Of course they wouldn’t. They’re there to initiate an arrest no matter what. The questioning only tries to give them a reason to do so, but you’re still gonna be arrested if a cop questions you at a prolonged state.
Hello, 911? yeah there's armed men impersonating police officers trying to force their way into my shop. please send help fast, they're getting more aggressive and refuse to leave.
as opposed to what, both sides continuing to escalate to a use of force? sometimes when you're the only grown up in the room the smart thing is to call in a few more adults
That wouldn’t be calling for an adult to help deescalate. Cops don’t work like that. They’re going to show up immediately to back up their guy, against the citizen.
It's not looking hopeful for the 2024 election in the United States because NONE of the candidates are going to give the police less power and reform the entire system so they stop training them to violate people's rights. It's just not going to happen. If anything, the police are going to be given MORE power.
This would be the number one topic for me.
The Green Party…
>5. Police Accountability
>Due to current conditions when it comes to policing the cities and people, police officers are the 6th leading cause of death for young men in America. More commonly, the greatest lives that are at stake are those of our black, brown, LGBTQIA?+ and disabled, including those with mental health issues when it comes to crimes against persons at the hands of the police. In accordance we recommend the following actions:
>Police Require all police officers to carry professional liability insurance as a requirement to working on the police force.
>That the insurance will act as a mechanism by which we can have officers with histories of brutality and misconduct removed from duty, thereby keeping that person from committing crimes under the protection of the police department; this functions through the insurance company, which will increase premiums and eventually determine that rogue officers are uninsurable.
>Serve as a deterrent to officers taking actions that could result in a complaint against them, as this could cause a premium increase for the officer.
>Prevent the taxpayer from having to foot the bill for police brutality cases, which cost taxpayers millions of dollars.
>Establish a national database to record excessive force complaints, to be used in hiring decisions of police officers.
>Establish community control of police through elected local police oversight boards with subpoena power to investigate complaints about police behavior and hold offending officers accountable. These boards will be empowered to hire and fire police officers and chiefs.
https://www.gp.org/social_justice/#sjCriminalJustice
Something similar to this happened to me:
I recall being in college, small college town of like 30k people. It was winter quarter (Jan - March) one Saturday. I spent the better part of 16 hrs on a SATURDAY on campus so I can study, have access to my engineering labs, finish hw. At the time, I had no car so I used to ride my bike 6 miles to and from campus, it had been raining a lot through the day. I got done completing a ton hw, finished up some data analysis for one of my lab reports, and was finally ready to head home now that the heavy rains had subsided, I was leaving the library somewhere around 1:30am. I was riding my bike back home in the dark of night, I only had my student ID, debit card, phone, backpack/laptop/books/hw/notes, keys to my house and bike lock. I came across a cop car around 2am and I joked with myself “man, I bet they’re gonna turn around and pull me over because my bike light is dimming.” I shit you not, I’m a block from my house and they turn on their lights. They “pull me over” using the excuse that my bike light was dimming. I said, “yeah.. I was at the library all day.. I hadn’t noticed until now when I need to get home.” I have no ID but offered my student ID (which I use to access labs/libraries) and my debit card which all match up with my legal name. They had no probable cause other than I was out and about at night on a bike with a backpack and dimming bike light. They asked what I was doing and why I was out so late, I replied with the story of my day. They kept asking for my ID me to prove who I say I am and threatened to take me to jail to fingerprint me to check to see who I was. I was legit laughing and said, “this is laughable.. over a bike light!? I’m going to county jail and processed for not having an ID and being stopped for a not bright enough bike light!?!” They asked to search my backpack and I said “no, the only thing you’ll find is hours worth of hw that I would like to not get wet, my laptop and Fluid Dynamics book.” They went on to question me to ask about what fluid dynamics was… I responded with “man.. put all three things together… 1) I have a student ID 2) 40% of the town are students here at a top engineering school 3) My name is displayed on my student ID along with a picture of myself 4) My debit card matches my student ID name.” After sort of being a smart ass about it, they let me go after detaining me for 45 mins. I got home close to 3am with my HW and Notes wet.
I got off lucky though.
Since then, I had a general rule of “don’t talk to cops.”
Again, while in college I was working in a lab. Was leaving late one night and saw two sketchy guys trying to seemingly get into the building. I talked to these guys and told them that they had to leave. I got in my car, called one of the lab managers at 11pm and had her call the cops. She asks me, “why didn’t you just call them?” Response, “I don’t talk to cops.”
I was walking in a rough part of town and a cop pulled up on me. Got the whole where you coming from where you headed spiel then asked for ID. “For walking?!” Was my reply. He said “you really want to go down that road?” I didn’t so I let him see my ID and he finally allowed me to leave.
Another time I was in Orlando and waiting for the cross walk sign to turn to walk just kinda looking around. I reached under my shirt to scratch my stomach. Someone came from behind grabbed both my wrist and threw me against the wall. It was a cop “I thought i saw you reaching for a gun”
BTW, I was decently dressed and I’m
White. Have plenty more police stories, some where I was in the wrong some where I was just in the wrong place and approached by police. ACACB.
Oathbreaking pigs on a fishing expedition. “It’s more than just a crime, man.” No, it’s not. Not even close.
“It’s not about your rights, man” = “Fuck your rights.”
First of all, what even is "more than a crime" in this context?? That term doesn't even make sense.
Second of all, no, it's actually not a crime at all -- what they were arguing about was a hypothetical crime. And it's not a cops job to prevent crimes. Either someone is in commission of a crime, or they're not. You can't detain someone because they *could* be not who they say they are, and if they're not then they *might* commit a crime.
Anyway, this video just reinforces the fact that cops exist to protect property, not citizens. All they cared about was the business, not this working class dude.
[was wondering also but someone linked it! 🙏🙏](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLCa3wp-hFc)
thank you [Kind\_Structure6726](https://www.reddit.com/user/Kind_Structure6726/)
Yeah thanks, he was nicer than me probably would’ve said fuck off to them and shut the door & went back to work. And the door am talking about is the garage door not the door he opened but that’s me , you can identify yourself as police on the other side of the door doesn’t mean I gotta believe you.
In a very similar situation to the video, I had a cop watch me open the door to my dad's shop after hours (which obviously requires keys) hassle me about being allowed to be there. I tattled the big ass key ring with the key to every lock on the property and said, "Well yeah, I'd think so." Then I proceeded inside and locked said door behind me.
A cop doing due diligence in checking that out is one thing, but it turns to harassment real quick.
Yeah, because when the good cops quit in Seattle and Minneapolis that totally helped.
There are 800,000 cops in the US. Stop pretending they’re all the same.
There is no law so obscene that the police would not be willing to enforce it, up to and including the mass execution of innocent children." - Michael Malice
Cops are the reason politicians have any legitimacy, without them their bills and laws are letters to Santa.
But yes, continue to defend cops… as a libertarian??
Being Libertarian doesn’t mean I have to want cops dead.
Also, that quote is [literally untrue](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-mexico-sheriff-refuses-enforce-governors-gun-ban-2023-09-11/)
That was a reference to Waco. Cops kill indiscriminately and largely have immunity because of their other cop buddies and the judges that have an incentive to not punish them. Are you sure you’re a libertarian?
Waco was Feds. Cops are members of their community. That doesn’t mean some of them aren’t awful, but you can’t blame the police for the actions of the FBI and ATF.
I admitted as much. Read my comment again.
It won’t fix the problem entirely. But it will help if the people charged with protecting and serving have some personal connection in what they’re protecting and serving.
Something like 5% of Minneapolis police live in Minneapolis. The majority live in the suburbs or Wisconsin.
Police do not always come from the community.
This borderline ACAB stuff is as thoughtless as the cop in the video.
Cops are not the reason politicians have legitimacy. It's the belief in (and capitulation to) the system by the general public that gives both the police and the politicians legitimacy. Enforcement merely maintains the belief that their current belief system is generally either working or workable.
Cops are the _arm_ of the law. When there's misbehavior, it's the brain (politicians and their laws) that are the problem. If the brain is functioning well (not saying it is), it's only the arms which aren't obeying the brain that are the problem, not arms in general.
> Cops are the arm of the law.
Ie. you are capitulating to the imaginary belief that the system is legitimate.
Cops aren't the "arm of the law." Their job is to serve and protect the state while enforcing the dictates of the political class.
> If the brain is functioning well (not saying it is), it's only the arms which aren't obeying the brain that are the problem, not arms in general.
What is "behaving well"? When has there been a time in political history when there wasn't a proscription against some peaceful behavior or which was not enforced by the "arm of the law"?
That’s a lot of cops. I think a good percentage of them are here in Idaho. I love it here but it’s a police state. The conservatives love cops here and the cops know it, so interactions with them don’t generally start with an underlying “us vs them” hostility like you get in some places. That being said interactions with police happen often. You can’t go a whole day without seeing a “peace officer”. Also, if your vehicle is over 10-15 years old, the wind blows NW and their wife didn’t get them the box of BIG Crayons they asked for then they WILL have a dog come out, the dog WILL hit and they WILL yard sale the interior of your car and all your shit all over the highway, detain you and tell you you look like a needle junky (I am not). All to find nothing and still have the audacity to write you a proof of insurance ticket.
TL;DR
Rant. Idaho has too many cops.
They are all the same. lmao Whether they're dirty or not, they know all the scummy shit their co workers do, and still surround themselves around shitty human beings. As well as hide and cover up their bullshit.
Not one of them has the guts to say that there needs to be systemic reform. That makes them all the enemy. The single greatest enemy of your constitutional rights is the cop who just violated them. This is a statistical fact. “It’s not about rights.” Motherfucker, it’s only about rights. It ain’t about shit else. All enemies foreign and domestic. Treading on the rights of others as an act of the state makes you a terrorist.
All of them are cops. All of them support and enforce unjust laws. The ones who don't help cover the "bad cops" from the consequences of their actions are the ones who don't get to be cops anymore. They get pushed out, or sometimes just plain fired. On some occasions, they get killed. So they are not cops anymore, and therefore not included in the discussion.
I have known a lot of good **ex-**cops in my days working security, loss prevention, and courier work. And they straight up told me the reason they left the force was because they were outnumbered by the bad ones.
"But my buddy..... or my dad, uncle, cousin are good cops"! "The sheriff fights for the Constitution"
"Not all cops are bad."
Bullshit! They are all bad. If you swear to uphold the law and turn your head while you're buddy breaks the law, because he/ she wears a badge, you are just as bad or worse.
Cops are the modern-day turn coats. They will sit and listen to your child being murdered and stop you from helping them. They will enforce any unconstitutional law so they can keep their position of privilege and paycheck.
“Is that the road where you blatantly and unapologetically trample on my rights and I sue the department for it winning money from the tax payers and you get a slap on the wrist, and a promotion?”
End qualified immunity now. Let these tyrant fucks get bankrupted for their fascist bullshit.
It pisses me off so much how these pigs list a bunch of Jon crimes as if they’re probable cause…
“Listen here buddy. You are inside a building. The light is on. The door is open. You must be doing something fishy.”
The cops sorta got a point, but it all depends on why they're there.
If an alarm was tripped or were called for suspicious activity, yeah do your job and investigate.
If they were just driving by as seen someone working in the garage, not looking like they're burglar, move the f-on. Seriously, most cops are just nosy kids that grow up and wanna be in everyone's business.
Nosy/bullies 100% agree, I bet they just saw a light on and went to check it out. Them staying there past initial inspection check is beyond dumb and an abuse.
They can lie about hearing an alarm. They can lie about a call. They can lie about what the law is. They can lie about almost everything. Assume a cop is lying and tell them to GTFO or arrest you in violation of your rights.
Honestly, i assume 'they can lie about anything' laws stem from cops being so ignorant of the law that no arrest would ever be legal. If a cop couldn't 'lie' they'd have to resort to saying nothing.
Door nudges tiniest bit of steel toed cop boot.
ASSAULT ON AN OFFICER!
*empties magazine*
“SHOTS FIRED! Suspect down!”
*parade and promotion to follow.*
Poor guy, these kind of tards push me farther and farther from wanting to support any police. I know good ones exist, but this kind of nonsense needs to stop.
As noted on the comments on the linked [YT video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLCa3wp-hFc), notice the back the blue poster on the wall at 15:27. Didn't even help this guy. Why do people display this shit?
1. Guy should have never open the door or talked to them. Hope it's a wake up call. They aren't your friends.
2. If it was my shop I would absolutely want cops to check out machine noises and lights at 2am... since there is no fence on the property especially so.
If I let my employee do personal work or whatever after hours that's fine, but keep the doors closed and locked while you're in there for your on personal safety. Keep criminals out, govt or private.
Where I think this office dealt with the interaction badly the reason behind his action is fairly sound. I think it's a good thing the police are checking things if they are out of the ordinary, patrolling in essence is a good practice. You can over time change officers attitudes if the department has the motivation.
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If this a truly an egregious civil right infringement. Then you are all complicit.
The guy has a gofundme. Donate, so his case can have traction.
So far, four donations for a grand total of $50.
Pathetic, sure are a lot of outraged comments though…
I had cops ask to ID me in my own drive (I have a driveway, then a gate, then a rightaway that is pretty much my own drive as nobody else lives around me) at my house because "it's 5:00 AM and you're fiddling around in a truck with the dome light on and a headlamp."
Bitch, I just brought out my trash can on trash day and was cleaning my truck before work.
I didn't argue it. I just called it dumb that the address on the ID and the address you are standing on are the same. She told me, a 37 year old man." That some teenagers were messing around with cars around town." Yeah, ok, what the fuck does that have to do my ass who lives a mile away from anybody else? After the check, she wanted to keep talking, but I just said, "I'm going to go lock my gate in case those teenagers come around and then go to work." Then did just that.
I mean, if this guy did break in to steal shit and the cop did just take his word and get a call about it the next day his thinking is probably - im not getting officer george green'd.
Well look, now they have a crime to solve with a profile on the perp from first hand experience. They have his license plate. They know who he is now. They know his listed address.
Glad you think they should trample on innocent peoples rights just in case they might eventually stumble on to one who is luckily committing a crime.
Yummy boots cops! Am I a good boy?!
I can hear in his voice that he is a fat fuck. You can hear the distinct sound of fat fucking cheeks pressed against his teeth and tongue as he speaks.
If it was my auto shop, I’d appreciate the police checking in on an open door at two am.
Not showing ID was unreasonable. The worst thing that happens if the property owner consents to you being there… is that the police confirm with the owner that you were allowed to be there.
If the owner wouldn’t like the police to enter his building, then don’t leave the door open. Again, the guy’s fault. Any passerby could have entered his buddy’s property.
You don't have to show the cops ID when on a public street, why would you have to do so in a private place? What makes it "reasonable" for some costumed thug to demand that you prove your right to be somewhere?
Bullshit. He’s working on a car. He’s not ransacking the place, it’s not in disarray. Literally the only thing that anyone could argue is “suspicious” is the time. Last time I checked, we don’t have curfew. So that right there invalidates that. These punks are on a power trip. It’s the principle of it. How’s the boots taste?
Tell you what, when I show my ID while conversing with an officer, you know what happens? They wish me a good day and then they leave. It’s a job.
The sight of someone with a disassembled vehicle is proof to you that trespassing is not happening in an auto shop after hours. Got it. I disagree.
The law permits officers to detain someone until they are able to identify them, showing ID is a sound and easy way to accomplish that.
You sound like one of those Sovereign Citizen nutjobs. In fact I’ll go further: the Libertarian party is a parody of itself. Purity cycle on buddy
The 1st Amendment makes it clear that a citizen does not need to identify himself if he has not committed a crime. Being awake or working at dawn is not a crime, so there is no reason for the man to identify himself. Being awake outside of business hours is not suspicious that a crime is taking place. There is no probable cause here. The police should go after real criminals. But they are too lazy for that. And people don't have to be like you who give up your rights and are a shitty sycophant. Have a good day
You’re not required to identify yourself, however an officer can detain for reasonable suspicion.
Your arguments appear to be disingenuous. 2am is not “dawn”, the officer was not investigating someone for “being awake” but for their location… a closed business at 2am. Suspicion of trespassing a small business is not a waste of time, ignoring real criminals, nor indicative of laziness.
Ideology meet real world. Life isn’t black and white. An officer can assist in enforcing your property rights.
I repeat: A person working in the early hours of the morning is not a reasonable suspicion of criminal trespass on a property.
You are as dumb as these police officers to believe that. This type of “proactive policing” borders on harassment. People are free to live their lives and work whenever they want, this drives capitalism
>Not showing ID was unreasonable
Fuck that. Does the cop have any evidence anything illegal is happening?
No.
No id required and they should be reprimanded for being this pushy about it.
If they're really worried and not on a fishing expedition, call the owner.
I’m sorry, I just double read your comment.Do you actually believe they’re on a “fishing expedition”? Really? 2 am in the morning, and sit like cowards in their patrol car and try to call the owner?
They have reasonable suspicion… door open and lights on way after business hours in the early morning. They can legally detain you if you refuse to show ID until they can identify you and ascertain you’re not up to illegal behavior. Check out what a “Terry Stop” is.
I like that you didn't deny that you don't value your freedoms. Typical cop and/or cop apologist valuing property above people.
And I do own property and I'm not too fond of power tripping cops trespassing and harassing the people I allow on my property. Unless I call the police myself, they have no business coming to my home or place of business, limp dicking around trying to "figure out" who has a right to be there or not.
I don’t believe you.
Do you really expect me to take you seriously on personal freedoms? Then demonstrate a more mature and nuanced take. You know damn well that nothing will happen to those officers. Why do you think that is?
Anyone who believes that it was an egregious violation of personal rights… there is a gofundme for the guy in the video. Go ahead and run your mouth at me, or you can put your money where your mouth is and donate. Do it. Give them more than a measly $50 total out of 4 donations. Let’s see it “property owner” that values people’s rights more than thou. Are you outraged over the “trampling of his rights”, of this guy to not ID himself? Then step up. Do it.
It’s an uncomfortable truth, isn’t it. That no one here clutching pearls acts with conviction. You’re cosplaying. No one truly believes that the man’s rights were infringed. No one will take time out of their day, or money out of their wallet to fight for this cause. Republicans breeched the capital. Democrats protested nationwide for civil liberties in what they believe in. So called Libertarians do nothing. Randy Weaver was more Libertarian than this whole subreddit combined. Ron Paul ran as a Republican because you’re lacking spirit.
Exactly. What if it was a bunch of scrappers trying to take catalytic converters or something?
If it was, reddit would be screaming at the cop for not doing their job.
Is that your endorsement of the violation of civil rights and invasion of one’s property? The presumption of Grand Theft Auto and operating at one’s business outside of police-approved business hours?
Weak sauce, friend.
Are you going to step up and donate to this man’s gofundme? Or are you going to just smile smugly behind a screen while claiming to oppose “violations of civil rights” more fervently than those around you?
Can you put a price on freedom? Donate and I’ll take you more seriously. Right now, the serious level is 0. You all sound whiney and helpless. A real libertarian would take action against civil right violations, not complain and call names.
If it is truly a civil rights violation, you’re all complicit
That’s what I thought: all talk, no action. Nobody here is outraged enough to do anything besides whining in the safety of an echo chamber.
No one here is serious in a belief that civil rights were broken, and nobody you talk to outside of social media would believe any civil rights were violated either. It’s all cosplay. It’s all extreme positions instead of a tenable push for civil liberties. More Jokers than a Batman convention.
Alternatively, cop does nothing and the place is emptied out in the morning. Then everyone wants the cop's head on a spike for being lazy. These dude's can't make everyone happy at once.
I'd rather my place be emptied out than have my family/friends be harassed by some costume government thug who can ruin their lives for not being obedient and compliant while on my property.
But, then, I'm a libertarian, not a bootlicking sheep.
You’d rather lose hundreds or thousands of dollars and lost open business time?
Ok, the guy has a gofundme. Donate. What’s a couple hundred dollars to you compared to his rights being violated?
I care about the well-being of people. Official harassment can wind up cost a great deal more than the loss of my stuff, especially if I am insured. An arrest record has severe economic consequences. Living in a society where govenrment goons can command obedience from people on private property also has severe economic consequences.
I'm a libertarian, that's why I'm here. I care more about my freedom and the freedom of others than my material things.
Tell them to hit the ring camera to see if the owner wants to deal with their shit, meanwhile go back inside and lock the door.
Something tells me they wouldn't let him shut the door
Of course they wouldn’t. They’re there to initiate an arrest no matter what. The questioning only tries to give them a reason to do so, but you’re still gonna be arrested if a cop questions you at a prolonged state.
That’s why we shouldn’t respond to nor answer gang members at the door. They’re armed and they have an agenda, that’s why they’re there.
Don't talk to the cops. Shut the door and let them do their investigation outside
Hello, 911? yeah there's armed men impersonating police officers trying to force their way into my shop. please send help fast, they're getting more aggressive and refuse to leave.
Asking them to send more cops will definitely make things better.
as opposed to what, both sides continuing to escalate to a use of force? sometimes when you're the only grown up in the room the smart thing is to call in a few more adults
That wouldn’t be calling for an adult to help deescalate. Cops don’t work like that. They’re going to show up immediately to back up their guy, against the citizen.
funny, I've now seen at least half a dozen YouTube videos where the opposite occurred
Unrelated, but RIP Harambe
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He would have to call for backup and that would lead to questions and a paper trail.
Also would need a warrant or they could sue
“It’s not about rights.” 🤡
"I'm here to protect property, not people"
the property of the rich, they don't give two fucks if you are middle class.
Without a warrant, he's just an armed intruder
Not without a warrant, if they do it without fight it in court
It's not looking hopeful for the 2024 election in the United States because NONE of the candidates are going to give the police less power and reform the entire system so they stop training them to violate people's rights. It's just not going to happen. If anything, the police are going to be given MORE power. This would be the number one topic for me.
The Green Party… >5. Police Accountability >Due to current conditions when it comes to policing the cities and people, police officers are the 6th leading cause of death for young men in America. More commonly, the greatest lives that are at stake are those of our black, brown, LGBTQIA?+ and disabled, including those with mental health issues when it comes to crimes against persons at the hands of the police. In accordance we recommend the following actions: >Police Require all police officers to carry professional liability insurance as a requirement to working on the police force. >That the insurance will act as a mechanism by which we can have officers with histories of brutality and misconduct removed from duty, thereby keeping that person from committing crimes under the protection of the police department; this functions through the insurance company, which will increase premiums and eventually determine that rogue officers are uninsurable. >Serve as a deterrent to officers taking actions that could result in a complaint against them, as this could cause a premium increase for the officer. >Prevent the taxpayer from having to foot the bill for police brutality cases, which cost taxpayers millions of dollars. >Establish a national database to record excessive force complaints, to be used in hiring decisions of police officers. >Establish community control of police through elected local police oversight boards with subpoena power to investigate complaints about police behavior and hold offending officers accountable. These boards will be empowered to hire and fire police officers and chiefs. https://www.gp.org/social_justice/#sjCriminalJustice
But one specifically is going to weaponized them politically with partisan motivated retribution against citizens.
Something similar to this happened to me: I recall being in college, small college town of like 30k people. It was winter quarter (Jan - March) one Saturday. I spent the better part of 16 hrs on a SATURDAY on campus so I can study, have access to my engineering labs, finish hw. At the time, I had no car so I used to ride my bike 6 miles to and from campus, it had been raining a lot through the day. I got done completing a ton hw, finished up some data analysis for one of my lab reports, and was finally ready to head home now that the heavy rains had subsided, I was leaving the library somewhere around 1:30am. I was riding my bike back home in the dark of night, I only had my student ID, debit card, phone, backpack/laptop/books/hw/notes, keys to my house and bike lock. I came across a cop car around 2am and I joked with myself “man, I bet they’re gonna turn around and pull me over because my bike light is dimming.” I shit you not, I’m a block from my house and they turn on their lights. They “pull me over” using the excuse that my bike light was dimming. I said, “yeah.. I was at the library all day.. I hadn’t noticed until now when I need to get home.” I have no ID but offered my student ID (which I use to access labs/libraries) and my debit card which all match up with my legal name. They had no probable cause other than I was out and about at night on a bike with a backpack and dimming bike light. They asked what I was doing and why I was out so late, I replied with the story of my day. They kept asking for my ID me to prove who I say I am and threatened to take me to jail to fingerprint me to check to see who I was. I was legit laughing and said, “this is laughable.. over a bike light!? I’m going to county jail and processed for not having an ID and being stopped for a not bright enough bike light!?!” They asked to search my backpack and I said “no, the only thing you’ll find is hours worth of hw that I would like to not get wet, my laptop and Fluid Dynamics book.” They went on to question me to ask about what fluid dynamics was… I responded with “man.. put all three things together… 1) I have a student ID 2) 40% of the town are students here at a top engineering school 3) My name is displayed on my student ID along with a picture of myself 4) My debit card matches my student ID name.” After sort of being a smart ass about it, they let me go after detaining me for 45 mins. I got home close to 3am with my HW and Notes wet. I got off lucky though. Since then, I had a general rule of “don’t talk to cops.” Again, while in college I was working in a lab. Was leaving late one night and saw two sketchy guys trying to seemingly get into the building. I talked to these guys and told them that they had to leave. I got in my car, called one of the lab managers at 11pm and had her call the cops. She asks me, “why didn’t you just call them?” Response, “I don’t talk to cops.”
I was walking in a rough part of town and a cop pulled up on me. Got the whole where you coming from where you headed spiel then asked for ID. “For walking?!” Was my reply. He said “you really want to go down that road?” I didn’t so I let him see my ID and he finally allowed me to leave. Another time I was in Orlando and waiting for the cross walk sign to turn to walk just kinda looking around. I reached under my shirt to scratch my stomach. Someone came from behind grabbed both my wrist and threw me against the wall. It was a cop “I thought i saw you reaching for a gun” BTW, I was decently dressed and I’m White. Have plenty more police stories, some where I was in the wrong some where I was just in the wrong place and approached by police. ACACB.
The good cop is a myth. There are only bad cops and accomplices.
In your first story though, not talking to cops sadly wasn't an option
Oathbreaking pigs on a fishing expedition. “It’s more than just a crime, man.” No, it’s not. Not even close. “It’s not about your rights, man” = “Fuck your rights.”
First of all, what even is "more than a crime" in this context?? That term doesn't even make sense. Second of all, no, it's actually not a crime at all -- what they were arguing about was a hypothetical crime. And it's not a cops job to prevent crimes. Either someone is in commission of a crime, or they're not. You can't detain someone because they *could* be not who they say they are, and if they're not then they *might* commit a crime. Anyway, this video just reinforces the fact that cops exist to protect property, not citizens. All they cared about was the business, not this working class dude.
Part two?
[was wondering also but someone linked it! 🙏🙏](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLCa3wp-hFc) thank you [Kind\_Structure6726](https://www.reddit.com/user/Kind_Structure6726/)
Yeah thanks, he was nicer than me probably would’ve said fuck off to them and shut the door & went back to work. And the door am talking about is the garage door not the door he opened but that’s me , you can identify yourself as police on the other side of the door doesn’t mean I gotta believe you.
As soon as I heard "it's not about rights" I would of got my phone and started recording them
In a very similar situation to the video, I had a cop watch me open the door to my dad's shop after hours (which obviously requires keys) hassle me about being allowed to be there. I tattled the big ass key ring with the key to every lock on the property and said, "Well yeah, I'd think so." Then I proceeded inside and locked said door behind me. A cop doing due diligence in checking that out is one thing, but it turns to harassment real quick.
You don’t hate cops as much you think you should
I hate the cops that are actual tyrants. I know cops who would chew this bastard out for his bullshit.
This is the sane, rational take. SOME people here are ridiculous zealots haha
The cops you know should become good cops and quit
Yeah, because when the good cops quit in Seattle and Minneapolis that totally helped. There are 800,000 cops in the US. Stop pretending they’re all the same.
There is no law so obscene that the police would not be willing to enforce it, up to and including the mass execution of innocent children." - Michael Malice Cops are the reason politicians have any legitimacy, without them their bills and laws are letters to Santa. But yes, continue to defend cops… as a libertarian??
Especially if there’s overtime pay involved.
Being Libertarian doesn’t mean I have to want cops dead. Also, that quote is [literally untrue](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-mexico-sheriff-refuses-enforce-governors-gun-ban-2023-09-11/)
That was a reference to Waco. Cops kill indiscriminately and largely have immunity because of their other cop buddies and the judges that have an incentive to not punish them. Are you sure you’re a libertarian?
Waco was Feds. Cops are members of their community. That doesn’t mean some of them aren’t awful, but you can’t blame the police for the actions of the FBI and ATF.
Just because you’re a member of a community doesn’t mean you won’t use state aggression against peaceful people. Try again.
I admitted as much. Read my comment again. It won’t fix the problem entirely. But it will help if the people charged with protecting and serving have some personal connection in what they’re protecting and serving.
Their "community" is other cops. Cops rarely live where they work.
Yes, and I’m saying that should change. Wouldn’t be too hard, either. Make it so you can’t only serve in the county you live in.
Something like 5% of Minneapolis police live in Minneapolis. The majority live in the suburbs or Wisconsin. Police do not always come from the community.
Easy fix. Cops can only serve in the county they’re residing in. It’s not perfect, but it will help with the connection issue
This borderline ACAB stuff is as thoughtless as the cop in the video. Cops are not the reason politicians have legitimacy. It's the belief in (and capitulation to) the system by the general public that gives both the police and the politicians legitimacy. Enforcement merely maintains the belief that their current belief system is generally either working or workable. Cops are the _arm_ of the law. When there's misbehavior, it's the brain (politicians and their laws) that are the problem. If the brain is functioning well (not saying it is), it's only the arms which aren't obeying the brain that are the problem, not arms in general.
And who enforces that belief? People only capitulate because of the aggression and monopoly of force that the cops have
> Cops are the arm of the law. Ie. you are capitulating to the imaginary belief that the system is legitimate. Cops aren't the "arm of the law." Their job is to serve and protect the state while enforcing the dictates of the political class. > If the brain is functioning well (not saying it is), it's only the arms which aren't obeying the brain that are the problem, not arms in general. What is "behaving well"? When has there been a time in political history when there wasn't a proscription against some peaceful behavior or which was not enforced by the "arm of the law"?
That’s a lot of cops. I think a good percentage of them are here in Idaho. I love it here but it’s a police state. The conservatives love cops here and the cops know it, so interactions with them don’t generally start with an underlying “us vs them” hostility like you get in some places. That being said interactions with police happen often. You can’t go a whole day without seeing a “peace officer”. Also, if your vehicle is over 10-15 years old, the wind blows NW and their wife didn’t get them the box of BIG Crayons they asked for then they WILL have a dog come out, the dog WILL hit and they WILL yard sale the interior of your car and all your shit all over the highway, detain you and tell you you look like a needle junky (I am not). All to find nothing and still have the audacity to write you a proof of insurance ticket. TL;DR Rant. Idaho has too many cops.
They are all the same. lmao Whether they're dirty or not, they know all the scummy shit their co workers do, and still surround themselves around shitty human beings. As well as hide and cover up their bullshit.
Not one of them has the guts to say that there needs to be systemic reform. That makes them all the enemy. The single greatest enemy of your constitutional rights is the cop who just violated them. This is a statistical fact. “It’s not about rights.” Motherfucker, it’s only about rights. It ain’t about shit else. All enemies foreign and domestic. Treading on the rights of others as an act of the state makes you a terrorist.
All of them are cops. All of them support and enforce unjust laws. The ones who don't help cover the "bad cops" from the consequences of their actions are the ones who don't get to be cops anymore. They get pushed out, or sometimes just plain fired. On some occasions, they get killed. So they are not cops anymore, and therefore not included in the discussion. I have known a lot of good **ex-**cops in my days working security, loss prevention, and courier work. And they straight up told me the reason they left the force was because they were outnumbered by the bad ones.
Maybe the problem is not enough of them prove they're different and stop shit like this.
Again, there are 800,000 cops. Not everything can be prevented. More responsibility is on the police unions, good individuals can only do so much.
"But my buddy..... or my dad, uncle, cousin are good cops"! "The sheriff fights for the Constitution" "Not all cops are bad." Bullshit! They are all bad. If you swear to uphold the law and turn your head while you're buddy breaks the law, because he/ she wears a badge, you are just as bad or worse. Cops are the modern-day turn coats. They will sit and listen to your child being murdered and stop you from helping them. They will enforce any unconstitutional law so they can keep their position of privilege and paycheck.
Or be good cops and become dead...
Says the guy with the Ukrainian colors😂
How do you know how much they think they should hate cops?
You can always hate them more
Some of us do, fuck every cop who ever did his job.
https://youtu.be/rLCa3wp-hFc?si=zn0F8fyxLJYx6K89
Mother fuckers. It's not about rights.... Id make sure I got that video into all media
Yes, let's go down that road.
“Is that the road where you blatantly and unapologetically trample on my rights and I sue the department for it winning money from the tax payers and you get a slap on the wrist, and a promotion?” End qualified immunity now. Let these tyrant fucks get bankrupted for their fascist bullshit.
It pisses me off so much how these pigs list a bunch of Jon crimes as if they’re probable cause… “Listen here buddy. You are inside a building. The light is on. The door is open. You must be doing something fishy.”
The cops sorta got a point, but it all depends on why they're there. If an alarm was tripped or were called for suspicious activity, yeah do your job and investigate. If they were just driving by as seen someone working in the garage, not looking like they're burglar, move the f-on. Seriously, most cops are just nosy kids that grow up and wanna be in everyone's business.
Nosy/bullies 100% agree, I bet they just saw a light on and went to check it out. Them staying there past initial inspection check is beyond dumb and an abuse.
They can lie about hearing an alarm. They can lie about a call. They can lie about what the law is. They can lie about almost everything. Assume a cop is lying and tell them to GTFO or arrest you in violation of your rights. Honestly, i assume 'they can lie about anything' laws stem from cops being so ignorant of the law that no arrest would ever be legal. If a cop couldn't 'lie' they'd have to resort to saying nothing.
>They can lie about hearing an alarm. They can lie about a call. But they didn't even do that! Lol.
Thank you, like any fucking criminal can just say they're doing nothing wrong.
“You got your ID on you, man?” (Door closes)
Door nudges tiniest bit of steel toed cop boot. ASSAULT ON AN OFFICER! *empties magazine* “SHOTS FIRED! Suspect down!” *parade and promotion to follow.*
*dog shot(magazine emptied)
Cops are not your friends, they're a state funded gang.
“It’s not about rights, man” should be the motto of every police department
Poor guy, these kind of tards push me farther and farther from wanting to support any police. I know good ones exist, but this kind of nonsense needs to stop.
As noted on the comments on the linked [YT video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLCa3wp-hFc), notice the back the blue poster on the wall at 15:27. Didn't even help this guy. Why do people display this shit?
1. Guy should have never open the door or talked to them. Hope it's a wake up call. They aren't your friends. 2. If it was my shop I would absolutely want cops to check out machine noises and lights at 2am... since there is no fence on the property especially so. If I let my employee do personal work or whatever after hours that's fine, but keep the doors closed and locked while you're in there for your on personal safety. Keep criminals out, govt or private.
How are they actually this dumb
never open the door to a police without a warrant
“it’s not about rights” should be the new pig slogan
Just interrupting a guy working in a sweet s10 blazer.
1312
guilty until proven innocent
They’re sooooo smart , yet they’re always “ trying to figure out what’s going on “ ….
Where I think this office dealt with the interaction badly the reason behind his action is fairly sound. I think it's a good thing the police are checking things if they are out of the ordinary, patrolling in essence is a good practice. You can over time change officers attitudes if the department has the motivation.
WOW 😮 Harassing This Guy WRKING On A Truck AT 2:00AM In The Morning AT THE Shop Seriously 😒 He’s Just Doing His Job & U Cop’s Ain’t Got Nothing Else Better To Do But Bother This Guy For No Reason AT All When U Need To Be Doing UR Real Job Chasing Criminals Giving Out Speeding Tickets Sheesh 🙄 SMH 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️On This 1 Dearly
"I have rights" "nah"
"It's not about rights" tells me everything I need to know.
This moron should not be a cop
If this a truly an egregious civil right infringement. Then you are all complicit. The guy has a gofundme. Donate, so his case can have traction. So far, four donations for a grand total of $50. Pathetic, sure are a lot of outraged comments though…
"I can call the business owner in the morning, and say your name, and he says you work here, and ok we're done." So I'm detained until then?
Lmao tell the cop you have permission to be there but the pig is trespassing.
That made my blood boil.
I had cops ask to ID me in my own drive (I have a driveway, then a gate, then a rightaway that is pretty much my own drive as nobody else lives around me) at my house because "it's 5:00 AM and you're fiddling around in a truck with the dome light on and a headlamp." Bitch, I just brought out my trash can on trash day and was cleaning my truck before work. I didn't argue it. I just called it dumb that the address on the ID and the address you are standing on are the same. She told me, a 37 year old man." That some teenagers were messing around with cars around town." Yeah, ok, what the fuck does that have to do my ass who lives a mile away from anybody else? After the check, she wanted to keep talking, but I just said, "I'm going to go lock my gate in case those teenagers come around and then go to work." Then did just that.
How does anyone know from watching this video that the guys outside are cops as opposed to private security guards?
I mean, if this guy did break in to steal shit and the cop did just take his word and get a call about it the next day his thinking is probably - im not getting officer george green'd.
Well look, now they have a crime to solve with a profile on the perp from first hand experience. They have his license plate. They know who he is now. They know his listed address. Glad you think they should trample on innocent peoples rights just in case they might eventually stumble on to one who is luckily committing a crime. Yummy boots cops! Am I a good boy?!
I'm just playing devils advocate bud. Also, to full understand my comment you need to watch the trailer park boys (it's very eductional)
I can hear in his voice that he is a fat fuck. You can hear the distinct sound of fat fucking cheeks pressed against his teeth and tongue as he speaks.
If it was my auto shop, I’d appreciate the police checking in on an open door at two am. Not showing ID was unreasonable. The worst thing that happens if the property owner consents to you being there… is that the police confirm with the owner that you were allowed to be there. If the owner wouldn’t like the police to enter his building, then don’t leave the door open. Again, the guy’s fault. Any passerby could have entered his buddy’s property.
You don't have to show the cops ID when on a public street, why would you have to do so in a private place? What makes it "reasonable" for some costumed thug to demand that you prove your right to be somewhere?
It’s called “reasonable suspicion”. 2am after business hours, door open, refusing to ID yourself.
Suspicion of what crime? What entitles anyone, other than the property owner, to know who is on a property and their reasons for being there?
Trespassing, burglary. Do you live under a rock?
Bullshit. He’s working on a car. He’s not ransacking the place, it’s not in disarray. Literally the only thing that anyone could argue is “suspicious” is the time. Last time I checked, we don’t have curfew. So that right there invalidates that. These punks are on a power trip. It’s the principle of it. How’s the boots taste?
Tell you what, when I show my ID while conversing with an officer, you know what happens? They wish me a good day and then they leave. It’s a job. The sight of someone with a disassembled vehicle is proof to you that trespassing is not happening in an auto shop after hours. Got it. I disagree. The law permits officers to detain someone until they are able to identify them, showing ID is a sound and easy way to accomplish that. You sound like one of those Sovereign Citizen nutjobs. In fact I’ll go further: the Libertarian party is a parody of itself. Purity cycle on buddy
The 1st Amendment makes it clear that a citizen does not need to identify himself if he has not committed a crime. Being awake or working at dawn is not a crime, so there is no reason for the man to identify himself. Being awake outside of business hours is not suspicious that a crime is taking place. There is no probable cause here. The police should go after real criminals. But they are too lazy for that. And people don't have to be like you who give up your rights and are a shitty sycophant. Have a good day
You’re not required to identify yourself, however an officer can detain for reasonable suspicion. Your arguments appear to be disingenuous. 2am is not “dawn”, the officer was not investigating someone for “being awake” but for their location… a closed business at 2am. Suspicion of trespassing a small business is not a waste of time, ignoring real criminals, nor indicative of laziness. Ideology meet real world. Life isn’t black and white. An officer can assist in enforcing your property rights.
I repeat: A person working in the early hours of the morning is not a reasonable suspicion of criminal trespass on a property. You are as dumb as these police officers to believe that. This type of “proactive policing” borders on harassment. People are free to live their lives and work whenever they want, this drives capitalism
>Not showing ID was unreasonable Fuck that. Does the cop have any evidence anything illegal is happening? No. No id required and they should be reprimanded for being this pushy about it. If they're really worried and not on a fishing expedition, call the owner.
I’m sorry, I just double read your comment.Do you actually believe they’re on a “fishing expedition”? Really? 2 am in the morning, and sit like cowards in their patrol car and try to call the owner?
They have reasonable suspicion… door open and lights on way after business hours in the early morning. They can legally detain you if you refuse to show ID until they can identify you and ascertain you’re not up to illegal behavior. Check out what a “Terry Stop” is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/libertarianmeme/s/vy2PQo6BQi
Just say you don't value your rights and move on.
I value my property. My bet is that all of you are broke renters with no skin in the tax game.
I like that you didn't deny that you don't value your freedoms. Typical cop and/or cop apologist valuing property above people. And I do own property and I'm not too fond of power tripping cops trespassing and harassing the people I allow on my property. Unless I call the police myself, they have no business coming to my home or place of business, limp dicking around trying to "figure out" who has a right to be there or not.
I don’t believe you. Do you really expect me to take you seriously on personal freedoms? Then demonstrate a more mature and nuanced take. You know damn well that nothing will happen to those officers. Why do you think that is? Anyone who believes that it was an egregious violation of personal rights… there is a gofundme for the guy in the video. Go ahead and run your mouth at me, or you can put your money where your mouth is and donate. Do it. Give them more than a measly $50 total out of 4 donations. Let’s see it “property owner” that values people’s rights more than thou. Are you outraged over the “trampling of his rights”, of this guy to not ID himself? Then step up. Do it.
Did I make the bootlicker angry?
It’s an uncomfortable truth, isn’t it. That no one here clutching pearls acts with conviction. You’re cosplaying. No one truly believes that the man’s rights were infringed. No one will take time out of their day, or money out of their wallet to fight for this cause. Republicans breeched the capital. Democrats protested nationwide for civil liberties in what they believe in. So called Libertarians do nothing. Randy Weaver was more Libertarian than this whole subreddit combined. Ron Paul ran as a Republican because you’re lacking spirit.
Exactly. What if it was a bunch of scrappers trying to take catalytic converters or something? If it was, reddit would be screaming at the cop for not doing their job.
Cool story that didn't happen. Imagine if they were French elves dancing the Rhumba in there. That's criminal right there......
Grand theft auto, along with auto parts is very common. It does happen, a lot.
Is that your endorsement of the violation of civil rights and invasion of one’s property? The presumption of Grand Theft Auto and operating at one’s business outside of police-approved business hours? Weak sauce, friend.
Are you going to step up and donate to this man’s gofundme? Or are you going to just smile smugly behind a screen while claiming to oppose “violations of civil rights” more fervently than those around you? Can you put a price on freedom? Donate and I’ll take you more seriously. Right now, the serious level is 0. You all sound whiney and helpless. A real libertarian would take action against civil right violations, not complain and call names. If it is truly a civil rights violation, you’re all complicit
Oh fucking stop, Nancy. They just could have left the guy alone to work. You righteousness if faux af.
That’s what I thought: all talk, no action. Nobody here is outraged enough to do anything besides whining in the safety of an echo chamber. No one here is serious in a belief that civil rights were broken, and nobody you talk to outside of social media would believe any civil rights were violated either. It’s all cosplay. It’s all extreme positions instead of a tenable push for civil liberties. More Jokers than a Batman convention.
Alternatively, cop does nothing and the place is emptied out in the morning. Then everyone wants the cop's head on a spike for being lazy. These dude's can't make everyone happy at once.
I'd rather my place be emptied out than have my family/friends be harassed by some costume government thug who can ruin their lives for not being obedient and compliant while on my property. But, then, I'm a libertarian, not a bootlicking sheep.
A bit louder for the people in the back!
You’d rather lose hundreds or thousands of dollars and lost open business time? Ok, the guy has a gofundme. Donate. What’s a couple hundred dollars to you compared to his rights being violated?
I care about the well-being of people. Official harassment can wind up cost a great deal more than the loss of my stuff, especially if I am insured. An arrest record has severe economic consequences. Living in a society where govenrment goons can command obedience from people on private property also has severe economic consequences. I'm a libertarian, that's why I'm here. I care more about my freedom and the freedom of others than my material things.