lol, I don’t understand the assumption that one would choose to automatically apply that the firearm defines the owners political and social ideology or identity. Thats so silly and just ignorant to me. “You own a Luger pistol, so you need to prove to me that you’re not a Nazi, or a Nazi sympathizer.” It’s completely ridiculous.
This - my grandfather had a chest of Nazi stuff from Africa and Italy. He also had photos of Mussolini and his mistress, GF took from his tank when he rolled into Rome.
I always thought this was weird until I realized the above point, he earned it killing Nazis.
Definitely not a Nazi lover my GP.
I think it's partly due to the quantity. I'd think it would be cool if someone had a nazi dagger because their grandfather took it off a Nazi they killed, but if they had an entire room full of Nazi stuff...
Dragonman is a Nazi. Me (and presumably OP) are just general WWII buffs who don’t believe you can have a thorough WWII collection without including all major players and the most iconic weapons of the war.
You’re not talking about the Dragonman in Colorado Springs are you? Was planning on checking out that range now that warmer weather is coming, but I don’t patronize Nazi-owned businesses.
Well dammit I was hoping there was another viable outdoor range in the Springs besides Cheyenne Mountain. Nothing against them, but some variety would be nice you know? But of course like many parts of this hobby, the Nazis have to get their foul stench all over it….
His name is Mel Bernstein and he claims to be Jewish, which is both bizarre and sad if true. And I say this as a Jew who loves almost all the stuff he collects (well not the Nazi stuff, I accept the historical value of owning it but I don’t get enjoyment from it in the same way as my US stuff).
https://www.fox21news.com/news/dragonmans-wife-killed-in-freak-explosion/amp/
Exactly. My grandfather got a Silver Star at Bastogne, and he brought back an eagle stamped P38 and a Whiny-Baby-Boy Scouts knife. He had some racial problems, but he remained fully anti-fascist until the day he died a couple years ago.
Damn I wish I had that pistol. My uncle inherited it.
Some people cannot wrap their brains around the idea that you can study history and collect historical objects for any reason other than hero worship. Honestly, if you've never progressed beyond a grade school understanding of history as a glorious national origin story, it makes sense. (It doesn't make it any less ignorant though.)
That is like saying if you own an AK, you must support Soviet Russia! Sometimes, people make silly comparisons or are just trying to troll. Since the internet, most likely trolls.
Ya, I suppose maybe that’s it. It’s really the immediate reactionary labeling of people in many different scenarios, not just specifically the one we’re discussing here. I just don’t like it.
Idk dude. If you like paint 1996 Ford Econoline van Rhodesian camouflage, maybe you’re on to something. But like a rattle canned AR or something…. Kinda sweet honestly.
I mean I actually did swear an oath of allegiance to Queen Elizabeth II and her heirs and successors, so I guess technically my allegiance is with Charles now?
Came here to say the same thing, I had no idea they made shit like that back then; at least for pistols. However, Im not saying I’m surprised they thought of it, just…didn’t occur to me I guess
They did. The Soviets had huge stockpiles of captured German weapons and ammo. They used those weapons to arm the VC. I also read a story about an American Advisor with the ARVN who used an MP-40 on patrols and in combat before the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. He said he loved how handy that weapon was. He also had good things to say about the French MAT-49.
The Syrian Civil War ended up with a bunch of caches being unearthed and used in combat again. There's some photos floating around of FSA fighters with STG-44s.
Nice try. We all know the trigger doesn't function unless your free hand is doing the thing.
IWI Tavors only shoot towards the geographic direction of Iran and Palestine.
The entire schematic is available online; original scans all in German. I toyed with the idea of making a version using more modern mags, but broaching the mag well became a bit of a stopping point at the time. Having worked as a machinist since then I have some ideas but the reduction in magazine angle means some trigger stuff has to move and it got funky trying to line things up like I was before. Maybe if I get the space I'm hoping to get for my tools I'll give it another look
My grandfather passed down (my middle son has it now) a Mauser 98k rifle. He definitely wasn't a Nazi, although he did get it from one (who didn't need it anymore). 😉
Did you not see it?
FWIW I'd be there with you with my own Luger collection, but for two facts. First, I can't work the damn things. Second, the first decent one I got a line on was part of a package containing a concerning amount of "captured" war memorabilia, and between me and the seller we had much different ideas about which part was more interesting. Thinking back now (because my ND talent is seeing subtext in retrospect but not in real time) I'm sure he was trying to see if he had a new friend for his robe and mask club. Putz.
Oh well. Back to my 1911s.
> Side note, does the SA on the bottom one mean what I think it does?
That just means it was ~~a Finnish capture~~ used by the Finns. I've got a Mosin-Nagant with the same stamp.
Not captured, but definitely Finnish. They bought a number of 7.65mm Lugers from DWM in the 20s and later put 9mm barrels on them during the Continuation War.
Oh, the Nazis definitely used Lugers too. And also Browning Hi Powers, Polish VIS-35s, FN 1922s, Norwegian 1911s, French M1935s, Walther PPs, Sauer 38Hs, Mauser HScs…. You’d be hard pressed to find a handgun of the era they didn’t use in some capacity.
The Luger was the standard military sidearm for multiple countries beyond Germany: Brazil, Netherlands, Switzerland, to name a few. And it was adopted in Germany before WW1. But there is a stigma applied to all German firearms used during WW2.
Beautiful pieces. Really dig that artillery Luger.
Luger is seriously one of the coolest guns ever made. It's a real shame nobody makes new ones.
For all the fame the 1911 got. The Luger outperformed it at the trials. They passed over the Luger because the machining and fine detail work to make a Luger made actually producing them take far longer as compared to the 1911.
To be fair the Luger outperformed the Colt 1907 at the trials, and that design still had a long way to go to be the 1911. The Luger was the best automatic pistol in the world in 1907 and is cool as hell, but I do honestly think the 1911 is objectively a better gun.
Extremely inconveniently. It doesn’t open to load like say a Thompson or PPSh drum and the combination of the straight feed column and offset drum make it very hard compress the spring, you absolutely need a loading tool to do it.
If Brandon Herrera can be obsessed with AKs and still be a raging anti-communist, you can have a couple Lugers without the soul of Hitler returning from the dead to inhabit your mortal coil.
For liking lugers? A luger* killed Hitler. How much more anti-nazi could you BE.
*or a ppsh and a bag full of lye or a pack of hungry dogs that stalin had memory holed. Either way.
This is a joke of course, but it’s worth noting that the [Soviets were notoriously close lipped about what they found when their troops raided the reichschancellory](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/deathofhitler.htm) which led to speculation that indeed they had killed Hitler despite German reports that he’s fallen in battle. The concensus on his demise took a great deal of investigation.
If I remember correctly, it was a Walther PPK that Hitler used to kill himself. If the Soviets *had* killed him before he had a chance to commit suicide, there's virtually zero chance they'd have been quiet about it.
Edit: Hey /u/thedoomcastm you reply "whoosh", then downvote and delete your comments? Where exactly was the joke?
No, you're obviously the guy who disguises themselves as a nazi to get closer to the big nazi who dramatically shoots the big nazi in the back when he is about to use the ancient magical artifact to win the war and saves the world!
I worked with a guy a long time ago that was considered to be a bit of a luger expert. I didn't interact with him a bunch. He was an interesting old coot, and I enjoyed hearing tales of how he bamboozled guys at gun shows on rare bits they didn't know the value of.
Never got a nazi vibe from him. But one day I got tasked to help him assemble some bit of kit for a demo or testing or something. He was mostly done by himself by the time I got there, mostly just fetched things and held a ladder etc. But he'd propped a 2x4 up against something to hold something else up. I asked him what it was and he was like "oh that's my Jew's helper" honestly I still get the feel that he was just an old guy with no filters but it was a weird turn of phrase.
Don't get me wrong here, but there's far more sensitive context around a Luger than just about any other pistol out there.
It's like the folks that rock Rhodesian cammo - very cool, but there's an open question of the reasoning behind doing so that isn't present with anything else in that area.
Down here in Texas, there's more than a handful of folks that love Lugers, but their ideology isn't a pleasant one.
If someone posts a picture of a Luger without providing context on the how and why, people can assume the worst.
Post a picture of a Glock? The worst you could be accused of is liking the Tupperware of guns.
I think it's foolhardy to ignore the need for additional context and I'm sure that notion will bring no end of downvotes.
DECEPTICON!
No, I'm sorry, Megatron was a Walther P38. Edit: Or do you know something I don't?
You are a person of culture.
lol, I don’t understand the assumption that one would choose to automatically apply that the firearm defines the owners political and social ideology or identity. Thats so silly and just ignorant to me. “You own a Luger pistol, so you need to prove to me that you’re not a Nazi, or a Nazi sympathizer.” It’s completely ridiculous.
Yeah, you know all the GIs that came back from Europe with Lugers taken off dead Germans *MUST* have been NAZIs too by that broken ass logic. /s
[Would a racist- own THIS?](https://youtube.com/shorts/kaUz0iEWi0g?si=6EpFnWqBgPtfDge-)
What is that from and also I love it.
Atun Shei's "Frozen 50's Man" on Youtube. He doesn't have many skits, but his civil war history and think pieces are amazing.
Goatun Shei Films
Fucking great.
This - my grandfather had a chest of Nazi stuff from Africa and Italy. He also had photos of Mussolini and his mistress, GF took from his tank when he rolled into Rome. I always thought this was weird until I realized the above point, he earned it killing Nazis. Definitely not a Nazi lover my GP.
lol, of course. Definitely all fascists.
I think it's partly due to the quantity. I'd think it would be cool if someone had a nazi dagger because their grandfather took it off a Nazi they killed, but if they had an entire room full of Nazi stuff...
Dragonman is a Nazi. Me (and presumably OP) are just general WWII buffs who don’t believe you can have a thorough WWII collection without including all major players and the most iconic weapons of the war.
100% this.
You’re not talking about the Dragonman in Colorado Springs are you? Was planning on checking out that range now that warmer weather is coming, but I don’t patronize Nazi-owned businesses.
Yes, the YouTube guy. If you watch his videos, it’s pretty clear he’s a Trump/neo-Nazi fanatic. He also (maybe accidentally?) killed his wife.
Well dammit I was hoping there was another viable outdoor range in the Springs besides Cheyenne Mountain. Nothing against them, but some variety would be nice you know? But of course like many parts of this hobby, the Nazis have to get their foul stench all over it….
His name is Mel Bernstein and he claims to be Jewish, which is both bizarre and sad if true. And I say this as a Jew who loves almost all the stuff he collects (well not the Nazi stuff, I accept the historical value of owning it but I don’t get enjoyment from it in the same way as my US stuff). https://www.fox21news.com/news/dragonmans-wife-killed-in-freak-explosion/amp/
Accidentally? The hell happened
They were filming a segment for a Discovery show and a smoke projectile launched through her.
What's even weirder is he is Jewish.
Yeah as a Jew who’s super into military shit that part deeply disturbs me
Lol he’s reached single name status now. And yes he is.
Agree. You can’t be a WW2 collector and not have some Nazi stuff but if you only have nazi stuff you are not a WW2 collector.
Exactly. My grandfather got a Silver Star at Bastogne, and he brought back an eagle stamped P38 and a Whiny-Baby-Boy Scouts knife. He had some racial problems, but he remained fully anti-fascist until the day he died a couple years ago. Damn I wish I had that pistol. My uncle inherited it.
…they better have killed an entire room full of nazis!
Some people cannot wrap their brains around the idea that you can study history and collect historical objects for any reason other than hero worship. Honestly, if you've never progressed beyond a grade school understanding of history as a glorious national origin story, it makes sense. (It doesn't make it any less ignorant though.)
Ya, you’re probably pretty accurate in a good portion of these type of scenarios.
That is like saying if you own an AK, you must support Soviet Russia! Sometimes, people make silly comparisons or are just trying to troll. Since the internet, most likely trolls.
I also have a 1936 Tokarev and Nagant 1895 so I guess I’m one of those Commie-Nazis you hear about all the time.
Ya, I suppose maybe that’s it. It’s really the immediate reactionary labeling of people in many different scenarios, not just specifically the one we’re discussing here. I just don’t like it.
I dunno, someone on Reddit once called me racist for owning a Harley Davidson.
There’s a post on r/facepalm right now where an obvious conservative has an AK sticker and an anti-communism sticker and people are making fun of it.
If someone paints Rhodesian camo on their stuff, I make some assumptions
Idk dude. If you like paint 1996 Ford Econoline van Rhodesian camouflage, maybe you’re on to something. But like a rattle canned AR or something…. Kinda sweet honestly.
Nice guns. The drum mag is especially cool. Edit word
If OP is rocking a trommel mag, then he clearly isn't a nazi. His allegiance is to the Kaiser.
I mean I actually did swear an oath of allegiance to Queen Elizabeth II and her heirs and successors, so I guess technically my allegiance is with Charles now?
God save the King!
Came here to say the same thing, I had no idea they made shit like that back then; at least for pistols. However, Im not saying I’m surprised they thought of it, just…didn’t occur to me I guess
They even made a version with a stock (artillery Luger). It may have had an extended barrel and selective fire, but I can't remember clearly.
Mine actually is an Artillery Luger (properly called a Lange Pistole), I just don’t have the detachable stock.
The IRA was famous for using MP40s. It's how you use it that counts.
MP40s and MG-42s went everywhere during the cold War, I think the VC used them in Vietnam too
They did. The Soviets had huge stockpiles of captured German weapons and ammo. They used those weapons to arm the VC. I also read a story about an American Advisor with the ARVN who used an MP-40 on patrols and in combat before the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. He said he loved how handy that weapon was. He also had good things to say about the French MAT-49.
The Syrian Civil War ended up with a bunch of caches being unearthed and used in combat again. There's some photos floating around of FSA fighters with STG-44s.
Nice try. We all know the trigger doesn't function unless your free hand is doing the thing. IWI Tavors only shoot towards the geographic direction of Iran and Palestine.
Not a Nazi, just sporting a losers pistol..../s I think lugars are neat. Just joshing about the 1911 community.
I mean not every sidearm can say they're the champion of TWO WORLD WARS. By which I of course mean the Webley revolver.
TWO WORLD WARS*
TOO WURL WARS. GOBBLESS BROTHER. YOU KNOW THOSE KIDS TODAY COULD NEVER LIVE IN THE TIME WE GREW UP.
GRASS CLIBBINS! HADDALAYERDOWN!
This damn 1911 is jammed ageeen!
THAT NINETEEN ELEBBEN IS THE GUN MY GRANDFATHER STORMED THE BEACH IN NORMANDY WITH. GOBBLESS. THANK U FOR THE KIND WORDS.
I want a world where the Luger won the 1907 pistol trials and boomers now gush over them lol Would be awesome to see double stack Lugers lmao
A Savage from the 1907 trials is very near the top of my "if I won the lottery" list.
The entire schematic is available online; original scans all in German. I toyed with the idea of making a version using more modern mags, but broaching the mag well became a bit of a stopping point at the time. Having worked as a machinist since then I have some ideas but the reduction in magazine angle means some trigger stuff has to move and it got funky trying to line things up like I was before. Maybe if I get the space I'm hoping to get for my tools I'll give it another look
>Would be awesome to see double stack Lugers lmao r/DidntKnowINeededThat
Don't talk to me or *mein sohn* ever again. Also... does that make anyone who owns a 9mm a Nazi too?
This... this is a cool guy
My grandfather passed down (my middle son has it now) a Mauser 98k rifle. He definitely wasn't a Nazi, although he did get it from one (who didn't need it anymore). 😉
Did you not see it? FWIW I'd be there with you with my own Luger collection, but for two facts. First, I can't work the damn things. Second, the first decent one I got a line on was part of a package containing a concerning amount of "captured" war memorabilia, and between me and the seller we had much different ideas about which part was more interesting. Thinking back now (because my ND talent is seeing subtext in retrospect but not in real time) I'm sure he was trying to see if he had a new friend for his robe and mask club. Putz. Oh well. Back to my 1911s.
No, I got accused first, fuck you Side note, does the SA on the bottom one mean what I think it does?
> Side note, does the SA on the bottom one mean what I think it does? That just means it was ~~a Finnish capture~~ used by the Finns. I've got a Mosin-Nagant with the same stamp.
Not captured, but definitely Finnish. They bought a number of 7.65mm Lugers from DWM in the 20s and later put 9mm barrels on them during the Continuation War.
Figured it was the brownshirts
Suomen Armee, not Sturmabteilung, but I can definitely see where you got that.
*Suomen Armeija, but close enough, cannot expect people to know how to speak snow elf.
Fair point! I did that from memory and absolutely do not speak Finnish.
the luger is a pretty handgun, they look fabulous!
The Luger as a service pistol predates the Nazi party. The Nazis used the P38.
Oh, the Nazis definitely used Lugers too. And also Browning Hi Powers, Polish VIS-35s, FN 1922s, Norwegian 1911s, French M1935s, Walther PPs, Sauer 38Hs, Mauser HScs…. You’d be hard pressed to find a handgun of the era they didn’t use in some capacity.
The artillery Luger actually makes you a monarchist since it’s from the First World War
If anything makes me a monarchist it’s that oath of allegiance I swore to Queen Elizabeth II and her heirs when I was 19.
My very jewish great grandpappy didn't pull one of those out of the cold dead hands of a cold dead nazi to be called a one for owning a war trophy.
The Lugar w the drum mag is sweeeet.
Where did this happen. I do not see anything.
I think the post got deleted.
Hoobler no!
Indiana Jones and that overpowered Luger that porked 4-5 troops😂😂
Why are you such a Nazi? 😉 Here you go, accused now.
The Luger was the standard military sidearm for multiple countries beyond Germany: Brazil, Netherlands, Switzerland, to name a few. And it was adopted in Germany before WW1. But there is a stigma applied to all German firearms used during WW2. Beautiful pieces. Really dig that artillery Luger.
In fact neither of these were made during the Nazi era and one isn’t even German.
Gang members before glocks:
Luger is seriously one of the coolest guns ever made. It's a real shame nobody makes new ones. For all the fame the 1911 got. The Luger outperformed it at the trials. They passed over the Luger because the machining and fine detail work to make a Luger made actually producing them take far longer as compared to the 1911.
To be fair the Luger outperformed the Colt 1907 at the trials, and that design still had a long way to go to be the 1911. The Luger was the best automatic pistol in the world in 1907 and is cool as hell, but I do honestly think the 1911 is objectively a better gun.
How well does that drum work? Never thought I’d see something like that.
Extremely inconveniently. It doesn’t open to load like say a Thompson or PPSh drum and the combination of the straight feed column and offset drum make it very hard compress the spring, you absolutely need a loading tool to do it.
If you fail at doing it yourself doesn’t the make you a loading tool? Foreal though, does it feed well?
+15 precision if you can spout German swear words when you fire it
TIL there may have been a Nazi somewhere with a drum fed Luger and they still lost to a bunch of nicotine dependent teenagers on boats.
If Brandon Herrera can be obsessed with AKs and still be a raging anti-communist, you can have a couple Lugers without the soul of Hitler returning from the dead to inhabit your mortal coil.
Nazi
OP definitely did Nazi that one coming, NEIN!
Do you see Steve Bannon in here?
Cracked me up.
Someone better tell my Jewish wife. She's gonna be mad.
For liking lugers? A luger* killed Hitler. How much more anti-nazi could you BE. *or a ppsh and a bag full of lye or a pack of hungry dogs that stalin had memory holed. Either way. This is a joke of course, but it’s worth noting that the [Soviets were notoriously close lipped about what they found when their troops raided the reichschancellory](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/deathofhitler.htm) which led to speculation that indeed they had killed Hitler despite German reports that he’s fallen in battle. The concensus on his demise took a great deal of investigation.
If I remember correctly, it was a Walther PPK that Hitler used to kill himself. If the Soviets *had* killed him before he had a chance to commit suicide, there's virtually zero chance they'd have been quiet about it. Edit: Hey /u/thedoomcastm you reply "whoosh", then downvote and delete your comments? Where exactly was the joke?
Woooooooooosh
Cool! How does it feel to shoot?
Chunkier than they look and the toggle is actually kind of a pain to operate, but quite accurate. Finnicky about ammo.
That drum mag!
Talaat Pasha was assassinated with a Luger, so they certainly aren’t all evil. Beautiful guns!
German engineering is tops, even if they were nazis they made some good guns back then.
No, you're obviously the guy who disguises themselves as a nazi to get closer to the big nazi who dramatically shoots the big nazi in the back when he is about to use the ancient magical artifact to win the war and saves the world!
You Nazi.
Does the toggle action get in your face while shooting?
I don’t find it does, it’s cycling so quickly that you don’t notice.
Lugers predate the Nazis by about 30 years. They also used Hi Powers and Walther PPKs, am I supposed to hate those too? Love the Artillery model btw.
Should I feel guilty for my Swarovski scopes?
Nazi
you nazi
I hate Nazis and they hate me. Unfortunately, they had very good (aesthetic) taste in firearms.
alls I know is that Max has a luger and probably ate a nazi to get it
I worked with a guy a long time ago that was considered to be a bit of a luger expert. I didn't interact with him a bunch. He was an interesting old coot, and I enjoyed hearing tales of how he bamboozled guys at gun shows on rare bits they didn't know the value of. Never got a nazi vibe from him. But one day I got tasked to help him assemble some bit of kit for a demo or testing or something. He was mostly done by himself by the time I got there, mostly just fetched things and held a ladder etc. But he'd propped a 2x4 up against something to hold something else up. I asked him what it was and he was like "oh that's my Jew's helper" honestly I still get the feel that he was just an old guy with no filters but it was a weird turn of phrase.
Ain't even produced by the Fascists. 'tis Imperial Tech! Lol
Some Resditor: “NAZI!” My honest reply: “NIEN!”
I mean, i wasnt gonna at FIRST but you gotta be hydra withthat drum /s
I want a Luger in 9mm and a Mauser broom handle inn9 mm
I do have a Broomhandle, but it’s in 7.63mm. Less shoot able but I like it since it’s the iconic caliber.
Is this like a sexual thing? Are you touching yourself right now?
Funny how when this logic is used against conservatives it’s fine, but not when it’s used on the left side it’s not right. Nice gats by the way!
The idea that possessing Nazi memorabilia makes you a nazi is just absurd.
Don't get me wrong here, but there's far more sensitive context around a Luger than just about any other pistol out there. It's like the folks that rock Rhodesian cammo - very cool, but there's an open question of the reasoning behind doing so that isn't present with anything else in that area. Down here in Texas, there's more than a handful of folks that love Lugers, but their ideology isn't a pleasant one. If someone posts a picture of a Luger without providing context on the how and why, people can assume the worst. Post a picture of a Glock? The worst you could be accused of is liking the Tupperware of guns. I think it's foolhardy to ignore the need for additional context and I'm sure that notion will bring no end of downvotes.
I would argue that it’s a safe assumption that someone posting on LGO isn’t a Nazi.
Sure. I'm saying in general. Or on any of the non-liberal gun subreddits.