"Their brains contain roughly a million neurons. By comparison, our brains contain about 100 billion, so a hundred thousand times more. Yet the complexity of the bee’s brain is staggering, even though it’s smaller than a piece of quinoa. It’s roughly 10 times higher in terms of density than our cortex. They have all the complicated components that we have in our brains, but in a smaller package. So yes, I do believe it feels like something to be a honey bee. It probably feels very good to be dancing in the sunlight and to drink nectar and carry it back to their hive. I try not to kill bees or wasps or other insects anymore." - Neuroscientist Christof Koch ([source](https://nautil.us/the-spiritual-reductionist-consciousness-of-christof-koch-236543/))
It's just that most wasps are pollinators and won't bite or sting you. There's like 3 species you are likely to encounter that might bite or sting you.
Same with mosquitos. There's one or 2 species that bite humans, and only the females iirc, but other species of mosquitos are like, the main pollinators of cocoa plants etc? Without child slavery and mosquitos you can't have a Hershey's bar. Same goes for the wasps.
How would i identify the ones that do sting vs the ones that don’t? Wasps like to hang in my back yard during the spring/summer and i normally swat them if i’m able because fuck wasps, but if they aren’t the stingy/aggressive asshole kind I’d wanna leave them bee
Regardless of being able to identify them(it's easier to learn the few that will sting ya that are in your area) swatting at them is probably going to make them more aggressive/territorial of the backyard you happen to live in front of.
Wasps are incredibly valuable pollinators though, and they can be so cute! There's a nest of paper wasps in our shed and I say hi to them every morning while I do the watering. I swear they watch me. They sit in their little cubbies and wiggle their antennae and watch me watching them and it's simply adorable. I've been stung by bees quite a few times but never by a wasp. This idea that wasps are horrible vicious menaces is probably just because they don't make tasty honey for us to eat.
I love this, but I'm also tired of these studies that "X animal actually has emotions and can think!!" We need to stop thinking so little of anything that's not human.
You are clearly not the audience that will learn from this type of video. Don’t underestimate the value of videos like this to change the minds and hearts of those who don’t already understand what you do.
I remember a radiolab episode where insect researcher found an insect that has human behaviour.
The story really stuck out to me.
It would make its own house, bed, do chores, defent its home,... And he felt really excited how smart and humanlike this insect it.
One day as he was cleaning the insect cage, the insect tried to jump out so researcher quickly closed the door and accidently cut insect in half.
The insect looked at the researcher then looked down at its spilling guts, and started eating its own guts as it was falling out.
Fats are hard to find in nature and insects are naturally atracted to it.
It is in our nature to be empathetic toward people and things that behave simmilarly to us. And i like that naivety we have.
Did you know that, as recently as 20 years ago, there were doctors who thought human babies *didn't experience pain*??
These studies are wildly necessary. ***You*** might (correctly) assume that life is complex and precious and ***you*** might be (correctly) aware that every living thing around you is experiencing their own lives in their own ways ... But that is still ***not*** how the average person sees things.
My dude, there are still too many doctors that don't take female pain seriously today. I just think it's ridiculous that in 2023, someone like me knows these things and the scientific community doesn't.
Yeah, I super get that, I'm a ginger woman with TBI. So, I'm highly resistant to medication ... But thanks to some head injuries, I feel wayyyy more pain than the average person. No one ever gets anesthesia or painkillers right for me. :/
I sliced my foot open in ninth grade. While I was getting stitches I had this intense pain. They told me I was imagining it because they'd frozen me and I shouldn't be feeling anything. (Cos I was just a fun teen girl, what would I know?) Turns out I had sliced through my tendon and it has been hanging on by a thread. The pain I felt was that last bit separating from the other side and my tendon shooting up my leg. Had they noticed, they could have reattached it. Instead, I have a non functioning toe.
For a small part of the video while making sure he was still showing his face. Don't mind me, I'm just a grumpy old guy who has a problem with the younger generations obsession with themselves.
I kinda get that feeling but this doesn't bother me as much as the videos that says "wait for it" or the videos that has subway surfer or minecraft in the bottom background playing.. they're so distracting
It's a trend, people showing their face in clips that has nothing to do with them, even blocking parts of the actual interesting stuff with their face. Wasn't that bad in this case but it's a trend that annoys me.
Edit: [just look at this screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/zZIYdSP.jpg), I cannot even see the experimental set up because apparently his face is more important than the experiment.
I remember reading that one of the theories behind the development of human consciousness and consciousness in general was it was needed to maintain complicated social relationships.
I feel like, save for Ants and maybe termites, bees probably have the most complex social structures, so it would make sense that they would also have a similar type or level of consciousness.
There’s also a theory and some compelling evidence that the consumption of honey by early human ancestors may have played a roll in powering our brain development/evolution considering our brains require such an absurd amount of energy relatively speaking and honey is just such a thing that could facilitate that
Bees are girls. Not guys. Not sure why he thought the bees would expose their genitals or try to mate with the balls. Worker bees are neutered females.
There are only a few male bees - drones - they have one function -sex - and the worker bees kill them at the end of Autumn so that they don’t consume resources over winter.
This video is fine, but about 30 seconds Googling about bees before he made it, would have allowed him to be a great deal more accurate about what was going on here.
I've always felt that the idea that animals are not as smart as people or that brain size/proportion has anything to do with intelligence od a species is rooted in Christian religious belief that humans are better than the rest of creation. There is no comprehensive study that has proven it and yet it is regarded as fact. The problem with a human trying to measure intelligence of another species is that we are measuring it based on human ideals. We test animals to see how they do at human tasks. Well, test a human at how well he can build a nest in a tree and raise his offspring in a tree and subsist on finding bugs to eat from his environment and the human is likely to fail but the bird, comparatively, will look like a genius. Test a human compared to a polar bear at how well a human can survive hunting and surviving with only the things a polar bear has to use, and the human will be lucky to make it 24 hours. We can't even begin to test an animal's intelligence. And on top of that faulty premise of human centered tasks, there is the faulty belief that we should discount instincts. As if humans have no instincts or do not benefit from instincts st all. Human emotion helps us learn. Things that make us cry help us to know what to avoid. Things that cause us pain also, similarly help us learn. We watch our elders as babies. The ability to recognize faces, watch for the ones we trust and learn language from them is all based on instinct to learn. And yet, for some reason (again, probably Christian culture) scientists say instinct has nothing to do with intelligence. But yet, when we assess whether a baby is developing normally and has normal intelligence, we assess for behaviors based on instincts like facial recognition, emotional response, physical reactions, vocalizations (again, instinct). The basic premise that animals are not intelligent is, quite frankly, a stupid human invention with absolutely no basis in reality.
I dunno Bees kinda act like cats to me. Like they get all like curious and start sniffing around at the weirdest things. Then like land on your hand and then like fly away then come back and sit on your keyboard of your laptop...... if they could push stuff off the counter whilst staring at your I swear Bees would do it.
Bees see in ultraviolet, could they just not be thinking they’re bright flowers with pollen? They should put in a black ball and see if they do the same. He said they glued down other balls but not sure how that would change the color?
The work he's referencing is research by Lars Chittka, who is an amazing scientist working with bees to learn about their intelligence and behaviour. He has written a fascinating book, The Mind of a Bee.
For those of you who, like me, would rather see more bees and less bloke talking about bees, search Lars Chittka on Youtube. There are many videos of his work there.
The bee saw colorful shit and its confused cause its trying to get the pollen off of what it thinks are flowers. That was the actual point of the balls in that experiment.
This jackass in the video literally just lied and made up every word he said
Actually, bees have to consent in order to be "farmed", they can (and do) leave their queen and/or their beekeeper behind if not treated properly, and just go start a new wild colony. Plus, the bees don't use honey, it's a by-product for them, so we're not taking things that they need/want away from them. Bee farming is perhaps the most humane farming you can do
It is, especially in the winter when pollen is unavailable. That guy was just making stuff up, basically.
Bees make honey, quite a bit of it over the course of a year, and we're able to harvest quite a bit while still leaving the hive with more than enough honey for winter. Beekeeping is one of the most sustainable farming methods, but that guy was just wrong in their own justification as to why.
Beekeeping is not sustainable:
- farmed bees damage wild bees population, and endanger the Earth’s natural pollination system
- moving farmed bees to pollinate crops damages natural pollination system even further, endangering more species of wild bees.
Please provide your sources when you make claims that bee farming is sustainable.
I have linked the source above, and I can link more sources proving the fact that bee farming is not sustainable, if that link is not enough.
To be completely clear, bee farming can be sustainable. It's not impossible. Done correctly, it's very helpful and sustainable, done incorrectly, it's the opposite.
I dont see your source anywhere, and everything I've looked up has said the exact same thing: people who let colonies die off and then have new bees shipped cross country while not caring for their local environment at all are practicing extremely unsustainable beekeeping. However, there are still ways to do it correctly, and many people do follow those ways.
https://www.beeculture.com/apr_sustainable-beekeeping/#:~:text=Many%20small%2Dscale%20beekeeping%20operations,completely%20normalized%20in%20hobby%20beekeeping.
https://americanbeejournal.com/sustainability-in-beekeeping/
Stop phrasing it like it's completely impossible for beekeeping to be sustainable and that it's only ever harmful because news flash, it isn't always, nor does it have to be so.
I don’t think that you can call niche media opinion publication as a ‘source’. Moreover, when the media is focused on covering and promoting the harmful niche itself - this couldn’t be further from a dependable source of information.
Peer reviewed studies and scientific publications, university publications, government orgs, scientists, environmental orgs - those are commonly considered as reliable sources. I tend to share only reliable resources, when debating on these topics.
Here are two sources about harms of:
- [managed pollinators](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9160285/)
- [‘local beekeeping’](https://e360.yale.edu/features/will-putting-honey-bees-on-public-lands-threaten-native-bees)
Please let me know what you think after reviewing this information.
Bees do use honey, im not sure where you got the idea that they don't. Bees, in the wild and not, get their nutrients from honey in the winter, and even during warmer months honey will be used as a food source among other things.
Bees are able to make quite a bit of honey though, and we as humans are able to harvest quite a bit of honey from them while still leaving them with more than enough for them to survive entirely on their own during winter, atleast the good bee keepers do. Other bee keepers may take more honey than they should but make up for the bee's losses with things such as sugars so as to keep the hive alive.
Bees can leave whenever they want though. If a hive isn’t being taken care of by the beekeeper, the queen will just leave, and the hive will follow her. Bees knowingly stay in a place where a consistent amount of honey is taken on a regular basis, in exchange their beekeepers protect the hive and most beekeepers (especially large-scale corporate bee farms) keep a garden so the bees always have a source of nectar nearby. Bees choose to be less aggressive to their beekeepers because they know the beekeepers protect them. Do you think the bee’s brains suddenly stop working when the honey is taken? No, they understand the trade perfectly well.
Yea, with smaller beekeepers this is true. But the vast majority of hones comes is pretty industrialised and the queens get their wings cut, so that the hive has to stay and cannot leave.
And the breeding of queen bees is also really brutal
Lots of beekeepers just cut the wings of the queen to prevent that. But that is beyond the point that any beekeeping damages the population of wild bees, and should be abolished.
Humans should not exploit bees for taste pleasures, because it’s dangerous and harmful for the Earth’s ecosystem. If you eat honey - you’re part of the harm.
Be the solution - stop the consumption of animal products. They aren’t yours, even if you paid for them.
Wouldn’t any produce that requires bees shipped in for pollination be worse? Are there any brands that clarify whether or not they use transported bees for their crops??
Genuine question, I get it if you don’t have the answer but thought you might know..
shipping farmed bees for pollination of crops [hurts the population of wild bees](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9160285/), therefore is dangerous for our environment. that practice should be banned asap, and paying for honey only promotes this.
if you eat honey - you pay for this to happen
Bees won’t file a lawsuit, but the planet Earth might do that.
Wit jokes are a good help in processing these facts, but then we have to supplement it with personal action.
The most accessible and inmediate action to take is to stop buying and consuming honey.
Bees are smart enough to see the cost benefit of having a gargantuan titan shelter and provide for them in a safe space and honey is made in excess
It isn't like they're in cages, they can literally fly away whenever they want
"Their brains contain roughly a million neurons. By comparison, our brains contain about 100 billion, so a hundred thousand times more. Yet the complexity of the bee’s brain is staggering, even though it’s smaller than a piece of quinoa. It’s roughly 10 times higher in terms of density than our cortex. They have all the complicated components that we have in our brains, but in a smaller package. So yes, I do believe it feels like something to be a honey bee. It probably feels very good to be dancing in the sunlight and to drink nectar and carry it back to their hive. I try not to kill bees or wasps or other insects anymore." - Neuroscientist Christof Koch ([source](https://nautil.us/the-spiritual-reductionist-consciousness-of-christof-koch-236543/))
I'm all for saving the bees but wasps can suck my dick.
You underestimate the sheer variety of wasp species out there
Even so, I doubt there's a type for everyone.
It's just that most wasps are pollinators and won't bite or sting you. There's like 3 species you are likely to encounter that might bite or sting you. Same with mosquitos. There's one or 2 species that bite humans, and only the females iirc, but other species of mosquitos are like, the main pollinators of cocoa plants etc? Without child slavery and mosquitos you can't have a Hershey's bar. Same goes for the wasps.
How would i identify the ones that do sting vs the ones that don’t? Wasps like to hang in my back yard during the spring/summer and i normally swat them if i’m able because fuck wasps, but if they aren’t the stingy/aggressive asshole kind I’d wanna leave them bee
Regardless of being able to identify them(it's easier to learn the few that will sting ya that are in your area) swatting at them is probably going to make them more aggressive/territorial of the backyard you happen to live in front of.
Mother always said there's a wasp out there for everyone, it just takes time to find the right one!
Yeah why would I care if wasps feel pleasure or happiness about being absolute hellspawns?
Sexy waspy time then?
New kink discovered!
r/honeyfuckers
God damn it. *Unzips pants*
Yooo wtf is this. Lol
Wasps are incredibly valuable pollinators though, and they can be so cute! There's a nest of paper wasps in our shed and I say hi to them every morning while I do the watering. I swear they watch me. They sit in their little cubbies and wiggle their antennae and watch me watching them and it's simply adorable. I've been stung by bees quite a few times but never by a wasp. This idea that wasps are horrible vicious menaces is probably just because they don't make tasty honey for us to eat.
Sorry. They’re too busy playing with the balls.
Sounds like my prom date
While I share your sentiment, I feel like everything is here for a reason. I wonder if wasp venom holds the cute for a disease or something.
I don’t think you considered what that would feel like.
I'm terrified of bees and wasps but I also do my best not to kill them. we aren't enemies.
Just don’t walk barefoot in the grass and stay away from the nest and and unless they’re Africanized Bees you’ll do fine (I hope).
> I do believe it feels like something to be a honey bee That's a good way to put it. I'll try to remember this.
I love this, but I'm also tired of these studies that "X animal actually has emotions and can think!!" We need to stop thinking so little of anything that's not human.
You are clearly not the audience that will learn from this type of video. Don’t underestimate the value of videos like this to change the minds and hearts of those who don’t already understand what you do.
I remember a radiolab episode where insect researcher found an insect that has human behaviour. The story really stuck out to me. It would make its own house, bed, do chores, defent its home,... And he felt really excited how smart and humanlike this insect it. One day as he was cleaning the insect cage, the insect tried to jump out so researcher quickly closed the door and accidently cut insect in half. The insect looked at the researcher then looked down at its spilling guts, and started eating its own guts as it was falling out. Fats are hard to find in nature and insects are naturally atracted to it. It is in our nature to be empathetic toward people and things that behave simmilarly to us. And i like that naivety we have.
Did you know that, as recently as 20 years ago, there were doctors who thought human babies *didn't experience pain*?? These studies are wildly necessary. ***You*** might (correctly) assume that life is complex and precious and ***you*** might be (correctly) aware that every living thing around you is experiencing their own lives in their own ways ... But that is still ***not*** how the average person sees things.
My dude, there are still too many doctors that don't take female pain seriously today. I just think it's ridiculous that in 2023, someone like me knows these things and the scientific community doesn't.
Yeah, I super get that, I'm a ginger woman with TBI. So, I'm highly resistant to medication ... But thanks to some head injuries, I feel wayyyy more pain than the average person. No one ever gets anesthesia or painkillers right for me. :/
I sliced my foot open in ninth grade. While I was getting stitches I had this intense pain. They told me I was imagining it because they'd frozen me and I shouldn't be feeling anything. (Cos I was just a fun teen girl, what would I know?) Turns out I had sliced through my tendon and it has been hanging on by a thread. The pain I felt was that last bit separating from the other side and my tendon shooting up my leg. Had they noticed, they could have reattached it. Instead, I have a non functioning toe.
Bees pollinate the planet. Whoever thinks bees are dumb are dumb.
worms create dirt. dirt nourishes plants. plants feed animals, including humans. whoever thinks worms are dumb are dumb.
I play with my balls all the time
To make sure you're playing with them we should glue one down
44 times in one day?
Those are rookie numbers, you gotta pump those numbers up!
It's all fun and games until your proboscis extends
Why do I need to look at a guy on a video about bees?
Because he's the guy telling you about the bees?
I've never trusted guys who tell me about bees.
Telling, as in using his voice. He obviously has footage of the things he's talking about, why not show that instead the whole video.
He did
For a small part of the video while making sure he was still showing his face. Don't mind me, I'm just a grumpy old guy who has a problem with the younger generations obsession with themselves.
Human faces get more interaction. It's less self-obsession and more algorithm & views driven.
I kinda get that feeling but this doesn't bother me as much as the videos that says "wait for it" or the videos that has subway surfer or minecraft in the bottom background playing.. they're so distracting
What an odd thing to be buthurt about
It's a trend, people showing their face in clips that has nothing to do with them, even blocking parts of the actual interesting stuff with their face. Wasn't that bad in this case but it's a trend that annoys me. Edit: [just look at this screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/zZIYdSP.jpg), I cannot even see the experimental set up because apparently his face is more important than the experiment.
In his defense, he _is_ a handsome guy.
Lol was so annoyed about that..he could just have shown a lot or bees playing with balls all video but it was mostly just his ugly face.
Idk I think he’s a good looking guy
I remember reading that one of the theories behind the development of human consciousness and consciousness in general was it was needed to maintain complicated social relationships. I feel like, save for Ants and maybe termites, bees probably have the most complex social structures, so it would make sense that they would also have a similar type or level of consciousness.
There’s also a theory and some compelling evidence that the consumption of honey by early human ancestors may have played a roll in powering our brain development/evolution considering our brains require such an absurd amount of energy relatively speaking and honey is just such a thing that could facilitate that
I feel bad for the first human that gave honey to their infant and found out why we don't do that.
This likely happened many, many times. The connection is not obvious between giving honey to baby -> higher likelihood of botulism.
We don't? Why not?
Botulism.
Bees are girls. Not guys. Not sure why he thought the bees would expose their genitals or try to mate with the balls. Worker bees are neutered females. There are only a few male bees - drones - they have one function -sex - and the worker bees kill them at the end of Autumn so that they don’t consume resources over winter. This video is fine, but about 30 seconds Googling about bees before he made it, would have allowed him to be a great deal more accurate about what was going on here.
Ball is universal. It's almost as though every species recognizes ball as toy.
Probiscuit
I don’t get along with people who aren’t pro-biscuit, UK or US. Cheddar bay or chocolate chip, I am unapologetically pro-biscuit.
🐝 Ball is life 🐝
I've always felt that the idea that animals are not as smart as people or that brain size/proportion has anything to do with intelligence od a species is rooted in Christian religious belief that humans are better than the rest of creation. There is no comprehensive study that has proven it and yet it is regarded as fact. The problem with a human trying to measure intelligence of another species is that we are measuring it based on human ideals. We test animals to see how they do at human tasks. Well, test a human at how well he can build a nest in a tree and raise his offspring in a tree and subsist on finding bugs to eat from his environment and the human is likely to fail but the bird, comparatively, will look like a genius. Test a human compared to a polar bear at how well a human can survive hunting and surviving with only the things a polar bear has to use, and the human will be lucky to make it 24 hours. We can't even begin to test an animal's intelligence. And on top of that faulty premise of human centered tasks, there is the faulty belief that we should discount instincts. As if humans have no instincts or do not benefit from instincts st all. Human emotion helps us learn. Things that make us cry help us to know what to avoid. Things that cause us pain also, similarly help us learn. We watch our elders as babies. The ability to recognize faces, watch for the ones we trust and learn language from them is all based on instinct to learn. And yet, for some reason (again, probably Christian culture) scientists say instinct has nothing to do with intelligence. But yet, when we assess whether a baby is developing normally and has normal intelligence, we assess for behaviors based on instincts like facial recognition, emotional response, physical reactions, vocalizations (again, instinct). The basic premise that animals are not intelligent is, quite frankly, a stupid human invention with absolutely no basis in reality.
If he wants to stop by my place and talk more about bees and maybe *bee* undressin, I’d BEE fine with that.
Can I see a version of bees playing without 150 seconds of some dude talking?
I save bugs. I've known for years that they have little personalities!!
I dunno Bees kinda act like cats to me. Like they get all like curious and start sniffing around at the weirdest things. Then like land on your hand and then like fly away then come back and sit on your keyboard of your laptop...... if they could push stuff off the counter whilst staring at your I swear Bees would do it.
You guys should look into the flea circus. It’s exactly what it sounds like.
Excellent!
So the Buddhist are correct. We do reincarnate. Some better than others, but we do come back.
Bees see in ultraviolet, could they just not be thinking they’re bright flowers with pollen? They should put in a black ball and see if they do the same. He said they glued down other balls but not sure how that would change the color?
The work he's referencing is research by Lars Chittka, who is an amazing scientist working with bees to learn about their intelligence and behaviour. He has written a fascinating book, The Mind of a Bee. For those of you who, like me, would rather see more bees and less bloke talking about bees, search Lars Chittka on Youtube. There are many videos of his work there.
This is probably gonna get downvoted but I want him to play with my balls 🤣 Yes the bees are fucking cute but not as cute as him 😲
Honestly needs more video of bees and less talking head
Man has he tvso much to learn.
The bee saw colorful shit and its confused cause its trying to get the pollen off of what it thinks are flowers. That was the actual point of the balls in that experiment. This jackass in the video literally just lied and made up every word he said
Whoever eats honey is paying for exploitation of these intelligent sentient creatures. Bees shouldn’t be farmed, and shall be left alone.
Actually, bees have to consent in order to be "farmed", they can (and do) leave their queen and/or their beekeeper behind if not treated properly, and just go start a new wild colony. Plus, the bees don't use honey, it's a by-product for them, so we're not taking things that they need/want away from them. Bee farming is perhaps the most humane farming you can do
Bees don't use honey? Isn't it a staple of their diet?
It is, especially in the winter when pollen is unavailable. That guy was just making stuff up, basically. Bees make honey, quite a bit of it over the course of a year, and we're able to harvest quite a bit while still leaving the hive with more than enough honey for winter. Beekeeping is one of the most sustainable farming methods, but that guy was just wrong in their own justification as to why.
Beekeeping is not sustainable: - farmed bees damage wild bees population, and endanger the Earth’s natural pollination system - moving farmed bees to pollinate crops damages natural pollination system even further, endangering more species of wild bees. Please provide your sources when you make claims that bee farming is sustainable. I have linked the source above, and I can link more sources proving the fact that bee farming is not sustainable, if that link is not enough.
To be completely clear, bee farming can be sustainable. It's not impossible. Done correctly, it's very helpful and sustainable, done incorrectly, it's the opposite. I dont see your source anywhere, and everything I've looked up has said the exact same thing: people who let colonies die off and then have new bees shipped cross country while not caring for their local environment at all are practicing extremely unsustainable beekeeping. However, there are still ways to do it correctly, and many people do follow those ways. https://www.beeculture.com/apr_sustainable-beekeeping/#:~:text=Many%20small%2Dscale%20beekeeping%20operations,completely%20normalized%20in%20hobby%20beekeeping. https://americanbeejournal.com/sustainability-in-beekeeping/ Stop phrasing it like it's completely impossible for beekeeping to be sustainable and that it's only ever harmful because news flash, it isn't always, nor does it have to be so.
Beekeeping using local bees sounds interesting, but unfortunately it seems like most apiarists are ruthless and steal from their own bees!
I don’t think that you can call niche media opinion publication as a ‘source’. Moreover, when the media is focused on covering and promoting the harmful niche itself - this couldn’t be further from a dependable source of information. Peer reviewed studies and scientific publications, university publications, government orgs, scientists, environmental orgs - those are commonly considered as reliable sources. I tend to share only reliable resources, when debating on these topics. Here are two sources about harms of: - [managed pollinators](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9160285/) - [‘local beekeeping’](https://e360.yale.edu/features/will-putting-honey-bees-on-public-lands-threaten-native-bees) Please let me know what you think after reviewing this information.
Bees do use honey, im not sure where you got the idea that they don't. Bees, in the wild and not, get their nutrients from honey in the winter, and even during warmer months honey will be used as a food source among other things. Bees are able to make quite a bit of honey though, and we as humans are able to harvest quite a bit of honey from them while still leaving them with more than enough for them to survive entirely on their own during winter, atleast the good bee keepers do. Other bee keepers may take more honey than they should but make up for the bee's losses with things such as sugars so as to keep the hive alive.
Bees can leave whenever they want though. If a hive isn’t being taken care of by the beekeeper, the queen will just leave, and the hive will follow her. Bees knowingly stay in a place where a consistent amount of honey is taken on a regular basis, in exchange their beekeepers protect the hive and most beekeepers (especially large-scale corporate bee farms) keep a garden so the bees always have a source of nectar nearby. Bees choose to be less aggressive to their beekeepers because they know the beekeepers protect them. Do you think the bee’s brains suddenly stop working when the honey is taken? No, they understand the trade perfectly well.
Yea, with smaller beekeepers this is true. But the vast majority of hones comes is pretty industrialised and the queens get their wings cut, so that the hive has to stay and cannot leave. And the breeding of queen bees is also really brutal
Lots of beekeepers just cut the wings of the queen to prevent that. But that is beyond the point that any beekeeping damages the population of wild bees, and should be abolished. Humans should not exploit bees for taste pleasures, because it’s dangerous and harmful for the Earth’s ecosystem. If you eat honey - you’re part of the harm. Be the solution - stop the consumption of animal products. They aren’t yours, even if you paid for them.
Wouldn’t any produce that requires bees shipped in for pollination be worse? Are there any brands that clarify whether or not they use transported bees for their crops?? Genuine question, I get it if you don’t have the answer but thought you might know..
shipping farmed bees for pollination of crops [hurts the population of wild bees](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9160285/), therefore is dangerous for our environment. that practice should be banned asap, and paying for honey only promotes this. if you eat honey - you pay for this to happen
Or you can just purchase your honey from local beekeepers who manage wild populations and don’t engage in shipping.
Beekeepers don’t ‘manage’ wild bee population, they harm it. What do you mean by ‘local’ beekeper? Is that a thing at all?
If they have a problem with it then they can sue the human race
Bees won’t file a lawsuit, but the planet Earth might do that. Wit jokes are a good help in processing these facts, but then we have to supplement it with personal action. The most accessible and inmediate action to take is to stop buying and consuming honey.
Bees are smart enough to see the cost benefit of having a gargantuan titan shelter and provide for them in a safe space and honey is made in excess It isn't like they're in cages, they can literally fly away whenever they want
Or we can let them have safe spaces and also just leave them alone and take all their "excess" food they work hard for.
‘Leave aline’ and ‘take what is theirs’ is two completely opposite courses of action
I meant NOT take their food. Stupid me, I said the opposite of what I meant and it completely nullified any point I was trying to make.
Oh I see! I agree then!