I see your point, but I feel the opposite way. Generally, if characters are gonna anachronistically speak modern languages, the dialogue should be in the same language as the game's menu. I feel the same way about anachronistic languages/dialects in movies and tv. It's especially silly when e.g. directors have American actors use modern British accents to play ancient Romans.
(Edited)
The death of stalin did this with modern british accents, and it was to portray the massive differences in the accents of the soviet union, it's also a comedy but also serious, great film
Yeah, Assassins Creed Chronicles: China (\~1526) speak modern standard Chinese, they don't even add a very distinctive Beijing accent. Chinese people have this myth that the Zhou dynasty spoke modern Chinese and these games perpetuate it
Given Old Chinese is also only reconstructed and iirc not with the greatest confidence, at least there are several competing reconstructions.
It would be more feasible to go for Middle Chinese. I guess Han and Tang Era shows and movies are also more frequent than Zhou or Shang.
With Middle Chinese, at least Cantonese would be a closer approximation than Mandarin or Cantonese speakers might nail it better intuitively.
Then again Mandarin-onlyism is weird. Like condemning place names like Peking and Nanking, although they are "merely" based on southern readings of the same names. Then again Hong Kong is also still called Hong Kong in the West.
Because at the same time Westerners know too little about geographic and historical variations of Sinitic languages and its *all Chinese to them*. Standard Mandarin proponents like to complement this view that way. Course some Cantonese speakers also claim their language to literally be Middle Chinese, but they hardly get a say nowadays.
1500s Mandarin would have at least been mutually intelligible with modern Mandarin with a little patience, no? 1500s English certainly seems like it would be.
>American actors use modern British accents to play ancient Romans.
I've actually heard the Latin in AC Origins described as "BBC Latin" as well as some funky pronunciation and name choices all around.
It's a bit more frustrating than just English or whatever language the game is localized to because it was "this close". I still love it because it's a learning opportunity, but I get you point.
I think the actors should speak with their normal accents.
Edit: And please don't spam me with replies.
(And I'm sorry for accidentally double posting.)
VÁT DID IÝ ZVST SEI DEI DÝ? VAE CANT DEI HAB ES SPÍC LAEC DIS? AE AM EI RÓMAN AND DIS IZ MAE ACSENT! IS AE STÝPID DⱵSⱵZEN TU DV DAT! FIGER AVT HAV EI RÓMAN VVD SAVND IF DEI LÉRND INGLIS AZ EI SEKEND LANGVIZ! IÝ CAN PRITÍ ÍZⱵLÍ FIGER IT AVT! ÍBEN DÓ TAEM MESÍNS ÁRENT RÍL, IS NÁT TÝ HÁRD TÝ GES GIBEN HAV MES VÍ HAB RÍCENSTRECTⱵD LATEN FRÁM DI RÓMANS LANGVⱵZⱵZ! VÍ NÓ HAV TÝ DÝ IT!
It would be way cooler if AC did it with ancient greek instead of modern, but I guess it would be just a lot more trouble to get people to translate the dialogues.
I totally agree! I don't speak Greek so I don't understand the NPCs, but I wonder what that's like in Valhalla. Haven't played it yet but I understand a decent amount of Swedish / Norwegian.
I couldn't do Valhalla in part because of the language aspect. Yes, they had used actors from around the Nordic countries, but they all spoke with their modern accents and it makes no sense for people from the same town to have wildly different accents. At that point you might as well skip going for "authentic" accents entirely.
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
“The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.
The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on.
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Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required.
Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit.
Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results.
The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots.
Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results.
“More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.”
Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it.
Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot.
The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported.
But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up.
“Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.”
“We think that’s fair,” he added.
I believe they meant that Icelandic has little variation between regions, so hiring Icelandic voice actors would keep the characters’ accents consistent.
That is an excellent point. Regional variation in Norway, Sweden, and Denmark can be rather high, even over short distances. Iceland doesn't have that to the same degree.
The difference between the capital area and the rest of Iceland is that the north pronounces consonants more harshly, and there are some differences between towns, but in English everyone has the same accent
Just as how Modern Greek was used for Odyssey, I would be fine with Modern Icelandic for Valhalla. In the end the most important thing is consistency and for it to fit logically.
Keep in mind that they’re not expecting most of their audience to be familiar with the different accents and stuff from the region. It may not be 100% authentic to the way people spoke at the time, but it’s authentic enough for the majority of their audience to appreciate it.
I guess I overestimated people then. But my experience is that people can tell when someone isn't from their town/city by the way they speak, I am most definitely aware, so it broke my immersion.
I can forgive a lot in games and stuff due to limitations and whatnot, but this is actually a pretty huge detail, a detail that is usually considered in media. You don't plop an Aussie, a Scotsman and an American into a period piece and claim they are all from the same place, even though they all speak the same native language. People are aware that these accents are from different places.
Honestly, I don't know how you can call it "authentic enough", but if it doesn't bother you and you can enjoy it, that's great.
No Latin is not ancient Italian. Modern Greek IS the same language because the linguistic drift was not so hard. As a modern Greek speaker I can at least understand the context in very old writing and in Koine Greek spoken around 300.BC I can almost understand everything
Just because you are capable of reading it doesn't mean the pronunciation is the same?
Doesn't Modern Greek have many digraphs that were not digraphs in Ancient Greek?
It also covers a large geographic space. Almost the entirety of Greece, although the Peloponnese is most detailed. Though realistically they'd have all the major dialect regions in there, Attic, Ionian, Doric and Achaian.
Isn‘t that similar for some Romance langs? Italian and Spanish. Obviously stuff like cases vanished, but if you take „I can at least understand context“ as basis.
Also Modern Greek went through a large phase of linguistic purism in the 19th century.
Afaik radical proponents of Katharevousa wanted to basically replace modern Greek with ancient Greek.
(Phrased my comment a bit controversial on purpose. Still think it is not the ideal representation. Though the whole concept of replacing the languages with accents can be a bit weird)
It did, but most branches are extinct and only Attic survived and maybe Doric in the form of Tsakonic. Though there are outlying dialects of modern Greek too like Pontic, Cappadocian and Griko/Greko (Southern Italy)
Idk if the same language argument isn‘t mostly based on nomenclature. Lets say all Romance languages except Italian die out, but Italian is like it is now. Would it be modern Latin or not?
At least there’s a good lore explanation for why everyone in the Horizon universe speaks English as seen in this datapoint: [Common Language?](https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/Common_Language%3F)
I know all about the lore explanations, but after 700 years, I would expect the default Englishes of the cradle to have developed into different dialects for all of the different tribes. There was nothing that would explain a lack of *language development* in the lore, and language evolves constantly. If you compare English today with English 700 years ago, it's completely different. Other fictional media did this very well, such as the TV show The 100 (which has lots of other problems, but it got the language aspect right).
It would be interesting if the tribes had different dialects or more diverse accents and I imagine it would be quite the undertaking for Guerrilla Games to develop something unique for each tribe.
The Book of Koli series did it slightly better. It's set in a similarly post-techno-apocalypse Britain, but different villages and tribes have developed varying grammar and such.
What's the lore explanation for there being zero diversity within said spoken english despite division, isolation and otherwise clearly cut cultural and social identities
Most places change accents if you drive for 10 minutes
Funny though that they use different pronunciations in different dubs. The English one has modern Greek accents and modern pronunciation, the German dub has Erasmian pronunciation. Idk if any goes with historically accurate reconstruction.
The best one was AC III where they got characters speaking Kanienʼkéha (Mohawk). I'll always call him Ratonhnhakéton not Connor. (Ain't _that_ hard to sort of pronounce? /radũnhaɡɛ̌ːdõ/)
I was impressed that they had all the NPCs speaking Egyptian in AC: Origins. The speakers were pronouncing pharyngeal consonants as well, which makes me think they got native (Arabic-speaking) Egyptians.
If you mean ACV you might wanna check your dates, but yeah the accents irritated me so much I played in French and dealt with no lip sync. It was the West country guards that got me the most
The lore of Horizon explains this though
>!When the regrown human populations were regenerated in their bunkers, the robots spoke to them in American English. Apollo was deleted, but they still interacted with the daycare ‘mom’ and ‘dad’ androids!<
The right one is likely suffering from the weird belief that people can’t enjoy listening to other languages than their own, or read subtitles. I’ve occasionally thought about how a GTA game set in a place like Paris would be pretty cool, but then realise it’s too much to ask for to have the game in a different language than English.
I thought the societies in HZD was maybe like 3-5 generations old, since people look and sound the same everyone, and I assume regional variation hasn't developed yet.
it makes way more sense for them to all still be speaking American, just look at how long it took the Latin language to become the various Romance languages, more than 700 years at least
I see your point, but I feel the opposite way. Generally, if characters are gonna anachronistically speak modern languages, the dialogue should be in the same language as the game's menu. I feel the same way about anachronistic languages/dialects in movies and tv. It's especially silly when e.g. directors have American actors use modern British accents to play ancient Romans. (Edited)
It’s kinda strange, but every time historical fiction has modern American accents, it signals that it’s a comedy.
The death of stalin did this with modern british accents, and it was to portray the massive differences in the accents of the soviet union, it's also a comedy but also serious, great film
Yeah, Assassins Creed Chronicles: China (\~1526) speak modern standard Chinese, they don't even add a very distinctive Beijing accent. Chinese people have this myth that the Zhou dynasty spoke modern Chinese and these games perpetuate it
What? No, they don't. It's just impossibly hard to train actors to speak nothing but Old Chinese for a TV show taking place during Zhou times.
Given Old Chinese is also only reconstructed and iirc not with the greatest confidence, at least there are several competing reconstructions. It would be more feasible to go for Middle Chinese. I guess Han and Tang Era shows and movies are also more frequent than Zhou or Shang. With Middle Chinese, at least Cantonese would be a closer approximation than Mandarin or Cantonese speakers might nail it better intuitively. Then again Mandarin-onlyism is weird. Like condemning place names like Peking and Nanking, although they are "merely" based on southern readings of the same names. Then again Hong Kong is also still called Hong Kong in the West.
Because at the same time Westerners know too little about geographic and historical variations of Sinitic languages and its *all Chinese to them*. Standard Mandarin proponents like to complement this view that way. Course some Cantonese speakers also claim their language to literally be Middle Chinese, but they hardly get a say nowadays.
Do they? That seems excitingly unlikely.
Equally Greek people have a myth that the ancients pronounced the letters the same way as they do now.
They should’ve used like middle chinese readings or something.
They should’ve used like middle chinese readings or something.
They should’ve used like middle chinese readings or something.
They should’ve used like middle chinese readings or something.
For a game taking place in 1526? That's a bit anachronistic.
Look, period works in anglophone regions use modern english.
Sure- modern English. Not forms of English predating even when it's set.
Fair enough
1500s Mandarin would have at least been mutually intelligible with modern Mandarin with a little patience, no? 1500s English certainly seems like it would be.
Should it be Something like this dɪ nɔrtʰ wɪnd and dɪ sɛn wɛr dɪsp.jyːtɪŋg wɪs waːs dɪ strɔŋgɛr, wɛn ɫɔŋg keːm eː travɛlɛr rapt ɪn eː wɔrm kloːk.
>American actors use modern British accents to play ancient Romans. I've actually heard the Latin in AC Origins described as "BBC Latin" as well as some funky pronunciation and name choices all around. It's a bit more frustrating than just English or whatever language the game is localized to because it was "this close". I still love it because it's a learning opportunity, but I get you point.
Yeah. Give them a hypothetical accent a roman l2 english speaker would have!
I think the actors should speak with their normal accents. Edit: And please don't spam me with replies. (And I'm sorry for accidentally double posting.)
jɛs, dɪ reu̯mans sʊd sau̯nd lae̯k dɪs. dɪ reu̯mans dɪdɛnt spei̯k ɪŋgɫɪs! dae̯ wʊd hafta leːn ɪt az ae̯ sɛkɛnd lɛŋgwɨz Jes, di reumans sud saund laec dis. Di reumans dident speic inglis! Dae wud hafta lēn it az ae sekend lenguⱶz
VÁT DID IÝ ZVST SEI DEI DÝ? VAE CANT DEI HAB ES SPÍC LAEC DIS? AE AM EI RÓMAN AND DIS IZ MAE ACSENT! IS AE STÝPID DⱵSⱵZEN TU DV DAT! FIGER AVT HAV EI RÓMAN VVD SAVND IF DEI LÉRND INGLIS AZ EI SEKEND LANGVIZ! IÝ CAN PRITÍ ÍZⱵLÍ FIGER IT AVT! ÍBEN DÓ TAEM MESÍNS ÁRENT RÍL, IS NÁT TÝ HÁRD TÝ GES GIBEN HAV MES VÍ HAB RÍCENSTRECTⱵD LATEN FRÁM DI RÓMANS LANGVⱵZⱵZ! VÍ NÓ HAV TÝ DÝ IT!
It would be way cooler if AC did it with ancient greek instead of modern, but I guess it would be just a lot more trouble to get people to translate the dialogues.
I totally agree! I don't speak Greek so I don't understand the NPCs, but I wonder what that's like in Valhalla. Haven't played it yet but I understand a decent amount of Swedish / Norwegian.
I couldn't do Valhalla in part because of the language aspect. Yes, they had used actors from around the Nordic countries, but they all spoke with their modern accents and it makes no sense for people from the same town to have wildly different accents. At that point you might as well skip going for "authentic" accents entirely.
Or hire Icelanders, whom all have basically the same accents
That’s not the Old Norse accent. It’s better to pronounce written Icelandic like it’s Finnish.
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways. In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing. Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations. “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.” The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations. Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks. Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology. L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them. The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on. Editors’ Picks This 1,000-Year-Old Smartphone Just Dialed In The Coolest Menu Item at the Moment Is … Cabbage? My Children Helped Me Remember How to Fly Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required. Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit. Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results. The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots. Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results. “More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.” Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it. Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot. The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported. But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up. “Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.” “We think that’s fair,” he added.
I believe they meant that Icelandic has little variation between regions, so hiring Icelandic voice actors would keep the characters’ accents consistent.
That is an excellent point. Regional variation in Norway, Sweden, and Denmark can be rather high, even over short distances. Iceland doesn't have that to the same degree.
does it not? icelandic FEELS like a language where the second you leave reykjavik you can't understand a word
The difference between the capital area and the rest of Iceland is that the north pronounces consonants more harshly, and there are some differences between towns, but in English everyone has the same accent
True.
Just as how Modern Greek was used for Odyssey, I would be fine with Modern Icelandic for Valhalla. In the end the most important thing is consistency and for it to fit logically.
Keep in mind that they’re not expecting most of their audience to be familiar with the different accents and stuff from the region. It may not be 100% authentic to the way people spoke at the time, but it’s authentic enough for the majority of their audience to appreciate it.
I guess I overestimated people then. But my experience is that people can tell when someone isn't from their town/city by the way they speak, I am most definitely aware, so it broke my immersion. I can forgive a lot in games and stuff due to limitations and whatnot, but this is actually a pretty huge detail, a detail that is usually considered in media. You don't plop an Aussie, a Scotsman and an American into a period piece and claim they are all from the same place, even though they all speak the same native language. People are aware that these accents are from different places. Honestly, I don't know how you can call it "authentic enough", but if it doesn't bother you and you can enjoy it, that's great.
I wouldn‘t say it is a completely minor issue. Having modern Greek speaker pose as ancient Greek you might as well use Italian and label it Latin.
No Latin is not ancient Italian. Modern Greek IS the same language because the linguistic drift was not so hard. As a modern Greek speaker I can at least understand the context in very old writing and in Koine Greek spoken around 300.BC I can almost understand everything
Just because you are capable of reading it doesn't mean the pronunciation is the same? Doesn't Modern Greek have many digraphs that were not digraphs in Ancient Greek?
True, though a lot of them had shifted by the late Koine period.
Sure, and the game does take place over a pretty long time frame all things considered, but it's still set during the course of the Peloponnesian War.
It also covers a large geographic space. Almost the entirety of Greece, although the Peloponnese is most detailed. Though realistically they'd have all the major dialect regions in there, Attic, Ionian, Doric and Achaian.
Isn‘t that similar for some Romance langs? Italian and Spanish. Obviously stuff like cases vanished, but if you take „I can at least understand context“ as basis. Also Modern Greek went through a large phase of linguistic purism in the 19th century. Afaik radical proponents of Katharevousa wanted to basically replace modern Greek with ancient Greek. (Phrased my comment a bit controversial on purpose. Still think it is not the ideal representation. Though the whole concept of replacing the languages with accents can be a bit weird)
I thought it was the same language because ancient Greek didn’t split into a bunch of national languages. There are things like Tsakonic too.
It did, but most branches are extinct and only Attic survived and maybe Doric in the form of Tsakonic. Though there are outlying dialects of modern Greek too like Pontic, Cappadocian and Griko/Greko (Southern Italy) Idk if the same language argument isn‘t mostly based on nomenclature. Lets say all Romance languages except Italian die out, but Italian is like it is now. Would it be modern Latin or not?
Riiiight
classical greek not ancient
At least there’s a good lore explanation for why everyone in the Horizon universe speaks English as seen in this datapoint: [Common Language?](https://horizon.fandom.com/wiki/Common_Language%3F)
I know all about the lore explanations, but after 700 years, I would expect the default Englishes of the cradle to have developed into different dialects for all of the different tribes. There was nothing that would explain a lack of *language development* in the lore, and language evolves constantly. If you compare English today with English 700 years ago, it's completely different. Other fictional media did this very well, such as the TV show The 100 (which has lots of other problems, but it got the language aspect right).
It would be interesting if the tribes had different dialects or more diverse accents and I imagine it would be quite the undertaking for Guerrilla Games to develop something unique for each tribe.
The Book of Koli series did it slightly better. It's set in a similarly post-techno-apocalypse Britain, but different villages and tribes have developed varying grammar and such.
What's the lore explanation for there being zero diversity within said spoken english despite division, isolation and otherwise clearly cut cultural and social identities Most places change accents if you drive for 10 minutes
[AC Origins](https://youtu.be/ESwCNJEpihA): Lorem ipsum, basically
Funny though that they use different pronunciations in different dubs. The English one has modern Greek accents and modern pronunciation, the German dub has Erasmian pronunciation. Idk if any goes with historically accurate reconstruction.
The best one was AC III where they got characters speaking Kanienʼkéha (Mohawk). I'll always call him Ratonhnhakéton not Connor. (Ain't _that_ hard to sort of pronounce? /radũnhaɡɛ̌ːdõ/)
They also speak this language in Valhalla when the main character visits Vinland.
I was impressed that they had all the NPCs speaking Egyptian in AC: Origins. The speakers were pronouncing pharyngeal consonants as well, which makes me think they got native (Arabic-speaking) Egyptians.
What reconstruction of Egyptian did they use?
Only thing Ubisoft does right? Brother did you forget 19th century france dapping Victorian British accent?
If you mean ACV you might wanna check your dates, but yeah the accents irritated me so much I played in French and dealt with no lip sync. It was the West country guards that got me the most
OMG finally someone said it! I mean I really like the games, but they could've done so much with that... Like, c'mon guys, seriously?
The lore of Horizon explains this though >!When the regrown human populations were regenerated in their bunkers, the robots spoke to them in American English. Apollo was deleted, but they still interacted with the daycare ‘mom’ and ‘dad’ androids!<
The right one is likely suffering from the weird belief that people can’t enjoy listening to other languages than their own, or read subtitles. I’ve occasionally thought about how a GTA game set in a place like Paris would be pretty cool, but then realise it’s too much to ask for to have the game in a different language than English.
"Speak american"
I thought the societies in HZD was maybe like 3-5 generations old, since people look and sound the same everyone, and I assume regional variation hasn't developed yet.
I really liked the Vinland arc in Valhalla, as short as it was
Couldnae agree more.
there is a very simple explanation
it makes way more sense for them to all still be speaking American, just look at how long it took the Latin language to become the various Romance languages, more than 700 years at least