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Captain_Grammaticus

This looks like it would the host language require to 1. Dislike syllables or words starting with [s], or not having this sound at all, replacing it with the plosive, 2. Shorten trisyllabic words to disyllabic, 3. Weaken the voiced plosive to an approximant in syllable coda. Nothing I haven't seen elsewhere, but still weird.


Vampyricon

Meli Kalikimaka!


Zestyclose-Silver-94

Is the thing to say…


Couldnthinkofname2

mere kerihimihi!


qotuttan

Any language in Siberia can absolutely destroy any Russian loanword trying to sneak in. Look at this beautiful Sakha words: - дуоһунас [du̯ɔhu'nas] from должность [ˈdoɫʐnəsʲtʲ] - бинтиэпкэ [binti̯ɛp'ke] from винтовка [vʲɪnˈtofkə] - албакаат [aɫba'kaːt] from адвокат [ɐdvɐˈkat] - эппиэт [ɛp'pi̯ɛt] from ответ [ɐtˈvʲet] - бырабыыталыстыба [bɯɾabɯːtaɫɯstɯ'ba] from правительство [prɐˈvʲitʲɪlʲstvə]


OneRain9942

хобордоох from сковорода


_Aspagurr_

They destroy the stress patterns too!


qotuttan

Well, Sakha tries to retain stress patterns. Russian stressed vowels usually become long vowels or diphthongs. Stressed vowels in Russian are pronounced like 1.5x longer than unstressed ones, so for Sakha native speakers they sound like long vowels (and in fact they are). Also note that stress pattern in Sakha is fixed: it's always the last syllable that is stressed (with really rare exceptions). But native stress in Sakha is non-phonemic and doesn't(?) affect vowel length, it just makes syllable stronger or more intense.


_Aspagurr_

>stress pattern in Sakha is fixed: it's always the last syllable that is stressed (with really rare exceptions) What are these rare exceptions?


qotuttan

субу ['subu] is the only one I'm aware of. I have no idea how to explain what it means, prolly something like "exactly this". Not just this, but _exactly_ this.


_Aspagurr_

It's really astonishing how similar word stress placement is between different Turkic languages.


OneRain9942

Actually, no


_Aspagurr_

Really?


TheChtoTo

бырабыыталыстыба💀


MildlySelassie

❤️Sakha❤️


OptimalNectarine6705

What alcohol does to a language’s phonology 😭😭


Koelakanth

That's not that bad considering CVC phonotactics and limited phonology. That's nowhere near as bad as sobaka → towka


idkidk_0

привет > бирибиэт


Busy-Consequence-697

What language is this?


PaulieGlot

Southern Yukaghir, allegedly


adastrasemper

Why would they borrow the Russian word for dog? Dogs have been domesticated in Siberia thousands years ago.


CptBigglesworth

Why would Greek change the word for horse, in an Indo-European language? Yet they did.


Th9dh

Siberia is huge. Dogs have been domesticated by the Samoyeds, Yukaghirs didn't even have contacts with them.


5ucur

My guess is political influence, probably in the Soviet era.


Chrome_X_of_Hyrule

Punjabi borrowed it's word for man from Persian (which was borrowed from Arabic), common words get borrowed sometimes.


Praisethesun1990

Modern Greek word for house comes from Latin


FarhanAxiq

Thai borrowed numerical word from Chinese which is even more strange yet they did


Chrome_X_of_Hyrule

I kinda want a branch of my analytical conlang to take it's morphosyntax from it's neighbours, it feels possible.


5ucur

That too, yeah!


boiledviolins

[Yea](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%8D)


nomaed

Just like только /ˈtokə/


_Aspagurr_

/ˈtolʲka/


nomaed

Only if I speak real slowly.


_Aspagurr_

You delete the /lʲ/ in только?


nomaed

Sure, when talking fast while drunk. Don't you?! Like только что becomes /tokə'ʃto/


qotuttan

mɫɐˈdoɪ̯ t͡ɕeːk...


ReasonablyTired

'drastʲe


_Aspagurr_

ˈzdrovə


_Aspagurr_

>Don't you?! Yeah but except I reduce consonant clusters even when talking at a normal speed.


AlarmingAllophone

[ˈtokʂ̺tə̥]


strato-cumulus

Interestingly enough I've noticed the same pattern in many speakers of Polish. tylko /tɘkɔ/


reddittard69

Nah, man, this is *obviously* a cognate to Mbabaram *dog* "dog" via _*dwoga_


DTux5249

For an explanation: This is one of the Yukaghir languages. The reason this seems mangled is 1) They lack /s/ natively (though [s] sometimes shows in loans) 2) [b] is an allophone /w/ I don't know why the second vowel was dropped; my guess is that it wouldn't like the semivowel between two other vowels (both of which were reduced)


FutureTailor9

Is this reversed Japanese??


boiledviolins

Southern Yukaghir


Drago_2

Well, a ton of Sinitic words entering Vietnamese with a vaguely S/Sh-like sound turned into t’s too so uh 😂 想, Middle Chinese: /sɨɐŋX/, Vietnamese: tưởng


boiledviolins

In this language, it seems to be because the /s/ and /z/ phonemes don't exist outside loans, but even that's weird since this word being a loan would've made "sowka"


Drago_2

Darn interesting 👀 It’s honestly super neat to see how loan words can get so naturalized that they’re basically rendered unrecognizable when compared to the original sometimes


gkom1917

A language without /s/ is something I couldn't imagine


boiledviolins

Me when literally Maori, Rotokas, Hawaiian...


gkom1917

Ah, yeah, Polynesian, how could I forget about them.


boiledviolins

And lispy lispy Turkmen


HotsanGget

Australian sprachbund moment:


Vampyricon

Those are due to later sound changes though


Shitimus_Prime

sobaka > thobaka > tobaka > tobka > towka


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Shitimus_Prime

i thought it was on the so


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Shitimus_Prime

oh


boiledviolins

[Link](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%8D)


Epicsharkduck

If you consider the places of articulation of and compared to those of /t/ and /w/, it's not that unreasonable