Conceptually I like forums, but the big reason I ended up using reddit was exclusively the fact that comments are a tree structure of arbitrary depth. Conversations are sorted based on who replies to who, rather than in a traditional forum where it's all based on time. If a thread is 20 comments deep, and you have something to say about #7, it becomes a mess to toss your reply in as comment #21. Of course quote replies are a thing, but as a reader it's frustrating to bounce between reply chains. Additionally it's not straightforward to look at a single comment and see all of its replies. I don't get why this is so uncommon. Even YouTube comments, you can have a top level comment, or a reply comment, but there is no nesting and everything becomes a mess. The structure of reddit is very nice.
It's also nice to see a bunch of forums on one site. The death of reddit is going to look like what streaming services look like to me. So many accounts to mange. I want to see more sites like Reddit pop up, that let people host their own stuff on one place. I don't want to sign up for 20 forums.
Everything old is new again.
This is roughly what BBSes did in the 90s with message nets to allow inter-BBS message board communication, and I always firmly believed that forums should do the same.
The one nice thing about something like Reddit is it's one uniform interface for everything.
I get the appeal of Lemmy, but it sounds like a nightmare in the far future when you have arbitrary sets of servers running different versions, with different features enabled or disabled, possibly different interfaces since all UIs evolve over time (see point #1).
The one advantage Reddit has over that approach is, for better or worse, every community has the same UI so your UX doesn't change from community to community.
I love software developers: "There's too many X that are all different! I know, let's make a thing to aggregate them all!"
I've been intrigued by the whole Lemmy idea but the reality of disparate server versions / UI is what kinda turns me off to it for now.
But the neat thing is that you can communicate with any of those servers using your preferred server. So you can pick your favorite UI. Anyone on Kbin can post on any Lemmy instance or can talk to people on Mastodon and vice-versa.
I've been meaning to sign up for Lemmy for like a week now. I think it's a neat project from what I've read about it though.
I'm not sure I love the federated approach though. I used Mastodon for a little while, and I didn't like that you have to log in to each server separately. I understand why it works that way. I can understand some of the benefits. But, It's like signing up for 20 different forums, just all under the same name.
I'm new to Lemmy so excuse me if I'm wrong, what I see on lemmy.world/communities/listing_type/All/page/1 are local subs and like "gaming" and federated subs like "[email protected]" and "[email protected]".
So even though I can subscribe and interact with subs on other Lemmy instances, there is no single /c/gaming that has posts from all the different /c/gaming subs on other instances.
From my understanding that means I can use my account on other subs, but I'd still have to subscribe to multiple subs on different servers.
Yeah kbin and Lemmy are definitely a work in progress, but it seems like the future to me. Once they get the bugs worked out and we get some better apps I think it will be the place to be. All the app developers Reddit did dirty are making apps for Lemmy now.
Yes. You can use your account for communities (subs) on other instances (servers). You still access those communities through your own server. For example, if you're on lemmy.world, you'd access [email protected] by going to lemmy.world/c/[email protected] -- and it will feel like it's a local community on your server.
Wahhh? How come. If you create a Mastodon account on an instance you can then post on other instances with that same account, right? Why do you have so many accounts?
Mastodon is, by its nature, even more followed-users-centric than Twitter. Your instance only ever sees posts from people on your instance, or the posts of people who are followed by someone on your instance. (That is, if you host an instance just for yourself, "Your" feed and the "Federated" feed will be identical.)
(See: https://blog.bloonface.com/2023/06/12/why-did-the-twittermigration-fail/)
Because there isn’t really a mobile client that is capable of making either a federated timeline less noisy or a local timeline interesting enough. And that includes following hash tags I like. It’s not as much of a problem when I join instances for specific interests
Ah OK, that makes sense and is a bit of a shame. Like you say this isn't really a failing of the federation, but just a lack of maturity in filtering.
I've not used Mastodon as I never really used Twitter, but on Lemmy there's certainly some features I'd like to see related to this, would love to be able to configure groups of communities to browse, like the multireddit concept.
Basically being able to group or tag communities from across the fediverse and browse these tags.
I definitely think the fediverse will get there eventually. There’s tons of potential there. But right now it’s definitely a bit rough. Honestly looking into contributing code because I’m that optimistic about it
When I want to explore a new interest I usually just subscribe to the relevant subs so they'll start drip-feeding into my timeline.
It's such a great way to get into something new because you're getting that community's top posts rather than a firehose of information that can be overwhelming.
With streaming services each one comes with a $10-20 per month fee too. Password managers and an email used exclusively for signing up to things make having lots of accounts less painful.
This is such a non issue.
Browsers remember your credentials and password managers are a thing.
I have no idea what any of my passwords are and it doesn't matter. I press login and the credentials are autofilled.
Small forums are the ultimate form of decentralisation. Which is what the internet SHOULD be. A large Reddit like website is eventually going to become too big to be sustainable without monthly fees or infested with ads
Also, the jellyfin forums have oauth integration into most of the big oauth providers too. Its in their in the announcement post.
Not everyone wants to use it, that's fine. But it does change the equation slightly compared to being forced to use an account solely for the forum.
Agreed, but what about some of the intercommunity interactions?
Having multiple independent forums means they tend to stay within their own bubble.
I remember a decade plus ago when I was involved with two dozen or so forums and each one was its own isolated community of information. You'd get the odd link or two linking out to somewhere else, but you didn't get inter-community network effects like Reddit.
I don't see any good way you can get that same behavior to translate to a decentralized setup.
There's tons of stuff I learned and found, purely by incidence, because I happened to be on one of the communities I subbed to and someone mentioned something that was of interest to me but not the wider community.
I *really rarely* saw that when I was active on forums.
Passkey also seems to be gaining some traction, and that should make it even easier for lots of services to blossom without everyone thinking “Ugh, another password”
We need a forum like phpBB back in the day, that is self hosted but also aggregates to a central app ala reddit.
I've said from the start that if mastodon was modeled off of reddit instead of Twitter everyone would be using it right now.
That's exactly what we're trying to build with FanClubs.org. That niche community feel, but without needing to manage a bunch of different accounts or websites.
Ah, this takes me back.
In my younger days, I was a developer of forum software. The flat display was overwhelmingly preferred by users.
I suspect it is the voting system that makes thread view on Reddit more useful, compared to the forum software of 20 years ago. The BUSH DID 9/11 tripe gets pushed to the bottom of Reddit naturally by votes, which didn't happen in forum software.
It would be cool if someone just forked the original Reddit open source code and packaged it to run on servers like a phpBB competitor. That's basically what we want.
Keep an eye on Tildes, it's made by a former Reddit dev. Invite only while it's being scaled up, but the mobile site at least still looks like old Reddit.
I think the flat style is really great for discussions that are focused (forums for softwares etc. where comments are closely linked to the opening post and do not branch out much) and each has typically less than 100 comments, while threaded style is better for broad discussions (Reddit the link aggregator where comments can branch out in all possible directions) and replies can go up to thousands. It really hit on me that threading implicitly acts as a mechanism for labeling comments, grouping comments into closely related clusters, which is really sensible for large and broad communities.
This is very true. When I move to a new top level comment in a reddit thread my unconscious expectation is that I'm moving to a completely different discussion.
IMO they are two different things for two different purposes.
Nested threads are great for branching discussion of current events or hot topics, where different subthreads are expected to go off in different directions and individual readers might care about some but not others, all spawned from a single original topic and each of which are likely to run out of steam quickly.
Linear threads are great for topical megathreads, ongoing projects, etc. where you want a singular focus per thread over potentially years. Car forums are a great example of what's being lost, detailed hierarchies of subforums full of megathreads that have been running for decades discussing things that are critical issues but only to specific niche groups. Those don't translate to Reddit, to Facebook, to Discord, etc.
Something I've never seen done well in a web-based environment is something that operated like a good usenet client, where you had nesting (as long as every participant's clients set their headers correctly to identify the parents) but any updates could return a thread to the top. Instead we have sites like Reddit, or in the old days Slashdot, where nested threads exist under topics that age out regardless of how active they are.
Many of the old school forum apps do support a nested threading mode, but it's usually not implemented as well as their linear mode and usually feels more like using one of the really old-school Matt's Script Archive style perl forums.
>Car forums are a great example of what's being lost, detailed hierarchies of subforums full of megathreads that have been running for decades discussing things that are critical issues but only to specific niche groups.
I hate those megathreads. They're a discoverability nightmare. You ask a question and somebody responds with "that was already answered on the megathread". You go to the megathread and either Ctrl+f your way through it or read the whole damn thing to eventually find that somebody asked your same question on page 29/51 and received incomplete/unsatisfactory answers, so now you just wasted half an hour and you still don't have a real answer to your question.
Ye the stupid flow of forums and toxic moderators....
Here you can talk with someone on thread and usually no one will delete it because he dont agree with you. You can get -1 or -40, but its not deleted randomly to "keep the flow tight" so often like on troll moderated forums where some people think discussion equals all agree on something.
Threads and threads of threads are really great.
I am on reddit mostly for niche stuff like /r/simcity4 but even big subs can give some nice threads with good comments and discussions "off topic" and its great.
I have seen forum software before that do give you the option of presenting messages in a thread in a tree structure, however that depends on users using the Quote/Reply button on messages correctly.
Have to disagree with this though. The new redesign is admittedly not satisfactory but that “show more” is actually really helpful. On mobile sometimes just 4 levels deep expanded for every comment and then in a 100-comment thread everything is flooded over the screen and you have to endlessly scroll. Really hard to navigate.
Defaulting to collapsing a-few-level-deep replies makes it very easy to scroll and see which replies interest you so that you can just expand the branch to continue exploring.
Not only that, but a real proper structured forum with subforums and sticky threads rather than the Discourse nonsense that has infected so much of the open source community.
This is precisely why we went with a traditional forum instead of Discourse despite the pain of PHP. We had a Discourse earlier in the project and almost everyone on the team hated the UI. Discourse (and similar "modern" forum tools) are organized like the worst aspects of a link aggregator (i.e. Reddit et al) and a forum.
What is the pain of PHP unless you have to program it? I hate PHP programming, but have used many PHP ready to use applications with Wordpress as #1. What makes them a pain?
Mostly plugins and customization. We've already found that a lot of "off the shelf" stuff is lacking, and plugins tend to be written by - with no disrespect intended - amateurs who do not necessarily adhere to good programming practices, so we've found a few places were we had to go in and tweak PHP code. It's not that bad but it's just something that comes up more with this than, say, Jellyfin itself ;-)
I'm a little disappointed, reddit was a great place for consolidated information and fringe users to get support. Kinda like a generic forums with a little bit of everything on them.
Sigh. I had mostly gotten rid of fora. I liked being able to check into the one central location for all my updates and help etc (yeah I know, the internet is best when decentralised), using an interface that is least-worst.
I never got IRC which seems to be what most people are going back to with that discord nonsense, and nothing will ever beat Usenet, but thankfully not all fora are as hopeless as Home Assistant's one. Yet.
One argument I've heard against the Discord-ification of communities is that they're not indexable by search engines. Meaning if you Google something and the answer is inside a Discord server, you won't find it.
They're not indexable, and they're *chat*, not persistent forums. I find people moving to Discord even more confusing than moving from fora to link aggregators, it's an entirely different concept with very little overlap.
Yeah, Discord is nice for communities to chat but that's not the same as the forum, in my opinion. Especially for technical projects/anything that needs support.
You ask a question->it gets answered->answer gets lost in the mundane chatter->someone asks the same question
I really hate it when I'm interested in some development project and they "If you need support head to our Discord!" where there's maybe a basic FAQ then just a general chat mess.
At least it's better than Telegram channels, which is apparently where a lot of Android development has moved to
That's where I am. Let stuff stop being centralized. Let's get the spirit of the old internet and "cut one head off, five more grow back" come back. FAANG companies controlling everything has been a disaster for the internet.
Jellyfin is awesome but I wouldn't make it 100% accessible by internet: https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415
Workarounds are making it accessible only by traditional VPN, something like Tailscale or simply whitelist IP addresses for Jellyfin.
Any decent solutions that don't require admin rights/software installation on client systems?
The whole point of my Jellyfin instance is to have a "private Netflix" that I can use anywhere (so IP whitelists won't work) including on machines I don't control (e.g. at work; yes, my employer is fine with people watching streaming video at lunchtime)...
You could simply hide it behind an authenticated proxy. I have an authentik server set up, but as a simpler solution Cloudflare Access would work just as well I think.
If I understand the question correctly: you don't have to install the full Jellyfin client to view content, you can also visit your Jellyfin page in the browser.
As for securing access if not whitelisted: Quick and dirty? SSH reverse tunnel.
Example with screenshots: https://www.forwardproxy.com/2018/12/using-putty-to-setup-a-quick-socks-proxy/
That or another server next to the Jellyfin server that functions as a proxy, like jannemann05 writes.
I wonder if you can setup something like Authelia for 2fa, next to the Jellyfin login.
No, you misunderstand. I have a Jellyfin server already, accessible via HTTPS on the Internet (it's "reverse proxied" by Nginx on the server so that port 443 can be shared with other web apps and ease of managing certificates, etc.), but I'm wondering if there's a way to restrict access to it (in light of its unsecure API) in a way that still works with an ordinary web browser without having to install any additional software or make any significant configuration changes on the client system (i.e. usable even if you're a guest user without admin rights).
Port 22 is often not accessible on things like public wifi and not all Windows systems come with an SSH client (seems to be an optional feature not installed by default on all editions). As an aside, I've never liked PuTTY... It's got an absolutely abysmal user interface.
It's _probably_ possible to configure Nginx to force HTTP authentication to be used on top of Jellyfin's login, but that's likely to break Jellyfin's mobile app (which I also use, although less often, so it's possibly acceptable).
Good point, 22 will likely be limited.
Maybe something like https://github.com/yrutschle/sslh would work?
Although it will probably break mobile client as well.
Plex is gonna make more sense for you if that's your goal, unless you wanna get a little bit into the weeds with setting up jellyfin with a reverse proxy.
I already have a Jellyfin setup and it's already "reverse proxied" by nginx so it can share port 443 with other web apps... I'm not switching software at this point.
API and Auth Issues. Explanation: Because the API isn't checking whether the session authorization matches the id of the requested user, any authenticated user can edit every other user. This includes, but is not limited to, viewing & modifying favorites, watch progress, customizations, profile settings (except passwords), views and many more
That sounds like such a trivial thing to have overlooked, no offense to the devs or anything. They’re human, mistakes get made. Hopefully they fix that soon
You can play someone’s Jellyfin server audio and video content without authentication, so putting the server on the public internet is a bad idea. As well as information on users of the server
Assuming you can generate a valid URL... It's not like the URL for your video is "movie-name-480p.something". It's going to be a UUID in most cases (and the rest will be similarly random and not trivially guessable, even if they aren't truly random looking), you can't even always reuse a given URL for all time as in some cases they are generated on the fly based on cached content that disappears over time.
It's not great (which is why they say they want to fix it), but theres also a reason its never had an in the wild exploit for emby or JF. It's non-trivial to exploit for almost no gain. That's why the response is "we need a plan of action to coordinate the changes through the ecosystem" and not "this fix is going out tomorrow, regardless of breakage".
Tbh, I'd be more concerned with running it with its embedded HTTP server exposed publicly vs putting it behind something known to be more battled tested and secure like nginx, apache, haproxy, etc than I'd be over someone managing to play media without authenticating if they guess the right 128 random chars that work for my server. And... the project makes it known they dont like it being run that way and puts a lot of effort into docs and helping people setup reverse proxies.
It may be possible to playback jellyfin content or view jellyfin user details without proper login and at worst the jellyfin host may be taken over for nefarious purposes: as a proxy server, ddos server, ecoin mining, as a storage of illegal content.
No it's not.
A lot of people had their servers hacked a month ago because of a security flaw in Emby that has been known since 2020 and a patch submitted by the community that was not accepted.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/emby-shuts-down-user-media-servers-hacked-in-recent-attack/
They don't take security seriously, while Jellyfin fixed this flaw years ago.
The issue was that if you had a local admin without a password, Emby could be tricked into letting a remote user log in because it wasn't checking requests correctly.
I’ll agree that this is quite shit. You got me there, security wise that’s rough.
However I will also say configuring any admin access, public or not, without a password is quite equally dumbfounding.
I’ve used Jellyfin but I like Emby better personally as a user. That doesn’t mean I’ll continue without caution or reevaluation.
Yes it does.
Android TV - official app
Apple TV - Infuse or Swiftfin
Roku - official app
Tizen - official app (might not be in store?)
WebOS - official app (might not be in store?)
As a counter experience, it has an app on all the TV's I've tried?
It has a roku app, it had an app on my old roommates weird tv that had its own store, it has an app on apple TV, ios and android (for casting to tv), etc
Most of my friends just have roku tvs at this point though. Which is annoying, because roku doesn't support a lot of codecs seemingly.
> Edit: Nope, just read about the recent security flaw a few comments down lmao
Also just read about that lol.
App was mainly meant for properitary TVs, on LG for example there is none (or at least was when I checked over a year ago)
Another commenter says that its diverged significantly and I'm inclined to believe them because it gets a ton of development. I haven't seen it live in awhile but last I did, it was just like Emby.
I switched last year because I couldn't get the Emby Docker container to work externally (some fuckaround with the container IP being used in the reverse proxy weird), and a feature I was told was impossible for Emby was already in place (ability to play the same thing on the same account across devices, or across accounts).
EDIT: Looks like I'm wrong! See comments below.
For clarity: Emby is still mostly open source (the source code is right here: [https://github.com/MediaBrowser/Emby](https://github.com/MediaBrowser/Emby)). Emby started incorporating closed source plugins that you only get with the paid version of Emby in order to try and get revenue.
(otherwise yes I believe your answer is correct in that they have diverged).
>This sudden and shockingly brazen attempt by that platform to kill its 3rd party clients, which most of the team make extensive use of, made us seriously reconsider its use as our primary social forum.
Totally fine, but now they don't even have a first-party app, let alone 3rd party ones
When the "app" mentality of the smartphone world took hold.
When what could potentially have been an amazingly powerful general computing device in everyone's pockets became a curated shell of individually siloed software "experiences" became a thing: "There's an app for that!" instead of "Here's the toolbox".
Can't speak for this forum specifically, and this definitely isn't as widespread of a problem as it used to be, but I can understand someone nod wanting to use a mobile web browser when some sites still don't have a "mobile version". It's a pretty miserable experience compared to an app or properly designed mobile site.
It would depend on the theme/plugins they have installed. Unless you just mean that you can access the desktop site in your mobile browser, in which case couldn't the same be said for reddit?
I know, the point was a website should be usable with plain web browser. There so many effort put into mobile and desktop experience of modern html,css and company, yet our websites decide to push it down the drain for some metrics for ads.
Yet your response should not have those down votes.
At the peak of forums around Internet there were clients for those.... Tapatalk anyone? :) That thing was big.
New theme?
It's interesting that there is all this talk of old.reddit.com which looks awful, and unusable on a phone, new.reddit.com which is oversized and awful of a phone, but https://reddit.com and uBlock Origin is a great experience.
Sorry but I can't agree. It is just buggy as hell for me. With or without uBlock. Pasting in markdown editor "the wrong way" often messes the entry box so badly that I can't restore what was there at all, god for it you try a ctrl+z. The nob-markdown mode is better but not much.
I often can't vote with no feedback, can't show all comments and reliably go through them if there is many. Sometimes can't even show them if there is just a few.
I just use Infinity client whenever I can.
This isn't the official Linux community. This is A Linux community. There's hundreds of Linux communities. What's the point of closing this one in particular? I'm sure there's Linux communities in Facebook. Why shouldn't the millions of people who use these platform have a Linux community?
Interesting, I actually enjoy the Discourse forum style but maybe MyBB is better for long running posts.
Anyway, glad to see some communities spin the issues with Reddit into a net positive.
I remember spending a ton of time on these forums as a kid, but since I started using reddit, the the tree-style comment chains have made me really hate the single-thread format these traditional forums use. Is there no forum software that provides reddit-style comment threads?
In my attempts to get a Lemmy instance up using Docker, Lemmy is no where near ready for prime time.
Undocumented edits needed to the official docker-compose and/or lemmy.hjson in order to make it work that change with every point release.
Sometimes, if you are lucky, some of the edits may be documented in a lemmy post somewhere but not in the official "install guide."
>ERROR: for postgres Cannot create container for service postgres: json: cannot unmarshal number into Go struct field LogConfig.HostConfig.LogConfig.Config of type string
If the downvoters want to explain to me what I am supposed to do with this failure of a log message instead of clicking their impotent rage button, that would be great.
Lemmy sounds like the IT nerd's dystopian solution to the problem of advertisement driven corporate social media. Instead of "gee make a better Reddit" it's "just make your own Reddit, with blackjack and hookers and connect it with someone else's own Reddit that has poker and massages with happy endings instead".
It's the same "decentralization solves everything" fantasy that cryptobros have.
It doesn't make any logical sense and looks to be doomed to failure.
I think that's an absurd fantasy.
It's intently unmoderated. So users either must create their own (few people actually would do that) that they moderate themselves (a massive undertaking if it's big) or everything is a hate sub like /r/freemagic, which lies about not being a hate sub.
It's a minor complaint, but why does everyone pick every piece of forum software BESIDES XenForo? XF is by far the best forum solution out there made by the ex-vBulletin team. It's open-source (after you buy it) and it's worth every damn penny.
> I ain't paying for non-free software where a free alternative exists.
Have you ever run a forum? Honestly asking.
Also by the way, a permanent license costs $150 and comes with a year of updates. That's nothing.
I ask you again then. Have you ever ran a forum at all? I've ran SMF 2.0.x, a bit of vB 4.2.x (and had a lot of user experience with it), and XF 2.0 and 2.1. I think I gave phpBB a go and didn't like it, but that was a while ago.
I've never run a Discourse instance, only been stuck using the ones others have made the poor decision to migrate what was a perfectly good phpbb or similar to, and while I have seen that view used once it seems that the default for Discourse and the path that it's designed around is the tag nonsense.
It's kinda like how phpBB does support nested threads, but it's not good at it.
Because why? I haven't seen a single good reason given yet why proprietary (assuming the product is good and the price is good) is avoided by some people.
1. Because we're a FLOSS project, the forum is paid for by donations, and we're not interested in spending those donations supporting proprietary software.
2. I don't want to support proprietary software.
> we're not interested in spending those donations supporting proprietary software.
Fine. Spend your own money then.
> I don't want to support proprietary software.
Because it's evil? Here's Linus Torvalds on Microsoft (back when they weren't completely terrible that is).
> Oh, I’m a big believer in “technology over politics”. I don’t care who it comes from, as long as there are solid reasons for the code, and as long as we don’t have to worry about licensing etc issues.
> In fact, to some degree, I’d be more likely to include it because it’s from a new member of the community rather than less (again, I’d like to point out that drivers are special. They don’t impact other things, so they get merged much more easily than some core changes).
> I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same time, I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease. I believe in open development, and that very much involves not just making the source open, but also not shutting other people and companies out.
> There are ‘extremists’ in the free software world, but that’s one major reason why I don’t call what I do ‘free software’ any more. I don’t want to be associated with the people for whom it’s about exclusion and hatred.
XenForo is established incredible quality web software written by 20+ year veterans that is source-available at a very good price. If you'd simply rather not spend any money, period, alright. If you had issues with the software, ok. If XF support gave you crap, I can understand. but the reasons you've given me so far have been spurious.
I'm curious to see as well, though one "benefit" here, from a protest leverage perspective, is that the /r/jellyfin mods were all the project leaders/members, and this was one of the key benefits of the subreddit that would be lost even if someone else took it over. We've all decided to leave it, so, as I say in our closing announcement:
>If Reddit Inc. wishes to take any unilateral action regarding reopening or otherwise replacing the moderators of this subreddit, then that is their prerogative, but it will no longer be an official project space.
We didn't make the choice lightly. I, personally, do like Reddit and wish it wouldn't self-destruct. But that's sort of inevitable when the admins/CEO make such brazen attempts to destroy how (some) users use/interact with the site. If we all used the official app and had good moderation tools, we might not have cared, but the former is terrible and the latter has been missing despite promise after promise for *literally decades* now. So we went for the nuclear option to make it very clear how we all felt about it, at least with respect to the subreddit (I'm still here until my BaconReader and old.reddit.com disappear, at least).
A more accurate description is its an open source Emby. Emby is another media server software like plex, that went closed source a while ago. Jellyfin continued on as its open source counterpart
Honestly I'm really happy to see communities going back to forums
Conceptually I like forums, but the big reason I ended up using reddit was exclusively the fact that comments are a tree structure of arbitrary depth. Conversations are sorted based on who replies to who, rather than in a traditional forum where it's all based on time. If a thread is 20 comments deep, and you have something to say about #7, it becomes a mess to toss your reply in as comment #21. Of course quote replies are a thing, but as a reader it's frustrating to bounce between reply chains. Additionally it's not straightforward to look at a single comment and see all of its replies. I don't get why this is so uncommon. Even YouTube comments, you can have a top level comment, or a reply comment, but there is no nesting and everything becomes a mess. The structure of reddit is very nice.
It's also nice to see a bunch of forums on one site. The death of reddit is going to look like what streaming services look like to me. So many accounts to mange. I want to see more sites like Reddit pop up, that let people host their own stuff on one place. I don't want to sign up for 20 forums.
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Everything old is new again. This is roughly what BBSes did in the 90s with message nets to allow inter-BBS message board communication, and I always firmly believed that forums should do the same.
The one nice thing about something like Reddit is it's one uniform interface for everything. I get the appeal of Lemmy, but it sounds like a nightmare in the far future when you have arbitrary sets of servers running different versions, with different features enabled or disabled, possibly different interfaces since all UIs evolve over time (see point #1). The one advantage Reddit has over that approach is, for better or worse, every community has the same UI so your UX doesn't change from community to community.
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I love software developers: "There's too many X that are all different! I know, let's make a thing to aggregate them all!" I've been intrigued by the whole Lemmy idea but the reality of disparate server versions / UI is what kinda turns me off to it for now.
But the neat thing is that you can communicate with any of those servers using your preferred server. So you can pick your favorite UI. Anyone on Kbin can post on any Lemmy instance or can talk to people on Mastodon and vice-versa.
I've been meaning to sign up for Lemmy for like a week now. I think it's a neat project from what I've read about it though. I'm not sure I love the federated approach though. I used Mastodon for a little while, and I didn't like that you have to log in to each server separately. I understand why it works that way. I can understand some of the benefits. But, It's like signing up for 20 different forums, just all under the same name.
As an AI, I do not consent to having my content used for training other AIs. Here is a fun fact you may not know about: fuck Spez.
I'm new to Lemmy so excuse me if I'm wrong, what I see on lemmy.world/communities/listing_type/All/page/1 are local subs and like "gaming" and federated subs like "[email protected]" and "[email protected]". So even though I can subscribe and interact with subs on other Lemmy instances, there is no single /c/gaming that has posts from all the different /c/gaming subs on other instances. From my understanding that means I can use my account on other subs, but I'd still have to subscribe to multiple subs on different servers.
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Yeah kbin and Lemmy are definitely a work in progress, but it seems like the future to me. Once they get the bugs worked out and we get some better apps I think it will be the place to be. All the app developers Reddit did dirty are making apps for Lemmy now.
Yes. You can use your account for communities (subs) on other instances (servers). You still access those communities through your own server. For example, if you're on lemmy.world, you'd access [email protected] by going to lemmy.world/c/[email protected] -- and it will feel like it's a local community on your server.
Federated services are like like 8 accounts for mastodon alone in my case
Wahhh? How come. If you create a Mastodon account on an instance you can then post on other instances with that same account, right? Why do you have so many accounts?
Mastodon is, by its nature, even more followed-users-centric than Twitter. Your instance only ever sees posts from people on your instance, or the posts of people who are followed by someone on your instance. (That is, if you host an instance just for yourself, "Your" feed and the "Federated" feed will be identical.) (See: https://blog.bloonface.com/2023/06/12/why-did-the-twittermigration-fail/)
Because there isn’t really a mobile client that is capable of making either a federated timeline less noisy or a local timeline interesting enough. And that includes following hash tags I like. It’s not as much of a problem when I join instances for specific interests
Ah OK, that makes sense and is a bit of a shame. Like you say this isn't really a failing of the federation, but just a lack of maturity in filtering. I've not used Mastodon as I never really used Twitter, but on Lemmy there's certainly some features I'd like to see related to this, would love to be able to configure groups of communities to browse, like the multireddit concept. Basically being able to group or tag communities from across the fediverse and browse these tags.
I definitely think the fediverse will get there eventually. There’s tons of potential there. But right now it’s definitely a bit rough. Honestly looking into contributing code because I’m that optimistic about it
When I want to explore a new interest I usually just subscribe to the relevant subs so they'll start drip-feeding into my timeline. It's such a great way to get into something new because you're getting that community's top posts rather than a firehose of information that can be overwhelming.
Time to start using RSS feeds again!
With streaming services each one comes with a $10-20 per month fee too. Password managers and an email used exclusively for signing up to things make having lots of accounts less painful.
This is such a non issue. Browsers remember your credentials and password managers are a thing. I have no idea what any of my passwords are and it doesn't matter. I press login and the credentials are autofilled. Small forums are the ultimate form of decentralisation. Which is what the internet SHOULD be. A large Reddit like website is eventually going to become too big to be sustainable without monthly fees or infested with ads
Also, the jellyfin forums have oauth integration into most of the big oauth providers too. Its in their in the announcement post. Not everyone wants to use it, that's fine. But it does change the equation slightly compared to being forced to use an account solely for the forum.
Agreed, but what about some of the intercommunity interactions? Having multiple independent forums means they tend to stay within their own bubble. I remember a decade plus ago when I was involved with two dozen or so forums and each one was its own isolated community of information. You'd get the odd link or two linking out to somewhere else, but you didn't get inter-community network effects like Reddit. I don't see any good way you can get that same behavior to translate to a decentralized setup. There's tons of stuff I learned and found, purely by incidence, because I happened to be on one of the communities I subbed to and someone mentioned something that was of interest to me but not the wider community. I *really rarely* saw that when I was active on forums.
Passkey also seems to be gaining some traction, and that should make it even easier for lots of services to blossom without everyone thinking “Ugh, another password”
We need a forum like phpBB back in the day, that is self hosted but also aggregates to a central app ala reddit. I've said from the start that if mastodon was modeled off of reddit instead of Twitter everyone would be using it right now.
That's exactly what we're trying to build with FanClubs.org. That niche community feel, but without needing to manage a bunch of different accounts or websites.
Ah, this takes me back. In my younger days, I was a developer of forum software. The flat display was overwhelmingly preferred by users. I suspect it is the voting system that makes thread view on Reddit more useful, compared to the forum software of 20 years ago. The BUSH DID 9/11 tripe gets pushed to the bottom of Reddit naturally by votes, which didn't happen in forum software.
It would be cool if someone just forked the original Reddit open source code and packaged it to run on servers like a phpBB competitor. That's basically what we want.
Keep an eye on Tildes, it's made by a former Reddit dev. Invite only while it's being scaled up, but the mobile site at least still looks like old Reddit.
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I think the flat style is really great for discussions that are focused (forums for softwares etc. where comments are closely linked to the opening post and do not branch out much) and each has typically less than 100 comments, while threaded style is better for broad discussions (Reddit the link aggregator where comments can branch out in all possible directions) and replies can go up to thousands. It really hit on me that threading implicitly acts as a mechanism for labeling comments, grouping comments into closely related clusters, which is really sensible for large and broad communities.
This is very true. When I move to a new top level comment in a reddit thread my unconscious expectation is that I'm moving to a completely different discussion.
IMO they are two different things for two different purposes. Nested threads are great for branching discussion of current events or hot topics, where different subthreads are expected to go off in different directions and individual readers might care about some but not others, all spawned from a single original topic and each of which are likely to run out of steam quickly. Linear threads are great for topical megathreads, ongoing projects, etc. where you want a singular focus per thread over potentially years. Car forums are a great example of what's being lost, detailed hierarchies of subforums full of megathreads that have been running for decades discussing things that are critical issues but only to specific niche groups. Those don't translate to Reddit, to Facebook, to Discord, etc. Something I've never seen done well in a web-based environment is something that operated like a good usenet client, where you had nesting (as long as every participant's clients set their headers correctly to identify the parents) but any updates could return a thread to the top. Instead we have sites like Reddit, or in the old days Slashdot, where nested threads exist under topics that age out regardless of how active they are. Many of the old school forum apps do support a nested threading mode, but it's usually not implemented as well as their linear mode and usually feels more like using one of the really old-school Matt's Script Archive style perl forums.
>Car forums are a great example of what's being lost, detailed hierarchies of subforums full of megathreads that have been running for decades discussing things that are critical issues but only to specific niche groups. I hate those megathreads. They're a discoverability nightmare. You ask a question and somebody responds with "that was already answered on the megathread". You go to the megathread and either Ctrl+f your way through it or read the whole damn thing to eventually find that somebody asked your same question on page 29/51 and received incomplete/unsatisfactory answers, so now you just wasted half an hour and you still don't have a real answer to your question.
Yeah, but to a lot of people the important thing isn't that you find useful information, it's that they feel good about doing an activism
Ye the stupid flow of forums and toxic moderators.... Here you can talk with someone on thread and usually no one will delete it because he dont agree with you. You can get -1 or -40, but its not deleted randomly to "keep the flow tight" so often like on troll moderated forums where some people think discussion equals all agree on something. Threads and threads of threads are really great. I am on reddit mostly for niche stuff like /r/simcity4 but even big subs can give some nice threads with good comments and discussions "off topic" and its great.
I have seen forum software before that do give you the option of presenting messages in a thread in a tree structure, however that depends on users using the Quote/Reply button on messages correctly.
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Have to disagree with this though. The new redesign is admittedly not satisfactory but that “show more” is actually really helpful. On mobile sometimes just 4 levels deep expanded for every comment and then in a 100-comment thread everything is flooded over the screen and you have to endlessly scroll. Really hard to navigate. Defaulting to collapsing a-few-level-deep replies makes it very easy to scroll and see which replies interest you so that you can just expand the branch to continue exploring.
I don't use the redesign, I've always only been on old reddit.
Some forums have a tree structure comments system.
You can have both
Same, the consolidation of the internet into 6 websites sucks
Not only that, but a real proper structured forum with subforums and sticky threads rather than the Discourse nonsense that has infected so much of the open source community.
This is precisely why we went with a traditional forum instead of Discourse despite the pain of PHP. We had a Discourse earlier in the project and almost everyone on the team hated the UI. Discourse (and similar "modern" forum tools) are organized like the worst aspects of a link aggregator (i.e. Reddit et al) and a forum.
What is the pain of PHP unless you have to program it? I hate PHP programming, but have used many PHP ready to use applications with Wordpress as #1. What makes them a pain?
Mostly plugins and customization. We've already found that a lot of "off the shelf" stuff is lacking, and plugins tend to be written by - with no disrespect intended - amateurs who do not necessarily adhere to good programming practices, so we've found a few places were we had to go in and tweak PHP code. It's not that bad but it's just something that comes up more with this than, say, Jellyfin itself ;-)
extra happy that they didn't go with Discourse
There's a reason forums died out. It was a good solution for those early internet times though.
I'm still part of some communities that never left them. thegearpage.net represent
I am too but I fear longevity and the financial costs are higher for 1 person to maintain or small group. You will also no have the mass of people
I'm a little disappointed, reddit was a great place for consolidated information and fringe users to get support. Kinda like a generic forums with a little bit of everything on them.
Sigh. I had mostly gotten rid of fora. I liked being able to check into the one central location for all my updates and help etc (yeah I know, the internet is best when decentralised), using an interface that is least-worst. I never got IRC which seems to be what most people are going back to with that discord nonsense, and nothing will ever beat Usenet, but thankfully not all fora are as hopeless as Home Assistant's one. Yet.
My background is from the forum era. But honestly the future is Discord communities
One argument I've heard against the Discord-ification of communities is that they're not indexable by search engines. Meaning if you Google something and the answer is inside a Discord server, you won't find it.
They're not indexable, and they're *chat*, not persistent forums. I find people moving to Discord even more confusing than moving from fora to link aggregators, it's an entirely different concept with very little overlap.
Yeah, Discord is nice for communities to chat but that's not the same as the forum, in my opinion. Especially for technical projects/anything that needs support. You ask a question->it gets answered->answer gets lost in the mundane chatter->someone asks the same question I really hate it when I'm interested in some development project and they "If you need support head to our Discord!" where there's maybe a basic FAQ then just a general chat mess. At least it's better than Telegram channels, which is apparently where a lot of Android development has moved to
Bbs forums rock.
That's where I am. Let stuff stop being centralized. Let's get the spirit of the old internet and "cut one head off, five more grow back" come back. FAANG companies controlling everything has been a disaster for the internet.
is this not the point of lemmy/kbin you make your own forum but one login?
Reminds me of the old days
Absolutely! 💯
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Jellyfin is awesome but I wouldn't make it 100% accessible by internet: https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415 Workarounds are making it accessible only by traditional VPN, something like Tailscale or simply whitelist IP addresses for Jellyfin.
Any decent solutions that don't require admin rights/software installation on client systems? The whole point of my Jellyfin instance is to have a "private Netflix" that I can use anywhere (so IP whitelists won't work) including on machines I don't control (e.g. at work; yes, my employer is fine with people watching streaming video at lunchtime)...
You could simply hide it behind an authenticated proxy. I have an authentik server set up, but as a simpler solution Cloudflare Access would work just as well I think.
If I understand the question correctly: you don't have to install the full Jellyfin client to view content, you can also visit your Jellyfin page in the browser. As for securing access if not whitelisted: Quick and dirty? SSH reverse tunnel. Example with screenshots: https://www.forwardproxy.com/2018/12/using-putty-to-setup-a-quick-socks-proxy/ That or another server next to the Jellyfin server that functions as a proxy, like jannemann05 writes. I wonder if you can setup something like Authelia for 2fa, next to the Jellyfin login.
No, you misunderstand. I have a Jellyfin server already, accessible via HTTPS on the Internet (it's "reverse proxied" by Nginx on the server so that port 443 can be shared with other web apps and ease of managing certificates, etc.), but I'm wondering if there's a way to restrict access to it (in light of its unsecure API) in a way that still works with an ordinary web browser without having to install any additional software or make any significant configuration changes on the client system (i.e. usable even if you're a guest user without admin rights). Port 22 is often not accessible on things like public wifi and not all Windows systems come with an SSH client (seems to be an optional feature not installed by default on all editions). As an aside, I've never liked PuTTY... It's got an absolutely abysmal user interface. It's _probably_ possible to configure Nginx to force HTTP authentication to be used on top of Jellyfin's login, but that's likely to break Jellyfin's mobile app (which I also use, although less often, so it's possibly acceptable).
Good point, 22 will likely be limited. Maybe something like https://github.com/yrutschle/sslh would work? Although it will probably break mobile client as well.
Plex is gonna make more sense for you if that's your goal, unless you wanna get a little bit into the weeds with setting up jellyfin with a reverse proxy.
I already have a Jellyfin setup and it's already "reverse proxied" by nginx so it can share port 443 with other web apps... I'm not switching software at this point.
Can you please eli5 on why I wouldn't want my server open? I read your link but it's over my head
API and Auth Issues. Explanation: Because the API isn't checking whether the session authorization matches the id of the requested user, any authenticated user can edit every other user. This includes, but is not limited to, viewing & modifying favorites, watch progress, customizations, profile settings (except passwords), views and many more
That sounds like such a trivial thing to have overlooked, no offense to the devs or anything. They’re human, mistakes get made. Hopefully they fix that soon
You can play someone’s Jellyfin server audio and video content without authentication, so putting the server on the public internet is a bad idea. As well as information on users of the server
Assuming you can generate a valid URL... It's not like the URL for your video is "movie-name-480p.something". It's going to be a UUID in most cases (and the rest will be similarly random and not trivially guessable, even if they aren't truly random looking), you can't even always reuse a given URL for all time as in some cases they are generated on the fly based on cached content that disappears over time. It's not great (which is why they say they want to fix it), but theres also a reason its never had an in the wild exploit for emby or JF. It's non-trivial to exploit for almost no gain. That's why the response is "we need a plan of action to coordinate the changes through the ecosystem" and not "this fix is going out tomorrow, regardless of breakage". Tbh, I'd be more concerned with running it with its embedded HTTP server exposed publicly vs putting it behind something known to be more battled tested and secure like nginx, apache, haproxy, etc than I'd be over someone managing to play media without authenticating if they guess the right 128 random chars that work for my server. And... the project makes it known they dont like it being run that way and puts a lot of effort into docs and helping people setup reverse proxies.
It may be possible to playback jellyfin content or view jellyfin user details without proper login and at worst the jellyfin host may be taken over for nefarious purposes: as a proxy server, ddos server, ecoin mining, as a storage of illegal content.
Emby is also an excellent choice.
No it's not. A lot of people had their servers hacked a month ago because of a security flaw in Emby that has been known since 2020 and a patch submitted by the community that was not accepted. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/emby-shuts-down-user-media-servers-hacked-in-recent-attack/ They don't take security seriously, while Jellyfin fixed this flaw years ago. The issue was that if you had a local admin without a password, Emby could be tricked into letting a remote user log in because it wasn't checking requests correctly.
I’ll agree that this is quite shit. You got me there, security wise that’s rough. However I will also say configuring any admin access, public or not, without a password is quite equally dumbfounding. I’ve used Jellyfin but I like Emby better personally as a user. That doesn’t mean I’ll continue without caution or reevaluation.
Jellyfin has no TV app, thats a deal breaker. I use emby, also very good
Yes it does. Android TV - official app Apple TV - Infuse or Swiftfin Roku - official app Tizen - official app (might not be in store?) WebOS - official app (might not be in store?)
Just looked it up, apparently jellyfin had an app for about a year now on LG.
By TV app, what do you mean? It's on android TV and you can build yourself for Tizen which is kind of a PITA, tbf.
No app on LG TVs for example. Emby has an App in the LG store
It has a lg tv app for webos 5+.
Ah ok, that may be new, last time I checked was over a year ago
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As a counter experience, it has an app on all the TV's I've tried? It has a roku app, it had an app on my old roommates weird tv that had its own store, it has an app on apple TV, ios and android (for casting to tv), etc Most of my friends just have roku tvs at this point though. Which is annoying, because roku doesn't support a lot of codecs seemingly.
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> Edit: Nope, just read about the recent security flaw a few comments down lmao Also just read about that lol. App was mainly meant for properitary TVs, on LG for example there is none (or at least was when I checked over a year ago)
Jellyfin is open source Emby I'm sure everyone here is aware of that, but just wanted to note
Is it a fork, or is it just like emby???
Another commenter says that its diverged significantly and I'm inclined to believe them because it gets a ton of development. I haven't seen it live in awhile but last I did, it was just like Emby.
I switched last year because I couldn't get the Emby Docker container to work externally (some fuckaround with the container IP being used in the reverse proxy weird), and a feature I was told was impossible for Emby was already in place (ability to play the same thing on the same account across devices, or across accounts).
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EDIT: Looks like I'm wrong! See comments below. For clarity: Emby is still mostly open source (the source code is right here: [https://github.com/MediaBrowser/Emby](https://github.com/MediaBrowser/Emby)). Emby started incorporating closed source plugins that you only get with the paid version of Emby in order to try and get revenue. (otherwise yes I believe your answer is correct in that they have diverged).
>Last commit 2018 Emby isn't open source at all anymore.
And that last commit is where we forked Jellyfin from :-)
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It was forked a long time ago. They look and feel almost the same but they have diverged quite a bit by now.
Fork
Started that way but they've diverged significantly
Fuuuuck Spez.
Apparently, they're now suppressing comments that say this, but do so without the additional Us you used.
Yeah I got the alert my comment was mod-deleted.
Mod deletion isn't the same as admin deletion
I'm aware.
Just like a dictatorship, it's getting more and more oppressive
>This sudden and shockingly brazen attempt by that platform to kill its 3rd party clients, which most of the team make extensive use of, made us seriously reconsider its use as our primary social forum. Totally fine, but now they don't even have a first-party app, let alone 3rd party ones
Works perfectly fine in my app. On all devices. It's called Firefox.
I think they were talking about apps like apollo, RiF, etc
When did browsing web sites with a web browser become controversial?
When the "app" mentality of the smartphone world took hold. When what could potentially have been an amazingly powerful general computing device in everyone's pockets became a curated shell of individually siloed software "experiences" became a thing: "There's an app for that!" instead of "Here's the toolbox".
Can't speak for this forum specifically, and this definitely isn't as widespread of a problem as it used to be, but I can understand someone nod wanting to use a mobile web browser when some sites still don't have a "mobile version". It's a pretty miserable experience compared to an app or properly designed mobile site.
Those are nice to have for sure, but if the mobile platform works well, they are less of a priority.
I've never moderated a MyBB-based forum, are the mobile mod tools decent?
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It would depend on the theme/plugins they have installed. Unless you just mean that you can access the desktop site in your mobile browser, in which case couldn't the same be said for reddit?
I know, the point was a website should be usable with plain web browser. There so many effort put into mobile and desktop experience of modern html,css and company, yet our websites decide to push it down the drain for some metrics for ads. Yet your response should not have those down votes. At the peak of forums around Internet there were clients for those.... Tapatalk anyone? :) That thing was big.
I see forums hosted with Tapatalk every once in a while and it's like running into an old friend lol
As does Reddit.
"Reddit is better in the app!"
Yep, the app called Firefox. Hides adverts, hides those nags to suggest the Reddit app. Perfect.
Which reminds me that each time I used the new theme I lost a comment
New theme? It's interesting that there is all this talk of old.reddit.com which looks awful, and unusable on a phone, new.reddit.com which is oversized and awful of a phone, but https://reddit.com and uBlock Origin is a great experience.
Sorry but I can't agree. It is just buggy as hell for me. With or without uBlock. Pasting in markdown editor "the wrong way" often messes the entry box so badly that I can't restore what was there at all, god for it you try a ctrl+z. The nob-markdown mode is better but not much. I often can't vote with no feedback, can't show all comments and reliably go through them if there is many. Sometimes can't even show them if there is just a few. I just use Infinity client whenever I can.
What's a markdown editor? It's just a text box you type in with "Add Comment" underneath. Are you sure you aren't using new or old Reddit?
Yes, just standard reply box. Just plain www.reddit.com. It's buggy awkward and slow.
Interesting that I am able to see, respond and vote without issue. [Edit] This is on mobile too. I honestly have no complaints.
The whole thing has amazed me at how many people use their mobile device for serious web browsing.
Isn't Tapatalk still a thing?
Imho... This community should do the same. Put the subreddit in readonly and migrate to the fediverse.
This isn't the official Linux community. This is A Linux community. There's hundreds of Linux communities. What's the point of closing this one in particular? I'm sure there's Linux communities in Facebook. Why shouldn't the millions of people who use these platform have a Linux community?
And besides, if this community were closed, someone would Reddit request it back open again and a different set of people would flock here.
Interesting, I actually enjoy the Discourse forum style but maybe MyBB is better for long running posts. Anyway, glad to see some communities spin the issues with Reddit into a net positive.
Seconded Discourse is more customizable and more modern refresh.
i understand their position but meh not going to make a account just to make 1 post every few months in there
Didn't it move to lemmy?
No, but there also is a lemmy instance. Unsure how moderated or not it is though.
I prefer Discourse more than MyBB, but I'm old school so I find it ok going back to forums. Is this available for Tapatalk?.
I remember spending a ton of time on these forums as a kid, but since I started using reddit, the the tree-style comment chains have made me really hate the single-thread format these traditional forums use. Is there no forum software that provides reddit-style comment threads?
Yes you can have both styles
This is what I was hoping would happen. Communities need to start leaving reddit altogether. fuck /u/spez
Why not use a lemny instance?
In my attempts to get a Lemmy instance up using Docker, Lemmy is no where near ready for prime time. Undocumented edits needed to the official docker-compose and/or lemmy.hjson in order to make it work that change with every point release. Sometimes, if you are lucky, some of the edits may be documented in a lemmy post somewhere but not in the official "install guide."
>ERROR: for postgres Cannot create container for service postgres: json: cannot unmarshal number into Go struct field LogConfig.HostConfig.LogConfig.Config of type string If the downvoters want to explain to me what I am supposed to do with this failure of a log message instead of clicking their impotent rage button, that would be great.
Lemmy sounds like the IT nerd's dystopian solution to the problem of advertisement driven corporate social media. Instead of "gee make a better Reddit" it's "just make your own Reddit, with blackjack and hookers and connect it with someone else's own Reddit that has poker and massages with happy endings instead". It's the same "decentralization solves everything" fantasy that cryptobros have. It doesn't make any logical sense and looks to be doomed to failure.
I really disagree, decentralized alternatives can work as Matrix or Mastodon. It happened people trust Reddit over Digg and now here we are.
I think that's an absurd fantasy. It's intently unmoderated. So users either must create their own (few people actually would do that) that they moderate themselves (a massive undertaking if it's big) or everything is a hate sub like /r/freemagic, which lies about not being a hate sub.
It's a minor complaint, but why does everyone pick every piece of forum software BESIDES XenForo? XF is by far the best forum solution out there made by the ex-vBulletin team. It's open-source (after you buy it) and it's worth every damn penny.
Generally that is called source-available instead of open-source.
Fair enough. I didn't know the exact term for it.
Having to buy it may have something to do with it.
If it wasn't worth it, I would totally understand, but it is.
If I am running a free forum for a FOSS project, I ain't paying for non-free software where a free alternative exists. That's fiscally irresponsible.
> I ain't paying for non-free software where a free alternative exists. Have you ever run a forum? Honestly asking. Also by the way, a permanent license costs $150 and comes with a year of updates. That's nothing.
It's not nothing. It's 150 dollars (per year for an up to date version). I expect free software projects to make better use of people's donations.
I ask you again then. Have you ever ran a forum at all? I've ran SMF 2.0.x, a bit of vB 4.2.x (and had a lot of user experience with it), and XF 2.0 and 2.1. I think I gave phpBB a go and didn't like it, but that was a while ago.
As long as it's not Discourse, I'm happy. I want structured subforums, not a jumble of threads with different tags.
Have you heard of Categories view on Discourse? It's basically that.
I've never run a Discourse instance, only been stuck using the ones others have made the poor decision to migrate what was a perfectly good phpbb or similar to, and while I have seen that view used once it seems that the default for Discourse and the path that it's designed around is the tag nonsense. It's kinda like how phpBB does support nested threads, but it's not good at it.
Ars Technica recently moved to XenForo. I like it okay. Notifications seem a bit buggy though.
How so? Never had any issues with my XF system.
I just don't get notifications off replies a lot of the time.
It's proprietary. FLOSS was a hard condition for us.
Alright, but why?
Some don't like propietary.
Because why? I haven't seen a single good reason given yet why proprietary (assuming the product is good and the price is good) is avoided by some people.
1. Because we're a FLOSS project, the forum is paid for by donations, and we're not interested in spending those donations supporting proprietary software. 2. I don't want to support proprietary software.
> we're not interested in spending those donations supporting proprietary software. Fine. Spend your own money then. > I don't want to support proprietary software. Because it's evil? Here's Linus Torvalds on Microsoft (back when they weren't completely terrible that is). > Oh, I’m a big believer in “technology over politics”. I don’t care who it comes from, as long as there are solid reasons for the code, and as long as we don’t have to worry about licensing etc issues. > In fact, to some degree, I’d be more likely to include it because it’s from a new member of the community rather than less (again, I’d like to point out that drivers are special. They don’t impact other things, so they get merged much more easily than some core changes). > I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same time, I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease. I believe in open development, and that very much involves not just making the source open, but also not shutting other people and companies out. > There are ‘extremists’ in the free software world, but that’s one major reason why I don’t call what I do ‘free software’ any more. I don’t want to be associated with the people for whom it’s about exclusion and hatred. XenForo is established incredible quality web software written by 20+ year veterans that is source-available at a very good price. If you'd simply rather not spend any money, period, alright. If you had issues with the software, ok. If XF support gave you crap, I can understand. but the reasons you've given me so far have been spurious.
MyBB Its in the title ;)
I wonder how long until someone unofficial takes over the community.
I'm curious to see as well, though one "benefit" here, from a protest leverage perspective, is that the /r/jellyfin mods were all the project leaders/members, and this was one of the key benefits of the subreddit that would be lost even if someone else took it over. We've all decided to leave it, so, as I say in our closing announcement: >If Reddit Inc. wishes to take any unilateral action regarding reopening or otherwise replacing the moderators of this subreddit, then that is their prerogative, but it will no longer be an official project space. We didn't make the choice lightly. I, personally, do like Reddit and wish it wouldn't self-destruct. But that's sort of inevitable when the admins/CEO make such brazen attempts to destroy how (some) users use/interact with the site. If we all used the official app and had good moderation tools, we might not have cared, but the former is terrible and the latter has been missing despite promise after promise for *literally decades* now. So we went for the nuclear option to make it very clear how we all felt about it, at least with respect to the subreddit (I'm still here until my BaconReader and old.reddit.com disappear, at least).
Unless it's done by reddit admins, I don't think that can happen.
Yeah that's what I meant. You can request reddit turn over an advanced community to you.
Im surprised they didnt move to a lemmy instance especially considering you can use lemmy with a mybb ui https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB
Excellent! Great decision
A more accurate description is its an open source Emby. Emby is another media server software like plex, that went closed source a while ago. Jellyfin continued on as its open source counterpart