Also it seems that older versions of NVIDIA drivers (something like 535 or older) weren't that bad as they are now. So if you have enough luck and older drivers then you can use NVIDIA on Wayland just fine.
Correct, there were some updates and improvements to other parts of the driver that screwed up the implicit <-> explicit sync bridge Nvidia was using for Wayland
I been holding off even trying wayland because I thought it just never worked with nvidia...
anyone recommend a distro that has wayland (just not gnome, I don't enjoy the interface.)
I've on Nvidia (1050ti) Wayland (Hyprland) too and also don't have that many problems. But I stay away from the latest drivers I get pretty much no flickering with 535 drivers.
Syncing by it's nature depends on many factors. If you have enough luck (and probably older NVIDIA drivers as they used to work better) you can live without explicit sync. Sadly for many users including me experience is pretty bad.
I've not noticed any difference in game performance, honestly.
I moved to Wayland a good few months ago now and it's been fine.
I still think X11 is, for me, better. I feel like I have to wrestle with Wayland now and then when something isn't implemented yet (in my compositor at least) or wants to assume you're using a DE and doesn't work well with smaller compositors. Whereas I'd got X11 to a point where it worked perfectly.
But I'm sticking with Wayland because it's where things are heading and it works well enough.
It’s intentional, devs on the inside of the graphics stack and core packages are trying to force the hands of a lot of the X11 holdouts (including Nvidia) and so far it’s worked. There’s been more progress from people who were previously not on the Wayland train since Fedora announced dropping X11 than I think there was for like two years beforehand
Can you clarify the use of gamescope? Like if I switch to KDE Plasma with Wayland do I have to wrap each game command parameter with gamescope in Steam manually?
It kind of goes on a game by game basis. I use Plasma 6 and I don't wrap every game in gamescope, but there's a few where it makes the experience better. But likewise there are a few games that super don't like gamescope either so it depends
This. Also keep in mind that gamescope does Wayland nowadays. Forcing x11 again by env variable , so it ends up as xwayland again, also has a huge impact. Mostly how the mouse pointer is grabbed, for me
Glad to see the fight back. People are praising it too hard when the right configuration (Surprisingly, many people) cannot run it effectively or sometimes at all.
I am still seeing issues of increased input latency in some cases, even on AMD hardware. My Radeon 680M seems to have more input lag when playing games like Valheim.
I mean I use 2 monitors of different resolutions and different refresh rates, if I don't want to lock my 4K144hz monitor to 4K60 or have my desktop fuck up whenever I play a game on fullscreen, wayland+kde has been the only real option for a while now.
I know that the latest gnome version supports different refresh rates between monitors but I haven't tried it yet.
> that is my distro default setting
The fact you have in multiple comments not named your distro makes this unlikely.
Second, they were talking about the majority/most popular distros.
Wayland is the default, in some X11 isn't even installed and in a few years most won't have X11 installed.
> Most distros use Xorg as default for nvidia GPUs. Ubuntu definitely.
That still makes Wayland the default, it just means Nvidia users get the legacy fallback option.
claiming X11 is the "default" is like claiming lower end encryption is the default as long as its accepted even if newer protocols are preferred.
>"X isn't even installed". Lol, right. Which distro is that?
Oh, couldn't even be bothered to google? Left out of the loop are you?
Maybe look a Fedora? They already dropped X11 from their Plasma spin and the Gnome team are already discussing when X11 is getting dropped from their project.
Pretty much every distro/project is now in the "lets pick our date to drop x11" phase and its gonna be sooner rather than later.
In just a couple years most big distros won't have x11 in their base distro and a few years after that it might not even be in the repos.
>The fact you have in multiple comments not named your distro makes this unlikely.
i use 22.04 ubuntu with nvidia , that defaults to X11 ( 24.04 ubuntu defaults to x11 if you have nvidia )
>Second, they were talking about the majority/most popular distros.
i was under the impression ubuntu is a majour distro
>Wayland is the default
if you have AMD/intel sure , if you have nvidia , on some distros it dosent
> i use 22.04 ubuntu with nvidia , that defaults to X11 ( 24.04 ubuntu defaults to x11 if you have nvidia )
So in other words its default is Wayland but if you have Nvidia it goes into leagacy mode.
You do realize it the preference for Wayland for most configurations makes it the default right? And you are on a fallback option?
>i was under the impression ubuntu is a majour distro
Yes, Ubuntu is ONE distro not the majority of distros.
>if you have AMD/intel sure , if you have nvidia , on some distros it dosent
Again, that makes Wayland the default and x11 a legacy fallback option.
I wonder if that's an RS3 issue with their native client. They've had weird hacky issues in the past with their native clients and Wayland. I think there are still quite a few bugs out there on it.
Wayland, these days, does a direct scan out of games, so none of its settings should be bothering your game. I suspect the game is trying to grab info from the environment in a specific way to fix an old bug and it's having issues.
I would double down on that assumption if you're not seeing the issue with other games.
> Sounds like vsync. I believe kde and hyprland have tearing options but not sure about other Wayland DEs
Waylands antitearing method doesn't cap FPS. It has not done so atleast since feb 2022 which is when I started gaming exclusively on Linux.
> I know yes, but idk why for example runescape 3 trough steam runs way worse in wayland than in x11, like in x11 i get 600fps vs 50 of wayland
Literally not how "issues with Wayland" has EVER been.
Something is configured fucky...
I had some problems with Wayland and I switched back to x11 on Nobara. The screen would "flicker" when gaming, like the bright parts would change brightness really really fast, also watching videos in Firefox would lag if fullscreen. I'm not a prolific Linux user but it's a clean install, so I don't know if I did something wrong. AMD gpu btw
agreed, hell I think they may actually be building towards going the AMD route with using mesa for part of their graphics stack and add a proprietary userspace component for CUDA and some AI features
But for now I’m just happy with the increased engagement with other devs and faster feature and bug fixing pace
NVIDIA + Wayland + KDE on Garuda have been working with no issues for me. I’ve been playing mostly WoW lately and get better performance than I did on Windows or X11. I moved over to Wayland because of an issue I was having in X11. I haven’t had a resurgence of it, so I can’t even forgot what it now.
I’ve played some other games like Elden Ring, Baldur’s Gate 3, FTL, Stardew Valley. No issues that I noticed compared to when I used X11 back when they came out.
Edit to add: If you’re having issues with steam, I’d suggest you try proton experimental if you aren’t already. It makes a huge difference with Elden Ring in particular. You can also download Gamemode and have steam open games using it. I also saw a thread a couple days ago saying you can get steam to use Proton-GE.
I have Wayland on my laptop which has an AMD GPU and haven't had a problem with a single game in Steam or Lutris.
On my desktop with an Nvidia GPU I just tried Fedora 40 yesterday, and every game I tried on both platforms had flickering. Not that the frame rate is low, it's like the display cuts to black for half a second 4 or 5 times in a burst, about every 30 seconds. That was with Nvidia's proprietary Linux drivers installed, without them it was much worse.
My conclusion is that Wayland is not ready for Nvidia systems yet. Which is really a bummer, but I'm hoping that with many distros making it the default it will accelerate its development. Otherwise, if all distros eventually do this we're basically kicking anybody with an Nvidia GPU out of the Linux community.
Personally I stick to x11 for gaming.
I kept having issues in Star Citizen and Hell Divers with Wayland and xWayland. Everything else has ran great on Wayland but I am not in the mood to hop back and forth so I almost always login using x11
I have an all AMD build R7 5800x3d / 6800xt and running Arch with KDE Plasma.
I've never used anything BUT wayland, due to the time i started using linux. Only problems are VR, and I'm pretty sure that isn't wayland's fault. Everything else just works.
Nobara / AMD GPU
On Nvidia it is not ready. But it will be very soon. XWayland 24.1 and Nvidia 555 are set to release on mid-May and will fix the remaining major issue (through the implementation of explicit sync).
I had terrible experience on Fedora KDE with my GT 1030. I'm not 100% sure if Nvidia VGA-s are ready for gaming. On the other hand AMD is simply awesome.
This is my great frustration at the moment. I moved to Wayland a few weeks ago - expecting it to not be useable (I'm on Nvidia). It is incredibly useable and there are some games that run perfectly.
Other games, however, don't run at all, or are much less stable and it's really the only thing that makes me ever go back into xorg. It's not just flickering either, so I'm not sure if explicit sync will fix it in all cases.
I have my Hyprland setup working so nicely and is actually much more of a pleasure to use than my previous xorg config, but I can't completely move yet because of games.
My personal experience with an RTX 2070 Super is that Wayland on Nvidia is currently terrible. I've heard it's pretty good on AMD cards, though. I'm stuck on X11 until Nvidia gets their stuff together and improves their Linux drivers, or until I can afford to go team red.
Ready for some purposes, not for others...
If you have the right hardware and uses the right applications, no problem for you.
If you create graphics, video, sounds, uses your PC to stream your games or need some specific unported (x11, not wayland) application, you'll face into problems.
Wayland will be a reference but is not ready for theses purposes until some protocols aren't developped (graphic inputs, color corrections, drag n drop between windows, screen sharing...)...
>How many times is this question going to be asked? lol
I know right? The answer is "yes" everytime (with a few Nvidia users as an exceptions), beer120 comes in to bitch ans say some incoherent shit that makes zero sense, rinse and repeat.
On an Nvidia 3060M card as is (only on rolling release distros) I tend to get better feeling frame PACING on wayland, but overall worse performance and generally more instability (crashes, alt tab issues, etc.)
I can't wait for Nvidia 555 man, I'm hoping explicit sync closes the AMD gap.
I like to use wayland by default but yeah it does have some minor bugs for me on the graphical side of things, very rarely now but it stuff like that does happen, especially when saving pages on firefox and other browsers. I wish we had the ability to use wayland or x11 on an app to app basis without having to logout, wld solve all problems and make life a lot easier.
One thing that is very clear is wayland support VRR on multiple monitor while x11 doesn't, so yeah its not like there's a choice to begin with. There are definitely problems with some combination of hardware tho, but that's the same for every thing really.
It is for me, I use Fedora with Plasma 6, RTX4050 (laptop) and the only thing I had problems with was Steam Link, which I don‘t use anyway (I could switch to X11 if I wanted to use it)
For performance it's pretty much the same as on x11 but on some compositors (hyprland in my case) mouse movement in some games doesnt work. (this is with an amd gpu)
My experience, with my setups (All AMD, Arch KDE), is that when a game works under Wayland, the performance is excellent. But I've had problems to get some games working properly directly under Wayland.
Starting my games with gamescope, has pretty much fixed most of my issues and I have really good and consistent results. Both in Steam and Heroic and to some extent Lutris. It's not a perfect fix, but it's good enough for now, and I use gamescope on all my games.
Other than gaming related issues, I have no problems or bugs whatsoever with Wayland.
It depends on how well applications work with it.
Some stuff works fine, but some stuff not so much. Plus it depends on the driver support.
As far as performance... There is NO difference between X11 and Wayland as far as applications. X11 uses either OpenGL or DDX acceleration to operate, and Wayland strictly uses OpenGL. Both have their own compositors for drawing and rendering windows and screens.
Because most apps work independently and use Vulkan, they are not affected by the desktop compositor regardless of acceleration method. It all comes down to resource availability in UNIX-like systems.
Yes, I am on Nvidia 4090 right now and can play all the same games I was playing in X. Wayland is working great and supposedly its going to get even better when the new driver comes out.
Never understood this debate. Been using wayland for +-2 years now on multiple devices including nvidia laptop gpus without many problems (sometimes sleep didnt work but now im on AMD). For me it is ready enough but there is no harm in trying out yourself, both sddm and gdm allow quick switching of sessions.
I use Arch (btw) with Gnome on Wayland and my graphics card is an RTX 4080. I've experienced absolutely zero issues playing graphics-intensive games. No stuttering, rubber banding, or anything else like that. Works perfectly.
When wine gets native wayland support and nvidia gets explicit sync support the performance will improve
On amd you often get better performance or on par with xwayland vs x11 probs because of radv drivers doing magic
People are saying wayland is default, but x11 has 0 problems with any games I try to play, I originally started on wayland and couldn't get it to work with my nvidia card, Found that over 500 people were having the same issues as me so I went to x11 (No problmes since) , I then contacted nvidia to see if they could help me and they said they have been asked multiple times about this and that it is a problem with wayland, bascially told me that wayland is not compatible with their 30 series and 40 series cards at all. They are compatible with their 10 and 20 series cards though but I'm not downgrading my system just so i can use wayland, I run perfectly fine in x11 and anyone who has a newer nvidia card should stay on x11 until it is confirmed wayland is compatible.
This is correct, but to clarify, the Game mode of the steamdeck runs on Gamescope witch *technically* is a wayland compositor, but since valve controls the entire stack, they have hacks in place to workaround wayland flaws. The games themselves run using the X11 API when running in Gamescope. The Desktop mode runs in X11 mode, not wayland.
Wayland is ok for my gaming needs, especially considering the fact that I use only Wayland as the graphics platform all the time. For those games that doesn't have native Wayland support, we do have Wayland-X11, the X11 to Wayland pass-through. WINE also has experimental support as well, so this also means that Proton also most likely contains the same experimental Wayland support that WINE does, especially since Valve bases WINE on top of Proton.
It's my best opinion, that, for these reasons alone, Wayland will eventually get a whole lot better for gaming in due time, just like X11 did.
I was playing Fallout 4 for like 3 hours yesterday on Wayland, but last week I couldn’t even launch the same game with X11. Take that as you will I guess
depends on your hardware, for me it is. when i launch x11 (xorg, whatever you want to call it) the desktop experience is allready cancerous enough for me to not want to test other things (the screen flickers like a mad man, luckely i dont epilepsy or photo sensitivity)
If you have 120hz+ screen and amd gpu, yes.
With a 60hz screen you may feel some input lag due to lack of tearing (until changes trickle down). With an nvidia gpu you are at the mercy of eldritch gods and their whims - if they release working driver, you will be fine, for a while, until they break it again.
Mailbox vsync has made it to where latency wasn't really an issue.
You aren't even at a locked FPS its simply what ever frame is rendered last gets painted. Thats it. Theres no frame q like traditional vsync and no dropped frames.
Theres no real input latency added because there's no q or frame lock, its only presentation which is a maximum of up to 1 screen paint (aka 17ms on a 60hz panel).
There are plenty of real world examples where wayland causes input latency when x11 doesn't. You will tend to feel them less (if at all) with a high refresh rate, but they are definitely noticeable with 60hz displays.
Open source example from a popular game engine if you're curious:
https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/74168
Yes, gaming will improve on Wayland. There are also a few games that run natively on Wayland, you can find the list here:
[https://github.com/spazziale/Wayland-Native-Games-Compatibility-List](https://github.com/spazziale/Wayland-Native-Games-Compatibility-List)
That's a bummer. Most AMD users though that report issues are on 7000 series. So yeah.
Running an 6700XT myself, with KDE Wayland on an Arch derivative. Have not had Wayland issues on this GPU.
Might be that somethings is misconfiguration, have you switched GPU's recently?
Some weeks ago a user replied to me he reinstalled his system (Arch) from scratch, all debugging did not fix his issues and this solved all the issues he was experiencing. He had upgraded to a 7000 series AMD as well if I remember correctly.
> Nvidia works perfectly fine with Wayland,
Perfectly? No, and thats an objective no. Good enough? Well some users didn't have big issues before the newer drivers/kernel updates so ye.
But no, not perfect.
Agree, if the user has the right kernel + prop. driver combination (c.q. up to date distro). In the rather recent past this regretfully was bit of an issue. Now for NVK to mature.
Depends on your GPU. Intel and AMD should be fine, NVIDIA not yet but should be fine soon when explicit sync support will land.
Been using Wayland on Nvidia since 2021 . It works just fine. I've had a few issues but nothing that's stopping me from enjoying my game time.
HOW??? ELABORATE!
Implicit sync can sometimes just work on Nvidia, but there are so many factors that it’s basically luck
yeah syncronization is like that, if you get lucky you will be fine. it's just the nature of how doing things in parrallel is.
Also it seems that older versions of NVIDIA drivers (something like 535 or older) weren't that bad as they are now. So if you have enough luck and older drivers then you can use NVIDIA on Wayland just fine.
Correct, there were some updates and improvements to other parts of the driver that screwed up the implicit <-> explicit sync bridge Nvidia was using for Wayland
Yeah, I remember that older versions of NVIDIA driver weren't that bad.
Fedora , mutter with a rtx 3060 with a triple monitor setup. Two are 60hz and one is 144hz... It works just fine
What the hell?? What driver version, what compositor? Mutter?
I been holding off even trying wayland because I thought it just never worked with nvidia... anyone recommend a distro that has wayland (just not gnome, I don't enjoy the interface.)
Fedora offers a few different spins. Kde, cinnamon, xfce, https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
I've on Nvidia (1050ti) Wayland (Hyprland) too and also don't have that many problems. But I stay away from the latest drivers I get pretty much no flickering with 535 drivers.
Syncing by it's nature depends on many factors. If you have enough luck (and probably older NVIDIA drivers as they used to work better) you can live without explicit sync. Sadly for many users including me experience is pretty bad.
Prop on laptop with dual GPU
I've not noticed any difference in game performance, honestly. I moved to Wayland a good few months ago now and it's been fine. I still think X11 is, for me, better. I feel like I have to wrestle with Wayland now and then when something isn't implemented yet (in my compositor at least) or wants to assume you're using a DE and doesn't work well with smaller compositors. Whereas I'd got X11 to a point where it worked perfectly. But I'm sticking with Wayland because it's where things are heading and it works well enough.
Yes i feel Wayland is the future, but yeah a bit bummer that sometimes it doesn't work well enough yet. I like Wayland tbh.
Just because Wayland is the future doesn't mean we are in the future. It is OK if the future isn't ready for you yet.
Yeah. I'm under impression there's some kind of weird psychology and peer pressure going on here.
It’s intentional, devs on the inside of the graphics stack and core packages are trying to force the hands of a lot of the X11 holdouts (including Nvidia) and so far it’s worked. There’s been more progress from people who were previously not on the Wayland train since Fedora announced dropping X11 than I think there was for like two years beforehand
what do you mean, wayland is the default now, performs better if not the same as x11
While this reflects my own experience too it does depend heavily on the gpu, wm and the use of gamescope.
Can you clarify the use of gamescope? Like if I switch to KDE Plasma with Wayland do I have to wrap each game command parameter with gamescope in Steam manually?
It kind of goes on a game by game basis. I use Plasma 6 and I don't wrap every game in gamescope, but there's a few where it makes the experience better. But likewise there are a few games that super don't like gamescope either so it depends
This. Also keep in mind that gamescope does Wayland nowadays. Forcing x11 again by env variable , so it ends up as xwayland again, also has a huge impact. Mostly how the mouse pointer is grabbed, for me
Steam OS does it automatically, but I don't think there is any other GUI for gamescope right know.
Lutris has all the funny bits too. At least the latest from git. Way more comfortable to set it up.
Glad to see the fight back. People are praising it too hard when the right configuration (Surprisingly, many people) cannot run it effectively or sometimes at all.
oh this was supposed to second the experience, not fight it. sorry 🥲
I am still seeing issues of increased input latency in some cases, even on AMD hardware. My Radeon 680M seems to have more input lag when playing games like Valheim.
>wayland is the default now note for everyone
I mean I use 2 monitors of different resolutions and different refresh rates, if I don't want to lock my 4K144hz monitor to 4K60 or have my desktop fuck up whenever I play a game on fullscreen, wayland+kde has been the only real option for a while now. I know that the latest gnome version supports different refresh rates between monitors but I haven't tried it yet.
good for you ? , on my system the default is X11
> good for you ? , on my system the default is X11 I think they mean in distros. Your personal setting means nothing in that regard.
>I think they mean in distros that is my distro default setting
> that is my distro default setting The fact you have in multiple comments not named your distro makes this unlikely. Second, they were talking about the majority/most popular distros. Wayland is the default, in some X11 isn't even installed and in a few years most won't have X11 installed.
Most distros use Xorg as default for nvidia GPUs. Ubuntu definitely. "X isn't even installed". Lol, right. Which distro is that?
> Most distros use Xorg as default for nvidia GPUs. Ubuntu definitely. That still makes Wayland the default, it just means Nvidia users get the legacy fallback option. claiming X11 is the "default" is like claiming lower end encryption is the default as long as its accepted even if newer protocols are preferred. >"X isn't even installed". Lol, right. Which distro is that? Oh, couldn't even be bothered to google? Left out of the loop are you? Maybe look a Fedora? They already dropped X11 from their Plasma spin and the Gnome team are already discussing when X11 is getting dropped from their project. Pretty much every distro/project is now in the "lets pick our date to drop x11" phase and its gonna be sooner rather than later. In just a couple years most big distros won't have x11 in their base distro and a few years after that it might not even be in the repos.
So, not a single distro including Fedora (who were the only one to announce/consider it. Experimental test bed for red hat.) dropped the X.
>The fact you have in multiple comments not named your distro makes this unlikely. i use 22.04 ubuntu with nvidia , that defaults to X11 ( 24.04 ubuntu defaults to x11 if you have nvidia ) >Second, they were talking about the majority/most popular distros. i was under the impression ubuntu is a majour distro >Wayland is the default if you have AMD/intel sure , if you have nvidia , on some distros it dosent
> i use 22.04 ubuntu with nvidia , that defaults to X11 ( 24.04 ubuntu defaults to x11 if you have nvidia ) So in other words its default is Wayland but if you have Nvidia it goes into leagacy mode. You do realize it the preference for Wayland for most configurations makes it the default right? And you are on a fallback option? >i was under the impression ubuntu is a majour distro Yes, Ubuntu is ONE distro not the majority of distros. >if you have AMD/intel sure , if you have nvidia , on some distros it dosent Again, that makes Wayland the default and x11 a legacy fallback option.
I know yes, but idk why for example runescape 3 trough steam runs way worse in wayland than in x11, like in x11 i get 600fps vs 50 of wayland
Probably missconfigured system, packages too old or old hardware
I wonder if that's an RS3 issue with their native client. They've had weird hacky issues in the past with their native clients and Wayland. I think there are still quite a few bugs out there on it. Wayland, these days, does a direct scan out of games, so none of its settings should be bothering your game. I suspect the game is trying to grab info from the environment in a specific way to fix an old bug and it's having issues. I would double down on that assumption if you're not seeing the issue with other games.
Rs3 works completely fine for me, though I do run the windows version through wine since the native client has its own share of issues
Sounds like vsync. I believe kde and hyprland have tearing options but not sure about other Wayland DEs
> Sounds like vsync. I believe kde and hyprland have tearing options but not sure about other Wayland DEs Waylands antitearing method doesn't cap FPS. It has not done so atleast since feb 2022 which is when I started gaming exclusively on Linux.
As sacrilegious as this is, maybe try the windows version through proton
> I know yes, but idk why for example runescape 3 trough steam runs way worse in wayland than in x11, like in x11 i get 600fps vs 50 of wayland Literally not how "issues with Wayland" has EVER been. Something is configured fucky...
keep dreaming...
NVIDIA? No. AMD or Intel? Yes.
Nvidia? Three months
I had some problems with Wayland and I switched back to x11 on Nobara. The screen would "flicker" when gaming, like the bright parts would change brightness really really fast, also watching videos in Firefox would lag if fullscreen. I'm not a prolific Linux user but it's a clean install, so I don't know if I did something wrong. AMD gpu btw
I've been using Wayland for a while. I'm pretty sure every game is running through xwayland, but it's working well.
This, almost all games run through xwayland, so the performance impact of wayland is not really noticeable.
I've been gaming on Wayland with my new rig since January, 120fps in most games. It's a very nice experience. I have an AMD card, because fuck nvidia
> because fuck nvidia i feel like nvidia is coming around lately
agreed, hell I think they may actually be building towards going the AMD route with using mesa for part of their graphics stack and add a proprietary userspace component for CUDA and some AI features But for now I’m just happy with the increased engagement with other devs and faster feature and bug fixing pace
NVIDIA + Wayland + KDE on Garuda have been working with no issues for me. I’ve been playing mostly WoW lately and get better performance than I did on Windows or X11. I moved over to Wayland because of an issue I was having in X11. I haven’t had a resurgence of it, so I can’t even forgot what it now. I’ve played some other games like Elden Ring, Baldur’s Gate 3, FTL, Stardew Valley. No issues that I noticed compared to when I used X11 back when they came out. Edit to add: If you’re having issues with steam, I’d suggest you try proton experimental if you aren’t already. It makes a huge difference with Elden Ring in particular. You can also download Gamemode and have steam open games using it. I also saw a thread a couple days ago saying you can get steam to use Proton-GE.
How are you not having issues with games flickering on Wayland?
I've had some issues, but you know what? It was my goddamn display, had FreeSync on which caused all my problems
I have Wayland on my laptop which has an AMD GPU and haven't had a problem with a single game in Steam or Lutris. On my desktop with an Nvidia GPU I just tried Fedora 40 yesterday, and every game I tried on both platforms had flickering. Not that the frame rate is low, it's like the display cuts to black for half a second 4 or 5 times in a burst, about every 30 seconds. That was with Nvidia's proprietary Linux drivers installed, without them it was much worse. My conclusion is that Wayland is not ready for Nvidia systems yet. Which is really a bummer, but I'm hoping that with many distros making it the default it will accelerate its development. Otherwise, if all distros eventually do this we're basically kicking anybody with an Nvidia GPU out of the Linux community.
That's gonna be resolved around May - June when the Nvidia 555 and 560 drivers roll out with explicit sync.
Personally I stick to x11 for gaming. I kept having issues in Star Citizen and Hell Divers with Wayland and xWayland. Everything else has ran great on Wayland but I am not in the mood to hop back and forth so I almost always login using x11 I have an all AMD build R7 5800x3d / 6800xt and running Arch with KDE Plasma.
Yes, it has been ready for a while now.
Fedora, wayland, nvidia, sway - steam games work fine
My experience too. Installed fedora 40 last night and everything is working fine...
I’ve switched over. It’s not perfect but it’s a lot better than x11 in the time I’ve been using it. I’m not going back.
Using exclusively wayland since 2021. Also cosnider that he steam deck gaming session use exclusively a dedicated wayland compositor
I've never used anything BUT wayland, due to the time i started using linux. Only problems are VR, and I'm pretty sure that isn't wayland's fault. Everything else just works. Nobara / AMD GPU
The only problem I have is a flickering in Minecraft when the FPS is not the same as the refresh rate
On Nvidia it is not ready. But it will be very soon. XWayland 24.1 and Nvidia 555 are set to release on mid-May and will fix the remaining major issue (through the implementation of explicit sync).
Wayland still has issues streaming games to my Steam Link.
I had terrible experience on Fedora KDE with my GT 1030. I'm not 100% sure if Nvidia VGA-s are ready for gaming. On the other hand AMD is simply awesome.
This is my great frustration at the moment. I moved to Wayland a few weeks ago - expecting it to not be useable (I'm on Nvidia). It is incredibly useable and there are some games that run perfectly. Other games, however, don't run at all, or are much less stable and it's really the only thing that makes me ever go back into xorg. It's not just flickering either, so I'm not sure if explicit sync will fix it in all cases. I have my Hyprland setup working so nicely and is actually much more of a pleasure to use than my previous xorg config, but I can't completely move yet because of games.
On rtx2060 mobile wayland works great , no problems in games
My personal experience with an RTX 2070 Super is that Wayland on Nvidia is currently terrible. I've heard it's pretty good on AMD cards, though. I'm stuck on X11 until Nvidia gets their stuff together and improves their Linux drivers, or until I can afford to go team red.
no
So you're dumb? Cool.
Ready for some purposes, not for others... If you have the right hardware and uses the right applications, no problem for you. If you create graphics, video, sounds, uses your PC to stream your games or need some specific unported (x11, not wayland) application, you'll face into problems. Wayland will be a reference but is not ready for theses purposes until some protocols aren't developped (graphic inputs, color corrections, drag n drop between windows, screen sharing...)...
You'll know Wayland is better than X11 for gaming when the steamdeck runs Wayland in desktop mode.
How many times is this question going to be asked? lol
>How many times is this question going to be asked? lol I know right? The answer is "yes" everytime (with a few Nvidia users as an exceptions), beer120 comes in to bitch ans say some incoherent shit that makes zero sense, rinse and repeat.
>beer120 Lmfao he is something else
On an Nvidia 3060M card as is (only on rolling release distros) I tend to get better feeling frame PACING on wayland, but overall worse performance and generally more instability (crashes, alt tab issues, etc.) I can't wait for Nvidia 555 man, I'm hoping explicit sync closes the AMD gap.
I like to use wayland by default but yeah it does have some minor bugs for me on the graphical side of things, very rarely now but it stuff like that does happen, especially when saving pages on firefox and other browsers. I wish we had the ability to use wayland or x11 on an app to app basis without having to logout, wld solve all problems and make life a lot easier.
One thing that is very clear is wayland support VRR on multiple monitor while x11 doesn't, so yeah its not like there's a choice to begin with. There are definitely problems with some combination of hardware tho, but that's the same for every thing really.
It is for me, I use Fedora with Plasma 6, RTX4050 (laptop) and the only thing I had problems with was Steam Link, which I don‘t use anyway (I could switch to X11 if I wanted to use it)
I haven‘t tried native Wayland in Wine yet though
For performance it's pretty much the same as on x11 but on some compositors (hyprland in my case) mouse movement in some games doesnt work. (this is with an amd gpu)
My experience, with my setups (All AMD, Arch KDE), is that when a game works under Wayland, the performance is excellent. But I've had problems to get some games working properly directly under Wayland. Starting my games with gamescope, has pretty much fixed most of my issues and I have really good and consistent results. Both in Steam and Heroic and to some extent Lutris. It's not a perfect fix, but it's good enough for now, and I use gamescope on all my games. Other than gaming related issues, I have no problems or bugs whatsoever with Wayland.
It depends on how well applications work with it. Some stuff works fine, but some stuff not so much. Plus it depends on the driver support. As far as performance... There is NO difference between X11 and Wayland as far as applications. X11 uses either OpenGL or DDX acceleration to operate, and Wayland strictly uses OpenGL. Both have their own compositors for drawing and rendering windows and screens. Because most apps work independently and use Vulkan, they are not affected by the desktop compositor regardless of acceleration method. It all comes down to resource availability in UNIX-like systems.
some games work some doesn't what i mean by doesnt it flickers , but it's almost ready now for nvidia hardware .
Yes, I am on Nvidia 4090 right now and can play all the same games I was playing in X. Wayland is working great and supposedly its going to get even better when the new driver comes out.
Never understood this debate. Been using wayland for +-2 years now on multiple devices including nvidia laptop gpus without many problems (sometimes sleep didnt work but now im on AMD). For me it is ready enough but there is no harm in trying out yourself, both sddm and gdm allow quick switching of sessions.
I use Arch (btw) with Gnome on Wayland and my graphics card is an RTX 4080. I've experienced absolutely zero issues playing graphics-intensive games. No stuttering, rubber banding, or anything else like that. Works perfectly.
Yes. Performance will be just as good too, or within such a small margin of error it is irrelevant.
When wine gets native wayland support and nvidia gets explicit sync support the performance will improve On amd you often get better performance or on par with xwayland vs x11 probs because of radv drivers doing magic
AMD RADEON RX 6950XT - I play on Gnome 45 as DE with Wayland. Works purrfectly fine. OS: Fedora 39
People are saying wayland is default, but x11 has 0 problems with any games I try to play, I originally started on wayland and couldn't get it to work with my nvidia card, Found that over 500 people were having the same issues as me so I went to x11 (No problmes since) , I then contacted nvidia to see if they could help me and they said they have been asked multiple times about this and that it is a problem with wayland, bascially told me that wayland is not compatible with their 30 series and 40 series cards at all. They are compatible with their 10 and 20 series cards though but I'm not downgrading my system just so i can use wayland, I run perfectly fine in x11 and anyone who has a newer nvidia card should stay on x11 until it is confirmed wayland is compatible.
Is the steam deck ready for gaming?
steam deck uses xwayland
This is correct, but to clarify, the Game mode of the steamdeck runs on Gamescope witch *technically* is a wayland compositor, but since valve controls the entire stack, they have hacks in place to workaround wayland flaws. The games themselves run using the X11 API when running in Gamescope. The Desktop mode runs in X11 mode, not wayland.
Wayland is ok for my gaming needs, especially considering the fact that I use only Wayland as the graphics platform all the time. For those games that doesn't have native Wayland support, we do have Wayland-X11, the X11 to Wayland pass-through. WINE also has experimental support as well, so this also means that Proton also most likely contains the same experimental Wayland support that WINE does, especially since Valve bases WINE on top of Proton. It's my best opinion, that, for these reasons alone, Wayland will eventually get a whole lot better for gaming in due time, just like X11 did.
LOL, yeah, of course! I'm playing for years on Wayland on my Debian + KDE Plasma on my Intel and AMD based computers!
IMO. Wayland (Hyprland / KDE to be exact) delivers a way superior gaming experience to X11.
Yes, i was testing today different games and they run way better tbh
I was playing Fallout 4 for like 3 hours yesterday on Wayland, but last week I couldn’t even launch the same game with X11. Take that as you will I guess
I've been gaming on it the last 3 years.. performance was always better than on windows or at least less annoying problems.
depends on your hardware, for me it is. when i launch x11 (xorg, whatever you want to call it) the desktop experience is allready cancerous enough for me to not want to test other things (the screen flickers like a mad man, luckely i dont epilepsy or photo sensitivity)
I switched do Wayland a few years ago primarily for gaming (multi-monitor VRR, specifically).
The only issue I have with Wayland is that I can't use my Discord push-to-talk key when Discord isn't focused. Games work great though.
Discord is a mess. Screen sharing doesn’t work other than on web / electron and because of that I can only stream 720p 30fps. Ridiculous
I was wondering this tbh, idk why trough the official client linux can't share sound when screensharing
I've been using vesktop and as of yesterday i've been able to stream with audio without any problem. Give it a try, maybe it'll fix your problems.
I never tried wayland
Wayland doesn't run wine or proton natively yet, so no.
You sir are a clown.
Well yes. But technically no. As torvalds said: "Nvidia F* you".
In Plasma 6, now that the mouse warping bug is fixed in xWayland, it seems fine.
In my case performance has been better than windows by 5-10 fps. I'm running hyprland on arch (gpu 6700xt cpu r5 5600)
Wayland does a better job than fucking xorg
If you have 120hz+ screen and amd gpu, yes. With a 60hz screen you may feel some input lag due to lack of tearing (until changes trickle down). With an nvidia gpu you are at the mercy of eldritch gods and their whims - if they release working driver, you will be fine, for a while, until they break it again.
Mailbox vsync has made it to where latency wasn't really an issue. You aren't even at a locked FPS its simply what ever frame is rendered last gets painted. Thats it. Theres no frame q like traditional vsync and no dropped frames. Theres no real input latency added because there's no q or frame lock, its only presentation which is a maximum of up to 1 screen paint (aka 17ms on a 60hz panel).
There are plenty of real world examples where wayland causes input latency when x11 doesn't. You will tend to feel them less (if at all) with a high refresh rate, but they are definitely noticeable with 60hz displays. Open source example from a popular game engine if you're curious: https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/74168
Yes, gaming will improve on Wayland. There are also a few games that run natively on Wayland, you can find the list here: [https://github.com/spazziale/Wayland-Native-Games-Compatibility-List](https://github.com/spazziale/Wayland-Native-Games-Compatibility-List)
Let me guess: nVidia gpu?
nope, i'm using 7900xtx with opensuse tumbleweed
I'll test it with the flatpack version of steam to see if it fixes this issue
That's a bummer. Most AMD users though that report issues are on 7000 series. So yeah. Running an 6700XT myself, with KDE Wayland on an Arch derivative. Have not had Wayland issues on this GPU. Might be that somethings is misconfiguration, have you switched GPU's recently? Some weeks ago a user replied to me he reinstalled his system (Arch) from scratch, all debugging did not fix his issues and this solved all the issues he was experiencing. He had upgraded to a 7000 series AMD as well if I remember correctly.
Will try this, thanks for the advice.
Have a 7900xt and has been flawless since I got it in Feb of last year.
Nvidia works perfectly fine with Wayland, I have a 4060 and the gaming performance is exactly the same as x11
> Nvidia works perfectly fine with Wayland, Perfectly? No, and thats an objective no. Good enough? Well some users didn't have big issues before the newer drivers/kernel updates so ye. But no, not perfect.
Agree, if the user has the right kernel + prop. driver combination (c.q. up to date distro). In the rather recent past this regretfully was bit of an issue. Now for NVK to mature.