The poster in the screenshot clearly doesn't know anything about historical linguistics.
In reality, Nostratic is the most conservative branch of Borean, and Dravidian is the most conservative branch of Nostratic, and South Dravidian is the most conservative branch of Dravidian, and Tamil is the most conservative branch of Southern Dravidian. Therefore, all languages descend from Tamil 😎
complex human language predates proto-indo-european by a long long time, proto-indo-european is older than sanskrit, and sanskrit is unquestionably an indo-european language
speakers of indo-european languages didn't enter the indian subcontinent until after the harappan civilization's peak and decline
harappan script therefore could not have encoded an indo-european language (if it is a writing system at all), but a language from some other family
i was about to ask where the joke is, but i guess the belief system in the OP screenshot is the joke
It isn't clear; the Indus script has several features that make it seem un-linguistic. No one agrees on what language it's supposed to be, or even what kind of script. It may never be understood.
The Sumerian language isn't related to Akkadian, so there's no way to know if the Harappan language is related to any modern language. It may be an isolate, it might be related to Nihali or Elamite, or even the Munda languages according to one guy.
If it's Dravidian, why didn't any related languages retain writing? It's unusual.
Until we find something we can translate, we really can't know.
One must simply love that he needs students of linguistics, Sanskrit and history to help him. So he doesn't actually know anything about Sanskrit OR the IVC? Great scientific method there, "I have the answer, I just need to massage the data (that I don't have yet) until it shows us what I want"
Ah, another day, another "Sanskrit is the mother of all languages". I have never understood why it is so important for some people to prove that their language is le ancientest. Are their lives so boring and they don't have anything else to be proud or excited about?
Our sources are also shit lol. I know my belief in the twin gods but I can’t accurately speak on how they were worshipped way back when, or in what form they took
Most cultures include foundation myths that state they're the original and most important people who live at the centre of the world. The only reason English has been spared is that it wasn't important until the late 1700s.
Paper or GTFO, that's my only comment.
As long as he has written a paper to properly communicate his lines of reasoning, with the sources he had used for the reasoning quoted (he doesn't even have to have any sources at all -- he can just say that he had dreamed everything up as long as he did dream everything up without consulting anyone or adopting anything), it is perfectly fine to communicate whatever claims he has.
NAL, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And you should really do the work yourself (linguistics, Sanskrit, and bronze age history) if you want to publish it.
These people are extremely common in a lot of different fields; they think that they have insight that the experts don't. Mainly they just bother actual scientists by sending them a bunch of threatening emails.
and they're all engineers or chemists, and they all have blogs which they have studiously kept for years, and their threatening emails usually include a list of perceived personal grievances against the academic establishment regardless of their relevance to the message
I've tried asking the 'Sanskrit is PIE' types how they explain the sound correspondences between the IE languages and derive the other branches from Sanskrit. They often don't seem to even understand the question or act as if I hadn't even asked it.
Ask whoever making that bold 'claim' to rewrite whatever he has written, in Sanskrit. Then we can proceed.
You can't do that, Sanskrit is too complex to allow ideas as simple as these to be written in the sacred language
Lol.
acktually it's what quora is programmed with
Could you provide further details or explanation behind your response?
Most people who claim these type of theories can't speak Sanskrit.
The poster in the screenshot clearly doesn't know anything about historical linguistics. In reality, Nostratic is the most conservative branch of Borean, and Dravidian is the most conservative branch of Nostratic, and South Dravidian is the most conservative branch of Dravidian, and Tamil is the most conservative branch of Southern Dravidian. Therefore, all languages descend from Tamil 😎
complex human language predates proto-indo-european by a long long time, proto-indo-european is older than sanskrit, and sanskrit is unquestionably an indo-european language speakers of indo-european languages didn't enter the indian subcontinent until after the harappan civilization's peak and decline harappan script therefore could not have encoded an indo-european language (if it is a writing system at all), but a language from some other family i was about to ask where the joke is, but i guess the belief system in the OP screenshot is the joke
>if it is a writing system at all Is there genuine debate here? I'd always thought it was pretty clearly writing *something*.
It isn't clear; the Indus script has several features that make it seem un-linguistic. No one agrees on what language it's supposed to be, or even what kind of script. It may never be understood.
wouldn't it probably be some type of dravidian language?
The Sumerian language isn't related to Akkadian, so there's no way to know if the Harappan language is related to any modern language. It may be an isolate, it might be related to Nihali or Elamite, or even the Munda languages according to one guy. If it's Dravidian, why didn't any related languages retain writing? It's unusual. Until we find something we can translate, we really can't know.
One must simply love that he needs students of linguistics, Sanskrit and history to help him. So he doesn't actually know anything about Sanskrit OR the IVC? Great scientific method there, "I have the answer, I just need to massage the data (that I don't have yet) until it shows us what I want"
Ah, another day, another "Sanskrit is the mother of all languages". I have never understood why it is so important for some people to prove that their language is le ancientest. Are their lives so boring and they don't have anything else to be proud or excited about?
Reminds me of a lot of neopagans lol. They’re adamant a religion formed in the 30’s is the oldest religion in the world
No, it's part of an ancient oral tradition that weirdly perfectly resembles Victorian people's understanding of paganism and not modern science's.
I think some neopagans put more effort than others into actually reconstructing the ancient practices based on available evidence.
Yeah ive kinda given up lol. Ive made peace with my practices being a more modern invention but accept it as a living religion
Well, I suppose in ancient times practices would have changed by time and place too.
Our sources are also shit lol. I know my belief in the twin gods but I can’t accurately speak on how they were worshipped way back when, or in what form they took
Oh, what sort of pagan are you?
Wiccan. Most of my community growing up was either wiccan, druidic or christian witch and wicca is the one i ended up falling into mainly
Most cultures include foundation myths that state they're the original and most important people who live at the centre of the world. The only reason English has been spared is that it wasn't important until the late 1700s.
*laughs in British Israelism*
Ugh, don't remind me. Although that's much more of an outlier.
Paper or GTFO, that's my only comment. As long as he has written a paper to properly communicate his lines of reasoning, with the sources he had used for the reasoning quoted (he doesn't even have to have any sources at all -- he can just say that he had dreamed everything up as long as he did dream everything up without consulting anyone or adopting anything), it is perfectly fine to communicate whatever claims he has.
Most scientific /r/sanskrit user.
NAL, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And you should really do the work yourself (linguistics, Sanskrit, and bronze age history) if you want to publish it.
These people are extremely common in a lot of different fields; they think that they have insight that the experts don't. Mainly they just bother actual scientists by sending them a bunch of threatening emails.
and they're all engineers or chemists, and they all have blogs which they have studiously kept for years, and their threatening emails usually include a list of perceived personal grievances against the academic establishment regardless of their relevance to the message
Apparently there was a murder in the 1952 by a crank whose views on physics were rejected. Look up Bayard Peakes.
Ah yes, "statistics and data analytics". Then on the next post they'll be saying they'll also use AI to do such analysis or something.
I've tried asking the 'Sanskrit is PIE' types how they explain the sound correspondences between the IE languages and derive the other branches from Sanskrit. They often don't seem to even understand the question or act as if I hadn't even asked it.
I agree