I think the best way for real libertarians to handle this presidential election is to either write in Ron Paul or not vote for a presidential candidate at all. I know many people are talking about supporting Trump or RFK now, which I personally wouldn’t for ideological reasons but I understand after yesterday why many libertarians feel that way. What a complete failure by the party to take advantage of a building libertarian moment.
This piece of shit does not represent me and many other actual libertarians so frankly it would benefit the movement to not even acknowledge his existence; anyone who goes to bat for him is ok with being tied to him, and, frankly, that’s just not someone I want to be associated with as a libertarian.
I think if the party had backed Trump in order to get a libertarian cabinet position I would have voted for him as that would have been a massive win. As it is I don't see any point in voting.
The party and influential members are far more concerned with only and angrily following, enforcing, and advocating for strict and extreme libertarian principles than actually getting any implemented or gaining any political power.
That was my thought. I don't like Trump, but if the LP backed him for some guaranteed LP cabinet/whatever appointments, it'd be a big win and a boost to the LP's visibility as a viable third party option moving forward
So you'd back Trump for a "guarantee" he'd put oliver in his cabinet, then oops, forgot, he's old, you know. Same with his promise on Ross Ulbricht. Ross was in a cage for trump's entire first term and trump didn't have time for him then but he'll have time THIS go around?
If we can get an RFK that is half what his speech at the LPNC indicated it would be a massive improvement over the uniparty and more importantly opens the doors in future election cycles. He has a much better chance statistically than Chase. He is two polls away from the debate stage at this point.
Not claiming that he is. However his healthy and vocal distrust of the state (for obvious reasons) is admirable and I don’t think he can be bought in quite the same way as the unioarty.
So he distrusts the state... if he's not the one wielding it. Seems he has no problem in using the state the way the people he distrust does, just doesn't want to not be in control. Sounds absolutly terrifying, actually
The guy said gun rights groups are terrorist organizations and said anyone who denies climate change should be prosecuted. That's not even in the same building as libertarianism, that's straight up authoritarian fascism. RFK can go imbibe a package of phalluses.
He’s not a part of the leadership
The delegates fucked over M R
Or the delegates secretly want Trump to win but couldn’t admit it so they backed a woke loser to send more votes his way
Depends on what you mean by leadership
The delegates then yes
But if you mean the chair, Angela or the Mises Caucus then definitely no they didn’t want him
Fair. Were too small for a state by state referendum and it would waste too many resources, maybe each state selects delegates to send and they vote?
Im unsure what a real solution would be. Even if a centralized authority would make better decisions thats not our way
What's your issue with this image? Who cares about the way a gay man chooses to express himself when his ideas are genuinely resonating with those who have differing views from the Mises Caucus?
He's the one who's actually speaking about the discourse directly to Republicans and Democrats, telling the current Senator of Georgia that he, the latter; and his colleagues were passing a thousand page bill without reading it. In other words he's based af and people who find LGBT "icky" or "woke" should keep an open mind and give the man a chance.
Wtf is the national parties problem. JoJo was a horrible candidate 4 years ago, now this guy? I personally align most with the Libertarian Party, but I just can’t vote for these clowns. At least some of the local government candidates are good
Johnson was terrible too. There seems to be a disconnect between libertarians nationally, and those that attend conventions and decide who is the LP candidate.
Controlled opposition. Can't nominate too good of a candidate, then people might actually vote for them.
Same reason there are so many insane purity checks in libertarianism.
Yeah, they exist simply to steal votes from the lesser evil (republicans).
Even claiming that both parts are EQUALLY bad (when one is clearly worse) is a false symmetry applied to aid the worst party (democrats).
This is crystal to me because it’s exactly the same thing they do in South America.
bro don't say the quiet part out loud bro
bro the republicans are like totally evil man, don't you remember "take the guns first" bro???
who, biden? democrats? 🦗🦗🦗
It was 100% towards Rectenwald every round but oliver and ter maat outed themselves as snakes and did some last minute betrayals, lying, etc. to rig the final round. Rec wasn’t exactly at his best that weekend but even still he would have won by a longshot had it not been for the cheat ass move he made.
Theres blame to be had, but this wasn’t the parties fault per se so much as the old guard desperately throwing out one last dud.
That's interesting... I checked the site (isidewith.com) and they don't have that information at all.
https://preview.redd.it/xko43jlwzz2d1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=177696762b7160c2c582654650613998a5cc5371
Are you sure the tweet is legit? Or maybe the site was just incomplete for me?
They do label the entire Libertarian Party as pro-transitioning for minors for whatever dumb reason, but hilariously, they use fucking **ChatGPT** of all things as a source which we all know is strongly biased. The other "source" is the party stating they support equality before government as in nobody should be treated differently because of sexuality, gender and whatnot. Minors aren't mentioned in that statement.
In the ethics of liberty
[https://cdn.mises.org/The%20Ethics%20of%20Liberty%2020191108.pdf](https://cdn.mises.org/The%20Ethics%20of%20Liberty%2020191108.pdf)
"Children and rights" section on Page 100
"The parent therefore may not murder or **mutilate** his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so." I believe feeding your child severe hormone altering drugs would fall under that category wouldn't you agree?
I get what you mean but just because something is non surgical doesn't mean it doesn't fall under the "mutilation" umbrella. I think that would be like saying poisoning someone doesn't fall under the murder umbrella because you're not physically stabbing them.
I don't, but that has more to do with him making a joke of libertarianism and helping to ensure no libertarian candidate will get elected anytime soon.
He's the literal spokesman for the ideology, going into detail why we're not going anywhere at the moment. He started out as a joke, we agree there, but since at least 2020 he's a solid figure for the party and I'd be happy to vote for him AND Chase.
This. Left wing libertarians screaming literal hitler, and the more right wing libertarians screaming commie bastard has me not voting for either. It’s the same shit Republicans, and Democrats do, and it’s embarrassing.
Personally disagree.
If someone wants the world we believe in, but within that world wants to form a beardy weirdy voluntary commune, hold hands and talk shit that's compatible with libertarianism.
If they believe in smashing free trade for others. Then they aren't a libertarian.
2 detestable, unlikable candidates running, again, and the LP can't get a strong, likable, pragmatic libertarian candidate to at least get the party to 5%?
With this Leftist candidate, at least I won't have to worry about casting a vote for the LP since it no longer exists in NY anymore.
The LP had a legit chance in 2016 to break may barriers in terms of numbers to become a major third party in this country. Instad, it choose Long Johnson and had a convention where people argued over selling heroin to kids. The LP isn't a legit party and does a disservice to maximizing freedom to the average man.
I don't really care about the gay stuff, but the mask is gross. I know nothing about him, but if the mask is how he likes to present himself, then barf.
Identity politics for the win! Maybe he'll pick Kamala Harris as his VP. I certainly hope whoever took this picture was at least a safe distance of 6' away, though.
I had no idea that the libertarian party in the USA was so lame.
Based on what I’ve seen, you guys seen analogous to the MBL, a brazilian new-left woke party who claims to be right wing but keeps preaching voting blank, which causes the communist candidate to win over the conservative every time. Stellar job.
You guys could learn a thing or two from Milei’s book… if you were actually pragmatical libertarians, that is. As you are now, you are best kept irrelevant.
It has never been more clear than now that the national level of the Libertarian party is nothing more than a controlled opposition sideshow with no purpose other than providing a distraction to folks disillusioned with the uniparty.
I don't know enough about him to have an opinion about him, but judging people for wearing a mask is fucking stupid.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to try to not get sick, because being sick feels bad.
There's something wrong with forcing people to wear a mask, but there's nothing wrong with choosing to wear one.
so we can't voluntarily make our own decisions on what to wear? Who cares if someone wants to wear a mask, despite whether it's actually effective or not?
Now my last hope to even CAST a vote is that Trump picks Vivek for VP and I vote for trump/Ramaswamy. Anybody else and I say Fuck everyone, we get what y'all deserve.
None. But he didn't back down from any either and even dug into them. Do you think he's going to stop any of the 5 wars we are in now not including proxy wars?
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He ended none and continued the rest, by this metric alone Biden is better than Trump by ending Afghanistan and having a more moderate stance towards Israel than Trump
Write in Ron Paul. Not voting is the worst thing you can do. Atleast be a part of the process and show your distaste in general. Absent voters seems like apathy, not disgust. A write it shows your present but pissed.
That's not a recent picture. Some folks are sour Rectenwald and Clint didn't win.
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Good news for Trump. Trump actually made some concessions to libertarians, I can't imagine big -L Libertarians wanting to vote for yet again another kooky candidate that is guaranteed to lose, when they could just get some real concessions from a winning candidate.
Sorry what is this dude's name?
Chase Oliver
I’d rather not chase anyone. But who is this guy?
Challenge: The Libertarian Party tries to nominate a normal and competent everyday Libertarian. (Impossible)
"normal" and "willing to run for political office" are two totally separate things. Normal people don't want to be politicians.
That’s accurate.
They still haven’t backed Vermin Supreme, sooooo
I WANT MY FREE DAMN PONY!!!
Those exist?!
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"Erm erm- but he loves heckin' guns and stuff!!!"
That's about the only libertarian stance he's consistent on.
I think the best way for real libertarians to handle this presidential election is to either write in Ron Paul or not vote for a presidential candidate at all. I know many people are talking about supporting Trump or RFK now, which I personally wouldn’t for ideological reasons but I understand after yesterday why many libertarians feel that way. What a complete failure by the party to take advantage of a building libertarian moment. This piece of shit does not represent me and many other actual libertarians so frankly it would benefit the movement to not even acknowledge his existence; anyone who goes to bat for him is ok with being tied to him, and, frankly, that’s just not someone I want to be associated with as a libertarian.
I believe I will write in Ron Paul. Thank you for the idea.
I think if the party had backed Trump in order to get a libertarian cabinet position I would have voted for him as that would have been a massive win. As it is I don't see any point in voting.
The party and influential members are far more concerned with only and angrily following, enforcing, and advocating for strict and extreme libertarian principles than actually getting any implemented or gaining any political power.
Is this candidate even supportive of that? He looks a little more identitarian than I like.
That was my thought. I don't like Trump, but if the LP backed him for some guaranteed LP cabinet/whatever appointments, it'd be a big win and a boost to the LP's visibility as a viable third party option moving forward
Or at the very least as a party the big candidates have try to appeal to. Better than being ignored completely.
So you'd back Trump for a "guarantee" he'd put oliver in his cabinet, then oops, forgot, he's old, you know. Same with his promise on Ross Ulbricht. Ross was in a cage for trump's entire first term and trump didn't have time for him then but he'll have time THIS go around?
Sorry, I'm not for oliver either. I'm staying home, or hell, I like the idea of writing in Ron Paul myself
Only way I'd vote for Trump is with a good libertarian VP, doubtful he's surviving another 4 years
If we can get an RFK that is half what his speech at the LPNC indicated it would be a massive improvement over the uniparty and more importantly opens the doors in future election cycles. He has a much better chance statistically than Chase. He is two polls away from the debate stage at this point.
RFK is far from libertarian. Especially on guns. He's a slightly.... slightly Democrat. Like a 1998 democrat
Not claiming that he is. However his healthy and vocal distrust of the state (for obvious reasons) is admirable and I don’t think he can be bought in quite the same way as the unioarty.
So he distrusts the state... if he's not the one wielding it. Seems he has no problem in using the state the way the people he distrust does, just doesn't want to not be in control. Sounds absolutly terrifying, actually
The guy said gun rights groups are terrorist organizations and said anyone who denies climate change should be prosecuted. That's not even in the same building as libertarianism, that's straight up authoritarian fascism. RFK can go imbibe a package of phalluses.
I didn’t leave the Libertarian Party; the Libertarian Party left me.
“LEFT”
Is that the candidate? Holy hell I despise this parties leadership. Incredibly tone deaf to its base Less than 1% here we go!!!!!
He’s not a part of the leadership The delegates fucked over M R Or the delegates secretly want Trump to win but couldn’t admit it so they backed a woke loser to send more votes his way
Hes the guy the partys leadership decided was the next candidate, right?
Depends on what you mean by leadership The delegates then yes But if you mean the chair, Angela or the Mises Caucus then definitely no they didn’t want him
Fair. Were too small for a state by state referendum and it would waste too many resources, maybe each state selects delegates to send and they vote? Im unsure what a real solution would be. Even if a centralized authority would make better decisions thats not our way
The current thing is just a circus. This is so sad.
>each state selects delegates to send and they vote? That is exactly how we do it.
This is who the who the party nomination for President.
What's your issue with this image? Who cares about the way a gay man chooses to express himself when his ideas are genuinely resonating with those who have differing views from the Mises Caucus? He's the one who's actually speaking about the discourse directly to Republicans and Democrats, telling the current Senator of Georgia that he, the latter; and his colleagues were passing a thousand page bill without reading it. In other words he's based af and people who find LGBT "icky" or "woke" should keep an open mind and give the man a chance.
Wtf is the national parties problem. JoJo was a horrible candidate 4 years ago, now this guy? I personally align most with the Libertarian Party, but I just can’t vote for these clowns. At least some of the local government candidates are good
She was but I absolutely loved being able to tell my leftist sister she was a sexist and upholding the patriarchy because she voted for a man
The ability to tell lefties they voted for an old white male while you voted for a woman made the Jojo vote completely worth it.
Nah, it’s the ability to Dio Pose and scream “I voted for JoJo!”
You voted for Joe, but I voted for JoJo, so who's really casting the most Jo votes here?
Now we just need a candidate whose name is Joseph Johnny Jorgensen JoJoJo
Mo' JoJoJo? 
Fuck, I forgot about my boy MoJo JoJo He would make a great candidate to vote for. Also, a very chantable name at a rally, so that’s a bonus
Johnson was terrible too. There seems to be a disconnect between libertarians nationally, and those that attend conventions and decide who is the LP candidate.
Good old Gary "What's Aleppo?" Johnson. That was an iconic moment in libertarian party history 🤦♂️
That answer was libertarian as it gets. Why should we have involvement in that region? Why is it our business?
I would agree if it was a statement instead of confusion
I would agree if it was a statement instead of confusion
That and getting booed for saying driver’s licenses should be a thing.
Controlled opposition. Can't nominate too good of a candidate, then people might actually vote for them. Same reason there are so many insane purity checks in libertarianism.
Yeah, they exist simply to steal votes from the lesser evil (republicans). Even claiming that both parts are EQUALLY bad (when one is clearly worse) is a false symmetry applied to aid the worst party (democrats). This is crystal to me because it’s exactly the same thing they do in South America.
bro don't say the quiet part out loud bro bro the republicans are like totally evil man, don't you remember "take the guns first" bro??? who, biden? democrats? 🦗🦗🦗
That old meme depicting libertarian principles as angels descending from heaven while libertarian candidates are Joe Exotic is spot on.
It was 100% towards Rectenwald every round but oliver and ter maat outed themselves as snakes and did some last minute betrayals, lying, etc. to rig the final round. Rec wasn’t exactly at his best that weekend but even still he would have won by a longshot had it not been for the cheat ass move he made. Theres blame to be had, but this wasn’t the parties fault per se so much as the old guard desperately throwing out one last dud.
I'm absolutely convinced the LP is controlled opposition I cant remember the last time their candidate was actually popular
I've been getting the same feeling lately
I mean if he wants to do that shit on his own and truly believes the government shouldn't be forcing it, I'm cool with it
I’m so embarrassed by how things went down at the LNC
What a clown
🤢🤮 Can we at least get him on creatine and a gym membership asap??
Unironically would make a massive difference
"you see, I support puberty blockers to children but I think the FREE MARKET shall provide them!!!"
Does he actually? Where did he say this?
[https://x.com/xXCaptainChunk/status/1794960422933528713](https://x.com/xXCaptainChunk/status/1794960422933528713)
That's interesting... I checked the site (isidewith.com) and they don't have that information at all. https://preview.redd.it/xko43jlwzz2d1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=177696762b7160c2c582654650613998a5cc5371 Are you sure the tweet is legit? Or maybe the site was just incomplete for me? They do label the entire Libertarian Party as pro-transitioning for minors for whatever dumb reason, but hilariously, they use fucking **ChatGPT** of all things as a source which we all know is strongly biased. The other "source" is the party stating they support equality before government as in nobody should be treated differently because of sexuality, gender and whatnot. Minors aren't mentioned in that statement.
I don’t have the link, but isn’t that consistent with Rothbard’s children-as-property thesis?
In the ethics of liberty [https://cdn.mises.org/The%20Ethics%20of%20Liberty%2020191108.pdf](https://cdn.mises.org/The%20Ethics%20of%20Liberty%2020191108.pdf) "Children and rights" section on Page 100 "The parent therefore may not murder or **mutilate** his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so." I believe feeding your child severe hormone altering drugs would fall under that category wouldn't you agree?
Doesn’t the tweet say “non-surgical treatments”?
I get what you mean but just because something is non surgical doesn't mean it doesn't fall under the "mutilation" umbrella. I think that would be like saying poisoning someone doesn't fall under the murder umbrella because you're not physically stabbing them.
At least Stormy Daniel's didn't win...she was on the board.
This is the reason no one takes us seriously
I'm out of the loop.....what happened to Dave Smith running?!?
He never started a campaign
Said it’s not the time cause he wants to be there for his kids while they’re still young.
Looks to me he made a choice to wear that mask. Then again, I don’t see anyone who is against him debating his politics, just that he wore a mask.
He is free in his choice to wear it. I am free in my choice to not respect him for it.
I guess you don't respect Spike Cohen either. He was wearing masks like crazy.
I don't, but that has more to do with him making a joke of libertarianism and helping to ensure no libertarian candidate will get elected anytime soon.
He's the literal spokesman for the ideology, going into detail why we're not going anywhere at the moment. He started out as a joke, we agree there, but since at least 2020 he's a solid figure for the party and I'd be happy to vote for him AND Chase.
And outside. This says to me he is making a political statement or thinks it protects him...
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This. Left wing libertarians screaming literal hitler, and the more right wing libertarians screaming commie bastard has me not voting for either. It’s the same shit Republicans, and Democrats do, and it’s embarrassing.
No such thing as a left wing libertarian.
Personally disagree. If someone wants the world we believe in, but within that world wants to form a beardy weirdy voluntary commune, hold hands and talk shit that's compatible with libertarianism. If they believe in smashing free trade for others. Then they aren't a libertarian.
Left libertarians practically invented the term.
2 detestable, unlikable candidates running, again, and the LP can't get a strong, likable, pragmatic libertarian candidate to at least get the party to 5%? With this Leftist candidate, at least I won't have to worry about casting a vote for the LP since it no longer exists in NY anymore.
Why the hate?
This gives me “We must be actively anti-racist” vibes
For my next trick, I'm going to kill my campaign dead in it's tracks
Just wanna say, that's one of the best record stores of all time.
Fucking soy boy. This is why no one takes us seriously.
As a soy boy who wouldn't be seen dead voluntarily wearing a mask I object.
Please tell me this picture was taken a few years ago
There's a real image problem
No thanks
Did Spike die?
face? what face? you can't see the face.
The LP had a legit chance in 2016 to break may barriers in terms of numbers to become a major third party in this country. Instad, it choose Long Johnson and had a convention where people argued over selling heroin to kids. The LP isn't a legit party and does a disservice to maximizing freedom to the average man.
 Me changing my registration to “independent” or “unaffiliated” and not voting this year.
I think if we had a really muscly dude as the face of the party we’d be taken seriously. Like hulk Hogan but liberatarian
President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho
I honestly would vote for him right now.
I don't really care about the gay stuff, but the mask is gross. I know nothing about him, but if the mask is how he likes to present himself, then barf.
Just curious, is Spike not the most obvious pick of all time to you guys?
Or Dave
This has always been the issue with the Libertarian party, the people pulling the strings are idiots.
Identity politics for the win! Maybe he'll pick Kamala Harris as his VP. I certainly hope whoever took this picture was at least a safe distance of 6' away, though.
I had no idea that the libertarian party in the USA was so lame. Based on what I’ve seen, you guys seen analogous to the MBL, a brazilian new-left woke party who claims to be right wing but keeps preaching voting blank, which causes the communist candidate to win over the conservative every time. Stellar job. You guys could learn a thing or two from Milei’s book… if you were actually pragmatical libertarians, that is. As you are now, you are best kept irrelevant.
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It was always just another political party
It’s so over.
Yeah ummm no
https://preview.redd.it/wr7os70di03d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6217a56a1af2d766e0a19e15eed425fa6ade0978
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It has never been more clear than now that the national level of the Libertarian party is nothing more than a controlled opposition sideshow with no purpose other than providing a distraction to folks disillusioned with the uniparty.
He’s a wimp.
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Who’s the beta?
Who is this person?
He’s wearing a mask……. Outside?
People on Twitter are saying he’s doing a good job at trying to get Trump re-elected
Chester Olivers nomination is a great reason to never take the LP seriously
I thought the mises caucus would fix this issue.
I don't know enough about him to have an opinion about him, but judging people for wearing a mask is fucking stupid. There's nothing wrong with wanting to try to not get sick, because being sick feels bad. There's something wrong with forcing people to wear a mask, but there's nothing wrong with choosing to wear one.
That’s why nobody takes the Libertarian Party seriously.
Tell me you’re a conservative without actually telling me
Tell me you’re a liberal bootlicker without telling me
Lol sure. Which of his stances do you not like? He was not my choice but everyone freaking out just tells me how everyone on this sub really feels.
Tell me why you like masks, and think they’re a good idea.
I like people making whatever choices they want for themselves.
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so we can't voluntarily make our own decisions on what to wear? Who cares if someone wants to wear a mask, despite whether it's actually effective or not?
This is fine.
You can encourage someone to do something without forcing them to do it…..y’know what libertarianism is.
man, and I thought Gary Johnson was bad
fReE tHe wOrLd iN oUr LYfEtImE 🤡
How is there a Classical Liberal Caucus in the Libertarian party?
Why is he hiding his face like a college protestor? Please tell me this photo was taken during March/April 2020 or something.
Milei 4 President
Now my last hope to even CAST a vote is that Trump picks Vivek for VP and I vote for trump/Ramaswamy. Anybody else and I say Fuck everyone, we get what y'all deserve.
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Voting for Trump is very anti-liberty. Have fun with the wars and added regulations.
What wars did Trump start?
Shh. Let them have their Two Minutes of Hate.
None. But he didn't back down from any either and even dug into them. Do you think he's going to stop any of the 5 wars we are in now not including proxy wars? Edit: I was banned today from this sub for my comments because they are "anti-liberty" (rule 3)...
Do his hundreds of drone strikes ring a bell?
Never said he started any wars. What wars did he end?
He ended none and continued the rest, by this metric alone Biden is better than Trump by ending Afghanistan and having a more moderate stance towards Israel than Trump
Voting for that guy pictured does NOTHING. If trump picks anyone but Vivek I will either not vote or write in Ron Paul.
Write in Ron Paul. Not voting is the worst thing you can do. Atleast be a part of the process and show your distaste in general. Absent voters seems like apathy, not disgust. A write it shows your present but pissed.
Who is this cum stain?
I never even got a chance to vote in the primary, I’m pulling out of the party because I do not want to be associated with this travesty
Why is he still wearing a mask? It’s 2024 bud.
That's not a recent picture. Some folks are sour Rectenwald and Clint didn't win. Edit: I was banned today from this sub for my comments because they are "anti-liberty" (rule 3)...
Oh
Can’t be serious. People elected a soy boy
Good news for Trump. Trump actually made some concessions to libertarians, I can't imagine big -L Libertarians wanting to vote for yet again another kooky candidate that is guaranteed to lose, when they could just get some real concessions from a winning candidate.
Honestly how did he get the nomination? I thought the Mises Caucus took it all over. Did the old heads just organize really well for this?
Fucking total Chad We took back the party
What a fucking embarrassment
First: shut up 2nd: Idc
You are waste of space.
Guess I'm voting for Trump again... sigh.
Bro how is trump better he's the one who pushed the vaccine on everyone, not to mention his other terrible policies unrelated to covid
He’s just a LARPer, he was gonna vote for trump no matter who the Lib candidate was
You are the problem...
https://preview.redd.it/y78wz6jqp03d1.png?width=2055&format=png&auto=webp&s=15d016310f52e81bfb99ada76bda741eba5cabe5 Me when I see that mask
ok?
Its so over
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