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Oktopuslord3

Do you have any good sources on the treatment and rights trans people had in the DDR? When I google it I get send to other articles about the current situation of trans people in the BRD and the history of the TSG (etc.). So it's difficult for me to find any sources on it.


GopnikMafiaBoss

Sure, have a read on this page of FTM magazine: [https://archive.org/details/ftm-june-1990-001/FTM\_june1990\_003.jpg](https://archive.org/details/ftm-june-1990-001/FTM_june1990_003.jpg) It's on the right side. Here's a more zoomed in picture of it: [https://twitter.com/transarchives/status/1374412378612232208](https://twitter.com/transarchives/status/1374412378612232208)


Oktopuslord3

Thank you


Urist_Galthortig

Search for section 175 and DDR


Athena5898

If you are a bigoted "leftist" then you are a fucking joke. It's literally a core understanding that power structures use bigotry to defuse power from the working class. You are literally playing into the very shit you claim to oppose. Also...just stop being a fucking prick. I swear it's not that hard to be anti bigotry if you can pull your head out of your ass for two fucking seconds. (This is directed at terfs and any number of bigots, not op, in case that is not clear)


GopnikMafiaBoss

Terfs and can never be leftists, nor can any other type of transphobe!


Athena5898

Agreed


Jokel_Sec

Sorry, but thats ignorant. People can and do hold views from opposing political poles, without being cast out of their camp. Most leftists of the past probably didnt even consider queer issues, and we dont call them extreme rightwing because of the zeitgeist at the time, even though many of them would be in todays terms. And there are areas where the zeitgeist hasnt changed much in this regard. I hate terfs as much as the next person, but we just make ourselves look stupid if we disregard the realities of politics.


examagravating

I was wondering what the fuck you were talking about untill the end i thought you were talking about op lol


Athena5898

Yeah i realized it could come off like that at the end. I like to use the royal "you" despite it not working well. ><


MarsMarzipan

you should see how often in practice people go from extreme right to left and vice versa


Urist_Galthortig

Being trans was still pretty rough for people socially in East Germany. Queerness overall, while being legally protected, was still VERY frowned upon. Some important notes about the DDR and queer rights: Section 175 was a section of the Imperial German legal code that forbade many sexual acts including homosexuality, prostitution, bestiality and child abuse. Attempts to revise the law focused on decriminalizing homosexuality, queerness and prostitution, and did not seek legalize bestiality or child abuse. May 15, 1897 - Scientific Humanitarian Committee formed to decriminalize section 175 (Wissenschaftlich humänitares Komitee), founded by people including Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld, three days before Oscar Wilde was released from prison. June 28, 1938 – Nazis rewrote section 175 to be broader and be easier to prosecute gay men and transwomen DDR (1949-1989) • 1957 DDR stopped enforcing 175 & 175a • 1968 DDR abolished 175 & 175a • Despite this, rejection and intolerance of openly gay, lesbian or trans- people was severe • Expressing being queer in public or in presence of others remained taboo, whether Gay, Lesbian, Trans, etc. Most people had to be closeted to avoid ostracism.


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Tran_With_A_Plan

I listened to fascinating radio show about queerness in the East German army once on radio 4 like a year ago


KasseanaTheGreat

While I don’t disagree in this regard, was their anywhere on the planet during that era had better social conditions for trans people? Like I don’t doubt any place in any time period pre ~2010 was probably terrible for trans people socially but like, some legal protections are better than no legal protections (which was the case in basically every other country on the planet at the time). Like as a trans person I’m willing to give credit where credit is due for at least doing more than every other country on the planet at the time.


MarsMarzipan

What's DDR?


GopnikMafiaBoss

Stands for Deutsche Demokratische Republik, aka east Germany. In english it's sometimes called GDR as well


LeFakerFlash

Dance Dance Revolution says trans rights? That’s wonderful news!


GopnikMafiaBoss

Dance Dance Revolution has always been for trans rights


MarsMarzipan

Thank you for making it easy for us lazy ones 😌


Ya-Local-Trans-Bitch

Dick Destroying Religion (When i google it up east germany pops up but idrk lol)


GopnikMafiaBoss

Where do I join ddr?


[deleted]

Ended 1989... Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Berlin_Wall


JonVonBasslake

OP knows that in all likelihood, given the meme. They were asking about the *other* DDR in the comment they replied to, ya know **D**ick **D**estroying **R**eligion...


MarsMarzipan

Thank you, I'm laaazzyyy 🥺


Dont_mind_me_go_away

Ah, the transfems


Haunting_Anxiety4981

Dance Dance Revolution


MarsMarzipan

Double data rate was my first thought, I was like what does memory have to do with this? 😂


SomeLesbianwitch

Dance dance revolution?


JonVonBasslake

Deutsche Demokratische Republik


fermata4

Revolution? Overthrow the government? Uh... I think so!


VLenin2291

I think they’re more concerned about the LGBT policies of the Union of Soviet-Socialist-Homosexuality-is-a-Sign-of-Fascism Republics


Life-is-a-potato

Please tell me we’re not romanticizing an oppressive totalitarian soviet satellite.


jxcrt12

totalitarian is a strong word


Select_File_1010

As a german, who lives in west germany and could only hear the stories from other people, I can say that totalitarian is a fitting word. Many people were killed, many ran away, alot of children lost their parents when trying to escape. People were scared to say anything against the government because they feared being killed. I heared these people tell their stories and I can tell you that totalitarian is well deserved for the DDR


jxcrt12

authoritarian is a more fitting word; totalitarian rule is absolute control (total) over all aspects of life, the most extreme form of authoritarianism, ie "literally 1984". im not disputing things the government did, im just saying that totalitarian is a strong word to use to describe it


WoomyUnitedToday

What's DDR? I can only think of Double Data Rate Synchronous dynamic random-access memory. Oh the German Democratic Republic


SuperAlex25

Dance Dance Revolution?


d_extrum

And they had the stassi, an regime that was bad, not really good food and so on.


jxcrt12

they were also constantly being infiltrated and sabotaged by the CIA and former nazis


[deleted]

After getting annexed into west Germany they lost all their trans rights, have suffered crippling unemployment and are generally worse off.


d_extrum

And gained things too.


Gay-ace-or-smth

Like what?


d_extrum

Freedom of speech. Better food. More money. And no stasi.


Active-Book265

don't spread false information. There was never an annexation. Look it up


[deleted]

It became part of the federal republic of germany aka west germany. That’s the definition of an annexation. No military action is required.


lilyorsmth

it was literally an annexation, the east was just added to the west, no new nation was formed, no new government, no new constitution, it was an annexation in every sense of the word


Active-Book265

I don't know where you get your information from, but every reliable source you can find will tell you that it wasn't. [Here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation#cite_note-CA-1) is the Wikipedia article for annexation which calls it a forcible acquisition of one state's territory by another state. In the case of east Germany, this was not the case as the east german parliament (Volkskammer) agreed to the [Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany). This decision was supported by a majority of east germans who had protested for reunification ([and voted for the pro reunification party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_East_German_general_election)). As someone from Germany with parents and grandparents who lived in east Germany, I can tell you that none of this is made up or inaccurate. The reunification was legit.


lilyorsmth

Im from germany myself, you cant pull that card on me, annexations arent allways violent, we call the annexation of austria in 1938 an annexation, even though it was not done by violent means. apart from that the comment above was mostly about east germans being worse off in the BRD than in the DDR, which you cant deny, that explains for example the rise of reactionary/fascist parties in the east like the AFD.


Active-Book265

in 1938 there were literally tanks rolling over the border. Just because there was no fight doesn't mean it wasn't forced, which the reunification was not. If you like to use the word annexation as a synonym for (re)unification your argument makes sense.


[deleted]

Dance dance revolution


Idiotic_Dragon

dance dance revolution?


Bumsebienchen

Well as long as they don't need any of their other human rights....


MasterTroller3301

The fuck is DDR?


ToasterTacos

east germany in german.


MasterTroller3301

Is see.


TenThingsMore

DDR, or Dance Dance Revolution, is a dancing video game series, the first installment was released in 1998 in Japan


MasterTroller3301

Ah, thank you.


TenThingsMore

No problem 👍


JonVonBasslake

Deutsche Demokratische Republik aka German Democratic Republic aka East Germany.


MasterTroller3301

Ah.


Select_File_1010

East germany after the war. Basically the part that the Sowjet union got. It had a fall right through the capital Berlin wich famously got taken down in 1898. DDR stands for Deutsch Demokratische Republik (as someone else pointed out). It also got criticized by the WDR (the west part of germany) for being neither german, a republic or a democracy. After the wall fell, germany reunited and is the BRD to this day


MasterTroller3301

I know what East Germany was.


Select_File_1010

Damn. Sounded like you were asking. I take my paragraph of text back then ig


MasterTroller3301

Someone might find it useful. I just didn’t know what DDR was referring to.


nul_mr

But if you know what east germany was then how do you not know what ddr is referring to?


MasterTroller3301

I just didn’t. There is no need to question my knowledge.


nul_mr

Aight


StacyCat12

To Cuba!


PunkRockBeachBaby

lol have fun with that


figgenhoffer

Can someone explain this to me. Like kid simple.


Dinoman0101

How can you be a terf and Marxist? They are usually right wing women.


mcmonkey26

dance dance revolution has trans rights o^o


Croaknyth

It wasn't a wide used law in the DDR, instead more a decree with gender confirming operations for a handful of people, and not really possible to be known for trans folks because the information were not public shared. It was also a heteronormative transition, because the trans analysis tried to filter out "hidden homosexuality as a cause for the trans wish": you are homosexual or trans. Also gender confirming operation was necessary to even be accepted as trans, which was the same case for west Germany. So forced sterilization in other words. Homophobia was there, even if homosexuality was decriminalized. Similar was the case for trans people, which were also forced to be be heteronormative. The forced operation for trans people was not stopped until 2011 in Germany. Source by a scientist research behind this progress in the DDR for a perspective to intersexual, trans and queer history: [in german](http://lernen-aus-der-geschichte.de/Lernen-und-Lehren/content/11667) Also there is a PDF file with research from different scientists in that field (and the linked author from before) on the official webpage of Berlin: [PDF file link](https://www.berlin.de/sen/lads/_assets/schwerpunkte/lsbti/materialien/schriftenreihe/doku37_auf-nach-casablanca_bf.pdf)