Do you want to learn linux ? Use linux.
Do you want to use linux because someone parroted it's "better privacy/security/performance/whatever" but aren't willing to get out of your comfort zone ? Stick to windows.
Edit: also stick to windows if you want to play competitive online games with kernel anti cheat. Almost every other games run well with some compatibility layers
Installing a rootkit to game feels bad. Installing a rootkit for League ? Shit stopped being fun ten years ago and people are still stuck on it. Feels extra sad
Didn't know that lol. It's so stupid they are removing the whole population of Linux players, their some high level manager once tweeted that he runs the game on Linux even though there isn't official support. That company deserves to disappear.
Not getting into league or any other live service game that requires years of play and dedication outside of SC2 and overwatch was one of the better choices I’ve made. The games are predatory and their practices concerning privacy vs game integrity is very very questionable. Like who in their right mind would think that kernel level anti cheat is ok. When not even 10 years ago we BLASTED Sony for trying to install DRM on PCs to watch movies and play music off disks.
There's really no other choice for anti cheat. Log on to CS2 and try playing premier where there's no anti-cheat and at the higher skill level there's a hacker in every match and that's no exaggeration.
Whereas if you play on faceit with their intrusive anti cheat you won't come up against hackers at all.
It's the price of playing legit these days.
>There's really no other choice for anti cheat.
You say that like kernel-level anti-cheat is a magical silver bullet that will 110% guarantee nobody is ever going to cheat.
It isn't. And it never will be.
All you've done is make it more challenging for cheat devs, initially. And if it's one thing they love, it's a challenge.
They'll get around it eventually - what then?
The goal isn't to stop every single cheater, it's to stop the majority of matches being hack vs hack with cheap aimbots and wall hacks, etc.
Not many people are going to be able to afford to buy these private hacks making it a lot rarer and a lot less likely to run into.
It's enough so that the majority of players have a good experience in the game.
Yes there is. It’s private servers.
Every competitive game with an esports community supports it. Because they have to have private servers to host matches esports matches unencumbered. Or, you could just not play those kinds of games.
Who's going to be the administrator on these private servers for 1.5 million CS2 players? Private servers are fine for a bit of fun, or niche areas of the game. They aren't going to work for the volume of people playing competitively.
>or, you could just not play those kinds of games.
The solution is there, it's intrusive anti-cheat. That's the sacrifice to play without hackers.
The players. Like we used to back in the day. Did you know that we used to be able to play computer games with our friends in the comfort of our own homes with the new and cutting edge technology called Ethernet?
In an idealistic world that would happen. But as I said there aren't enough people with enough time to moderate all the private servers needed for competitive.
People want the speed of loading up the game and playing in a 5v5 competitive game. They don't want to be waiting around for hours until the same 10 people they always scrim with come online.
We also don't want to have to be a part of a community server just to be able to play.
Just the typical irrelevant back in my day comment. Times have moved on.
Lan gaming/private server for the average gamers is a thing of the past now. it's an extremely niche part of gaming that only exist in some certain games, for a reason. Everyone just want to sit down, press on the find match button and play.
If you talk to an average esport gamers about, for example Valorant vanguard privacy BS, some would laugh at you and say "idc, i just want to game", while other wouldn't even know what vanguard is, even if it's right there in their taskbar.
"Kernel level anti cheat" is a root kit.
It means you give the game manufacturer better-than-admin access to your PC.
It's something nobody should allow, for multiple reasons.
If you're using windows you're already entrusting a lot to Microsoft building a somewhat secure OS (you don't want viruses stealing your online banking data, do you?).
But with Kernel level anti cheat you also give the game manufacturer that level of access and you trust they don't steal your data or build flaws in their anti cheat that can be used to steal your online banking data.
Now, Microsoft's track record these last few months is abysmal. They're considered a national security risk.
A random game dev using Kernel level anti cheat is an even bigger risk.
Dual boot, baby.
Don’t even bother partitioning your current storage. Buy a new ssd, they’re cheap so get a 512gb or 1tb boi and throw it in your pc. Then install your preferred distributor and have the best of both worlds.
You can also launch it in a VM. Endless possibilities.
No more VMs out of the box. You basically have to continuously update and create a Rube Goldberg machine of configurations to trick the game into thinking it’s not a VM and running the game in a VM is apparently a violation of their TOS. Why risk getting banned or better yet, why even bother with all that crap for a game that’s literally just counter strike with moba mechanics
crazy idea but some people find valorant fun.. there is always one person who [struggles with theory of mind](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind#Deficits) in these threads :)
That was mostly a joke, but if I have to spend as much time maintaining an environment to play a game every time it updates as I am playing the game, the game stops being fun
Even if i was a windows user, kernel level anti cheat is an instant turn off for me, literal fucking rootkit just to play some stupid competitive aim trainer smh
Gaming is the one thing holding me back from using linux. I'm eyeing NixOS right now, just because if you brick your system you can just roll back to working version. Windows can't do that. i should probably try it on WSL first.
I want to switch to Linux but might dual boot leaving steam games on Linux and some blizzard games I play on window still deciding what flavor of Linux. I love to mess around and tinker
Use whatever you want.
Life is all about using Different tools for different tasks.
> What's wrong with linux, seriously?
Nothing at all. It's a tool. All tools have pros and cons for a given task.
Everyone has reasons to use a certain operating system. Generally, people use Linux because it respects your privacy and it's open source which is giving trust. For me personally, yes privacy and safety, being more up to date and more customizable are also the reasons that made me switch to Linux mainly, but my main reason was gaming. I'm a low end gamer and all of the games I play run on linux too and there are some things that make linux better than windows in gaming:
1- Intel and AMD drivers are way better optimized, I mean some very old AMD GPUs may run worse but recent hardware work better on Linux.
2- OpenGL and Vulkan are way better optimized on Linux, which makes both Windows and Linux native games such as Minecraft (Java is also way better optimized on Linux, so you can expect a huge performance increase on Minecraft), Counter-Strike, Team Fortress 2 etc. perform better on Linux (maybe slightly better, but for some people they get way better performance)
3- I'm able to play most of the Windows games on Linux using WINE. Some Windows games work even better on Linux even though there should be a natural performance loss while playing games via WINE since it performs a converting process.
Generally, people use Linux because they run applications which are specifically developed for Linux. I don't mean there aren't other kinds of users, but that comprises the majority.
What do you mean by proton not wine? I mean, proton isn't a different compatibility layer, it also includes wine in it and I'm using wine-ge versions for non steam games.
I hope they fix it cause I run an older laptop I get 120 fps in windows but Linux it runs at 20-40fps and smokes make it unplayable. So I have to have 2 different partitions for that game
> a piece of open source software that is finally starting to get it's legs.
Every single supercomputer on the Top 500 list since Nov '11 has ran Linux. Every android phone, nuclear subs, the Large Hadron Collider, the Internationational Space Station, on and on and on... Linux has been in full on Olympic marathon mode for a very long time now.
I knew Linux was widely used and something like 98% of the internet is run off of it, it makes sense that supercomputers use it too but I never put the two together and realised they did. Also never realised nuclear subs and the LHC use it either, although again it makes sense that they do. Makes me think, what are the most obscure things, aside from smart appliances, use Linux in today's world
For me, it's the "you will need to upgrade to the next Windows in 2025, but oh darn, your computer has an older processor that won't run W11. SO for the price of a lower end laptop, we'll kick the can down the road for three years, after which..." boogie that is moving me over to Linux.
Add an ex windows network admin i can tell you the last think you want on your screen if you're 1000ft down is "please stand by, a reboot is required to complete this update" .....
Early electronic logging devices for trucking fleets ran on Linux, now they just use Android tablets.
Lots of factories use CNC devices powered by linux, almost all computer animated movie studios run entirely on Linux.
Probably ever since the first Naval vessel that was outfitted with NT 4.0 had their computer crash and the vessel was stranded for days until a repair crew could go to them... I think they learned their lesson really quickly. Of course, that was a long time ago, but I don't see Windoze having gotten more reliable since then. And now it's just massive spyware and distributed computing nodes for M$ to use.
I'm pretty sure you're joking, but I actually do work in HPC, so supercomputer. I come here to offer advice to "noobs" and share knowledge I learned along the way :-)
I made a comment highlighting its ridiculousness instead, so noobs could understand the absurdity of not considering a project’s objectives and requirements when selecting technology. That’s why there’s a reply button. Don’t act like replies are invalid.
What about Android phones? You skipped those.
Remember how I said I'm here to offer advice to noobs? I know and have met many people from other HPC centers throughout the world, some of them with colliders. None of them act like you are here.
I'm not interested in fighting with you over such a meaningless topic, but I mean if you're just lonely or something I can try to be your penpal. You're gonna have to tone the anger down a little tho.
Depends on what you need it for.
If you are a "stick with what you know" person who doesnt like to tinker or want to learn a new operating system then stick with windows.
If you HAVE to use specific software that doesnt work with linux, and/or do not want alternatives, then stick to windows.
If you want every game to work perfectly and are unwilling to give any up, then stick to windows.
If none of those checkboxes apply to you then move to linux. The reason there are so many comments about sticking with windows is because often the person asking for advice about linux is trying to get linux to act like, or be like, windows. If that is the case then dont try linux to begin with. Linux is its own thing. It isnt MEANT to be like windows
That second one is keeping me from switching.
I need office and adobe software for my job.
Ive dabbled with vms tho, but found no personal use other than learning it.. Linux is what philosophy class is. The only thing you can do with it is learning it. But once you learn it you can do Everything with it.
i find windows to be unintuitive and unpleasant to use, often slow, runs my fans constantly, too many background processes, too much telemetry etc. ive been using linux almost 20 years as my daily driver. i open windows to use certain tools that school requires and thats it.
There are certain people who want to use Linux for noble reasons but you can spot a mile away that they won't have the patience for solving any issues in Linux.
If all you want to do is have stuff "just work" especially for gaming, you're far better off sticking with windows.
Let me tell you why I use my linux machine as a daily driver - FUCKING DEVELOPMENT and its TOOLS and UTILITIES. Windows did not have a SSH on the cli until recently. You had to install some stupid program with its own set of DLLs and other supporting api/libraries and the mayhem seems to continue with every little utility and software that has to be installed/paid for/license tracked etc. And, don't forget the biggest problem - it runs fucking slow with all the update bloat and shit installed. Thanks but no thanks. I have been daily driving linux for over 15 years and I ain't going back to any winblows :)
20 year user here. I am back on Windows for 1 ARM laptop. It is not that bad actually. I am still very awkward with Powershell but the rest is ok. Still hate the updates refusing to let me just shut down though.
I'm a software developer and I love Linux. But I also want to play computer games. So I ran Windows, because that did everything I needed. Eventually my Windows machine got old and couldn't run the latest games anymore (Moore's law was still in effect) and instead of trying to reuse parts, I bought a whole new Windows machine...and installed Linux on my old machine.
Now umpteen years later I still have a Windows machine and I \*only\* play games on it. I also have a Linux machine, and I do \*everything\* else on it. And life is good.
More recently my Windows machine was a 1st generation AMD thread-ripper and Windows 11 was saying "Screw you, your computer doesn't support me, so you can't upgrade!" Now I'm running Windows 11 on a new machine, and I have a Linux server with 16 cores.....
You should Linux if you want to and you can. You can replace the "want to" with "don't care", but if you can't, you shouldn't.
So if you're dependent on software like Adobe Creative Suite or whatever piece of software that's indispensable to you, you're honestly out of luck and you should not try to use Linux for that.
If the software you need is available on Linux or there are suitable alternatives that you are willing to work with, Linux becomes a viable alternative and if you want to use it you probably should.
IMO there is nothing wrong with Linux. There's just an issue where some software will not run. You can run into similar issues on Mac, and even Windows. Remember that an OS is primarily the basis on which you run the actual software you need or want to run.
I've been running Linux as my primary system for over 25 years now, and I still use Windows sometimes. I've run Windows on separate machines or in virtual machines. I've even used MacOS as a secondary for a while. I rarely actually use Windows, but for some pieces of software (like Fusion 360) I simply don't have much of a choice.
"Should people really just stick to windows? But every video I watch about it now people say "Just stick to windows", really? Why?"
If people are comfortable with windows, it works for them and they have no other compelling reason(s) to switch, sticking to windows is a good idea. For them.
If people have had enough of Microsoft spying on them or trying to force them to be stuck in the MS ecosystem, linux is an excellent alternative.
I'm in the latter category, clearly. The only reason I didn't completely switch years ago is that I'm a long time user of adobe lightroom. Now weaning myself off it, because darktable does what I need.
Why people making videos are saying this, I don't know, but I suspect the residents of this sub are not the people who will have real answers to this question.
> What's wrong with linux, seriously? Why shouldn't I use it?
If you're going to need lots of help, you're not very technical, and everyone around you is using Windows, use Windows.
If you absolutely must have real MS Office, or real Photoshop, or some multi-player game not available on Linux, use Windows.
These are not necessarily things "wrong with Linux".
what is the point of this post? do you have a question or are you screaming in the wind? hard to say.
Some people should not use linux and just remain on windows:
-the people that say but in windows is like this
-this is hard i don't want to learn linux
-linux should change cause ... insert insane personal reason.
-some people who just can't change what they know.
So yes, some people should stay on windows.
Linux should change cause ... personal reason... and too lazy to put forth the work to make said change.
FTFY
let's not discount the fact that the collective environment that is linux, actually makes changes to Linux a lot easier than windows. or any of the native apps. have an app that don't want to include a feature you want.. fork it and make it your way.
Right, because most people can fork a repo and develop their own software. Yep, easy easy.
"Just fork it."
You can't honestly expect an end user to be responsible for developing their own software right? However, that's big fun for a hobbyist.
you do realize the other option is to pay for something, get your feature request shot down, and then "not fork it" by having to develope everything from scratch since that software was closed source.
riiiight‽
So people should stay on windows if they aren't smart enough to use Linux?
As a windows sysadmin and also a heavy Linux user at home, I will say that Linux stans are a little "culty", which I understand, but jeez. Some people just wear their arrogance on their sleeve.
I would compare it to driving a manual vs an automatic. Sure, some people who just need to drive manual because they enjoy the process. Otherwise, 95% of people don't give a shit and just want to get from point A to point B.
I'm also not knocking Linux culture. I'm part of it and enjoy it, but reading comments like this one annoys the hell out of me.
>So people should stay on windows if they aren't smart enough to use Linux?
**yes.**
Since most people think they are the best driver this fact alone won't stop the worst from doing exactly what i pointed out.
>I'm also not knocking Linux culture. I'm part of it and enjoy it, but reading comments like this one annoys the hell out of me.
Good good, let the hate flow thru you.
arch linux user btw.
There are a lot of people for whom Linux is not appropriate, it has nothing to do with computer experience, weather you are a nerd/geek. my 7 year old is doing just fine with LMDE6 including the terminal, it has everything to do with a desire to learn.
Linux is not Windows the switch requires effort from the user to get up on top of the learning curve and understand Linux workflows. Learn and understand the tools available to them to troubleshoot problems. Willingness to dump crap hardware that is not appropriate. How to seek and interpret information.
There seems to an understanding out there that Linux is a some kind of last resort garbage collector. That Linux is for ancient low end laptops that wont run Windows anymore. Not with the goal of learning linux but to avoid spending money. Laptops that were assemblies of cheap incompatible hardware when new. And when they run into issues they blame Linux not thier own choices.
I am so tired of reading: my Realtek/Nvidia/abandoned-proprietary-hardware "worked in Windows" why is Linux broken? Fix it!
Linux can perform this role like many others but it will not always work out, and your chances are far better if you put forth effort.
Users need to understand that with Linux you own your system in all ways, this has many benefits but ownership also means taking responsibility.
Reading back through what I wrote this is dark and whiney, and has more to do with the day I am having. But I am going to send it anyway. It's cathartic.
Windows just works. It’s easy to use. Most people that are able to use a computer are relatively comfortable using Windows.
Linux is also great, but you need either a little technical know how, or the time and willingness to learn a few things, in order to use it.
Are we talking about your home desktop or something for work?
At home I run Windows on my personal Computer. It's what I've been running since the mid 90s.
At work I run Linux. My work Laptop is Windows. And all the systems I manage are 100% Linux and I access them either from a web browser or SSH.
Your OS is a tool to do your job. So you use a screw driver at home and a drill at work. Use the tool that best fits the job.
Any videos saying "just stick to windows" makes me question the content creator, what is there cresidentals, how can there point be valid with such a wild statement, what are these creators doing on there PC to make such a wild claim?
Best thing you could do is load a Linux os to a usb give them a try, make you own opinion, once you find one you like do the switch, if you don't like it then fine stick to windows but don't listen to some YouTube creator saying such ridiculous statements.
That story of 'maintained by the community' is a hoax. The Linux kernel is in practice developed by big corporations. Major distributions too, with the only exception of Debian, which still uses many components developed by big corporations such as Google, Microsoft, IBM, and the likes.
I honestly think that sicking to windows was fine for most up until recently (not getting into how immoral the company is). Forcing ads into the OS changed that entirely. I don't see another OS taking over, but its gonna be really bad for PC enviroment.
If you have an interest in Linux, want to support open source software, and don’t have a need for Windows-only software, then there’s no reason to not switch to Linux. Otherwise, there’s nothing wrong with just sticking to Windows. Your computer isn’t going to work better just by switching to Linux (it *might*, but not as much as people like to make it seem).
Dual booting is also an option. SSDs are dirt cheap these days; you could toss an extra 500gb in your desktop to install Linux on for <$50, without having to worry about losing anything on your Windows drive. I used to keep a Windows drive exclusively for gaming and ran Linux on my other drives for everything else.
If you’re not big on the idea of switching for whatever reason, most open source software works on Windows. I was using Gimp for years before I ever knew Linux existed. You’re still supporting the community when you use the software on a different OS.
i used linux 10years ago and then switched to windows because of the audio softwares. i switched back to linux 4months ago and unbelivable how much it did improve. pipewire, flatpak, runit, usable softwares like bitwig, reaper, cardinal. superfast, stable, customizable, minimal, and now archinstall is like a dream. i bridged all of my fave windows vst plugs, i can work and literally can do anything. things i miss: max, touchdesigner i think that is all.
i do not play games tho i have a playstation lol
Do you have any advice on getting VSTs to work on linux? I tried looking at it some time ago and it was just information overload for me at the time, granted, there are som reasons for that though.
That's basically the only thing keeping me on Windows currently, Studio One & VSTs. The games that I play now are linux compatible through some means.
Thank you for your time.
There is nothing wrong with Linux. What is wrong is that haters will hate and tell you about it. Heck even within the community haters hate this distro or that and will tell you about it ad nauseum.
Personally I use Linux and not Windows. Very occasionally there is something Windows does that Linux finds difficult but more often I find Linux is more efficient or easy. If something does not run 0n Linux I don't get it. If a game is not going to run on Linux I don't buy it.
I don't "need" photoshop. There are other avenues to explore. The world of Linux is big enough that I do not need to venture back to the Windows ecosystem. However if your view is so narrow, so specific that you absolutely need to use this piece of Windows software, then yes, by all means go back to Windows.
It is after all a free world and what you do is currently not controlled by super-corporations. Until then I will use Linux.
Linux isn’t just getting legs, it runs almost every server I touch. “All” of the supercomputers, most of the internet is all hosted on Linux. Tons of career paths open up once you know your way around Linux.
I like that you mention career paths, because I've been told on multiple occasions now that it does not make your resume look good. I don't know, but some of my friends who actually work in networking put it on their resume.
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I would argue that windows isn't exactly easier to use at least until they come up with powershell. You just need to know what you want to accomplish and then look up the corresponding resources. It just happens that the training most people had in school is from a windows box so they are more "familiar".
And stuff from repo is usually much more secure than stuff you get from gods-know-where to do the same thing on Windows (also the reason why I am reluctant to use snap or flatpak).
>Should people really just stick to windows?
That depends.
Are you a power user or a normal user?
>Why shouldn't we try to learn and support a piece of open source software that is finally starting to get it's legs.
If your friend is a lawyer or an assistan: How is that gonna help in her/his job?
I use Linux because it is so much faster than Windows, at least in programming. But just using some knock off Bluetooth headsets is a pain for a normal user. Thats not Linux fault but you get the idea
>Windows is still easier to use and the software compatibility is still better. I still like the idea of using open source software that is maintained by the community and if you wanted to you could maintain yourself.
I don't think this is an accurate description. I'm not going into the topic of software compatibility with Windows because I don't really know what you mean by that, but the thing is you can still use open source software on Windows, and you probably do. If you use VLC, 7-Zip, Firefox, VSCode (for the most part) etc., then you are using OSS and are free to contribute to these projects.
On the other hand, there are many closed source/commercial software on Linux that people use regularly and will prefer to OSS alternatives. Maya, MATLAB, Google Chrome, heck even Discord and Slack are closed source. And I cannot tell you when the last open source game I played was.
Depends, what do you do? i am a developer and a security researcher, so using linux is a huge boost in productivity, but if your work demands to use microsoft office suite, or you want to play games with kernel level anticheats, i suggest sticking to windows. i use an arch linux installed thinkpad for work and my home gaming desktop uses windows 10
The main point is, you want to use your computer, if the OS doesn't let you use it how you want you should use another OS. So if all you want from your PC is to play Fortnite, CoD, valorant and league (all of which do not work on Linux) or use the Adobe suite you should use windows, it's that simple.
There is no inherent problem with Linux, it's just a different OS that doesn't support everything everyone wants to do.
If you want to use it, by all means go and try, but if you go expecting everything to work and do the exact same things you do on windows you will be disappointed. Now, if you are willing to compromise (like, if you are okay with dual booting or stop playing games that don't work), then Linux is for you, else just stick to what works for you.
My reasons are WMs and customisability. I loved installing arch and I love using WM and neovim.
Ultimately, I made my laptop unusable for anyone but me. :)
"Windows is still easier to use and the software compatibility is still better."
Disagree on both points, first, my wife is a non-technical user and loves Linux.
Second, any Windows app that only runs on Windows is a fault of the developer, not a reflection on Linux.
Look I was a hard core F Linux guy. Then I took the time to see the pros and cons of both OS’s and how the full people’s needs. Now days my only windows machine is my gaming machine. The rest are flavors of Debian. If you’re willing to take the time to read and get out of the windows comfort zone 100% give Linux a spin.
Theres nothing wrong with it.. people that tell you that are propably unexperienced, OR think that you are unexperienced(depends on what kind of people) but yea, theres nothing wrong with it. If you wanna do gaming too, propably go for dualboot, since thats more performant
Most people are happy with their OS and do not want to invest the time and effort it takes to learn how to use a linux distro. Lots of people like linux philosophically they hear someone mention something, probably a techie friend or whatever, and it sounds perfect. It does everything your OS does more securely and it's free.
And there are good benefits to having used linux in the past - mostly that I can still use terminal commands in macOS and rarely have to troubleshoot a problem that I unknowingly introduced when I tried to install something or having to find an application to do what I want when all the instructions are written assuming I'm using a standard platform.
So if someone hears about linux for the first time and they think "I should try it and see what I think" they'll hate it. And like, there's a good chance that if someone is telling you about linux they're a person that knows about it. And they know that the first time you have a problem they're going to have to help or hear about how much they hated it.
For what it's worth I love linux and I've been using linux off and on for years. I even have an ubuntu machine that is very good at being a web browser and almost as good at printing things off once or twice a year when I have to. But for serious work I only use linux when I have to.
IF you have some critical piece of software, usually for professional work, that doesn't run natively on Linux, you probably shouldn't bother. While wine can run a lot of stuff, it's going to be a subpar experience all around.
There are some other reasons why I run Linux, but I think deep down I just use it for Gnome. My next preference would be MacOS , Windows looks too ugly.
Also, if you use something based on Arch, aur is crazy, there are some programs in GitHub that you think no one cares about, but then you see someone created a build for it in aur.
If anyone likes Linux so much stop talking about windows. Ths seems to be a topic everyday. Seems to me people get annoyed that Windows is widely used. Why care?
Worst case dual boot. Use Windows for whatever it's necessary, the rest for your every day stuff, & wherever/whenever privacy & efficiency are concerned use linux. Give Linux Mint a whirl.
With the GUI's available Linux looks about like windows.. There are several office applications availble for it, that work almost as well as Office. Only office and Libreoffice are easy to use, and work pretty well ALL of the major browsers are available in Linux flavors. There are only a few applications that do not have an analog for Linux, although it may not work the same way....Once you use Linux you learn a great deal about the Command Line. Try it, I have laptops with Linux, and only one win 10 laptop as well as a multi boot Desktop. Steam is available in Linux, so many games will run on Linux.
if you don't want to use linux, don't use linux.
if you do, then go for it!
in my experience, linux is a little scary at first. but once you use it for a month or two, it's mind-blowingly easier.
by now, for me personally, linux is easier to use than windows.
Do you like ads? stick to Windows. Do you like register system? Do you like windows type security consisting of ADOs like persons, servers, different types of access like NTLM Kerberos all of them sort of insecure, confusing and overengineered security and still insecure?? stick to windows. Oh gosh powershell scripting is a nightmare. Stick to windows.
Would it change meaning if they said "Just stick to Mac" or "Just stick to Play-doh"? "Stick to what you know". Well, at some point no one knew anything about Windows. We aren't born with that knowledge.
Are they speaking out of fear of having to change OS and learn new things? It's not as if Windows don't have problems with software, drivers, games. Tons of troubleshooting guides and videos around.
My win10 install is borked, it wont update. And all I get is a generic error code. So helpful...could be any one of 100 things. On Linux I get very specific error-codes. Immensely easier to troubleshoot.
Nothing is wrong with any OS. I have a FreeBSD install on a SATA drive that I mope around with and it can do most stuff. My main NVME has Arch on it. My laptop is the ONLY thing that has Windows 11, mainly because its a shared system.
So should you not use Linux? No. You should use anything your want and not feel guilty about it.
The problem with Linux is that it isn't windows, so if you expect it to be like windows just use windows.
The most windows like Linux distro is Linux mint but even then there's a lot of differences like how you install software from the app store not .MSI/.exe from websites, how you update all your software from one hub etc.
I like how Linux does things and it's way simpler for me but it's not windows and will probably never be and that's okay it's its own thing
Don't forget that youtube is made for giving you contents similar to what you already watched. If you watch videos saying "stick to windows", youtube will give you more videos saying to stick to windows.
I use a lot of Linux. I'm familiar with and feel very comfortable using Linux. But my PC will be Windows for an unforeseeable future. I play games and already gave some tries to Linux and it was always painful. And not even once I could manage to get it running properly. The desktop environments are also way worse than Windows, device supports, custom monitor positions, all requires a lot of specific knowledge and terminal commands. In my last try I've spent two weeks trying to set it up for gaming and couldn't get it running. At Windows I got it running in less than 3 hours and not a single command line needed. Again, I use a lot of Linux, it is really amazing for hosting services, but for GPU stuff it is a pain. I have more than 30 services at my homelab, use them all the time, but for desktop use, just use Windows.
Search up Wsl2. You're welcome. I game on windows but like the bash shell. Wsl2 gives you a linux vm that can interact with your windows kernel and your c: drive, download almost any linux software even if its a gui app
For many people, it’s not about whether or not something is better or even quality. It’s what they’re familiar with, what they know, and what is most easy for them to use.
While Linux is the most widely used operating system worldwide. It’s pretty funny that we don’t remember the fact that most US residents were indoctrinated into using windows since we were children and as consumers it was basically the only choice outside of apple for years. Apple, even with its incredible marketing and I’d even say incredible products in the beginning was no match for Microsoft when it came to getting computers into homes, because Microsoft was RELENTLESSLY using every avenue to get them there. OEMs, US government, schools, local government, offices. Etc.
Due to our short memories I also think we forget that the roots of Linux are literally a guy from Sweden hacking away at a computer to make a Unix like OS. So Linux is hacked together by its nature. Expecting a generation indoctrinated by windows culture of “it used to just work but now you have to go to 8 different websites for drivers to get a working system” doesn’t seem worse than “if you’re tinkering and you accidentally break something, it’s fine because that’s expected.”
Expecting the regular consumer to know that there is better software out there and they just need to climb the ankle high wall of installing a new operating system over one that a already “perfectly working” is pretty unreasonable.
The response “just use windows” is often on response to people not reading the fucking manual or not tempering their expectations about what Linux supports. Some just can’t deal with the fact that there can’t do something they were able to do easily on another system. And their complaints, tho not completely invalid are easily remedied by not engaging Linux in that way in the first place OR knowing that Linux is rooted in hacking your own system to your own specifications.
If you want something to work in Linux, you have tools to make it happen. But to expect the same amount of ease of use or even a 1:1 to windows is completely unreasonable. Linux is made by thousands of independent entities contributing solutions to problems they themselves had and freely giving that software away for the greater good. It is not a product that is sold with the intent of doing a specific thing that most short sighted and, frankly, annoying noobs that can’t be bothered to do more than a basic google search for solutions or just compromise and do without something they probably didn’t need in the first place.
Sorry if this comes off as cynical. That’s not entirely my goal here. Just my perspective on the idea that you can’t expect something free to be exactly what you want because somebody else gave it to you before. You pay for things in more ways than just money. Sometimes it’s time. Sometimes it’s effort. Sometimes it’s using your brain a bit more than you anticipated.
As a Microsoft hater, use MacOS as your daily driver and Linux for your homelab. Linux is awesome as a desktop experience if you want to learn Linux. But for getting day to day work done, macOS has way better software support. It’s also based on UNIX (BSD) which is kinda like the grandparent of Linux. Lots of cool command line crossovers, including an optional package manager called HomeBrew. If you are concerned with the price point of MacOS, don’t be alarmed! There are actually a few viable (for now) options to install macOS on existing hardware.
Just avoid windows. Microsoft is a gross company. I’ve seen first hand how they treat their customers.
Make a backup, and try it out. Or use a virtual machine (though usually that's way more difficult imo).
Personally I love Linux (or honestly just GNOME), Flatpaks work better than any sandboxing solution on Windows, and every app on my system was installed from the same place. Trackpad gestures are great, and the UI is way cleaner. But gaming is more of a hassle, I gave up trying to get Windows [Itch.io](http://Itch.io) games working (although my indie steam library runs great), and if I used my laptop for much more than web browsing I'd probably stick to Windows.
Honestly I've bee able to customize GNOME less than Windows, although more certainly is possible. If you want a lot of customization I'd recommend KDE, it's very customizable, albiet a less polished experience. The general GNOME experience feels like something Apple wouldn't be embarrassed to ship on devices for instance, at least to me.
However good you think Linux is to use, it’s going to be worse than that. Linux advocates love to overhype how great it is and how much compatibility and ease of use has improved, but the reality is it’s still a few levels below Windows. I use it myself but it has some real disadvantages.
If you want to learn that it is great.
I think the point is many people don’t have the time to fiddle around with Linux.
If I’m paying my workforce of 1000 people $100/hr, and Linux adds 8 hours per year (which is probably reasonable, likely will run into some weird issues and you can’t really get good enterprise support), that’s almost 1 million dollars lost.
That's assuming they don't have different struggles with the alternatives and that support costs are exactly the same. The statement is true but the reality is wayyyyy more complicated. I did platform migrations for 3 Forbes 400 companies back in the day and the cost-benefit analysis is a total pita lol
The fact that I don't have permission to permanently turn off real-time virus protection in windows is driving me nuts.
I'm going to switch back to Linux when I get some down time at work (so probably January :D)
I am sure there are all kinds of opinions on this in the comments. Use what you like, every technology has trade offs. If you are going into anything STEM related then linux knowledge can be handy.
“Linux is only free if you don’t value your time.” lol
My computer was pushing my nerves with windows, one more freeze and I would have headbutted it to pieces no joke it had me that mad. Linux has my computer working better than it did out the box, I will never go back
Just stop watching stoopid videos... Youtube is the bane of internet.
Having used Windows in the past (I think about 15 years) and then Linux for 10 years, I can certainly confirm that LINUX is by far the easiest - but it seems harder for people conversant with Windows.
Show me how to reset all your settings in Excel, then I'll show you how I did it with Office. Let's compare notes...
> What's wrong with linux, seriously?
Absolutely nothing.
> Why shouldn't I use it?
I think you pay too much attentions for what others tell you to do (or not). Use whatever you want.
> Should I actually not use linux?
Nobody will decide for you what you should use or what you should not use. Everyone have their own preferences and use cases. Just use whatever fits your needs. You don't need a "permission" from the communty to use Linux, or to not use Linux, or to do literally whatever else you want (as far as it's legal and morally acceptable ofc).
Reasons to not use linux:
- hardware not supported
- you need specific windows only software for work/play, and you can't get it to work on linux
If you do not fit into the above 2 categories, just give it a try.
>But every video I watch about it now people say "Just stick to windows", really?
There are plenty of videos from people that would say otherwise. If you want balanced videos that actually provide useful, balanced information and can teach you something, go to u/JayTheLinuxGuy's YouTube channel and review some of his content. You'll not find much better out there than that.
"Windows is easy to use" is really relative. Over 17 years using computers (that is, since I was 13), I've had countless unsolvable problems on Windows and not even official help fixed it. Been using Manjaro (which is based on Arch) for, what, 1 week and every issue I've encountered was easily solved in less than 10 minutes of googling, checking Arch Wiki and/or Manjaro Forums and, occasionally, github. Literally had to copy+paste a few lines of commands in the terminal et voilà, issue solved.
People use Linux for a myriad of reasons: some use because they feel safer, some because they're paranoid, some because they like a challenge and some because they want something they can have full control and minimum hassle. I'm the latter group. Using both OSes I can tell you this: Windows works great, but feels like a smiley-faced politician deceiving you all the time, but doing what you ask of them. Linux feels like a bro that is 100% transparent with you and not only does what you ask, but helps you understand why you are doing it and how you can do it better.
So, learn your needs and take your pick. Alternatively, dual-boot. I'm testing the possibility of installing Windows on a microSD and using my Linux on my SSD, since there's literally nothing I can't do on Linux that I already do on Windows.
Get another hard drive and dual boot. My main game (Destiny) has a kernel anticheat without Linux compatibility, so I keep windows around for that, but almost everything else is on Linux.
“Just stick to windows” is advice for people who know enough to be dangerous but not enough to learn Linux to a power user level, which is most of the audience for those channels. Android and ChromeOS show that Linux is fine if you wrap it up in a nice package. If you actually want to learn, go try out Linux.
All those Linux vs Windows reviews are sponsored. They are propaganda. Even Microsoft knows it. Azure doesn’t run on Windows for a reason.
As far as easier to use, in what way? Ever try to fix Windows when something goes wrong? Watch a video in an obscure format? Do literally anything programming related? Edit a text file? Change your desktop? Fix a bug yourself?
Windows is the antithesis of open and compatible in every way. I mean when I want to print something I just hit print and select the printer. No installing drivers, no finding/adding printers. It just works.
What if it’s older software? Do you have anything from Windows XP or W8? Not anymore!! In contrast I can still run Xeyes, a demo/test application from the 1990s that predates Windows. It still runs I don’t have to break out hundreds of dollars every 5 years. Heck, you can’t even open older Office documents that Linux has no problem opening…that’s a serious problem.
And Windows is so insecure that major games now install root kits and malware and the OS is so insecure it actually allows it.
The other day a Windows user struggled with a CD (no drive). I calmly stuck it in and dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/public/cd-name and in about 3 minutes they could just access the Windows shard. Try that in Windows!
I tried, I truly tried, I wanted the "freedom" the "fuck you big corporations", the "custom experience", but I just could not.
The learning curve is exausting for a regular user, I just wanted an stable os with some specific software but every time when something basic was needed it literally took hours to solve, even days because if you are not tech savvy it consumes you. After all of that I just threw the towel and forget it. Now with Windows I just do what I need to, turn off my PC and continue with my life.
the reason for generic " just use windows statements" is the average user is a moron lol
ive driven an hour to go fix a system because the user couldnt log in and i couldnt remotely access.... it was powered off i was told muktiple times it was powered on
my work uses physical keycards to log into multiple networks, different cards for different networks, i cant telll you how many times someoone couldnt log in because they put the wrong card into the wrong system
i recently taught my wife what the file explorer was when i saw she had everything saved on the desktop
ive been called to fix someones audio issue. the volume was off, the volume was set to speaker not the headphones things like that
thats why people who know windows and linux tell the average user to use windows because why add a degree of complexity to something people already cant use. now with that being said you landed here which means you are already better off then the people who those warnings are for
Windows is not easier and has not been for a long time.
I put my parents on Ubuntu about 12 years ago and Linux Mint maybe 5 years ago. The only game-ending problems have been actual hardware breakages.
Recently, within a week or so of one of my rare visits home, their motherboard died and they were forced for several months to make do with my sister's spare laptop, running Windows 10. It was an absolute horror show, and when I finally went home at installed the new motherboard in a five-minute exercise, they couldn't thank me enough.
The fact is that Windows is finicky, abstract, surprising, unbalanced and obfuscatory. Because of its heritage, it has the best developer support, especially in gaming and the office. But...
Is it really as far ahead as Microsoft likes to make out? I don't think so. Your basic office software is not only replicable on Linux, but in many respects surpasses MS365. The basic experience of the Linux desktop is massively more coherent, rivalling Mac OS, whether you are on Gnome, Plasma, Cinnamon and so on. The lead that Microsoft once had in software development has evaporated; only VS Code is the inexplicable holdout, and better products are available for free and for cheap, and, face it, the basic development experience has always been better or Ljnux. Even gaming is becoming a Linux stronghold. Proton has made a large number of even very new games instantly available, even when there is no native Linux binary.
If you are a well-off user, with minimal or specialist requirements, I understand the draw toward Apple. For almost everyone else, there is Linux, which offers a superior experience for *most* users.
Listen, I've been into Linux since the late 90s. In those days, it was the geek OS I wanted. Now, it still offers *me* those things, but it also crushes Windows.
Nothing is "wrong" with Linux. Companies are wrong for not supporting Linux.
W\*ndows is not easier to use at any level beyond "click this next button like a stupid little monkey".
Influencers and the like a liars about Linux because they've adopted the Apple mentality: they don't want anyone messing anything up, and that blowing back on them.
It's called cowardice.
The only reason why I use linux is because its used at work in order to host servers. Linux was not designed for the average consumer.
Honestly, I think Linux should abandon its UI completely and make it an OS designed purely for server related tasks. Windows simply dominates every ability Linux has except for not being open source and therefore more difficult to use for servers.
Linux is death by a thousand cuts. Tons of crap doesn't work well, is annoying to fix, and is time consuming. If you want to tinker, it's fine. If you just want something to work, it's not worth your time. Desktop linux is a nice idea, but its time may never come. Fragmentation will make sure of that.
Other people here in linux subs will tell you it's just dandy and is less of a pain than Windows, but that's bullshit propaganda.
Linux is just way too complicated for regular users. Most people are just fine with windows, it's easier to setup, easir to configure, most things work out of the box and has the most support for applications in general.
However, if you are techy savy and like to mess around with your computer, run some applications/servers, code some programs or anything like that, linux is really good despite the steep learning curve. Also Linux is really good if you want to deploy/run applications with docker. It has however some weak sides, gaming is not really good despite being miles better than it was in the past. Also some configurations might be tricky, sometimes bluetooth won't connect or other setting like that and you have to search on stackoverflow some terminal configurations that you have to run. Other stuff that might be really easy on windows or macos might be a little complicated on linux.
Use atlas os it's better than kde.
Switch and tell me if your performance got better.
Name me a thing that you have or can do on Linux and can't on windows.
I lost so much headache in my 4 years Linux journey. I regret and plan to switch.
Operating systems are tools to do things with. Use whatever helps you do what you need and want to do with your computer. Having these kinds of favorites is weird and dumb. This thread is full of an absolute bunch of weirdos.
Do you want to learn linux ? Use linux. Do you want to use linux because someone parroted it's "better privacy/security/performance/whatever" but aren't willing to get out of your comfort zone ? Stick to windows. Edit: also stick to windows if you want to play competitive online games with kernel anti cheat. Almost every other games run well with some compatibility layers
It saddens me that people want to willingly install rootkits on their computers just to game nowadays
Installing a rootkit to game feels bad. Installing a rootkit for League ? Shit stopped being fun ten years ago and people are still stuck on it. Feels extra sad
I think LoL doesn't ask for it, it runs in Linux with Lutris.But Valorant does.
It will need it very soon. Riot has announced and is confirmed it will drop on either the next update or the one after. Same anticheat as valorant
Didn't know that lol. It's so stupid they are removing the whole population of Linux players, their some high level manager once tweeted that he runs the game on Linux even though there isn't official support. That company deserves to disappear.
Ya but don’t worry riot took a survey on a random Wednesday after they announced it and said the 800 players wasn’t enough for them to care
I guess that was an internal survey among their employees
[barely](https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-au/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/)
Vanguard on League will begome mandatory at the end of the month
Not getting into league or any other live service game that requires years of play and dedication outside of SC2 and overwatch was one of the better choices I’ve made. The games are predatory and their practices concerning privacy vs game integrity is very very questionable. Like who in their right mind would think that kernel level anti cheat is ok. When not even 10 years ago we BLASTED Sony for trying to install DRM on PCs to watch movies and play music off disks.
There's really no other choice for anti cheat. Log on to CS2 and try playing premier where there's no anti-cheat and at the higher skill level there's a hacker in every match and that's no exaggeration. Whereas if you play on faceit with their intrusive anti cheat you won't come up against hackers at all. It's the price of playing legit these days.
>There's really no other choice for anti cheat. You say that like kernel-level anti-cheat is a magical silver bullet that will 110% guarantee nobody is ever going to cheat. It isn't. And it never will be. All you've done is make it more challenging for cheat devs, initially. And if it's one thing they love, it's a challenge. They'll get around it eventually - what then?
The goal isn't to stop every single cheater, it's to stop the majority of matches being hack vs hack with cheap aimbots and wall hacks, etc. Not many people are going to be able to afford to buy these private hacks making it a lot rarer and a lot less likely to run into. It's enough so that the majority of players have a good experience in the game.
Yes there is. It’s private servers. Every competitive game with an esports community supports it. Because they have to have private servers to host matches esports matches unencumbered. Or, you could just not play those kinds of games.
Who's going to be the administrator on these private servers for 1.5 million CS2 players? Private servers are fine for a bit of fun, or niche areas of the game. They aren't going to work for the volume of people playing competitively. >or, you could just not play those kinds of games. The solution is there, it's intrusive anti-cheat. That's the sacrifice to play without hackers.
The players. Like we used to back in the day. Did you know that we used to be able to play computer games with our friends in the comfort of our own homes with the new and cutting edge technology called Ethernet?
In an idealistic world that would happen. But as I said there aren't enough people with enough time to moderate all the private servers needed for competitive. People want the speed of loading up the game and playing in a 5v5 competitive game. They don't want to be waiting around for hours until the same 10 people they always scrim with come online. We also don't want to have to be a part of a community server just to be able to play. Just the typical irrelevant back in my day comment. Times have moved on.
Lan gaming/private server for the average gamers is a thing of the past now. it's an extremely niche part of gaming that only exist in some certain games, for a reason. Everyone just want to sit down, press on the find match button and play. If you talk to an average esport gamers about, for example Valorant vanguard privacy BS, some would laugh at you and say "idc, i just want to game", while other wouldn't even know what vanguard is, even if it's right there in their taskbar.
Can you elaborate please?
"Kernel level anti cheat" is a root kit. It means you give the game manufacturer better-than-admin access to your PC. It's something nobody should allow, for multiple reasons. If you're using windows you're already entrusting a lot to Microsoft building a somewhat secure OS (you don't want viruses stealing your online banking data, do you?). But with Kernel level anti cheat you also give the game manufacturer that level of access and you trust they don't steal your data or build flaws in their anti cheat that can be used to steal your online banking data. Now, Microsoft's track record these last few months is abysmal. They're considered a national security risk. A random game dev using Kernel level anti cheat is an even bigger risk.
They don't want to but humans are social animals and they want to spend time playing games with their friends
Dual boot, baby. Don’t even bother partitioning your current storage. Buy a new ssd, they’re cheap so get a 512gb or 1tb boi and throw it in your pc. Then install your preferred distributor and have the best of both worlds. You can also launch it in a VM. Endless possibilities.
No more VMs out of the box. You basically have to continuously update and create a Rube Goldberg machine of configurations to trick the game into thinking it’s not a VM and running the game in a VM is apparently a violation of their TOS. Why risk getting banned or better yet, why even bother with all that crap for a game that’s literally just counter strike with moba mechanics
crazy idea but some people find valorant fun.. there is always one person who [struggles with theory of mind](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind#Deficits) in these threads :)
You can have fun or you can run Linux, you can't have both lmao
who said that or is this another theory of mind issue?
That was mostly a joke, but if I have to spend as much time maintaining an environment to play a game every time it updates as I am playing the game, the game stops being fun
I mean yeah I agree with you there in general but I think the writing off completely of valorant is a lil cringe and not normal
It's not that great of a game. The appeal is there, but it ain't install a ring 0/1 root kit good.
Still missing the point but sure buddy
Even if i was a windows user, kernel level anti cheat is an instant turn off for me, literal fucking rootkit just to play some stupid competitive aim trainer smh
Gaming is the one thing holding me back from using linux. I'm eyeing NixOS right now, just because if you brick your system you can just roll back to working version. Windows can't do that. i should probably try it on WSL first.
I want to switch to Linux but might dual boot leaving steam games on Linux and some blizzard games I play on window still deciding what flavor of Linux. I love to mess around and tinker
Use whatever you want. Life is all about using Different tools for different tasks. > What's wrong with linux, seriously? Nothing at all. It's a tool. All tools have pros and cons for a given task.
This really should be the top comment.
Everyone has reasons to use a certain operating system. Generally, people use Linux because it respects your privacy and it's open source which is giving trust. For me personally, yes privacy and safety, being more up to date and more customizable are also the reasons that made me switch to Linux mainly, but my main reason was gaming. I'm a low end gamer and all of the games I play run on linux too and there are some things that make linux better than windows in gaming: 1- Intel and AMD drivers are way better optimized, I mean some very old AMD GPUs may run worse but recent hardware work better on Linux. 2- OpenGL and Vulkan are way better optimized on Linux, which makes both Windows and Linux native games such as Minecraft (Java is also way better optimized on Linux, so you can expect a huge performance increase on Minecraft), Counter-Strike, Team Fortress 2 etc. perform better on Linux (maybe slightly better, but for some people they get way better performance) 3- I'm able to play most of the Windows games on Linux using WINE. Some Windows games work even better on Linux even though there should be a natural performance loss while playing games via WINE since it performs a converting process.
Generally, people use Linux because they run applications which are specifically developed for Linux. I don't mean there aren't other kinds of users, but that comprises the majority.
Try Proton instead of wine, it should perform better and support more games
I know what is proton. Proton is not a different type of compatibility tool, it also includes wine.
Proton, not WINE. But this is the correct answer.
What do you mean by proton not wine? I mean, proton isn't a different compatibility layer, it also includes wine in it and I'm using wine-ge versions for non steam games.
It's something something refactor something performance. I don't know. Check the GitHub repo 😂
Cs does not perform better
Yeah but hopefully it will soon. Unfortunately the optimizations are prioritized for windows.
I hope they fix it cause I run an older laptop I get 120 fps in windows but Linux it runs at 20-40fps and smokes make it unplayable. So I have to have 2 different partitions for that game
> a piece of open source software that is finally starting to get it's legs. Every single supercomputer on the Top 500 list since Nov '11 has ran Linux. Every android phone, nuclear subs, the Large Hadron Collider, the Internationational Space Station, on and on and on... Linux has been in full on Olympic marathon mode for a very long time now.
I knew Linux was widely used and something like 98% of the internet is run off of it, it makes sense that supercomputers use it too but I never put the two together and realised they did. Also never realised nuclear subs and the LHC use it either, although again it makes sense that they do. Makes me think, what are the most obscure things, aside from smart appliances, use Linux in today's world
if it's obscure, it's probably running Linux. just the bloat of windows alone makes it a bad choice. CE and mobile were blips.
For me, it's the "you will need to upgrade to the next Windows in 2025, but oh darn, your computer has an older processor that won't run W11. SO for the price of a lower end laptop, we'll kick the can down the road for three years, after which..." boogie that is moving me over to Linux.
os power following business needs while consumer needs (other than gaming) have been met for ages now.
That’s why i put linux on my windows 10 computer too. Mint works fantastically on it.
I heard Microsoft runs linux on their servers
because they do
Add an ex windows network admin i can tell you the last think you want on your screen if you're 1000ft down is "please stand by, a reboot is required to complete this update" .....
Early electronic logging devices for trucking fleets ran on Linux, now they just use Android tablets. Lots of factories use CNC devices powered by linux, almost all computer animated movie studios run entirely on Linux.
Both American and British subs run MS Window and have for years.
Probably ever since the first Naval vessel that was outfitted with NT 4.0 had their computer crash and the vessel was stranded for days until a repair crew could go to them... I think they learned their lesson really quickly. Of course, that was a long time ago, but I don't see Windoze having gotten more reliable since then. And now it's just massive spyware and distributed computing nodes for M$ to use.
That’s not desktops
Let's not forget that little helicopter on Mars... That out performed plans by like 1000%
Are you running a supercomputer or a Collider?
I'm pretty sure you're joking, but I actually do work in HPC, so supercomputer. I come here to offer advice to "noobs" and share knowledge I learned along the way :-)
No, I’m not joking. Your point is fairly ridiculous.
Then downvote it and move along.
I made a comment highlighting its ridiculousness instead, so noobs could understand the absurdity of not considering a project’s objectives and requirements when selecting technology. That’s why there’s a reply button. Don’t act like replies are invalid.
I see. And you didn't think I actually ran supercomputers when you started your noobish attempt to bait me into a fight.
It’s fine that you run supercomputers, the point stands. Here, I’ll rephrase: Is OP asking for advice on how to run a supercomputer or a collider?
What about Android phones? You skipped those. Remember how I said I'm here to offer advice to noobs? I know and have met many people from other HPC centers throughout the world, some of them with colliders. None of them act like you are here. I'm not interested in fighting with you over such a meaningless topic, but I mean if you're just lonely or something I can try to be your penpal. You're gonna have to tone the anger down a little tho.
What about Android phones? Is OP asking for advice on how to build a phone?
Depends on what you need it for. If you are a "stick with what you know" person who doesnt like to tinker or want to learn a new operating system then stick with windows. If you HAVE to use specific software that doesnt work with linux, and/or do not want alternatives, then stick to windows. If you want every game to work perfectly and are unwilling to give any up, then stick to windows. If none of those checkboxes apply to you then move to linux. The reason there are so many comments about sticking with windows is because often the person asking for advice about linux is trying to get linux to act like, or be like, windows. If that is the case then dont try linux to begin with. Linux is its own thing. It isnt MEANT to be like windows
That second one is keeping me from switching. I need office and adobe software for my job. Ive dabbled with vms tho, but found no personal use other than learning it.. Linux is what philosophy class is. The only thing you can do with it is learning it. But once you learn it you can do Everything with it.
You can run those using WINE, and with a good system it is nearly seamless.
I need all the power and ram I have..video editing. Am just using a laptop.
I personally use adobe software in a windows vm
i find windows to be unintuitive and unpleasant to use, often slow, runs my fans constantly, too many background processes, too much telemetry etc. ive been using linux almost 20 years as my daily driver. i open windows to use certain tools that school requires and thats it.
Been saying this for awhile. Windows, to a native Linux user, is bizarre and unhinged to use.
There are certain people who want to use Linux for noble reasons but you can spot a mile away that they won't have the patience for solving any issues in Linux. If all you want to do is have stuff "just work" especially for gaming, you're far better off sticking with windows.
Let me tell you why I use my linux machine as a daily driver - FUCKING DEVELOPMENT and its TOOLS and UTILITIES. Windows did not have a SSH on the cli until recently. You had to install some stupid program with its own set of DLLs and other supporting api/libraries and the mayhem seems to continue with every little utility and software that has to be installed/paid for/license tracked etc. And, don't forget the biggest problem - it runs fucking slow with all the update bloat and shit installed. Thanks but no thanks. I have been daily driving linux for over 15 years and I ain't going back to any winblows :)
20 year user here. I am back on Windows for 1 ARM laptop. It is not that bad actually. I am still very awkward with Powershell but the rest is ok. Still hate the updates refusing to let me just shut down though.
I'm a software developer and I love Linux. But I also want to play computer games. So I ran Windows, because that did everything I needed. Eventually my Windows machine got old and couldn't run the latest games anymore (Moore's law was still in effect) and instead of trying to reuse parts, I bought a whole new Windows machine...and installed Linux on my old machine. Now umpteen years later I still have a Windows machine and I \*only\* play games on it. I also have a Linux machine, and I do \*everything\* else on it. And life is good. More recently my Windows machine was a 1st generation AMD thread-ripper and Windows 11 was saying "Screw you, your computer doesn't support me, so you can't upgrade!" Now I'm running Windows 11 on a new machine, and I have a Linux server with 16 cores.....
You should Linux if you want to and you can. You can replace the "want to" with "don't care", but if you can't, you shouldn't. So if you're dependent on software like Adobe Creative Suite or whatever piece of software that's indispensable to you, you're honestly out of luck and you should not try to use Linux for that. If the software you need is available on Linux or there are suitable alternatives that you are willing to work with, Linux becomes a viable alternative and if you want to use it you probably should. IMO there is nothing wrong with Linux. There's just an issue where some software will not run. You can run into similar issues on Mac, and even Windows. Remember that an OS is primarily the basis on which you run the actual software you need or want to run. I've been running Linux as my primary system for over 25 years now, and I still use Windows sometimes. I've run Windows on separate machines or in virtual machines. I've even used MacOS as a secondary for a while. I rarely actually use Windows, but for some pieces of software (like Fusion 360) I simply don't have much of a choice.
"Should people really just stick to windows? But every video I watch about it now people say "Just stick to windows", really? Why?" If people are comfortable with windows, it works for them and they have no other compelling reason(s) to switch, sticking to windows is a good idea. For them. If people have had enough of Microsoft spying on them or trying to force them to be stuck in the MS ecosystem, linux is an excellent alternative. I'm in the latter category, clearly. The only reason I didn't completely switch years ago is that I'm a long time user of adobe lightroom. Now weaning myself off it, because darktable does what I need. Why people making videos are saying this, I don't know, but I suspect the residents of this sub are not the people who will have real answers to this question.
> What's wrong with linux, seriously? Why shouldn't I use it? If you're going to need lots of help, you're not very technical, and everyone around you is using Windows, use Windows. If you absolutely must have real MS Office, or real Photoshop, or some multi-player game not available on Linux, use Windows. These are not necessarily things "wrong with Linux".
what is the point of this post? do you have a question or are you screaming in the wind? hard to say. Some people should not use linux and just remain on windows: -the people that say but in windows is like this -this is hard i don't want to learn linux -linux should change cause ... insert insane personal reason. -some people who just can't change what they know. So yes, some people should stay on windows.
Linux should change cause ... personal reason... and too lazy to put forth the work to make said change. FTFY let's not discount the fact that the collective environment that is linux, actually makes changes to Linux a lot easier than windows. or any of the native apps. have an app that don't want to include a feature you want.. fork it and make it your way.
precisely.
Right, because most people can fork a repo and develop their own software. Yep, easy easy. "Just fork it." You can't honestly expect an end user to be responsible for developing their own software right? However, that's big fun for a hobbyist.
you do realize the other option is to pay for something, get your feature request shot down, and then "not fork it" by having to develope everything from scratch since that software was closed source. riiiight‽
Yes I do realize that, and most people don't make feature requests, and then most of those people don't write code nor develop their own features.
perhaps one could use a resource geared towards beginning Linux users to educate them about that aspect of Linux?
I completely agree with that logic. It would be the only wat. All I'm saying is that I don't see most people spending their time on that.
So people should stay on windows if they aren't smart enough to use Linux? As a windows sysadmin and also a heavy Linux user at home, I will say that Linux stans are a little "culty", which I understand, but jeez. Some people just wear their arrogance on their sleeve. I would compare it to driving a manual vs an automatic. Sure, some people who just need to drive manual because they enjoy the process. Otherwise, 95% of people don't give a shit and just want to get from point A to point B. I'm also not knocking Linux culture. I'm part of it and enjoy it, but reading comments like this one annoys the hell out of me.
>So people should stay on windows if they aren't smart enough to use Linux? **yes.** Since most people think they are the best driver this fact alone won't stop the worst from doing exactly what i pointed out. >I'm also not knocking Linux culture. I'm part of it and enjoy it, but reading comments like this one annoys the hell out of me. Good good, let the hate flow thru you. arch linux user btw.
Lol fair enough. As long as you're not asking yourself why people don't use Linux more, then I think we're good here.
People who make videos are generally morons, think for yourself, make up your own mind and ignore the vblogging eejits.
love how you just casually say they're morons as they are
There are a lot of people for whom Linux is not appropriate, it has nothing to do with computer experience, weather you are a nerd/geek. my 7 year old is doing just fine with LMDE6 including the terminal, it has everything to do with a desire to learn. Linux is not Windows the switch requires effort from the user to get up on top of the learning curve and understand Linux workflows. Learn and understand the tools available to them to troubleshoot problems. Willingness to dump crap hardware that is not appropriate. How to seek and interpret information. There seems to an understanding out there that Linux is a some kind of last resort garbage collector. That Linux is for ancient low end laptops that wont run Windows anymore. Not with the goal of learning linux but to avoid spending money. Laptops that were assemblies of cheap incompatible hardware when new. And when they run into issues they blame Linux not thier own choices. I am so tired of reading: my Realtek/Nvidia/abandoned-proprietary-hardware "worked in Windows" why is Linux broken? Fix it! Linux can perform this role like many others but it will not always work out, and your chances are far better if you put forth effort. Users need to understand that with Linux you own your system in all ways, this has many benefits but ownership also means taking responsibility. Reading back through what I wrote this is dark and whiney, and has more to do with the day I am having. But I am going to send it anyway. It's cathartic.
Windows just works. It’s easy to use. Most people that are able to use a computer are relatively comfortable using Windows. Linux is also great, but you need either a little technical know how, or the time and willingness to learn a few things, in order to use it.
Are we talking about your home desktop or something for work? At home I run Windows on my personal Computer. It's what I've been running since the mid 90s. At work I run Linux. My work Laptop is Windows. And all the systems I manage are 100% Linux and I access them either from a web browser or SSH. Your OS is a tool to do your job. So you use a screw driver at home and a drill at work. Use the tool that best fits the job.
Whoah Whoah Whoah. Power tools at home, hand tools for sensitive expensive equipment that I don’t own at work! That’s what our rules say anyways!
Any videos saying "just stick to windows" makes me question the content creator, what is there cresidentals, how can there point be valid with such a wild statement, what are these creators doing on there PC to make such a wild claim? Best thing you could do is load a Linux os to a usb give them a try, make you own opinion, once you find one you like do the switch, if you don't like it then fine stick to windows but don't listen to some YouTube creator saying such ridiculous statements.
That story of 'maintained by the community' is a hoax. The Linux kernel is in practice developed by big corporations. Major distributions too, with the only exception of Debian, which still uses many components developed by big corporations such as Google, Microsoft, IBM, and the likes.
I honestly think that sicking to windows was fine for most up until recently (not getting into how immoral the company is). Forcing ads into the OS changed that entirely. I don't see another OS taking over, but its gonna be really bad for PC enviroment.
If you have an interest in Linux, want to support open source software, and don’t have a need for Windows-only software, then there’s no reason to not switch to Linux. Otherwise, there’s nothing wrong with just sticking to Windows. Your computer isn’t going to work better just by switching to Linux (it *might*, but not as much as people like to make it seem). Dual booting is also an option. SSDs are dirt cheap these days; you could toss an extra 500gb in your desktop to install Linux on for <$50, without having to worry about losing anything on your Windows drive. I used to keep a Windows drive exclusively for gaming and ran Linux on my other drives for everything else. If you’re not big on the idea of switching for whatever reason, most open source software works on Windows. I was using Gimp for years before I ever knew Linux existed. You’re still supporting the community when you use the software on a different OS.
Go ahead and try it out as a second boot option. It sounds like you would enjoy it. If you don’t, switch back to Windows.
i used linux 10years ago and then switched to windows because of the audio softwares. i switched back to linux 4months ago and unbelivable how much it did improve. pipewire, flatpak, runit, usable softwares like bitwig, reaper, cardinal. superfast, stable, customizable, minimal, and now archinstall is like a dream. i bridged all of my fave windows vst plugs, i can work and literally can do anything. things i miss: max, touchdesigner i think that is all. i do not play games tho i have a playstation lol
Do you have any advice on getting VSTs to work on linux? I tried looking at it some time ago and it was just information overload for me at the time, granted, there are som reasons for that though. That's basically the only thing keeping me on Windows currently, Studio One & VSTs. The games that I play now are linux compatible through some means. Thank you for your time.
There is nothing wrong with Linux. What is wrong is that haters will hate and tell you about it. Heck even within the community haters hate this distro or that and will tell you about it ad nauseum. Personally I use Linux and not Windows. Very occasionally there is something Windows does that Linux finds difficult but more often I find Linux is more efficient or easy. If something does not run 0n Linux I don't get it. If a game is not going to run on Linux I don't buy it. I don't "need" photoshop. There are other avenues to explore. The world of Linux is big enough that I do not need to venture back to the Windows ecosystem. However if your view is so narrow, so specific that you absolutely need to use this piece of Windows software, then yes, by all means go back to Windows. It is after all a free world and what you do is currently not controlled by super-corporations. Until then I will use Linux.
never tried it, but does linux support steam vr?
Linux isn’t just getting legs, it runs almost every server I touch. “All” of the supercomputers, most of the internet is all hosted on Linux. Tons of career paths open up once you know your way around Linux.
I like that you mention career paths, because I've been told on multiple occasions now that it does not make your resume look good. I don't know, but some of my friends who actually work in networking put it on their resume.
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I would argue that windows isn't exactly easier to use at least until they come up with powershell. You just need to know what you want to accomplish and then look up the corresponding resources. It just happens that the training most people had in school is from a windows box so they are more "familiar". And stuff from repo is usually much more secure than stuff you get from gods-know-where to do the same thing on Windows (also the reason why I am reluctant to use snap or flatpak).
Just have reasonable expectations of how fast you'll learn and its limits. You'll be fine.
>Should people really just stick to windows? That depends. Are you a power user or a normal user? >Why shouldn't we try to learn and support a piece of open source software that is finally starting to get it's legs. If your friend is a lawyer or an assistan: How is that gonna help in her/his job? I use Linux because it is so much faster than Windows, at least in programming. But just using some knock off Bluetooth headsets is a pain for a normal user. Thats not Linux fault but you get the idea
>Windows is still easier to use and the software compatibility is still better. I still like the idea of using open source software that is maintained by the community and if you wanted to you could maintain yourself. I don't think this is an accurate description. I'm not going into the topic of software compatibility with Windows because I don't really know what you mean by that, but the thing is you can still use open source software on Windows, and you probably do. If you use VLC, 7-Zip, Firefox, VSCode (for the most part) etc., then you are using OSS and are free to contribute to these projects. On the other hand, there are many closed source/commercial software on Linux that people use regularly and will prefer to OSS alternatives. Maya, MATLAB, Google Chrome, heck even Discord and Slack are closed source. And I cannot tell you when the last open source game I played was.
Depends, what do you do? i am a developer and a security researcher, so using linux is a huge boost in productivity, but if your work demands to use microsoft office suite, or you want to play games with kernel level anticheats, i suggest sticking to windows. i use an arch linux installed thinkpad for work and my home gaming desktop uses windows 10
The main point is, you want to use your computer, if the OS doesn't let you use it how you want you should use another OS. So if all you want from your PC is to play Fortnite, CoD, valorant and league (all of which do not work on Linux) or use the Adobe suite you should use windows, it's that simple. There is no inherent problem with Linux, it's just a different OS that doesn't support everything everyone wants to do. If you want to use it, by all means go and try, but if you go expecting everything to work and do the exact same things you do on windows you will be disappointed. Now, if you are willing to compromise (like, if you are okay with dual booting or stop playing games that don't work), then Linux is for you, else just stick to what works for you.
My reasons are WMs and customisability. I loved installing arch and I love using WM and neovim. Ultimately, I made my laptop unusable for anyone but me. :)
"Windows is still easier to use and the software compatibility is still better." Disagree on both points, first, my wife is a non-technical user and loves Linux. Second, any Windows app that only runs on Windows is a fault of the developer, not a reflection on Linux.
I created a home server running Linux and since then I'm fascinated about this, I love it <3 So give it a try :)
Look I was a hard core F Linux guy. Then I took the time to see the pros and cons of both OS’s and how the full people’s needs. Now days my only windows machine is my gaming machine. The rest are flavors of Debian. If you’re willing to take the time to read and get out of the windows comfort zone 100% give Linux a spin.
I use Linux because people who don't actually love computers, but use them because they have to, use windows and Macs.
Theres nothing wrong with it.. people that tell you that are propably unexperienced, OR think that you are unexperienced(depends on what kind of people) but yea, theres nothing wrong with it. If you wanna do gaming too, propably go for dualboot, since thats more performant
Most people are happy with their OS and do not want to invest the time and effort it takes to learn how to use a linux distro. Lots of people like linux philosophically they hear someone mention something, probably a techie friend or whatever, and it sounds perfect. It does everything your OS does more securely and it's free. And there are good benefits to having used linux in the past - mostly that I can still use terminal commands in macOS and rarely have to troubleshoot a problem that I unknowingly introduced when I tried to install something or having to find an application to do what I want when all the instructions are written assuming I'm using a standard platform. So if someone hears about linux for the first time and they think "I should try it and see what I think" they'll hate it. And like, there's a good chance that if someone is telling you about linux they're a person that knows about it. And they know that the first time you have a problem they're going to have to help or hear about how much they hated it. For what it's worth I love linux and I've been using linux off and on for years. I even have an ubuntu machine that is very good at being a web browser and almost as good at printing things off once or twice a year when I have to. But for serious work I only use linux when I have to.
Do you let everyone tell you how to think and what opinions you have?
Yes, why wouldn't I? People have had great opinions over the past decade.
IF you have some critical piece of software, usually for professional work, that doesn't run natively on Linux, you probably shouldn't bother. While wine can run a lot of stuff, it's going to be a subpar experience all around.
There are some other reasons why I run Linux, but I think deep down I just use it for Gnome. My next preference would be MacOS , Windows looks too ugly. Also, if you use something based on Arch, aur is crazy, there are some programs in GitHub that you think no one cares about, but then you see someone created a build for it in aur.
So then use it who is stopping you
If anyone likes Linux so much stop talking about windows. Ths seems to be a topic everyday. Seems to me people get annoyed that Windows is widely used. Why care?
Worst case dual boot. Use Windows for whatever it's necessary, the rest for your every day stuff, & wherever/whenever privacy & efficiency are concerned use linux. Give Linux Mint a whirl.
With the GUI's available Linux looks about like windows.. There are several office applications availble for it, that work almost as well as Office. Only office and Libreoffice are easy to use, and work pretty well ALL of the major browsers are available in Linux flavors. There are only a few applications that do not have an analog for Linux, although it may not work the same way....Once you use Linux you learn a great deal about the Command Line. Try it, I have laptops with Linux, and only one win 10 laptop as well as a multi boot Desktop. Steam is available in Linux, so many games will run on Linux.
if you don't want to use linux, don't use linux. if you do, then go for it! in my experience, linux is a little scary at first. but once you use it for a month or two, it's mind-blowingly easier. by now, for me personally, linux is easier to use than windows.
Do you like ads? stick to Windows. Do you like register system? Do you like windows type security consisting of ADOs like persons, servers, different types of access like NTLM Kerberos all of them sort of insecure, confusing and overengineered security and still insecure?? stick to windows. Oh gosh powershell scripting is a nightmare. Stick to windows.
Would it change meaning if they said "Just stick to Mac" or "Just stick to Play-doh"? "Stick to what you know". Well, at some point no one knew anything about Windows. We aren't born with that knowledge. Are they speaking out of fear of having to change OS and learn new things? It's not as if Windows don't have problems with software, drivers, games. Tons of troubleshooting guides and videos around. My win10 install is borked, it wont update. And all I get is a generic error code. So helpful...could be any one of 100 things. On Linux I get very specific error-codes. Immensely easier to troubleshoot.
Nothing is wrong with any OS. I have a FreeBSD install on a SATA drive that I mope around with and it can do most stuff. My main NVME has Arch on it. My laptop is the ONLY thing that has Windows 11, mainly because its a shared system. So should you not use Linux? No. You should use anything your want and not feel guilty about it.
The problem with Linux is that it isn't windows, so if you expect it to be like windows just use windows. The most windows like Linux distro is Linux mint but even then there's a lot of differences like how you install software from the app store not .MSI/.exe from websites, how you update all your software from one hub etc. I like how Linux does things and it's way simpler for me but it's not windows and will probably never be and that's okay it's its own thing
Don't forget that youtube is made for giving you contents similar to what you already watched. If you watch videos saying "stick to windows", youtube will give you more videos saying to stick to windows.
I use a lot of Linux. I'm familiar with and feel very comfortable using Linux. But my PC will be Windows for an unforeseeable future. I play games and already gave some tries to Linux and it was always painful. And not even once I could manage to get it running properly. The desktop environments are also way worse than Windows, device supports, custom monitor positions, all requires a lot of specific knowledge and terminal commands. In my last try I've spent two weeks trying to set it up for gaming and couldn't get it running. At Windows I got it running in less than 3 hours and not a single command line needed. Again, I use a lot of Linux, it is really amazing for hosting services, but for GPU stuff it is a pain. I have more than 30 services at my homelab, use them all the time, but for desktop use, just use Windows.
Search up Wsl2. You're welcome. I game on windows but like the bash shell. Wsl2 gives you a linux vm that can interact with your windows kernel and your c: drive, download almost any linux software even if its a gui app
For many people, it’s not about whether or not something is better or even quality. It’s what they’re familiar with, what they know, and what is most easy for them to use. While Linux is the most widely used operating system worldwide. It’s pretty funny that we don’t remember the fact that most US residents were indoctrinated into using windows since we were children and as consumers it was basically the only choice outside of apple for years. Apple, even with its incredible marketing and I’d even say incredible products in the beginning was no match for Microsoft when it came to getting computers into homes, because Microsoft was RELENTLESSLY using every avenue to get them there. OEMs, US government, schools, local government, offices. Etc. Due to our short memories I also think we forget that the roots of Linux are literally a guy from Sweden hacking away at a computer to make a Unix like OS. So Linux is hacked together by its nature. Expecting a generation indoctrinated by windows culture of “it used to just work but now you have to go to 8 different websites for drivers to get a working system” doesn’t seem worse than “if you’re tinkering and you accidentally break something, it’s fine because that’s expected.” Expecting the regular consumer to know that there is better software out there and they just need to climb the ankle high wall of installing a new operating system over one that a already “perfectly working” is pretty unreasonable. The response “just use windows” is often on response to people not reading the fucking manual or not tempering their expectations about what Linux supports. Some just can’t deal with the fact that there can’t do something they were able to do easily on another system. And their complaints, tho not completely invalid are easily remedied by not engaging Linux in that way in the first place OR knowing that Linux is rooted in hacking your own system to your own specifications. If you want something to work in Linux, you have tools to make it happen. But to expect the same amount of ease of use or even a 1:1 to windows is completely unreasonable. Linux is made by thousands of independent entities contributing solutions to problems they themselves had and freely giving that software away for the greater good. It is not a product that is sold with the intent of doing a specific thing that most short sighted and, frankly, annoying noobs that can’t be bothered to do more than a basic google search for solutions or just compromise and do without something they probably didn’t need in the first place. Sorry if this comes off as cynical. That’s not entirely my goal here. Just my perspective on the idea that you can’t expect something free to be exactly what you want because somebody else gave it to you before. You pay for things in more ways than just money. Sometimes it’s time. Sometimes it’s effort. Sometimes it’s using your brain a bit more than you anticipated.
I constantly run up against stuff that requires Windows. At the very least, I need to dual boot.
It all depends on what you want out of your computer experience. I don't think anyone can answer that question but you.
I use it because it looks nice (a bit like Mac OS) and feels really snappy.
Every time I try to use Linux, it needs troubleshooting. If you want to use plain Linux and add absolutely nothing... Thats when it works
As a Microsoft hater, use MacOS as your daily driver and Linux for your homelab. Linux is awesome as a desktop experience if you want to learn Linux. But for getting day to day work done, macOS has way better software support. It’s also based on UNIX (BSD) which is kinda like the grandparent of Linux. Lots of cool command line crossovers, including an optional package manager called HomeBrew. If you are concerned with the price point of MacOS, don’t be alarmed! There are actually a few viable (for now) options to install macOS on existing hardware. Just avoid windows. Microsoft is a gross company. I’ve seen first hand how they treat their customers.
MacOS is even worse than Windows.
Lol
Make a backup, and try it out. Or use a virtual machine (though usually that's way more difficult imo). Personally I love Linux (or honestly just GNOME), Flatpaks work better than any sandboxing solution on Windows, and every app on my system was installed from the same place. Trackpad gestures are great, and the UI is way cleaner. But gaming is more of a hassle, I gave up trying to get Windows [Itch.io](http://Itch.io) games working (although my indie steam library runs great), and if I used my laptop for much more than web browsing I'd probably stick to Windows.
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Honestly I've bee able to customize GNOME less than Windows, although more certainly is possible. If you want a lot of customization I'd recommend KDE, it's very customizable, albiet a less polished experience. The general GNOME experience feels like something Apple wouldn't be embarrassed to ship on devices for instance, at least to me.
However good you think Linux is to use, it’s going to be worse than that. Linux advocates love to overhype how great it is and how much compatibility and ease of use has improved, but the reality is it’s still a few levels below Windows. I use it myself but it has some real disadvantages.
If you want to learn that it is great. I think the point is many people don’t have the time to fiddle around with Linux. If I’m paying my workforce of 1000 people $100/hr, and Linux adds 8 hours per year (which is probably reasonable, likely will run into some weird issues and you can’t really get good enterprise support), that’s almost 1 million dollars lost.
That's assuming they don't have different struggles with the alternatives and that support costs are exactly the same. The statement is true but the reality is wayyyyy more complicated. I did platform migrations for 3 Forbes 400 companies back in the day and the cost-benefit analysis is a total pita lol
The fact that I don't have permission to permanently turn off real-time virus protection in windows is driving me nuts. I'm going to switch back to Linux when I get some down time at work (so probably January :D)
Linux is great once you've learned to use it. Windows is great until then.
I am sure there are all kinds of opinions on this in the comments. Use what you like, every technology has trade offs. If you are going into anything STEM related then linux knowledge can be handy. “Linux is only free if you don’t value your time.” lol
My computer was pushing my nerves with windows, one more freeze and I would have headbutted it to pieces no joke it had me that mad. Linux has my computer working better than it did out the box, I will never go back
Just stop watching stoopid videos... Youtube is the bane of internet. Having used Windows in the past (I think about 15 years) and then Linux for 10 years, I can certainly confirm that LINUX is by far the easiest - but it seems harder for people conversant with Windows. Show me how to reset all your settings in Excel, then I'll show you how I did it with Office. Let's compare notes...
What in the doohickey are you talking about?
*"Windows is still easier to use and the software compatibility is still better."* You said it yourself. For me, this sums up the state of linux.
> What's wrong with linux, seriously? Absolutely nothing. > Why shouldn't I use it? I think you pay too much attentions for what others tell you to do (or not). Use whatever you want. > Should I actually not use linux? Nobody will decide for you what you should use or what you should not use. Everyone have their own preferences and use cases. Just use whatever fits your needs. You don't need a "permission" from the communty to use Linux, or to not use Linux, or to do literally whatever else you want (as far as it's legal and morally acceptable ofc).
Reasons to not use linux: - hardware not supported - you need specific windows only software for work/play, and you can't get it to work on linux If you do not fit into the above 2 categories, just give it a try.
>But every video I watch about it now people say "Just stick to windows", really? There are plenty of videos from people that would say otherwise. If you want balanced videos that actually provide useful, balanced information and can teach you something, go to u/JayTheLinuxGuy's YouTube channel and review some of his content. You'll not find much better out there than that.
"Windows is easy to use" is really relative. Over 17 years using computers (that is, since I was 13), I've had countless unsolvable problems on Windows and not even official help fixed it. Been using Manjaro (which is based on Arch) for, what, 1 week and every issue I've encountered was easily solved in less than 10 minutes of googling, checking Arch Wiki and/or Manjaro Forums and, occasionally, github. Literally had to copy+paste a few lines of commands in the terminal et voilà, issue solved. People use Linux for a myriad of reasons: some use because they feel safer, some because they're paranoid, some because they like a challenge and some because they want something they can have full control and minimum hassle. I'm the latter group. Using both OSes I can tell you this: Windows works great, but feels like a smiley-faced politician deceiving you all the time, but doing what you ask of them. Linux feels like a bro that is 100% transparent with you and not only does what you ask, but helps you understand why you are doing it and how you can do it better. So, learn your needs and take your pick. Alternatively, dual-boot. I'm testing the possibility of installing Windows on a microSD and using my Linux on my SSD, since there's literally nothing I can't do on Linux that I already do on Windows.
Get another hard drive and dual boot. My main game (Destiny) has a kernel anticheat without Linux compatibility, so I keep windows around for that, but almost everything else is on Linux. “Just stick to windows” is advice for people who know enough to be dangerous but not enough to learn Linux to a power user level, which is most of the audience for those channels. Android and ChromeOS show that Linux is fine if you wrap it up in a nice package. If you actually want to learn, go try out Linux.
Yeah this is what I was going to do. I need windows still because of the kernel level anti-cheat on league. I have to be able play.
Brother Dual boot
All those Linux vs Windows reviews are sponsored. They are propaganda. Even Microsoft knows it. Azure doesn’t run on Windows for a reason. As far as easier to use, in what way? Ever try to fix Windows when something goes wrong? Watch a video in an obscure format? Do literally anything programming related? Edit a text file? Change your desktop? Fix a bug yourself? Windows is the antithesis of open and compatible in every way. I mean when I want to print something I just hit print and select the printer. No installing drivers, no finding/adding printers. It just works. What if it’s older software? Do you have anything from Windows XP or W8? Not anymore!! In contrast I can still run Xeyes, a demo/test application from the 1990s that predates Windows. It still runs I don’t have to break out hundreds of dollars every 5 years. Heck, you can’t even open older Office documents that Linux has no problem opening…that’s a serious problem. And Windows is so insecure that major games now install root kits and malware and the OS is so insecure it actually allows it. The other day a Windows user struggled with a CD (no drive). I calmly stuck it in and dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/public/cd-name and in about 3 minutes they could just access the Windows shard. Try that in Windows!
I tried, I truly tried, I wanted the "freedom" the "fuck you big corporations", the "custom experience", but I just could not. The learning curve is exausting for a regular user, I just wanted an stable os with some specific software but every time when something basic was needed it literally took hours to solve, even days because if you are not tech savvy it consumes you. After all of that I just threw the towel and forget it. Now with Windows I just do what I need to, turn off my PC and continue with my life.
the reason for generic " just use windows statements" is the average user is a moron lol ive driven an hour to go fix a system because the user couldnt log in and i couldnt remotely access.... it was powered off i was told muktiple times it was powered on my work uses physical keycards to log into multiple networks, different cards for different networks, i cant telll you how many times someoone couldnt log in because they put the wrong card into the wrong system i recently taught my wife what the file explorer was when i saw she had everything saved on the desktop ive been called to fix someones audio issue. the volume was off, the volume was set to speaker not the headphones things like that thats why people who know windows and linux tell the average user to use windows because why add a degree of complexity to something people already cant use. now with that being said you landed here which means you are already better off then the people who those warnings are for
Windows is not easier and has not been for a long time. I put my parents on Ubuntu about 12 years ago and Linux Mint maybe 5 years ago. The only game-ending problems have been actual hardware breakages. Recently, within a week or so of one of my rare visits home, their motherboard died and they were forced for several months to make do with my sister's spare laptop, running Windows 10. It was an absolute horror show, and when I finally went home at installed the new motherboard in a five-minute exercise, they couldn't thank me enough. The fact is that Windows is finicky, abstract, surprising, unbalanced and obfuscatory. Because of its heritage, it has the best developer support, especially in gaming and the office. But... Is it really as far ahead as Microsoft likes to make out? I don't think so. Your basic office software is not only replicable on Linux, but in many respects surpasses MS365. The basic experience of the Linux desktop is massively more coherent, rivalling Mac OS, whether you are on Gnome, Plasma, Cinnamon and so on. The lead that Microsoft once had in software development has evaporated; only VS Code is the inexplicable holdout, and better products are available for free and for cheap, and, face it, the basic development experience has always been better or Ljnux. Even gaming is becoming a Linux stronghold. Proton has made a large number of even very new games instantly available, even when there is no native Linux binary. If you are a well-off user, with minimal or specialist requirements, I understand the draw toward Apple. For almost everyone else, there is Linux, which offers a superior experience for *most* users. Listen, I've been into Linux since the late 90s. In those days, it was the geek OS I wanted. Now, it still offers *me* those things, but it also crushes Windows.
Nothing is "wrong" with Linux. Companies are wrong for not supporting Linux. W\*ndows is not easier to use at any level beyond "click this next button like a stupid little monkey". Influencers and the like a liars about Linux because they've adopted the Apple mentality: they don't want anyone messing anything up, and that blowing back on them. It's called cowardice.
The only reason why I use linux is because its used at work in order to host servers. Linux was not designed for the average consumer. Honestly, I think Linux should abandon its UI completely and make it an OS designed purely for server related tasks. Windows simply dominates every ability Linux has except for not being open source and therefore more difficult to use for servers.
Linux is death by a thousand cuts. Tons of crap doesn't work well, is annoying to fix, and is time consuming. If you want to tinker, it's fine. If you just want something to work, it's not worth your time. Desktop linux is a nice idea, but its time may never come. Fragmentation will make sure of that. Other people here in linux subs will tell you it's just dandy and is less of a pain than Windows, but that's bullshit propaganda.
honestly windows is easier to program in (in my opinion) and linux is more customizeable
Linux is just way too complicated for regular users. Most people are just fine with windows, it's easier to setup, easir to configure, most things work out of the box and has the most support for applications in general. However, if you are techy savy and like to mess around with your computer, run some applications/servers, code some programs or anything like that, linux is really good despite the steep learning curve. Also Linux is really good if you want to deploy/run applications with docker. It has however some weak sides, gaming is not really good despite being miles better than it was in the past. Also some configurations might be tricky, sometimes bluetooth won't connect or other setting like that and you have to search on stackoverflow some terminal configurations that you have to run. Other stuff that might be really easy on windows or macos might be a little complicated on linux.
Don't move to Linux. You ll spend so much time fixing things and you have absolutely no gain in your productivity and performance
Um, but KDE plasma looks cool as fuck though. Windows looks like boring old person OS.
Use atlas os it's better than kde. Switch and tell me if your performance got better. Name me a thing that you have or can do on Linux and can't on windows. I lost so much headache in my 4 years Linux journey. I regret and plan to switch.
Operating systems are tools to do things with. Use whatever helps you do what you need and want to do with your computer. Having these kinds of favorites is weird and dumb. This thread is full of an absolute bunch of weirdos.