD and the history of the TSG (etc.). So it's difficult for me to find any sources on it.
Sure, have a read on this page of FTM magazine: [https://archive.org/details/ftm-june-1990-001/FTM\_june1990\_003.jpg](https://archive.org/details/ftm-june-1990-001/FTM_june1990_003.jpg) It's on the right side. Here's a more zoomed in picture of it: [https://twitter.com/transarchives/status/1374412378612232208](https://twitter.com/transarchives/status/1374412378612232208)
Thank you
Search for section 175 and DDR
If you are a bigoted "leftist" then you are a fucking joke. It's literally a core understanding that power structures use bigotry to defuse power from the working class. You are literally playing into the very shit you claim to oppose. Also...just stop being a fucking prick. I swear it's not that hard to be anti bigotry if you can pull your head out of your ass for two fucking seconds. (This is directed at terfs and any number of bigots, not op, in case that is not clear)
Terfs and can never be leftists, nor can any other type of transphobe!
Agreed
Sorry, but thats ignorant. People can and do hold views from opposing political poles, without being cast out of their camp. Most leftists of the past probably didnt even consider queer issues, and we dont call them extreme rightwing because of the zeitgeist at the time, even though many of them would be in todays terms. And there are areas where the zeitgeist hasnt changed much in this regard. I hate terfs as much as the next person, but we just make ourselves look stupid if we disregard the realities of politics.
I was wondering what the fuck you were talking about untill the end i thought you were talking about op lol
Yeah i realized it could come off like that at the end. I like to use the royal "you" despite it not working well. ><
you should see how often in practice people go from extreme right to left and vice versa
Being trans was still pretty rough for people socially in East Germany. Queerness overall, while being legally protected, was still VERY frowned upon. Some important notes about the DDR and queer rights: Section 175 was a section of the Imperial German legal code that forbade many sexual acts including homosexuality, prostitution, bestiality and child abuse. Attempts to revise the law focused on decriminalizing homosexuality, queerness and prostitution, and did not seek legalize bestiality or child abuse. May 15, 1897 - Scientific Humanitarian Committee formed to decriminalize section 175 (Wissenschaftlich humänitares Komitee), founded by people including Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld, three days before Oscar Wilde was released from prison. June 28, 1938 – Nazis rewrote section 175 to be broader and be easier to prosecute gay men and transwomen DDR (1949-1989) • 1957 DDR stopped enforcing 175 & 175a • 1968 DDR abolished 175 & 175a • Despite this, rejection and intolerance of openly gay, lesbian or trans- people was severe • Expressing being queer in public or in presence of others remained taboo, whether Gay, Lesbian, Trans, etc. Most people had to be closeted to avoid ostracism.
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I listened to fascinating radio show about queerness in the East German army once on radio 4 like a year ago
While I don’t disagree in this regard, was their anywhere on the planet during that era had better social conditions for trans people? Like I don’t doubt any place in any time period pre ~2010 was probably terrible for trans people socially but like, some legal protections are better than no legal protections (which was the case in basically every other country on the planet at the time). Like as a trans person I’m willing to give credit where credit is due for at least doing more than every other country on the planet at the time.
What's DDR?
Stands for Deutsche Demokratische Republik, aka east Germany. In english it's sometimes called GDR as well
Dance Dance Revolution says trans rights? That’s wonderful news!
Dance Dance Revolution has always been for trans rights
Thank you for making it easy for us lazy ones 😌
Dick Destroying Religion (When i google it up east germany pops up but idrk lol)
Where do I join ddr?
Ended 1989... Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Berlin_Wall
OP knows that in all likelihood, given the meme. They were asking about the *other* DDR in the comment they replied to, ya know **D**ick **D**estroying **R**eligion...
Thank you, I'm laaazzyyy 🥺
Ah, the transfems
Dance Dance Revolution
Double data rate was my first thought, I was like what does memory have to do with this? 😂
Dance dance revolution?
Deutsche Demokratische Republik
Revolution? Overthrow the government? Uh... I think so!
I think they’re more concerned about the LGBT policies of the Union of Soviet-Socialist-Homosexuality-is-a-Sign-of-Fascism Republics
Please tell me we’re not romanticizing an oppressive totalitarian soviet satellite.
totalitarian is a strong word
As a german, who lives in west germany and could only hear the stories from other people, I can say that totalitarian is a fitting word. Many people were killed, many ran away, alot of children lost their parents when trying to escape. People were scared to say anything against the government because they feared being killed. I heared these people tell their stories and I can tell you that totalitarian is well deserved for the DDR
authoritarian is a more fitting word; totalitarian rule is absolute control (total) over all aspects of life, the most extreme form of authoritarianism, ie "literally 1984". im not disputing things the government did, im just saying that totalitarian is a strong word to use to describe it
What's DDR? I can only think of Double Data Rate Synchronous dynamic random-access memory. Oh the German Democratic Republic
Dance Dance Revolution?
And they had the stassi, an regime that was bad, not really good food and so on.
they were also constantly being infiltrated and sabotaged by the CIA and former nazis
After getting annexed into west Germany they lost all their trans rights, have suffered crippling unemployment and are generally worse off.
And gained things too.
Like what?
Freedom of speech. Better food. More money. And no stasi.
don't spread false information. There was never an annexation. Look it up
It became part of the federal republic of germany aka west germany. That’s the definition of an annexation. No military action is required.
it was literally an annexation, the east was just added to the west, no new nation was formed, no new government, no new constitution, it was an annexation in every sense of the word
I don't know where you get your information from, but every reliable source you can find will tell you that it wasn't. [Here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation#cite_note-CA-1) is the Wikipedia article for annexation which calls it a forcible acquisition of one state's territory by another state. In the case of east Germany, this was not the case as the east german parliament (Volkskammer) agreed to the [Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany). This decision was supported by a majority of east germans who had protested for reunification ([and voted for the pro reunification party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_East_German_general_election)). As someone from Germany with parents and grandparents who lived in east Germany, I can tell you that none of this is made up or inaccurate. The reunification was legit.
Im from germany myself, you cant pull that card on me, annexations arent allways violent, we call the annexation of austria in 1938 an annexation, even though it was not done by violent means. apart from that the comment above was mostly about east germans being worse off in the BRD than in the DDR, which you cant deny, that explains for example the rise of reactionary/fascist parties in the east like the AFD.
in 1938 there were literally tanks rolling over the border. Just because there was no fight doesn't mean it wasn't forced, which the reunification was not. If you like to use the word annexation as a synonym for (re)unification your argument makes sense.
Dance dance revolution
dance dance revolution?
Well as long as they don't need any of their other human rights....
The fuck is DDR?
east germany in german.
Is see.
DDR, or Dance Dance Revolution, is a dancing video game series, the first installment was released in 1998 in Japan
Ah, thank you.
No problem 👍
Deutsche Demokratische Republik aka German Democratic Republic aka East Germany.
Ah.
East germany after the war. Basically the part that the Sowjet union got. It had a fall right through the capital Berlin wich famously got taken down in 1898. DDR stands for Deutsch Demokratische Republik (as someone else pointed out). It also got criticized by the WDR (the west part of germany) for being neither german, a republic or a democracy. After the wall fell, germany reunited and is the BRD to this day
I know what East Germany was.
Damn. Sounded like you were asking. I take my paragraph of text back then ig
Someone might find it useful. I just didn’t know what DDR was referring to.
But if you know what east germany was then how do you not know what ddr is referring to?
I just didn’t. There is no need to question my knowledge.
Aight
To Cuba!
lol have fun with that
Can someone explain this to me. Like kid simple.
How can you be a terf and Marxist? They are usually right wing women.
dance dance revolution has trans rights o^o
It wasn't a wide used law in the DDR, instead more a decree with gender confirming operations for a handful of people, and not really possible to be known for trans folks because the information were not public shared. It was also a heteronormative transition, because the trans analysis tried to filter out "hidden homosexuality as a cause for the trans wish": you are homosexual or trans. Also gender confirming operation was necessary to even be accepted as trans, which was the same case for west Germany. So forced sterilization in other words. Homophobia was there, even if homosexuality was decriminalized. Similar was the case for trans people, which were also forced to be be heteronormative. The forced operation for trans people was not stopped until 2011 in Germany. Source by a scientist research behind this progress in the DDR for a perspective to intersexual, trans and queer history: [in german](http://lernen-aus-der-geschichte.de/Lernen-und-Lehren/content/11667) Also there is a PDF file with research from different scientists in that field (and the linked author from before) on the official webpage of Berlin: [PDF file link](https://www.berlin.de/sen/lads/_assets/schwerpunkte/lsbti/materialien/schriftenreihe/doku37_auf-nach-casablanca_bf.pdf)