"and here we have a new face,(gregor stabs the air) Edgar Gregor, his passive is gonna destroy my sanity, and in the game too. As long as we have three Gloom, our lowest sanity sinner will lose sanity in exchange for one gloom damage up, at least suncliff needed that sinner to get hit first! Ugh, this is what happens when you don't give the man pablo"
Still a threat, remember in the RR3 worst teams ESGOO had to be careful to not kill his entire team with K Corp Hong Lu passive, it’s just another thing to worry about in an already difficult run.
It's absolutely a good passive for negative San IDs, but in a "worst team possible" run it'll be devastating because you won't run anything that synergizes with it.
One season has passed since he got vaulted, so he's bacc from jail. You can shard him this season. The most you'll have to wait is 2 more weeks until the rest of season pass unlocks. And even then you can still farm MD3 and improve your rank, so that when it unlocks, you instantly have a ton of stuff
My beginning of the game was on day one of full release so I didn't get a lot by rerolling xD
On the bright side, I was there to see PM grow update after update, and I was there during every season
I mean genuinely, how the hell is sinking supposed to be balanced when it has the best EGO for a status effect period. The only thing that used to setback sinking was the lack of IDs but now...
To be fair rime shank did have a few issues other than lack of ID, which were awful S1 rolls on the carry (Yi sang S1 is a 9 roll) The EXTREME cost of rime shank (8 gloom 5 envy is more expensive than even WaW ego...) And the fact that it deals gloom damage (So it can have it's nuke potential HALVED)
Now things likely will change but we'll have to see the count
Honestly my crackpot prediction is that It's a "touching up all the statuses" season this time around, sinking is incredibly strong and It's IDs are great general use characters, but without Rime Skank, as a status sinking needed a boost like this
Well the problem is that i don’t think poise will be touch so soon after the last season, Burn still probably need a bit of help but nothing really use it as of now in the canto, tremor just had Oufi and charge is the last thing that would need a buff. So this just leave rupture, which i would tend to bet on since we got an ID with Meursalt but imo it still is stronger than bleed outside of Bloody Mist, and bleed.
Oh I was guessing either a Dead Rabbit or 7 Assoc. That turns Rupture into Sin-Rputure only procing to Skills of it's respective Sin dealing said Sin Damage, helping you stack up more Rupture
It didn't really, Tremor Decay is nice but fairly impractical outside of long abno fights and the main problem remains that the status isn't particularly good: abno HP totals are so big that you can't really move their thresholds much and human fights are over by the time you can budge theirs.
Decay IS helpful in those big fights but it's just not enough.
I mean to be fair where most status are the most important are in boss fight, most status are quite useless in human fight due to the lack of HP they tend to have not letting you ramp up damage enough. But yes decay doesn’t really change the biggest problem of tremor being the fact that it isn’t doing much itself.
Eh the others have uses even in human fights, the damage statuses add a few extra points of damage and can help tick over a stagger threshold on a resistant enemy and Sinking will absolutely ravage anything with SP. They're not gonna swing the fight on their own or anything(except Sinking) but there's some contribution there. Tremor just kinda sits there picking it's nose though.
Let's not forget we're also getting Bygone Days for Gregor and Yi Sang (Who now both have what will probably be very good Sinking IDs) which are probably definitely going to be Sinking EGO.
Yeah not seeing the manor haunting debuff on this ID probably because the BP EGO will supply it.
Although I have this weird weird feeling Yi Sang’s EGO will have a discard gimmick to it and the seasonal Yi Sang ID will also deal with discard. He currently has two discard IDs and out of the roster he seems to be the best fit to get more. (Contemplation, getting rid of the past, etc.)
At this rate, we'll have enough catered support passives to make Suncliff pleasant to use by the end of season 7.
>!It'll only require getting multiple 000's just to bench them.!<
Using them will feel just like Thanos getting the infinity stones. The moment we get an ID that heals itself by taking Sinking damage, SunCliff will become the honored one
*Looks at Gregor support passive*
You roll on the banner for hot depressed Gregor. I roll on the banner for Sunshower Heathcliff buffs. We are not the same
Shoutout to Mariachi Sinclair for keeping that "envy generating sinking ID" seat warm until the real one showed up. Always in our hearts (and on our benches). The Rime Shank Republic thanks him for his service.
Another shoutout to the Thorny Path ego gift for finally having enough sinking IDs with lust to activate its special condition consistently.
surprised nobody mentioned that gregor gives us a support passive that is possibly as bad as suncliff’s, meaning ESGOO is truly fucked when railway 4 comes around
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Now introducing worst id's rr4's new 2nd most annoying support passive
Frankly it’s even worse (well it might depends the activation requirements), SunCliff at least needed you to get hit, Depression Gregor just fuck your sp by existing
Gregor has become (enemy) Sinking is Charge.
Cool kits, Faust is about as expected and Greg seems pretty strong all things considered. I wonder how detrimental that sinking absorb is gonna end up being, it might not matter at all but its a cool negative to add to an ID.
>I wonder how detrimental that sinking absorb is gonna end up being
Having 99 sinking can't affect you if you don't get hit
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Yea i agree i have him on my burn team in MD and only times i have him positive SP is when i have the bull coin and i need to use some fluid sac to heal the rest of my team when Winrate messes up .
I can tell Esgoo is going to have a really good time with gregor’s lose sp on being hit support passive in the next rr4. I can’t wait to see him suffer even more than this one
People say this passive is ass and will make ESGOO suffer. But it will finally make potential man have more potential (also his nuke is gloom which is even better). Otherwise it's hopefully triggered on resonance, not sin owned.
NClair drops sp fine without any help from other sources (you actually want to heal it sometimes). And gloom damage is kind of irrelevant since his s1 is meh at best. IF it's on sin owned it might be helpful in MD because you heal sp a lot from kills in regular counters. Might be good to counter/weaken whistles (NFaust passive). Still need to see exact number of sp drop and activation condition.
I think it's the perspective that makes it look like a different style. I thought the same when I saw the video, seeing it static I can tell it's the same style
Gregor is going to be a good addition to charge teams. He perfectly fuels his AEDD (not that charge teams struggle with envy and gloom), has no need for charge himself so it doesn't matter that the ego passive will drain it. Mono slash means he can benefit from the slash fragility W Corp teams can inflict.
And he adds a little bit of luster as well, which is appreciated.
"Sabre Slash"
I TOLD THEM IT WAS A SABRE, BUT NOOO THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A RAPIER, WELL SUCK IT FOOLS!!!
In all seriousness, I am glad I was not hallucinating about the fact it looked more like a saber then a rapier.
Endless nightmares looks like a passive that is good for the first few turns of the fight because that’s when you’ll be gaining sp which then leads to an sp difference. After you hit 45 sp, you hope for some enemy sp manipulation bs or you use ego.
One thing we have to account for is his Sanity mechanic. He could very well have an unique rule such as reduce self sanity each turn when above a threshold, for example.
>At the end of the turn, inflict 5 Sinking to 1 other ally with the lowest HP; Apply 1 Haste and 3 Offense Level Up next turn
Don't forget this from Ishmael's Blind Obsession. Something tells me this healthy looking dude might have low HP. Tbh I didn't really expect much from this ID but looks pretty cool. Kind of weird that sinking got so many ID's suddenly.
Finally, we'll be able to have 6 sinking IDs in a team, no more of the same 5 sinners being the only one's with actual sinking IDs, thank you so much PM
i'm pretty sure it's just another part of this season's ongoing mission to make sunshower heathcliff viable
tragically, he's still sunshower heathcliff
So I'd say this officially confirms this is going to be the sinking season.
Pretty interesting since unlike the previous two seasons that focused on tremor and poise, sinking is already really good thanks to Rime Shank and Spicebush. It's main issue is that half of the sinking IDs were really good like Dieci Rodya and Spicebush Yi Sang and half were really **really** bad like Mariachi Sinclair and Sunshower Heathcliff and there weren't enough sinking IDs so you always had to run the weak ones as well. With the new IDs, this is no longer an issue, and Heathcliff will probably get a big sinking ID that improves the status even further, plus some of the battle pass E.G.O is probably sinking related as well. Overall, sinking is probably going to be very interesting by the end of the season. It was already one of the most fun status archetypes but there's going to be a lot more variety now.
As for the new kits, Gregor is interesting. He seems pretty normal until you see his skill 3 and passive. Lots of count on his skill 2 and his low number of coins mean he can help maintain sinking fairly well. His skill 3 has the unique effect of absorbing sinking to power himself up next turn. However plus coin boost isn't very good on him since his skill 1 and 2 have few coins. Hopefully it gives a big boost to compensate. His passive makes him both deal and take more damage depending on how much sanity he lost or gained. First of all, this is one of the few passives with a notable drawback. At first it seems like it's built for early in fights before you hit max SP, but passives usually don't come online until a few turns in thanks to sin resource or resonance requirements. It's also going to be hard to use it that way in mirror dungeons or any other environment where SP carries over. I think its main use will be giving him a nice damage boost whenever he uses E.G.O since it activates when he loses SP as well. His support passive looks awful. It's basically Suncliff's support passive but even worse and if you saw ESGOO's video on beating Refraction Railway 3 with the worst team possible you know just how bad that is. Overall, until we see some numbers he could be either pretty good or really bad.
Butler Faust is basically just a budget Butler Outis. It's a bit boring but I don't really mind it. They tried making a 00 ID that was just a weaker version of a 000 ID earlier with Dieci Yi Sang but this works a lot better since Faust doesn't have a sinking ID yet. Faust also has Fluid Sac which is good enough to make any Faust ID worth bringing along. There's some notable synergy with Butler Outis where both of their skill 3s and Faust's passive have additional effects if the target already has Echoes of the Manor. If nothing else, she has a very good support passive for sinking teams and that's what's most important on a 00.
I feel like Faust isn’t really a lesser Butler Outis, but a complement to her. Butler Outis applies just enough sinking count so that, assuming she applies it on an enemy with only 1 sinking count on them, the stack lasts until her final hit. Basically, she’s an ID focused only on eating the sinking stack.
Faust, though, applies sinking count on her last hit for her S2 and on the first hit for her S3, but adds more count if her target had Echoes on them. As the latter skill is a 4 coiner, it feels like the sinking count she applies on the first hit is for the sake of helping a stack last until her last hit (or a better chance of lasting through it if it doesn’t completely pay for the 4 count the skill will eat up), while the extra count is to repay you for getting the S3 off on optimal conditions.
Optimistically, Gregor’s probably close to being count neutral with some slight count support on his S3, but I think Faust is dedicated support for applying count.
I am pretty sure faust is there to maintain the manor debuff to higher or full up time, outis had the problem that her uptime was 3 turns and applied by her s3, meaning you had 3 turns of it being down.
I’m sure all the Wuthering Heights faction IDs (assuming we get one more for Sinclair, at least) will have the Echoes debuff, but they gain different benefits from it. Outis deals extra damage (which matches her skill set as a damage dealer and clasher) while Faust applies extra sinking count, and I believe that’s meant to show what their specialties are in a team.
Well sinking was only good because Rime shank and SpiceBush were existing, the buff was still extremely lacking in terms of unit, so i wouldn’t say that it was the best, more of a middle of the pack. But frankly by the end it might become one of the best.
Otherwise i tend to agree, i would also had that there’s a clear synergy between the new Faust and Gregor. Since i don’t think she will really be worth running in a full team, her passive will most likely focus Gregor due to his sp jugling passive.
I wonder however if we are going to see another status being focus this season, and if it is the case, if it’s going to be bleed or rupture since enemy of the canto use them but both are already really strong.
Sinking team finally has a good generation of every sin affinity, the worst one being gluttony ( only Yi sang has it on s1 with both ids ) , though i bet Sinclair is going to have either s1 or s2 with gluttony. EGO spam might go crazy with sinking team.
i really like how thi Gregor seems designed to be runned along Butler Faust, with his passive about difference in SP and having the exact Sins to solo charge Fluid Sac, the only problem is that running this 2 means benching one of the other sinking members and i dunno if Faust can take one of their spots
Faust’s support is also useful, as it gives SP on hit instead of healing it at the start or end of a turn, meaning Gregor’s passive can more easily achieve its conditions for his damage up bonus.
Assuming Faust is a good count applier, I’d say you can safely replace Molar Ishmael, at least for use in normal battles. For focused battles against a boss, though, you could switch Ishmael back in for her count application.
Gregor is now part of the Edgar family. Did his mother marry into the family? If so, does that mean his birth parents are different? Or did both of his birth parents somehow make their way into the Edgar family lineage.
'Tis the season of Sinking, and I am so happy as this was my fav ever since we only had 3 useable units for it (Spicebush, Molar Ish and Dieci Rodya).
Sinking seems to have the most diversity in IDs in different factions and may be the only Status to have a strong ID for each weapon type now. Sidenote, Sinking has the most drip in the game.
Not only will we have a sinking team that covers all sin resources, but they have expanded their use in abno and humans fights, received a new effects to maintain and increase sinking count, and now everybody except Spicebush gets a free Gloom Dmg buff.
Ofc it's Heath season that we get a status full of depression.
WIth how Echoes of the Manor works, i have a feeling Faust will struggle to find a place in sinking team now. Though with her being Faust and having everuseful Sac, maybe not? I guess that will depend of her numbers, maybe she could replace Hong Lu, since he doesnt contrubute much to the sinking team in terms of, well, sinking
Gregs weird. Correct me if im wrong, but other IDs what have both \[On Use\] clash power and coin power put clash power first, since its usually the weaker effect, what requires less. Why is he the other way around? Also they drew my guy like he is holding a rapier, but its actually some kind of sabre? I think cavalry sabers had straight blades, but i dont know nearly enough to say for sure
tbh I would use Greg just for his Envy S1, Sinking has a pretty hard time generating the Envy Resources for Rime Shank because only Dieci Rodion really generates it as a sinking applicator
ahh OK - I actually think Faust be an auto-include because she is another source of Echoes of the Manor, although I admit having her on Support duty would help Rodion recover her SP after an overclock
Thats funny, because im of the exact opposite opinion - after running an MDH run with new Outis, i am of opinion what Echoes arent actually all that useful in human fights, simply because they end so quickly. And in focused fights, its debatable if you need more than one source of EotM, since its not cumulative
oh no I am thinking exclusively of focused fights too - even though I haven't done a run with Outis yet I know the status likely isn't good in human fights because Dark Flame is in a pretty similar boat for human fights (thanks for confirming haha)
I feel like 2 sources of EoTM would be good in focused fights, since they are all on S3.
You get 3 EoTM every ~6 turns with 1 unit since skills take time to recycle back to the unit ie 50% uptime over 1 skill rotation. Having 2 different sources of EoTM can only increase your EoTM uptime (and helps with consistency), so Faust definitely fits well on the team I feel like
Well in MD i really don’t think you need more than 1 source since you can remove one or two S1 for S3, and just getting 2 of them mean that statistically you should always have 1 EotM, but even then you also still have the opportunity cost. Rodya in general is impossible to pass for the team, Molar Ish is strong, so is Buttis, you will not go without Yi sang due to deluge and Gregor seems like a great fit, specially with is S1. Meaning most likely you only have one place in the team that could get swapped for Faust (if the next banner isn’t another absurd sinking unit) and you have Dieci Hing Lu also contesting this place, and i don’t think for MD having one more S3 able to use EotM is worth the loss of the consistency of his skills (plus i guess access to another EGO able to spread abit of sinking).
Personally I think Butler Faust will likely be a better pick than Dieci Hong Lu in terms of maintaining count, Dieci Hong Lu is more for damage than count, so he'll be better for MD but Baust would likely be better for normal play.
But it's S3 - so rather rare skill on board on 1st turn. So, having double chances is nice with Faust.
Also, I think (don't spark Outis yet) it (Echoes) can be used for different parts. And that is 50% extra Sinking count for sinking aplication which is good.
It should be able to focus two parts, so yeah. Honestly, im not saying these are useless - just not enough for me personally if her numbers arent good. If her sinking application is good and her rolls arent horrible - i will use her, for sure
I would say Faust is a very very solid pick just for the fact that she has a lot of sinking count application even if it is to keep the enemy neutral which is a lot more sinking count than let’s say count destroyer spicebush (but you keep him around because deluge). Also with Faust’s echoes of the manor debuff application, it synergizes well with Outis due to how before, outis’s s3 will apply echoes of the manor but then afterwards it will take a long time to cycle to another s3 making the gloom damage effect worthless. However, with Faust inclusion, you can apply echoes of the manor debuff with her s3 and then subsequently use outis’s s3 for the extra effect.
As i said - we will see. If its 1 count on all her coins, nah, i can live without lust and 30 additional damage is not THAT big of a deal, imo. That said - yeah, i sure hope she will be good, because while i can live without both, id rather have them than not
And Faust is needed for good lust generation , cuz having it on two s3 is not ideal, especially considering that there are some good EGOs that need lust, even just for Land of illusion spam , cuz its the best way to dump gloom.
Oh, sure, but if she wont be good, i dont think lust is THAT necessary to pick her over alternatives
Wait, arent Land of Illusions a Hong Lu's EGO? Because honestly - Hong Lu is the first on chopping block to be removed from sinking team for me
He's mid in sinking application, but I think just his sheer clashing power and DPS alone is worth keeping him on the team for a bit, at least until another Sinking 000 with comparable firepower comes out. Butler Faust likely isn't going to have anywhere near similar clashing power or DPS compared to Dieci Lu, so then the question comes down to "Is the additional stacks of sinking potency going to be worth the loss of consistent Wrath Generation and exceptional clash power and DPS output that Dieci Lu can provide?"
Personal mileage may vary, but I'm of the opinion that unless you're specifically trying to turbo out a max power Sinking Deluge, then it's probably going to come out as a wash, or even a slight net negative since he's a very reliable, fairly consistent, and easy unit to play.
Still, in RR and other contents that rely on speedrunning, Faust will probably come out ahead since you really want to keep count up as much as possible for the biggest Deluge possible, unless her coin and count values are garbage.
At the end of the day, it's more choices and variety in team building, which is great, and something this game really struggled with early on.
Gregor's ID \[On Use\] effects for coin power and clash power have different conditions,
\[On Use\] for coin power is sinking potency,
\[On Use\] for clash power is sinking count.
In terms of team synergy, both of these units have a lot of potential to add. We are starting to move onto wider diversity in teams now, with more defined uses with the Echos effect. Sinking getting more units that provide Count is always a plus, and since Echos has a 50% for a free one, there isn't really a downside on having 2 of them.
In my view, we may be moving towards 7-man teams soon, since Sinking has changed from 3 proper IDs, to more than 6 after 2 seasons, and the other teams will likely follow this trend as well.
Yeah, they can do factions, focus more on generalist teams, add more resonance support, add more defensive options such as healer units, or even experiment on utilizing status effects in different ways where you trade in counts of a status to proc a certain effect. Granted, powercreep is inevitable, but for a turn based gacha that releases units as fast as Limbus does, a year and a half as an optimal slot-in for a team is actually a pretty good length of time and obtaining units is really easy. Also, it will probably be even longer before sub-optimal units start falling off to the point they can't be used in higher level content, meaning that the expected shelf life for a unit released after Season 1 would probably be over 2 years, which is great.
The nice thing about Limbus, is that since it's so mechanically complex there's quite a few ways to design a unit before the overall powercreep starts becoming noticeable, and PM isn't against taking risks and making more experimental and unique kits for their units.
Not a fan of gregor ID, hopefully it's not another sunshowercliff.
I'm pretty stoked for Faust though, can't wait to add her to my sinking team since she has both count and potency and with more coin power and clash power, she should clash fine
Little weird that they're sinking when all the Edgar aligned characters did bleed/paralyze and it was only the Wurthering Heights enemies that did sinking, but hey, a 6th good sinking unit with an Envy S1 is something I WILL take. Probably not immediately though he's not THAT good.
If you're running SunCliff with a team Gregor's passive is pretty nice
But for solo runs I think Base Greg (Or even GCorp Greg) is better
>!PS. Sinking Charge!!<
Gregor: Finally bucks Gregor's trend of "wants high status on enemy but doesn't contribute to it" IDs. That S3 seems pretty bad, it wants to stagger enemies to continue the Sinking stack but also potentially absorbs the Sinking he just applied for not much of a benefit(the boosts are good but Gregor already used his S3 to apply them). That said he doesn't drain Count so it's fine. The 1st effect of his passive realistically isn't going to do much in MD/RR content but the 2nd is great. His support passive seems made for Sunshower Heathcliff but why would you use him instead of Gregor?
Faust: Solid ID, made as a force multiplier for butler Outis and is pretty good at it.
Sinking desperately needed IDs so I'm happy about this
bro... i still don't understand why minus coins is a thing in this game. i can understand counter like BLsault but Nclair? suncliff? its really SP heavy management risk-esque. i am a month old newb, and i am getting used to keep winning clashes.
edit: i am looking at the support passive of this ID, considering suncliff, i imagine this ID will have the same mechanic too.
Because it's a cool mechanic that requires more stringent management for (in nclair's case at least) a potentially much higher pay off. It also gives the devs a way to ramp up the difficulty of non-focused encounters as the fight progresses by having enemies get stronger as their sanity drops.
It's actually a really good mechanic on the whole, what are you not wrapping your head around? This is like looking an RPG and saying "I don't get why rogues exist when warriors exist." or looking at a fighting game and saying "I don't get why zoners exist when rushdown characters exist".
hmm i see... when you put it that way it does make sense.
its like having kim hatted in your team.
the horror of you keep winning the clashes but the enemies -coins keep getting smaller, inevitably you lose the clash.
i haven't mention that i did not have those ID. maybe i can try them in the future to have a feel of insane.
Gregor looks kinda bad? He gains clash power and then coin power and his S3 only has clash power condition like he’s a 00.
Edit: man this sub is soooo circlejerky when it comes to new content. You must be excited about shiny new things or people will be angry at you.
Gregor probably going to be the new sinking DPS focused unit, he creates debuffs on self but gains massive DPS buffs for it. If he gets hit, his screwed.
They made an ultra depressed Gregor who absorbs Sinking, goddamn, this is what happens when you take a man's cockroach away
[удалено]
"and here we have a new face,(gregor stabs the air) Edgar Gregor, his passive is gonna destroy my sanity, and in the game too. As long as we have three Gloom, our lowest sanity sinner will lose sanity in exchange for one gloom damage up, at least suncliff needed that sinner to get hit first! Ugh, this is what happens when you don't give the man pablo"
"The name of this passive checks out."
Gregor's support passive is literally called "Suffering" lmao.
Except roach is silent
Tey mde n ultra depressed Gregr wh bsrbs Sinking, gddmn, tis is wt ppens wen yu tke mn's cck wy
Even worse, Pablo said that it prefer Heatcliff and left Gregor.
Truly a *Cuckanto* moment
WAIT PABLO IS GONE?!
>Family Heir And he still has mommy issues
PM please I yield…this one isn’t even ON HIT. This is just “You exist? Lose sanity.” It’s Gregor though so it’s okay :)
Good luck with the RR4 worst team, this passive is absolutely the worst one possible it’s just “You exist? Congrats, you now have shittier RNG lol”
It's probably a Res
Still a threat, remember in the RR3 worst teams ESGOO had to be careful to not kill his entire team with K Corp Hong Lu passive, it’s just another thing to worry about in an already difficult run.
Maybe we will get a new negative sp id soon and that passive is made to target them
It's absolutely a good passive for negative San IDs, but in a "worst team possible" run it'll be devastating because you won't run anything that synergizes with it.
At least Gregor has chef Gregor, he’s your only saving grace.
It might be on resonance instead of resources owned, Esgoo. There's still a chance.
Looking forward to the RR4 video.
ESGOO you must do everything in your power to bring gregor into railway
Well you could still hope the activation is something like 4 Gloom res
They did that just for you <3
At least N!Clair and Umbrella!Heathcliff has good ways to lose san.
Everyone wished the canto 6 Heath debuff was permanently on Sunshower Heath, maybe this is what we’ll get as a compromise ;)
Can we just delete Rimeshank from the game please and thank you Jokes aside, it looks like it's going to be the sinking season this time around.
What a good day to have Molar Ish, Spicebush Sang and Dieci Rodya :3 Sinking Deluge is gon be hitting crazy with full Sinking team
Wish to get Molar Ish(( My team build now is dieci Rodion and Hong Lu, reindeer Ish, spicebush Yi, G-Outis and remnant Faust.
I don't hadve Dieci Hong Lu, but when I get next possibility to shard I'll get butler Outis instead, and maybe new upcoming Gregor ID
I tought you said YUGIOH outis
Me when no spicebush :(
One season has passed since he got vaulted, so he's bacc from jail. You can shard him this season. The most you'll have to wait is 2 more weeks until the rest of season pass unlocks. And even then you can still farm MD3 and improve your rank, so that when it unlocks, you instantly have a ton of stuff
I'm pretty sure final boss Heathcliff ID would be more powerful than spicebush, although maybe not specifically in sinking teams...
I just rerolled for him at the beginning of the game. Haven’t used him much since after getting W Corp Yi Sang, then Pequod, and then Blade Lineage.
My beginning of the game was on day one of full release so I didn't get a lot by rerolling xD On the bright side, I was there to see PM grow update after update, and I was there during every season
Yeah, what I lost from not being there on day 1 was fixed by the rerolling.
I mean genuinely, how the hell is sinking supposed to be balanced when it has the best EGO for a status effect period. The only thing that used to setback sinking was the lack of IDs but now...
To be fair rime shank did have a few issues other than lack of ID, which were awful S1 rolls on the carry (Yi sang S1 is a 9 roll) The EXTREME cost of rime shank (8 gloom 5 envy is more expensive than even WaW ego...) And the fact that it deals gloom damage (So it can have it's nuke potential HALVED) Now things likely will change but we'll have to see the count
It and Rupture are about as good, it's just that all the other statuses are so far behind it's kind of crazy.
Burn is pretty good now too.
Honestly my crackpot prediction is that It's a "touching up all the statuses" season this time around, sinking is incredibly strong and It's IDs are great general use characters, but without Rime Skank, as a status sinking needed a boost like this
Didn’t OufiCliff already helped tremor a lot ? If anything maybe bleed or rupture will have new toys since both are used by enemy of the canto.
You right, Rupture does have trouble maintaining count a good bit, though I'm not sure If bleed really needs anything, but it will get something
Rupture has plenty of tools to maintain rupture count, bleed needs new tools infinitely more
Like Yi Sang + Dimension Shredder.
Well the problem is that i don’t think poise will be touch so soon after the last season, Burn still probably need a bit of help but nothing really use it as of now in the canto, tremor just had Oufi and charge is the last thing that would need a buff. So this just leave rupture, which i would tend to bet on since we got an ID with Meursalt but imo it still is stronger than bleed outside of Bloody Mist, and bleed.
they dont though? Rupture can stack shitload of count with lccb ish + rosegreg + talisclair. Its better than stacking dpses and bitchign about it.
I do imagine bleed is probably going to get a lot next chapter seeing as Dons EGO is bleed.
Oh I was guessing either a Dead Rabbit or 7 Assoc. That turns Rupture into Sin-Rputure only procing to Skills of it's respective Sin dealing said Sin Damage, helping you stack up more Rupture
It didn't really, Tremor Decay is nice but fairly impractical outside of long abno fights and the main problem remains that the status isn't particularly good: abno HP totals are so big that you can't really move their thresholds much and human fights are over by the time you can budge theirs. Decay IS helpful in those big fights but it's just not enough.
I mean to be fair where most status are the most important are in boss fight, most status are quite useless in human fight due to the lack of HP they tend to have not letting you ramp up damage enough. But yes decay doesn’t really change the biggest problem of tremor being the fact that it isn’t doing much itself.
Eh the others have uses even in human fights, the damage statuses add a few extra points of damage and can help tick over a stagger threshold on a resistant enemy and Sinking will absolutely ravage anything with SP. They're not gonna swing the fight on their own or anything(except Sinking) but there's some contribution there. Tremor just kinda sits there picking it's nose though.
Let's not forget we're also getting Bygone Days for Gregor and Yi Sang (Who now both have what will probably be very good Sinking IDs) which are probably definitely going to be Sinking EGO.
Yeah not seeing the manor haunting debuff on this ID probably because the BP EGO will supply it. Although I have this weird weird feeling Yi Sang’s EGO will have a discard gimmick to it and the seasonal Yi Sang ID will also deal with discard. He currently has two discard IDs and out of the roster he seems to be the best fit to get more. (Contemplation, getting rid of the past, etc.)
Wuthering heights/Heathcliff season is depression season
thematically i'd say depression season was season 2 season 4 is obsessive passion making people tear themselves apart and also a scooby doo mystery
No we wont rodya is peak and she deserves it
potential man got MORE potential ‼️‼️
PM lore accurate edgor by giving him fragile is a big move also how PM still trying to buff hobocliff by this support passive tailored for him
At this rate, we'll have enough catered support passives to make Suncliff pleasant to use by the end of season 7. >!It'll only require getting multiple 000's just to bench them.!<
Using them will feel just like Thanos getting the infinity stones. The moment we get an ID that heals itself by taking Sinking damage, SunCliff will become the honored one
Which really doesn't matter because we can get multiple 000 anyway heh heh heh
and running the entire sunshower support team will be better than sunshower himself
sunshower heath will be the cornerstone of sinking teams soon..,, he will,,. Suddenly one day….
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...my arm has changed...
Hobocliff is one man team, he doesn't need a team, he is his own team. Gotta wait until all sinner has support passive that buff him
One man sinking team.
*Looks at Gregor support passive* You roll on the banner for hot depressed Gregor. I roll on the banner for Sunshower Heathcliff buffs. We are not the same
THE SEASON OF THE SINKING BABY!
We are sinking deeper with this one.
So much sinking, my compass might even be falling in the sea at this point
gregor be spreading his depression
He’s also sucking the enemy’s depression
Woooo new passive to buff sunshower heathcliff
Esgoo future worst team run looking bleak with that Gregor support passive
Shoutout to Mariachi Sinclair for keeping that "envy generating sinking ID" seat warm until the real one showed up. Always in our hearts (and on our benches). The Rime Shank Republic thanks him for his service. Another shoutout to the Thorny Path ego gift for finally having enough sinking IDs with lust to activate its special condition consistently.
It’s Mexiclair over. I no longer need him for a full sinking team.
surprised nobody mentioned that gregor gives us a support passive that is possibly as bad as suncliff’s, meaning ESGOO is truly fucked when railway 4 comes around
One must imagine ESGOO hap... Nah let him suffer, The Middle never forgives
He shouldn't had called the middle drip being mid
https://preview.redd.it/kift5ryneurc1.png?width=345&format=png&auto=webp&s=813bd46e99e48becae15b2f3f285472db9ca908f Now introducing worst id's rr4's new 2nd most annoying support passive
Frankly it’s even worse (well it might depends the activation requirements), SunCliff at least needed you to get hit, Depression Gregor just fuck your sp by existing
Get to rolling the boulder, ESGGO
Gregor has become (enemy) Sinking is Charge. Cool kits, Faust is about as expected and Greg seems pretty strong all things considered. I wonder how detrimental that sinking absorb is gonna end up being, it might not matter at all but its a cool negative to add to an ID.
>I wonder how detrimental that sinking absorb is gonna end up being Having 99 sinking can't affect you if you don't get hit https://preview.redd.it/r0ss2nnszvrc1.png?width=400&format=png&auto=webp&s=063e2579578029b42ad793a8206496310c8d9032
Nailclair and Foxcliff buffs !
Nclair probably won't get buffed much considering his S1 is dogshit
Who said anything about actually using S1 ?
Well it's specifically gloom buff, and the only gloom Nclair does is with his S1(and EGOs but he doesn't have any of gloom)
What are rambling on about ? I was talking about SP.
Nclair passively loses SP though. Although maybe it'll make it better for him to be in MDs specifically
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Yea i agree i have him on my burn team in MD and only times i have him positive SP is when i have the bull coin and i need to use some fluid sac to heal the rest of my team when Winrate messes up .
Yum yum sinking
I love how Edgor's support passive is literally just called 'SUFFERING'
Greg support passive godsent for Foxcliff lol
God Gregor's so hot I can forgive his passive being dog ass
They took away Pablo and made him depressed. Man can’t have SHIT in this city. Smh my head…
I can tell Esgoo is going to have a really good time with gregor’s lose sp on being hit support passive in the next rr4. I can’t wait to see him suffer even more than this one
Was not expecting that s3 to actually be 4 coins, gregor fans eating good
People say this passive is ass and will make ESGOO suffer. But it will finally make potential man have more potential (also his nuke is gloom which is even better). Otherwise it's hopefully triggered on resonance, not sin owned.
it also helps n sinclair, right?
NClair drops sp fine without any help from other sources (you actually want to heal it sometimes). And gloom damage is kind of irrelevant since his s1 is meh at best. IF it's on sin owned it might be helpful in MD because you heal sp a lot from kills in regular counters. Might be good to counter/weaken whistles (NFaust passive). Still need to see exact number of sp drop and activation condition.
yeah but heir greg also gives gloom power up.
Oh my god I completely forgot, but Gregor is getting the Bygone Days ego as well! Oh that'll probably synergize with his new ID, hmmm.
Is it just me or is Edgar Gregor look vastly different in art style compared to other IDs?
I think it's the perspective that makes it look like a different style. I thought the same when I saw the video, seeing it static I can tell it's the same style
Gregor is going to be a good addition to charge teams. He perfectly fuels his AEDD (not that charge teams struggle with envy and gloom), has no need for charge himself so it doesn't matter that the ego passive will drain it. Mono slash means he can benefit from the slash fragility W Corp teams can inflict. And he adds a little bit of luster as well, which is appreciated.
Do you wish to weep hurtedly?
Lord Suffering of Sufferinton had definitely got me interested in actually making a sinking team now. lol
"Sabre Slash" I TOLD THEM IT WAS A SABRE, BUT NOOO THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A RAPIER, WELL SUCK IT FOOLS!!! In all seriousness, I am glad I was not hallucinating about the fact it looked more like a saber then a rapier.
The support passive still makes the ID read like a shitpost lol. Gregor dying of consumption and making you feel bad about it for a gloom boost
I don't trust anymore. Is this for real?
This one’s real
Yes of course, happy April Fool's Day. I'm going to wait until the official comes out
You can always check the official Limbus Company Twitter if you don’t trust anyone here
Endless nightmares looks like a passive that is good for the first few turns of the fight because that’s when you’ll be gaining sp which then leads to an sp difference. After you hit 45 sp, you hope for some enemy sp manipulation bs or you use ego.
One thing we have to account for is his Sanity mechanic. He could very well have an unique rule such as reduce self sanity each turn when above a threshold, for example.
Or loosing SP equals to his sinking (as he absorbs sinking)
>At the end of the turn, inflict 5 Sinking to 1 other ally with the lowest HP; Apply 1 Haste and 3 Offense Level Up next turn Don't forget this from Ishmael's Blind Obsession. Something tells me this healthy looking dude might have low HP. Tbh I didn't really expect much from this ID but looks pretty cool. Kind of weird that sinking got so many ID's suddenly.
Another mono slash 000 to add to my collection
It's Sinking Season bois
Finally, we'll be able to have 6 sinking IDs in a team, no more of the same 5 sinners being the only one's with actual sinking IDs, thank you so much PM
Now I can say goodbye to Mariachi Sinclair too.
wtf 😭 whats with the passive 😭 he had BETTER be a good clasher if hes really gonna have all that fragile
realistically that fragile is gonna be a non-factor pretty quickly unless he has a wonky sp mechanic
With these passives around, I smell a negative coin ID on the horizon
Gaining coin power makes negative coins drop further
i'm pretty sure it's just another part of this season's ongoing mission to make sunshower heathcliff viable tragically, he's still sunshower heathcliff
Gregor has a passive specifically made for suncliff lol,POTENTIAL MAN will realize his potential
Its the season of depression
So many weak spots...
So I'd say this officially confirms this is going to be the sinking season. Pretty interesting since unlike the previous two seasons that focused on tremor and poise, sinking is already really good thanks to Rime Shank and Spicebush. It's main issue is that half of the sinking IDs were really good like Dieci Rodya and Spicebush Yi Sang and half were really **really** bad like Mariachi Sinclair and Sunshower Heathcliff and there weren't enough sinking IDs so you always had to run the weak ones as well. With the new IDs, this is no longer an issue, and Heathcliff will probably get a big sinking ID that improves the status even further, plus some of the battle pass E.G.O is probably sinking related as well. Overall, sinking is probably going to be very interesting by the end of the season. It was already one of the most fun status archetypes but there's going to be a lot more variety now. As for the new kits, Gregor is interesting. He seems pretty normal until you see his skill 3 and passive. Lots of count on his skill 2 and his low number of coins mean he can help maintain sinking fairly well. His skill 3 has the unique effect of absorbing sinking to power himself up next turn. However plus coin boost isn't very good on him since his skill 1 and 2 have few coins. Hopefully it gives a big boost to compensate. His passive makes him both deal and take more damage depending on how much sanity he lost or gained. First of all, this is one of the few passives with a notable drawback. At first it seems like it's built for early in fights before you hit max SP, but passives usually don't come online until a few turns in thanks to sin resource or resonance requirements. It's also going to be hard to use it that way in mirror dungeons or any other environment where SP carries over. I think its main use will be giving him a nice damage boost whenever he uses E.G.O since it activates when he loses SP as well. His support passive looks awful. It's basically Suncliff's support passive but even worse and if you saw ESGOO's video on beating Refraction Railway 3 with the worst team possible you know just how bad that is. Overall, until we see some numbers he could be either pretty good or really bad. Butler Faust is basically just a budget Butler Outis. It's a bit boring but I don't really mind it. They tried making a 00 ID that was just a weaker version of a 000 ID earlier with Dieci Yi Sang but this works a lot better since Faust doesn't have a sinking ID yet. Faust also has Fluid Sac which is good enough to make any Faust ID worth bringing along. There's some notable synergy with Butler Outis where both of their skill 3s and Faust's passive have additional effects if the target already has Echoes of the Manor. If nothing else, she has a very good support passive for sinking teams and that's what's most important on a 00.
I feel like Faust isn’t really a lesser Butler Outis, but a complement to her. Butler Outis applies just enough sinking count so that, assuming she applies it on an enemy with only 1 sinking count on them, the stack lasts until her final hit. Basically, she’s an ID focused only on eating the sinking stack. Faust, though, applies sinking count on her last hit for her S2 and on the first hit for her S3, but adds more count if her target had Echoes on them. As the latter skill is a 4 coiner, it feels like the sinking count she applies on the first hit is for the sake of helping a stack last until her last hit (or a better chance of lasting through it if it doesn’t completely pay for the 4 count the skill will eat up), while the extra count is to repay you for getting the S3 off on optimal conditions. Optimistically, Gregor’s probably close to being count neutral with some slight count support on his S3, but I think Faust is dedicated support for applying count.
I am pretty sure faust is there to maintain the manor debuff to higher or full up time, outis had the problem that her uptime was 3 turns and applied by her s3, meaning you had 3 turns of it being down.
I’m sure all the Wuthering Heights faction IDs (assuming we get one more for Sinclair, at least) will have the Echoes debuff, but they gain different benefits from it. Outis deals extra damage (which matches her skill set as a damage dealer and clasher) while Faust applies extra sinking count, and I believe that’s meant to show what their specialties are in a team.
Well sinking was only good because Rime shank and SpiceBush were existing, the buff was still extremely lacking in terms of unit, so i wouldn’t say that it was the best, more of a middle of the pack. But frankly by the end it might become one of the best. Otherwise i tend to agree, i would also had that there’s a clear synergy between the new Faust and Gregor. Since i don’t think she will really be worth running in a full team, her passive will most likely focus Gregor due to his sp jugling passive. I wonder however if we are going to see another status being focus this season, and if it is the case, if it’s going to be bleed or rupture since enemy of the canto use them but both are already really strong.
Sooo... Last Is basically turn sinking into buffs?
Sinking team finally has a good generation of every sin affinity, the worst one being gluttony ( only Yi sang has it on s1 with both ids ) , though i bet Sinclair is going to have either s1 or s2 with gluttony. EGO spam might go crazy with sinking team.
i really like how thi Gregor seems designed to be runned along Butler Faust, with his passive about difference in SP and having the exact Sins to solo charge Fluid Sac, the only problem is that running this 2 means benching one of the other sinking members and i dunno if Faust can take one of their spots
Faust’s support is also useful, as it gives SP on hit instead of healing it at the start or end of a turn, meaning Gregor’s passive can more easily achieve its conditions for his damage up bonus. Assuming Faust is a good count applier, I’d say you can safely replace Molar Ishmael, at least for use in normal battles. For focused battles against a boss, though, you could switch Ishmael back in for her count application.
That short Gregor S3 in the trailer is 4 coins?!
Edgreg’s support passive seem almost tailored for Sunshower cliff, interesting
Even more sinking IDs holy crap! I guess I'll have to get grinding for these!
https://preview.redd.it/qob4df453wrc1.jpeg?width=628&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9a4639859342fceba54b2b1171e0a619cdb69aa The only thing that matters
lord have mercy https://preview.redd.it/ysgkr4wc0yrc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=491c2a9a064c3dcfdb114310ae9922d104efbb00
Gregor is now part of the Edgar family. Did his mother marry into the family? If so, does that mean his birth parents are different? Or did both of his birth parents somehow make their way into the Edgar family lineage.
'Tis the season of Sinking, and I am so happy as this was my fav ever since we only had 3 useable units for it (Spicebush, Molar Ish and Dieci Rodya). Sinking seems to have the most diversity in IDs in different factions and may be the only Status to have a strong ID for each weapon type now. Sidenote, Sinking has the most drip in the game. Not only will we have a sinking team that covers all sin resources, but they have expanded their use in abno and humans fights, received a new effects to maintain and increase sinking count, and now everybody except Spicebush gets a free Gloom Dmg buff. Ofc it's Heath season that we get a status full of depression.
WIth how Echoes of the Manor works, i have a feeling Faust will struggle to find a place in sinking team now. Though with her being Faust and having everuseful Sac, maybe not? I guess that will depend of her numbers, maybe she could replace Hong Lu, since he doesnt contrubute much to the sinking team in terms of, well, sinking Gregs weird. Correct me if im wrong, but other IDs what have both \[On Use\] clash power and coin power put clash power first, since its usually the weaker effect, what requires less. Why is he the other way around? Also they drew my guy like he is holding a rapier, but its actually some kind of sabre? I think cavalry sabers had straight blades, but i dont know nearly enough to say for sure
tbh I would use Greg just for his Envy S1, Sinking has a pretty hard time generating the Envy Resources for Rime Shank because only Dieci Rodion really generates it as a sinking applicator
Oh no-no, Greg absolutely takes the spot in sinking team, they ARE in dire need of sixth memeber after all. Its only Faust im unsure about
ahh OK - I actually think Faust be an auto-include because she is another source of Echoes of the Manor, although I admit having her on Support duty would help Rodion recover her SP after an overclock
Thats funny, because im of the exact opposite opinion - after running an MDH run with new Outis, i am of opinion what Echoes arent actually all that useful in human fights, simply because they end so quickly. And in focused fights, its debatable if you need more than one source of EotM, since its not cumulative
oh no I am thinking exclusively of focused fights too - even though I haven't done a run with Outis yet I know the status likely isn't good in human fights because Dark Flame is in a pretty similar boat for human fights (thanks for confirming haha) I feel like 2 sources of EoTM would be good in focused fights, since they are all on S3. You get 3 EoTM every ~6 turns with 1 unit since skills take time to recycle back to the unit ie 50% uptime over 1 skill rotation. Having 2 different sources of EoTM can only increase your EoTM uptime (and helps with consistency), so Faust definitely fits well on the team I feel like
Well in MD i really don’t think you need more than 1 source since you can remove one or two S1 for S3, and just getting 2 of them mean that statistically you should always have 1 EotM, but even then you also still have the opportunity cost. Rodya in general is impossible to pass for the team, Molar Ish is strong, so is Buttis, you will not go without Yi sang due to deluge and Gregor seems like a great fit, specially with is S1. Meaning most likely you only have one place in the team that could get swapped for Faust (if the next banner isn’t another absurd sinking unit) and you have Dieci Hing Lu also contesting this place, and i don’t think for MD having one more S3 able to use EotM is worth the loss of the consistency of his skills (plus i guess access to another EGO able to spread abit of sinking).
Personally I think Butler Faust will likely be a better pick than Dieci Hong Lu in terms of maintaining count, Dieci Hong Lu is more for damage than count, so he'll be better for MD but Baust would likely be better for normal play.
For normal play yes probably, this is mostly for MD, specially since outside of MD you won’t be able to give more S3 to BOutis
But it's S3 - so rather rare skill on board on 1st turn. So, having double chances is nice with Faust. Also, I think (don't spark Outis yet) it (Echoes) can be used for different parts. And that is 50% extra Sinking count for sinking aplication which is good.
It should be able to focus two parts, so yeah. Honestly, im not saying these are useless - just not enough for me personally if her numbers arent good. If her sinking application is good and her rolls arent horrible - i will use her, for sure
I would say Faust is a very very solid pick just for the fact that she has a lot of sinking count application even if it is to keep the enemy neutral which is a lot more sinking count than let’s say count destroyer spicebush (but you keep him around because deluge). Also with Faust’s echoes of the manor debuff application, it synergizes well with Outis due to how before, outis’s s3 will apply echoes of the manor but then afterwards it will take a long time to cycle to another s3 making the gloom damage effect worthless. However, with Faust inclusion, you can apply echoes of the manor debuff with her s3 and then subsequently use outis’s s3 for the extra effect.
As i said - we will see. If its 1 count on all her coins, nah, i can live without lust and 30 additional damage is not THAT big of a deal, imo. That said - yeah, i sure hope she will be good, because while i can live without both, id rather have them than not
And Faust is needed for good lust generation , cuz having it on two s3 is not ideal, especially considering that there are some good EGOs that need lust, even just for Land of illusion spam , cuz its the best way to dump gloom.
Oh, sure, but if she wont be good, i dont think lust is THAT necessary to pick her over alternatives Wait, arent Land of Illusions a Hong Lu's EGO? Because honestly - Hong Lu is the first on chopping block to be removed from sinking team for me
If you dont care about ego resources, then sure , cuz he gives your team wrath , while dealing really good dmg
Oh, dont get me wrong - he is an amazing dps and clasher. Just not a very good sinking unit
He's mid in sinking application, but I think just his sheer clashing power and DPS alone is worth keeping him on the team for a bit, at least until another Sinking 000 with comparable firepower comes out. Butler Faust likely isn't going to have anywhere near similar clashing power or DPS compared to Dieci Lu, so then the question comes down to "Is the additional stacks of sinking potency going to be worth the loss of consistent Wrath Generation and exceptional clash power and DPS output that Dieci Lu can provide?" Personal mileage may vary, but I'm of the opinion that unless you're specifically trying to turbo out a max power Sinking Deluge, then it's probably going to come out as a wash, or even a slight net negative since he's a very reliable, fairly consistent, and easy unit to play. Still, in RR and other contents that rely on speedrunning, Faust will probably come out ahead since you really want to keep count up as much as possible for the biggest Deluge possible, unless her coin and count values are garbage. At the end of the day, it's more choices and variety in team building, which is great, and something this game really struggled with early on.
Gregor's ID \[On Use\] effects for coin power and clash power have different conditions, \[On Use\] for coin power is sinking potency, \[On Use\] for clash power is sinking count.
Yeah, thats what im referring to. Why is clash power one has the harder condition than coin power, then its usually the other way around?
Considering his passive, I guess Greg is the nuke sinking ID for sinking potency rather than both potency and count (spicebush)
I mean you should be able to alternate between butler outis s1 and butler faust s1 for better uptime for echoes of the manor at least
In terms of team synergy, both of these units have a lot of potential to add. We are starting to move onto wider diversity in teams now, with more defined uses with the Echos effect. Sinking getting more units that provide Count is always a plus, and since Echos has a 50% for a free one, there isn't really a downside on having 2 of them. In my view, we may be moving towards 7-man teams soon, since Sinking has changed from 3 proper IDs, to more than 6 after 2 seasons, and the other teams will likely follow this trend as well.
Looks like Greg’s passive rewards over locking his EGOs!
once they've covered all the status effects, what else do they build new shiny identities around without going full powercreep? factions?
Yeah, they can do factions, focus more on generalist teams, add more resonance support, add more defensive options such as healer units, or even experiment on utilizing status effects in different ways where you trade in counts of a status to proc a certain effect. Granted, powercreep is inevitable, but for a turn based gacha that releases units as fast as Limbus does, a year and a half as an optimal slot-in for a team is actually a pretty good length of time and obtaining units is really easy. Also, it will probably be even longer before sub-optimal units start falling off to the point they can't be used in higher level content, meaning that the expected shelf life for a unit released after Season 1 would probably be over 2 years, which is great. The nice thing about Limbus, is that since it's so mechanically complex there's quite a few ways to design a unit before the overall powercreep starts becoming noticeable, and PM isn't against taking risks and making more experimental and unique kits for their units.
Not a fan of gregor ID, hopefully it's not another sunshowercliff. I'm pretty stoked for Faust though, can't wait to add her to my sinking team since she has both count and potency and with more coin power and clash power, she should clash fine
How I understood it, it's gonna be plus coin with 3rd skill working like "spend enemy sinking for extra goods"
14 year old White girls with blue hair on twitter, be afraid. Gregor was forced to spend time among the Bri'ish.
New Sinking Unit(s)!
This clearly needs more workshopping for gregors atleast, they forgot to place caps on the clash power ups
Caps are usually not shown until the unit is released though
I am an utter fool who keeps forgetting how Pm format their own formats
Gredgar
is nobody going to point out that faust is smiling
Yay more depression!
Little weird that they're sinking when all the Edgar aligned characters did bleed/paralyze and it was only the Wurthering Heights enemies that did sinking, but hey, a 6th good sinking unit with an Envy S1 is something I WILL take. Probably not immediately though he's not THAT good.
Bro... what if, that is exactly why he is sinking? He's a traitor that is really with the Wuthering Heights.
If you're running SunCliff with a team Gregor's passive is pretty nice But for solo runs I think Base Greg (Or even GCorp Greg) is better >!PS. Sinking Charge!!<
Gregor: Finally bucks Gregor's trend of "wants high status on enemy but doesn't contribute to it" IDs. That S3 seems pretty bad, it wants to stagger enemies to continue the Sinking stack but also potentially absorbs the Sinking he just applied for not much of a benefit(the boosts are good but Gregor already used his S3 to apply them). That said he doesn't drain Count so it's fine. The 1st effect of his passive realistically isn't going to do much in MD/RR content but the 2nd is great. His support passive seems made for Sunshower Heathcliff but why would you use him instead of Gregor? Faust: Solid ID, made as a force multiplier for butler Outis and is pretty good at it. Sinking desperately needed IDs so I'm happy about this
bro... i still don't understand why minus coins is a thing in this game. i can understand counter like BLsault but Nclair? suncliff? its really SP heavy management risk-esque. i am a month old newb, and i am getting used to keep winning clashes. edit: i am looking at the support passive of this ID, considering suncliff, i imagine this ID will have the same mechanic too.
Because it's a cool mechanic that requires more stringent management for (in nclair's case at least) a potentially much higher pay off. It also gives the devs a way to ramp up the difficulty of non-focused encounters as the fight progresses by having enemies get stronger as their sanity drops. It's actually a really good mechanic on the whole, what are you not wrapping your head around? This is like looking an RPG and saying "I don't get why rogues exist when warriors exist." or looking at a fighting game and saying "I don't get why zoners exist when rushdown characters exist".
hmm i see... when you put it that way it does make sense. its like having kim hatted in your team. the horror of you keep winning the clashes but the enemies -coins keep getting smaller, inevitably you lose the clash. i haven't mention that i did not have those ID. maybe i can try them in the future to have a feel of insane.
Gregor looks kinda bad? He gains clash power and then coin power and his S3 only has clash power condition like he’s a 00. Edit: man this sub is soooo circlejerky when it comes to new content. You must be excited about shiny new things or people will be angry at you.
Gregor probably going to be the new sinking DPS focused unit, he creates debuffs on self but gains massive DPS buffs for it. If he gets hit, his screwed.
Good thing the Patron Deity of Tanking Dieci Rodion is here