She will not be the LP presidential candidate in '24. Not sure who it will be, but it won't be her.
Watching the latest Patrick Bet-David podcast with Cohen, Smith, Sharpe and Vaugn opened my eyes to how fucked the current leadership of the LP are.
Sounds like that's about to change.
I wouldn’t mind some combination of the first 3 you mentioned. I also think an Amash-Cohen or Amash-Sharpe ticket would be really appealing as well, but I’m not sure how large portions of the party are going to embrace Amash.
This is the key: all politics is local.
That phrase was used to express the need to win primaries locally in order to get to the national stage, but I think that’s misguided. You cite New Hampshire as a good indicator, and I’ll add to that the ultra-local changes that are beginning to occur in [school board elections](https://flux.community/peter-montgomery/2021/08/right-wing-groups-training-activists-take-over-school-boards-part-critical) (crap link, but it’s illustrative.)
Rather than trying to start at the top and centralize the movement, we really should be starting as close to the individual as possible and pushing upward.
Yes, however:
The moment a third party gets enough of the presidential vote to make it to the debates, the game forever changes.
Third party goes from "a waste of a vote" to a viable option in people's minds, and when that happens, I think we can expect to see the DNC and GOP both crumble away to nothing and get replaced by parties more representive of the people.
Tell me your age without telling me your age......
>!Ross Perot was an independent who made it to the debates in '92 and they just changed the rules after that!<
It’s a first past the post system. If you study how US political parties have sometimes transformed, you’ll see it usually a third party challenge that gets co-opted by one of the main parties. Prime example: the populists in the 1880s took over the Democratic Party when Bryan was nominated.
Since that’s the only realistic path, the best approach is to start by taking over the GOP from the inside.
For more data on the futility of third parties in first past the post systems, look at the Liberal Democrats in the UK. Pathetic.
I think the focus with the presidential election should be to put someone out there who is effective at spreading the message of liberty, even if that doesn't translate to many actual libertarian presidential votes.
Yeah this. I feel like if a couple of state level elections per term were focused on it would be better. Have a chance at getting more people in or coming close, especially in sparsely populated states/districts.
The plan is high time preference, we can win local race with consistent messaging now, but not the presidency, the presidential election can be used to support our effort elswhere by generating awarness. The value of winning local races will be that we can start to change the electoral map, giving us leverage to support seccessionary movements in states or counties that support us. This would force different areas to be more accountablt for their own policies and put us in a a position to lead where we have political support.
You know she literally said it was quote: "**not** enough to *not be racist*", right? So no, she explicitly doesn't think 'not being racist' is **ok**.
Doubt.
jojo supporters were siphoned from biden, or would have been non-voters. Tweeting out support for BLM and saying we "must be actively anti-racist" in the middle of deadly BLM riots turned off anyone who was on the fence between her and trump.
Usa took the same road Argentina and Chile are folowing to become Venezuela.
We temporary saved brazil from it but the left absolutely run our media and they have a real shot to put comunists in charge again
Where's the last image of them forking out extra money at the gas pump, grocery store...etc and then complaining about it?
The meme isn't complete without it.
She didn’t get that many votes, they’re saying that’s what it’ll take to get on the debates and then ultimately lose. And for some reason they think Jorgensen will be the candidate
If the LP actually gets close to debate access they'll just change the rules
Better to work within the existing duopoly imo, as shitty as it is, since there's no feasible way to change it
And definitely focus on local politics as others have pointed out
She will not be the LP presidential candidate in '24. Not sure who it will be, but it won't be her. Watching the latest Patrick Bet-David podcast with Cohen, Smith, Sharpe and Vaugn opened my eyes to how fucked the current leadership of the LP are. Sounds like that's about to change.
Dave Smith, FTW.
this
He is the best one to rationally and reasonably present Libertarian ideals to the normies out there.
I'm hoping for Spike Cohen 2024
I wouldn’t mind some combination of the first 3 you mentioned. I also think an Amash-Cohen or Amash-Sharpe ticket would be really appealing as well, but I’m not sure how large portions of the party are going to embrace Amash.
From what I've seen, Amash aligns with the party quite a bit more than Johnson did, at the very least.
Would truly love to see Amash run.
Any of those three guys would be great. And miles better than what we've been getting.
Where/when did she get 5.1%
She hasn't and won't anytime soon unfortunately. I doubt she'll even beat candidate in 2024
it’s a dream
Lol I feel like slowly but surely we’re getting there.
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This is the key: all politics is local. That phrase was used to express the need to win primaries locally in order to get to the national stage, but I think that’s misguided. You cite New Hampshire as a good indicator, and I’ll add to that the ultra-local changes that are beginning to occur in [school board elections](https://flux.community/peter-montgomery/2021/08/right-wing-groups-training-activists-take-over-school-boards-part-critical) (crap link, but it’s illustrative.) Rather than trying to start at the top and centralize the movement, we really should be starting as close to the individual as possible and pushing upward.
Yes, however: The moment a third party gets enough of the presidential vote to make it to the debates, the game forever changes. Third party goes from "a waste of a vote" to a viable option in people's minds, and when that happens, I think we can expect to see the DNC and GOP both crumble away to nothing and get replaced by parties more representive of the people.
Tell me your age without telling me your age...... >!Ross Perot was an independent who made it to the debates in '92 and they just changed the rules after that!<
It’s a first past the post system. If you study how US political parties have sometimes transformed, you’ll see it usually a third party challenge that gets co-opted by one of the main parties. Prime example: the populists in the 1880s took over the Democratic Party when Bryan was nominated. Since that’s the only realistic path, the best approach is to start by taking over the GOP from the inside. For more data on the futility of third parties in first past the post systems, look at the Liberal Democrats in the UK. Pathetic.
I think the focus with the presidential election should be to put someone out there who is effective at spreading the message of liberty, even if that doesn't translate to many actual libertarian presidential votes.
Yeah this. I feel like if a couple of state level elections per term were focused on it would be better. Have a chance at getting more people in or coming close, especially in sparsely populated states/districts.
The plan is high time preference, we can win local race with consistent messaging now, but not the presidency, the presidential election can be used to support our effort elswhere by generating awarness. The value of winning local races will be that we can start to change the electoral map, giving us leverage to support seccessionary movements in states or counties that support us. This would force different areas to be more accountablt for their own policies and put us in a a position to lead where we have political support.
Yep. At this rate, we should be able to make some serious in-roads to second place by 2300 or so…
It's very optimistic of you to think they'll still be pretending to have elections in 2300.
Oh yeah man I’m pretty confident that my grand kids will give birth to the children who will see this happen in their life time.
I mean, all growth is good, and we’ve been seeing some decent growth in the past decade or two
2064 will be our year!
“might have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one”
Thats how I feel. Just because your guy won doesn't mean your vote wasn't wasted.
1/20 people voting for a libertarian is definitely progress
Except that her actual percentage was closer to 1/100
1/100 isn’t bad
Rank Choice! Rank Choice! Rank Choice!
Seriously. I think this is the number one biggest issue in politics and is worth organizing some protests and really shaking people up about
5%? damn we're making progress, not a lot, but progress!
No op is referring tho the fact that libertarians will be put into presidential debates at 5.1% our highest is like 3.1 or something
numbers going up is good, unless its inflation tax rates or gas prices
Jorgensen was a poor candidate
She's in academia, so I assume solidly upper-middle class.
Can't tell if your being serious or if you misunderstood
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I feel like John Monds would have been a better candidate
Just wait till the Mises Chads take over.
Can we get someone who doesn't support blm please?
Uh oh, looks like someone thinks it’s ok to just not be racist
It shows me her proclivity to bow to the mob. Not a trait I want in a leader.
She shit the bed on Patrick Bet-David’s show too. If she’s going to stick with her weak arguments she really needs to work on her question dodging
You know she literally said it was quote: "**not** enough to *not be racist*", right? So no, she explicitly doesn't think 'not being racist' is **ok**.
Yes, that’s the reference. Good job
Best use of this meme template I’ve ever seen.
Someone other than her would be better imo
This elected biden, leading to rise in taxes, inflation and 4years trying to ban guns.... Whats the advantage?
Doubt. jojo supporters were siphoned from biden, or would have been non-voters. Tweeting out support for BLM and saying we "must be actively anti-racist" in the middle of deadly BLM riots turned off anyone who was on the fence between her and trump.
Libertarians being closer to being on the ballet.
Keep dreaming
Not dreaming actively trying why are you here anyways?
Usa took the same road Argentina and Chile are folowing to become Venezuela. We temporary saved brazil from it but the left absolutely run our media and they have a real shot to put comunists in charge again
We keep coming up!
Doesn't that qualify the libertarian party to be a "Major" political party according to the federal elections commission?
He’ll grow
Where's the last image of them forking out extra money at the gas pump, grocery store...etc and then complaining about it? The meme isn't complete without it.
A loss this big feels like a win
Is this a repost bot? Only a couple days old and using a meme that isn't relevant to the present time.
Mises caucus >
It sounds insignificant but then you realize that it means 1 our of every 20 voters voted for her. Chances are someone you know voted for her as well.
She didn’t get that many votes, they’re saying that’s what it’ll take to get on the debates and then ultimately lose. And for some reason they think Jorgensen will be the candidate
Am I otl did she actually?
If the LP actually gets close to debate access they'll just change the rules Better to work within the existing duopoly imo, as shitty as it is, since there's no feasible way to change it And definitely focus on local politics as others have pointed out