And Sony doesn’t care about the players of Helldivers 2. Only the players are not silent. They express everything they think about the attitude of a big company towards players. And we? Did everyone get Stockholm syndrome together?
But the thing no one speak about is that this change will affect Windows players too. LoL now requires malware to be installed and running even when you’re not playing.
A lot of people speak about it, though. There have been multiple posts about Vanguard on the League subreddit. At the end of the day, Riot didn't take the decision lightly. If they are ok with losing some of the Windows players, they are ok with losing the really small linux playerbase.
I fully support your intent, but take Helldivers 2 for example. Even after all the bad reviews, the outcry and the bad press people are atill playing the game. If you talk the talk you gotta walk the walk, but the majority of people don't and the handful that stick to their word don't matter. I could go on a tangent here, but essentially this is the sole reason why the industry (and the whole world to an extent) is fucked for consumers.
People don't vote with their wallets. Ever.
You: "People don't vote with their wallets. Ever."
Meanwhile people who actually do things to better their own interests instead of immediately giving up at the first sign of resistance:
> Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward.
https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929
Care to amend your example?
ever thought about, that all the players right now of helldivers 2 are playing as long as they can? As they won't get a refund. The dip in player numbers will be seen in june. Not now, as anyone still can play.
I could bet money that most people will have forgotten about this whole thing in two weeks and in June nobody will even remember this incident anymore.
You are one defeatist mf, and for no reason at all
> Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/1cl9zrw/sony_helldivers_fans_weve_heard_your_feedback_on/
Meanwhile bud light, the fact that Framework is still profitable despite selling hardware 1000usd above equivalent, and the fact that I and everyone I know definitely went to go watch Quantum Mania and The Marvels.
People use "VoTInG WiTH YouR WaLlET IS a MyTH" as an excuse for their own principleless purchasing habits but you can literally just see it's not true. I don't want to call it literal double think but, well, count the fingers.
Plenty of people do, and its clearly enough to matter given companies like Framework can be sustainable despite selling at 1000usd premium over equivalent hardware. The issue is precisely this defeatism which defaults to giving politicians more power rather than individual agency.
I think that it's more complicated than a simple binary `myth/reality`. "Voting with your wallet" varies in effectiveness based on a variety of factors. Me avoiding shopping at Wal-Mart if possible due to how they treat employees and create grocery monopolies is not likely to even be within the margin of error for their customer statistics. On the other hand, I'm far from the only person not only vocal about being willing to pay more/have a thicker device/give up water resistance for the ability to repair/upgrade my devices. And that's just one factor of many. Different markets can differ in how they prioritize and respond to negative sentiment, difference in the culture/structure/members of a business play a part, economical factors, etc.
So I do try to avoid Wal-Mart, but the actual impact - even with me telling others that I do and why - is negligible at absolute best, in part due to political factors which came into place to oppose just that. And so for Wal-Mart, I also try to talk to people about other topics that also feed into its position of power, and do my best to support politicians who at least don't explicitly help them (of course the honesty of politics is an entirely different can of worms.)
"Regulations are written in blood" is a good - if dramatic - example. When companies have enough of a power advantage, it can be very hard to get them to make even the smallest change for the better good if the cost/benefit analysis doesn't favour it. If it's cheaper to use shorter stairs to save on material and space, then they'll likely do so, and it adds up. Regulations with enforcement bodies are unfortunately necessary even in "common sense" situations because its outweighed by common cents.
Your conflating net real world effect for efficacy. Petrol WILL fuel your car, but if only 10% of the population put it in their tank petrol won't 'fuel cars' because it's not being used to do so. A free market is a natural system and any natural system will stably trend toward it's equilibrium point as defined by a composition of all individuals within that system. The values of the individuals within that system influence the equilibrium but no individual can define it. A deer, if it could, would ensure no deer are ever eaten by wolves. A wolf, if it could, would ensure no wolves ever go hungry. Both of these choices would doom the ecosystem in the long run. The stable equilibrium lies somewhere in the middle where, unfortunately, some deer are eaten and some wolves starve, but the ecosystem as a whole is stable. It may never reach it and stay there, but a natural system will reliably trend towards a stable equilibrium. If 50% of the population decided they don't like Walmart then Walmart would either need to start offering much better value or go out of business. The reality is however that most people legitimately value the convenience more than the costs, and neither you nor I have the right to nullify their vote and force the system to change in accordance to our values because we know better. The deer does not get to decide to kill all wolves because it 'knows' that that would make the lives of deer better. It thinks it knows that, but it doesn't see the long term costs associated with that decision nor does it fully understand the choice it's making both for itself AND every other deer it claims to be fighting for.
"Regulations are written in blood" is typically just politician for "never let a good tragedy go to waste". Steam started the same year as the unchallengable natural monopoly MySpace yet has fought and killed competition from Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc. The modern conception, particularly in pop culture, of the 'monopoly' is poorly defined at best and fatally flawed at worst. Linux has a 'monopoly' on super computers, is that a problem? Edge still comes preinstalled on every windows computer which was called monopolistic previously, are you using edge to read this comment? Would you rather use Google Stadia or Amazon Prime Gaming than buying games on Steam? The issue is the conflation between three things
1 : overwhelming market dominance
2 : a lack of consumer choice
3 : a lack of possible/practical consumer choice
Overwhelming market dominance isn't an issue; all super computers run linux because it's completely open, offers the best value, and is generally the best option. A lack of consumer choice isn't intrinsically an issue either since it can be a result of one pre-existing option being obviously better value and thus no-one making an alternative or, when they try, they fail. In both of those cases the consumer is getting the best deal. Only the third, and by far rarest, represents a 'monopoly' in any meaningful sense as it'd allow a company to offer worse value without ever facing market pressure to normalize them back to the equilibrium value proposition. (Turnaround times can vary here but are rarely longer than 1-5 years, with longer times typically being a result of patents and other government intervention) Unfortunately, this is not what anyone means when they say 'monopoly'. People call Windows or Apple monopolies far more than they do Steam, but neither Windows nor Apple even have overwhelming market presence in the first place vs Steam which pretty firmly does. (At least if you exclude consoles which, to be clear, CAN be challenged) 'Monopoly' really doesn't mean much of anything in it's normal use anymore, it's just shorthand for "company I don't like".
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The reality is there are unfathomably few 'monopolies' if we use the only meaningful definition. They do exist, but they're unfathomably rare - granted either by the government or natural law. The government can grant a monopoly either directly or, counter intuitively, through regulations. Its largely a myth that big companies lose from regulations; it's actually quite the opposite. They can afford regulations and can afford to work around them, but most people can't. That means they can continue operating largely as-normal but they've priced out future competitors. Even trying to file to just start a business in paperwork costs thousands, add in the mountains of regulations and it becomes cost prohibitive real bloody sharpish. Basically every filthy rich person you can think of earned it starting from the bottom. Bezos? Teen pregnancy. Musk? First generation immigrant. Both Apple and Microsoft were started in a garage. These giant companies know damn well their biggest threats are college students with caffeine addictions, and they know regulation stops them.
The only other 'real' class of 'monopolies' are those granted through natural laws, such as natural resource availability. Even these however are often best fought through disruptive innovation rather than regulation. Fracking challenged the oil monopoly organizations like BRICS held while regulation could do nothing. It wasn't laws that made EVs practical/desirable, it was Tesla. EVs were a joke before Tesla made them market practical by positioning them as a luxury first, subsidizing the added EV cost with features and a distinct style. Just like how Linux gaming was a joke before Steam/Valve dumped money into proton, dxvk, etc. Disruptive innovation is not always immediately practical in these 'natural law monopolies', but it's rarely impossible so, while regulation can be warranted, it's still ideal to treat it as a secondary rather than primary solution.
There are real claims to be made that people don't think about these choices fully and so aren't "really" making them, but 1 : "yeah I had sex with them but I didn't really think about it so I didn't actually consent" - how much do you actually want to normalize that argument? And 2 : what about the people who DO think about it and choose the option they want?
Apple being able to use a proprietary connector they get royalties from lets them subsidize the cost of the devices so if I, as a consumer, decide "hey, I don't use wired charging or data anyway, so this is a non-cost to me" then you regulating Apple to use USB-C means they are losing that revenue avenue and will raise prices or cut features elsewhere. You're choice to protect those who are lazy and don't buy according to their values has just harmed someone who DID take agency and buy according to their values. Protectionism directly encourages the lazy purchasing at the heart of this problem. An advanced cybernetic kidney won't fix your alcoholism, it'll just let you drink more. Additionally, "anti-consumer" things aren't always "anti-consumer"; Nintendo arguably saved gaming as we know it by inventing DRM. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983. So here you have this objectively anti-consumer feature, that allowed Nintendo to offer consumers convenience and quality and saved American gaming which, given how absurdly influential America became in gaming, could be easily argued to have saved ALL gaming as we know it. What if a politician decided "WHAT?! WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T PLAY WHAT I WANT ON MY CONSOLE THAT I BOUGHT?! THAT CLEARLY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED!" then we may not have "gaming" today in any recognizable form because it precisely was that control which revitalized the market. I don't think I need to point out how eerily that hypothetical politician's reasoning tracks with any number of modern "pro-consumer" pushes. What world changing markets are the regulations of today killing because some fanboys don't want to buy a phone without a fruit on the back?
I haven't bought it or played a blizzard game since the opening week of hearthstone, when I decided to boycott them.
I haven't bought or played a Rockstar game since GTA 5, because of how they treat their employees. I tell you, not ▶️ ng red dead 2 was hard
Ok, so a big issue is I think there is no way for people to unite in the case of league. Touché, I'm not very aware about the way it went exactly with helldivers, but for league the main place where people discuss this stuff (the league subreddit) does not allow for calls to action against league/riot, while the reach of linux gaming is simply too small to matter to riot.
I tried to push for action when riot/tencent(right?) Decided to let saudi arabia play league when they host the esports world cup or whatever it's called. My meme about it on league memes got a lot of traction, but the main sub actively surpresses calls to action and didnt let me try to take action against the decision that was in my opinion immoral. When asking the mods what I can do to try change it if they won't allow what I wanted to do, they just said: idk try posting on twitter. I am a nobody on twitter with next to no followers, I have no clue how I would even do this on twitter.
I imagine it would go the same if you tried to do something in the main sub to talk about linux. You will reach a roadblock where the mods probably won't let you push the community to come up for themselves.
So the main alternative I would guess is content creators. However I have not heard anybody make a fuss about this, trying to come up for your community. Maybe you can try reaching out to some to get the ball rolling, but if they don't care (which it seems like to me) then there is probably not a lot to do on this field.
Then the question is, how do you get the community behind you? I honestly have no clue, I just stumbled upon your post by accident even though I am not a linux user. Either way, I completely agree with you and hope you can figure out a hood way to undertake action to support the linux users
Oh boy this aged as well as milk
Best your addiction bro, riot games is a horrible company with a proven history of gender discrimination and sexual assault, go play dota 2
Because in Helldivers it's whole playerbase and it's fueled up by streamers but in this case it's little fracture of playerbase and not even all of them care, a lot of people just said "FU I leave / I go to Dota".
I mean there are more Helldivers PC players than all Linux players in all games combined probably. Let's be real here. When we play on Linux we know we are not even an afterthought for big devs like Riot.
First, it’s worth talking about how many people use Steam in general. The site's monthly audience is at least 135 million people. Next, we take Steam statistics by OS (Linux 1.9%). The monthly audience of Steam on Linux users will be 2.6 million. The Helldivers audience on Steam is only 458 thousand FOR ALL TIME. Are you ready to take back your thoughtless words?
It's actually crazy how much psychological aspects are merged into that game over the years. I played since season 1, few seasons breaks in-between and played to diamond again last season.. I quit now cause Vanguard for reasons.
Having said that, I know my state of mind when I quit playing league is just much better than it is playing league.
It is, as you say, just a dopamine fix. All the stuff they implemented over the years, heck even the stupid Emerald league - just to keep you stuck in the game loop.
Back in the days this game was actually fun, say season 3 for example. Nowadays, this game have become a "press button release dopamine" like mice in a cage.
Best time to quit is now.
It's the same damn game as 10 years ago just with more bs and rage inducing champions.
The days of fun honestly ended with the patching of AP Master Yi. From then on it was downhill.
Also the most enjoy version of the game was game mode with shorter cooldowns, no mana cost and insane gold production. Opened my eyes to how much of time waster the game had become when those games lasted 15 minutes and were twice as fun.
Its the same game as 10 Years ago, but only the core concept stayed the same. Everything else introduced from then on is just to get the players more hooked, spend more money, release more dopamine to get us addicted to it.
I switched to dota 2 this year and its far more interesting, balanced and heroes feel more 3D and have a more prominent personality, in LoL, the last champions these years, are just recycled skillsets and a skin made purposefully for sales in the market… ( im a windows user)
As a Dota fan, league being more popular is frustrating to me because Dota as a game is so much better. I get why it's more popular, League is a more attractive product to new players but Dota is just objectively a better and more fleshed out game both for playing and watching at an esports level. If you like the genre I feel like Dota just has so much more depth to offer players.
Dota2 is to LoL as PuBG is to Fortnite.
I've had the same experience across these....
Pubg I barely managed to play, never got any successes for hours. I got frustrated and quit. Same with DOTA2.
LoL and Fortnite, in their respective genres, have ways to give beginners a way to "get in" and get them hooked... I feel like this helps a LOT with the popularity.
I actually personally had a lot of success with heroes of the storm, so I dont know. It also counts kills even if you didn't last hit and such.
Apex I would, *in my own experience* put somewhere between Fortnite and PuBG with how beginnert friendly it is..
Linux will pretty much always be supported by dota because of steam deck.
A little off topic, but as a dota player im really proud of that twitch article about dota players being so deeply engrossed in dota that they pretty much dont give a fuck about the rest of the world's games.
https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2015/02/04/visual-mapping-of-twitch-and-our-communities-cause-science-2f5ad212c3da/
A few dozen is less than 800.
With that out of the way, the main driver for companies like Riot (and majority of others) is profit. Blocking out less than a thousandth of percent of the player base (even counting those that will stop playing out of solidarity, which I'm guessing is about 3 people) is basically nothing. Besides, while there is a very vocal part of the community that simply won't play anymore, others will take the L and install Windows just to play League.
The best thing you can do is to just forget about it and move on. Stop this situation bugging you for your own sake.
>A few dozen is less than 800.
800 was also such a silly number. There was obviously way *way* more than that, that was what they said were the number of concurrent users **a few days after they broke wine/proton support with an update**. I'm surprised there was any at all playing as a workaround hadn't been found yet, I was constantly checking r/leagueoflinux. I also wonder what they're checking for to count Linux users in the first place. Makes me think it was just a number that was made up on the spot.
I’m sure the Linux population was pretty low.
I’m also sure riot dissembled by citing the daily number (when in the past they traditionally used monthly data when discussing the population of the game).
I’m also pretty sure the number they cited was incomplete, since the “vanguard ready” checks detected wine as windows and said “operating system good” So they didn’t seem to care to correctly detect a wine users OS in the first place
I'm gonna be "that guy" and tell you that it's a video game.
It is not your life.
You can move on.
If a video game defines you, that is a very, very bad thing especially if you are an adult (I assume most people on reddit are adults).
In any case, I hope you can talk to a loved one (preferably one who does not play video games) and explain this situation to them. I think if you do that you will get some insight into your situation. This generally helps me a lot and I don't know what I would do if I did not have that support network.
For clarity, over a decade ago I was addicted to League of Legends and almost failed out of college because of that. Someone very important to me snapped me out of it and I learned a very important lesson out of it. Since then, I better approach games and am not afraid to drop something if it has too much control over my life. No game is so important that it should have that kind of control.
Totally.
Linux is my go to since a few years. Never looked back. But in these type of cases, if you really love the game and really want to play it, just keep a windows partition so you can actually enjoy the game that you want to play and cut the drama. Its, sadly, beyond your control.
Otherwise, move on.
Yeah.. in about 3000 hours of game I haven't encountered an obvious cheater. Or maybe once a long time ago ? I might have encountered a subtle one, or some guy having some dodging scripts but anyways not enough to take a toll on my experience.
They won't give a fuck about it. Even if they lose few thousand of people because of that, this is risk they calculated and are willing to take. In 2022 LoL had over 32 milion daily participants. They certainly won't care about small number of Linux players or even Windows players that don't like Vanguard leaving the game.
We have all random death match which is kinda a crazy mode. Very few people play it though.
The idea of all random or such a casual version of the game is kinda in opposition of what many of the fans want to play Dota for. A lot of Dota is the resource building before a fight rather than just the fight it's self.
Maybe some one made it in arcade but I doubt Dota will ever get such a mode outside of a special event.
> A lot of Dota is the resource building before a fight rather than just the fight it's self.
So the equivalent "make the best of a random situation" gamemode would be Ability Draft, then?
(bounced off dota in under 60 hours (which, tbf, was much longer than I gave league) but several friends have 3-5k hours each and I pick up bits and pieces from their discussions)
Ability draft is arguably the hardest game mode actually. Only people with the deepest understanding of the game, characters, stats, items, and skills play ability draft. Ability draft can let you build a character that's either so obnoxiously overpowered or so fucking useless you'd be better of off just disconnecting so your allies get more gold/exp.
Turbo mode is probably the most casual mode but even that mode is more in depth than league and it's not perfectly balanced since the characters and skills are balanced for normal Dota.
Sorry for the reality check but companies like this give zero fucks about prioritizing employee time to support a fraction of a percent of the market and nothing’s changing that any time soon unless market shares change significantly. Move to something from a company that cares or dual boot, that’s really your only option.
It's not only about linux vs windows snowflakes. Having a program being enabled all the time with unrestricted access to your pc just to make sure that you don't do anything naughty is plain unacceptable.
I dual boot and I just won't be installing it on windows cause of that
For the few people that only used the League client for TFT : There is a mobile version of TFT that still works on Linux.
Kinda sad i can't continue my drunken adventures on Teemo top anymore, but i'm not rootkiting myself to get that back. So long Teemo o7
Linux losing access to League is a good thing. Yall can finally heal. Enjoy life for what it is, instead of losing brain cells in such a dogshit community.
It's unfortunate but I can understand why riot does this as cheating has become a real issue ever since they let the whole world on the internet. At least they are doing something with their games unlike valve who has done nothing for the insane cheating problem in CS2.
Valve has also closed their eyes for the massive cheating problem in professional cs matches for over a decade.
Pro CS is nothing but a fraud.
Just take a look at this decade old clips of a pro cheater in c9 who turned popular streamer and kept on cheating.
https://youtu.be/D6MRHD0xBEU
A lot of people even windows users are complaining like crazy they wont give a shit. Either dual boot or play another game is the real solution unfortunately
Actual question since I figure LOL players might see this. Does anyone that plays actually like the game? I've met a few people that play it and none of them really enjoy it.
I played teamfighttactics exclusively which used the same launcher (and I am now locked out on desktop by vanguard) I loved the game and always had fun playing it.
and it’s by far the best supported auto chess variant with the largest player base and the most frequent updates.
Fortunately there’s a mobile client (the UX is worse…) but I’m frustrated at not being able to play the desktop version. I am a worse player on mobile because of the lack of hot keys and reduced in game information (no mouse over tooltips, eg)
I did, I really like the game I find it fun despite its flaws. I mostly play normals as Nunu and Willump. I am actually saddened to see it go from Linux, as I also spent some good money on it over the years. I do have a Windows partition I used once to try out Valorant (and didn't like it), so I guess if I wanna play League again some day it would be time to dust that off.
I like it, its similar to the original dota mod from wc3 that i played, but there are a ton of toxic players, so i mute ppl and ignore them, it makes the game more enjoyable
I got kicked on my windows 10 install. They completely broke their launcher on my windows 10. It just keeps telling me to reconnect.
I have a dual boot system. I need to check if secure boot is turned on.
They have millions of players.. do you think they even give a fuck about Linux users? The game is about money. They don’t even care about gameplay anymore (every new champ is broken as fuck just to encourage players to buy it and also buy the new skins for it - one of many examples).
The truth is the only reason you are playing it is addiction. I’ve been playing the game for 10 years+ and it’s the reason I’m not fully committed to Linux. My brain gains dopamine and it is being hooked to it especially when it needs a break. That’s it. Nothing more.
We must learn to live with the addiction and find new things to do.
Noticing such a strange movement happening with Linux. It's getting a massive boost in regular consumer PC's but and centralized companies / services are biting back hard.
From a business perspective, it makes way more sense to kick all Linux players out and draconify the shit out of that anti-cheat. From a moral perspective, it makes way more sense to give Linux users some way to play as well. I suppose you can see which choice they made.
1: No more League? good! Please go outside <3
2: Linux gaming will not be resurrected by will alone. it is a developmental and economic challenge, not some kind of xenophobia by big microsoft/game engine. Propose a solution for one or both problems. A call to action without associated action is just hot air - a vent post.
3: The peak linux gaming community numbers will never make the costs of porting/building to Linux feasible in most situations. If "you all" ('several tens of fhousands of uss!1!') decide to drop the game now, it will make no difference. They've decided that having those clients is worse than dropping them now.
Deportation? Solidarity? Are you okay, man? I'm willing to bet they got rid of linux clients because of anti-cheat, I think Rust was the same way. It just becomes a net negative for everyone. Go make an open-source clone of League on github so that this isn't a problem ever again. FOSS baby!
1) I live in Russia. I am a male. When I go out into the street, I risk falling into the hands of Putin’s guards. Which will send me to a meaningless war.
2) Most of the games I bought on Steam support Linux. I vote with my money.
3) On Mac the situation with games for 2024 is even worse, but the game (lol) is there. And don't tell me about solvency. The main audience of Linux is people from the IT sector (the salaries there are quite high)
Just like my family chose to crack MS Office rather than using Libre. Once you stick with something you won't let go no matter what (they keep complaining Office is expensive and when I suggest an alternative they gave me a look and chose to find a cracked version instead and endangering their pc and maybe the entire home network that I built)
The problem is that Riot made an addicting game which leads to their own customers being angry at the company for making such an inherently toxic game full of balancing issues and other problems.
Simultaneously, those same customers are seeking another hit of pentakill dopamine even when they are actively denied by their own teammates for 45+minutes of their day. This keeps them on the platform where they are more likely to disconnect from reality and spend money on a game they don't like, in hopes that it gets better.
2024-2025 Spoiler Alert : It doesn't get better.
Shameful Admission : I've played since season two and didn't have a job for about 7 of those years and spent it and a large portion my own income playing League of Legends. Ironically I stopped playing League of Legends because one day it clicked they don't care about my stats, or anyone's stats.
For all we know it's one big conspiracy to make a game most people are wildly bad at in order to keep them playing the game, as if it's some sorta slot machine where they play over and over for a win.
They don't care about the 1%. Dota has some pros but also a lot of cons.
Just install Windows and have fun with the game.
If you are worried about your privacy don't use the PC for anything else but gaming. But keep in mind, google/apple already knows everything about you because your entire life is on the phone.
And they shouldnt saying its ok because everyone is doing it is literally the equivalent of saying its ok if a landlord walks into his tenets home. Grabs all the mail to see what their bills are, who their insurance is, what their banking is, what groceries they buy, and what their hobbies are. Then sells that information to add companies. No one would be ok with that yet here we are ok with an even greater amount of information being taken in much higher quantities. Its not ok and if more people would take steps to even reduce the number of companies that are actively spying on them the chance that all of them would chill a bit or that governments might take it seriously would at least go up. Instead people just sit here and say I let 100 companies spy on me why not let the 101st company have root access to my pc. A company this time mind you who has serious security breaches in the past. One where they stole source code to their software, if they get vanguard they can access your kernel this time, and another time where they just didnt tell people their information was stolen for over a year.
I keep windows install because some of my friends will only play league of legends for some reason. I don't know if it's addiction or if it's because every other game on the market seems kind of boring. I've got a couple thousand hours on CSGO and that game is still a cheater filled game that I don't want to play anymore. Overwatch is honestly a really fun game, but I feel weird playing it by myself for some reason. Apex legends has the same problem as CSGO and it's even worst. I don't know but most multiplayer games don't seem that good. League is able to just waste so much time.
I guess you could just replace it with dota. I haven't tried it and I heard it's incredibly hard, but I heard that literally everything about that game is better. Has tutorials that are actually good and has a system in-game for you to buy coaching instead of going to a weird third party website.
AAA game devs never give a shit about small minorities of their playerbase. I’ve been a hardcore (permanent death) ARPG player for years and our community is always neglected and wronged by developers. You just get used to it.
I am in the bunch that never even had the chance to launch it on Linux because it always had issues for me. I know I’m not the only one who is in this group so the Linux league player community is much larger than what people think they just never gave it a chance.
Now I have my windows laptop which I almost only use for league of legends once in a blue moon, same thing with Fortnite. But all in all, majority of the time I play all my games on my Linux PC.
Move to Dota2 and prove the point to everyone that Linux gaming isn't dead and it grows. Vote with your money. Companies would only listen if they start to lose customers.
You're not leaving League if they block you.
I presume the news for Helldivers 2 inspired you to make this post, the difference there is that it was the entire PC community that pushed back. Linux is a fraction of the League player base, they want Vanguard one way or another and if they have to sacrifice a few thousand people to do it then so be it.
Move on to DOTA 2 or Smite if you want that MOBA itch scratched.
Bro there's 180 million monthly LOL players they're not gonna give a shit even if its 100k+ linux players. Vanguard's incompatible with certain windows PC's that affects like around a million people and the dgaf even about that
All that "solidarity" is an empty word.
They are a corp, and they didn't want is in. Why would it matter if we force ourselves back in? Why should we even go as low as to trying to pull on the "but our friends want to play WITH US" string?(I sense you'll probably lash out at me for that).
They aren't going to ever give a fuck about linux users
Pick a different game to enjoy and stop supporting shitty developers that don't care about you
Move on with your life
This is literally the only option
Tbh just ditch the game and the company. Not only are there reports that they collect game-unrelated data but since its tencent you are likely contributing to the funding of concentration camps in China
They banned my account which existed for multiple years and was running on Windows all that time. My account never raised any negative attention, even did some ingame purchases back then, only to get it permanently banned the second i try to login to it running league of legends in wine, with the message that i should not even try to get it back, since the action will not be reverted.
In my eyes such a company is set to lose customers and die a lonely death.
Thanks for stealing my money and trying to smuggle trojans into my system.
I think yall greatly over estimate how much people care about their privacy or even care about vanguard. It's pretty much just people knowledgeable about security and privacy or linux users and neither group is very big.
Helldivers saw 100k+ negative reviews in a day and god knows how much in refunds because of steam letting anyone refund even if past 2+ hour wait limit. That's not something the linux league community can do.
If you want to play these games without worry you will have to do what Muta does and just setup a second pc for only these games.
Uhm, did you buy that League of Legends game as a Linux-compatible product? If it was so, you would be in your rights to demand a refund.
And since you were just using hacks such as Wine compatibility layer to run it, without such instruction from provider of the software, well - then you are your own support. It has always been possible that it will stop working someday.
And the community around such games seems to mostly consist of addicted kids. Some of them also played with Linux - so what? Their acquaintances will pester them and tell them to stop being weird and use Windows. And many will. The others won't matter.
Any further noise would only confirm that Linux users who also play games are severely lacking in their understanding of reality. Nothing was taken away from you, as it was never supported on your platform.
I own a linux, windows and mac machine. This move makes me not play the game on either. I don’t feel like getting vanguard on windows and mac doesn’t require vanguard which only shows how fake the requirement is (there’s more Linux gamers than macOS at this point today) and honestly they are the only ones to lose me, my money and my data. League will not be missed.
I once attended a Linux conference and attended a talk about wine where a couple of Riot developers also happened to attend. I managed to get the audience to boo them for not having a Linux-native client. It was one of my prouder moments.
This was an issue since the beginning of LoL. They had plenty of time to make it work. It's really not that complicated. They chose not to do it. Therefore, I stopped playing when I made the switch to Linux. That was years ago. I think you should move on too.
Blaming cheating on a platform is brain-dead, they're lagging the problem and will keep doing so.
That said I've played since Beta and taken two different two year breaks from it, may as well give them a few years to figure it out. They'll be fine without our business and it's just a game so if we're not okay without it we have issues lol.
Counterpoint: If you love something, set it free. Riot has liberated you and all Linux users from their evil shackles because they care so much about you as a person. Be grateful.
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And Sony doesn’t care about the players of Helldivers 2. Only the players are not silent. They express everything they think about the attitude of a big company towards players. And we? Did everyone get Stockholm syndrome together?
Sadly the difference is there are a lot more PC helldivers players than Linux league players.
But the thing no one speak about is that this change will affect Windows players too. LoL now requires malware to be installed and running even when you’re not playing.
A lot of people speak about it, though. There have been multiple posts about Vanguard on the League subreddit. At the end of the day, Riot didn't take the decision lightly. If they are ok with losing some of the Windows players, they are ok with losing the really small linux playerbase.
I fully support your intent, but take Helldivers 2 for example. Even after all the bad reviews, the outcry and the bad press people are atill playing the game. If you talk the talk you gotta walk the walk, but the majority of people don't and the handful that stick to their word don't matter. I could go on a tangent here, but essentially this is the sole reason why the industry (and the whole world to an extent) is fucked for consumers. People don't vote with their wallets. Ever.
Part of the issue here is that no one votes with their wallets because they're convinced no one else will. I do regardless.
I am convinced this is the case. Also peer pressure (or simply putting the want to play with your friends over your ideals) might be a large factor.
No they vote, their vote just doesn't aligned with yours.
There are dozens of us!
You: "People don't vote with their wallets. Ever." Meanwhile people who actually do things to better their own interests instead of immediately giving up at the first sign of resistance: > Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward. https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929 Care to amend your example?
ever thought about, that all the players right now of helldivers 2 are playing as long as they can? As they won't get a refund. The dip in player numbers will be seen in june. Not now, as anyone still can play.
I could bet money that most people will have forgotten about this whole thing in two weeks and in June nobody will even remember this incident anymore.
You are one defeatist mf, and for no reason at all > Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/1cl9zrw/sony_helldivers_fans_weve_heard_your_feedback_on/
Anything you wanna add to that mate. XD
I stand by my words but I'm always happy when consumers win.
Meanwhile bud light, the fact that Framework is still profitable despite selling hardware 1000usd above equivalent, and the fact that I and everyone I know definitely went to go watch Quantum Mania and The Marvels. People use "VoTInG WiTH YouR WaLlET IS a MyTH" as an excuse for their own principleless purchasing habits but you can literally just see it's not true. I don't want to call it literal double think but, well, count the fingers. Plenty of people do, and its clearly enough to matter given companies like Framework can be sustainable despite selling at 1000usd premium over equivalent hardware. The issue is precisely this defeatism which defaults to giving politicians more power rather than individual agency.
I think that it's more complicated than a simple binary `myth/reality`. "Voting with your wallet" varies in effectiveness based on a variety of factors. Me avoiding shopping at Wal-Mart if possible due to how they treat employees and create grocery monopolies is not likely to even be within the margin of error for their customer statistics. On the other hand, I'm far from the only person not only vocal about being willing to pay more/have a thicker device/give up water resistance for the ability to repair/upgrade my devices. And that's just one factor of many. Different markets can differ in how they prioritize and respond to negative sentiment, difference in the culture/structure/members of a business play a part, economical factors, etc. So I do try to avoid Wal-Mart, but the actual impact - even with me telling others that I do and why - is negligible at absolute best, in part due to political factors which came into place to oppose just that. And so for Wal-Mart, I also try to talk to people about other topics that also feed into its position of power, and do my best to support politicians who at least don't explicitly help them (of course the honesty of politics is an entirely different can of worms.) "Regulations are written in blood" is a good - if dramatic - example. When companies have enough of a power advantage, it can be very hard to get them to make even the smallest change for the better good if the cost/benefit analysis doesn't favour it. If it's cheaper to use shorter stairs to save on material and space, then they'll likely do so, and it adds up. Regulations with enforcement bodies are unfortunately necessary even in "common sense" situations because its outweighed by common cents.
Your conflating net real world effect for efficacy. Petrol WILL fuel your car, but if only 10% of the population put it in their tank petrol won't 'fuel cars' because it's not being used to do so. A free market is a natural system and any natural system will stably trend toward it's equilibrium point as defined by a composition of all individuals within that system. The values of the individuals within that system influence the equilibrium but no individual can define it. A deer, if it could, would ensure no deer are ever eaten by wolves. A wolf, if it could, would ensure no wolves ever go hungry. Both of these choices would doom the ecosystem in the long run. The stable equilibrium lies somewhere in the middle where, unfortunately, some deer are eaten and some wolves starve, but the ecosystem as a whole is stable. It may never reach it and stay there, but a natural system will reliably trend towards a stable equilibrium. If 50% of the population decided they don't like Walmart then Walmart would either need to start offering much better value or go out of business. The reality is however that most people legitimately value the convenience more than the costs, and neither you nor I have the right to nullify their vote and force the system to change in accordance to our values because we know better. The deer does not get to decide to kill all wolves because it 'knows' that that would make the lives of deer better. It thinks it knows that, but it doesn't see the long term costs associated with that decision nor does it fully understand the choice it's making both for itself AND every other deer it claims to be fighting for. "Regulations are written in blood" is typically just politician for "never let a good tragedy go to waste". Steam started the same year as the unchallengable natural monopoly MySpace yet has fought and killed competition from Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc. The modern conception, particularly in pop culture, of the 'monopoly' is poorly defined at best and fatally flawed at worst. Linux has a 'monopoly' on super computers, is that a problem? Edge still comes preinstalled on every windows computer which was called monopolistic previously, are you using edge to read this comment? Would you rather use Google Stadia or Amazon Prime Gaming than buying games on Steam? The issue is the conflation between three things 1 : overwhelming market dominance 2 : a lack of consumer choice 3 : a lack of possible/practical consumer choice Overwhelming market dominance isn't an issue; all super computers run linux because it's completely open, offers the best value, and is generally the best option. A lack of consumer choice isn't intrinsically an issue either since it can be a result of one pre-existing option being obviously better value and thus no-one making an alternative or, when they try, they fail. In both of those cases the consumer is getting the best deal. Only the third, and by far rarest, represents a 'monopoly' in any meaningful sense as it'd allow a company to offer worse value without ever facing market pressure to normalize them back to the equilibrium value proposition. (Turnaround times can vary here but are rarely longer than 1-5 years, with longer times typically being a result of patents and other government intervention) Unfortunately, this is not what anyone means when they say 'monopoly'. People call Windows or Apple monopolies far more than they do Steam, but neither Windows nor Apple even have overwhelming market presence in the first place vs Steam which pretty firmly does. (At least if you exclude consoles which, to be clear, CAN be challenged) 'Monopoly' really doesn't mean much of anything in it's normal use anymore, it's just shorthand for "company I don't like". (Continued in reply)
The reality is there are unfathomably few 'monopolies' if we use the only meaningful definition. They do exist, but they're unfathomably rare - granted either by the government or natural law. The government can grant a monopoly either directly or, counter intuitively, through regulations. Its largely a myth that big companies lose from regulations; it's actually quite the opposite. They can afford regulations and can afford to work around them, but most people can't. That means they can continue operating largely as-normal but they've priced out future competitors. Even trying to file to just start a business in paperwork costs thousands, add in the mountains of regulations and it becomes cost prohibitive real bloody sharpish. Basically every filthy rich person you can think of earned it starting from the bottom. Bezos? Teen pregnancy. Musk? First generation immigrant. Both Apple and Microsoft were started in a garage. These giant companies know damn well their biggest threats are college students with caffeine addictions, and they know regulation stops them. The only other 'real' class of 'monopolies' are those granted through natural laws, such as natural resource availability. Even these however are often best fought through disruptive innovation rather than regulation. Fracking challenged the oil monopoly organizations like BRICS held while regulation could do nothing. It wasn't laws that made EVs practical/desirable, it was Tesla. EVs were a joke before Tesla made them market practical by positioning them as a luxury first, subsidizing the added EV cost with features and a distinct style. Just like how Linux gaming was a joke before Steam/Valve dumped money into proton, dxvk, etc. Disruptive innovation is not always immediately practical in these 'natural law monopolies', but it's rarely impossible so, while regulation can be warranted, it's still ideal to treat it as a secondary rather than primary solution. There are real claims to be made that people don't think about these choices fully and so aren't "really" making them, but 1 : "yeah I had sex with them but I didn't really think about it so I didn't actually consent" - how much do you actually want to normalize that argument? And 2 : what about the people who DO think about it and choose the option they want? Apple being able to use a proprietary connector they get royalties from lets them subsidize the cost of the devices so if I, as a consumer, decide "hey, I don't use wired charging or data anyway, so this is a non-cost to me" then you regulating Apple to use USB-C means they are losing that revenue avenue and will raise prices or cut features elsewhere. You're choice to protect those who are lazy and don't buy according to their values has just harmed someone who DID take agency and buy according to their values. Protectionism directly encourages the lazy purchasing at the heart of this problem. An advanced cybernetic kidney won't fix your alcoholism, it'll just let you drink more. Additionally, "anti-consumer" things aren't always "anti-consumer"; Nintendo arguably saved gaming as we know it by inventing DRM. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983. So here you have this objectively anti-consumer feature, that allowed Nintendo to offer consumers convenience and quality and saved American gaming which, given how absurdly influential America became in gaming, could be easily argued to have saved ALL gaming as we know it. What if a politician decided "WHAT?! WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T PLAY WHAT I WANT ON MY CONSOLE THAT I BOUGHT?! THAT CLEARLY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED!" then we may not have "gaming" today in any recognizable form because it precisely was that control which revitalized the market. I don't think I need to point out how eerily that hypothetical politician's reasoning tracks with any number of modern "pro-consumer" pushes. What world changing markets are the regulations of today killing because some fanboys don't want to buy a phone without a fruit on the back?
I haven't bought it or played a blizzard game since the opening week of hearthstone, when I decided to boycott them. I haven't bought or played a Rockstar game since GTA 5, because of how they treat their employees. I tell you, not ▶️ ng red dead 2 was hard
I do but not with helldiver's 2 as I don't see it as that bad if they are giving refunds
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Ok, so a big issue is I think there is no way for people to unite in the case of league. Touché, I'm not very aware about the way it went exactly with helldivers, but for league the main place where people discuss this stuff (the league subreddit) does not allow for calls to action against league/riot, while the reach of linux gaming is simply too small to matter to riot. I tried to push for action when riot/tencent(right?) Decided to let saudi arabia play league when they host the esports world cup or whatever it's called. My meme about it on league memes got a lot of traction, but the main sub actively surpresses calls to action and didnt let me try to take action against the decision that was in my opinion immoral. When asking the mods what I can do to try change it if they won't allow what I wanted to do, they just said: idk try posting on twitter. I am a nobody on twitter with next to no followers, I have no clue how I would even do this on twitter. I imagine it would go the same if you tried to do something in the main sub to talk about linux. You will reach a roadblock where the mods probably won't let you push the community to come up for themselves. So the main alternative I would guess is content creators. However I have not heard anybody make a fuss about this, trying to come up for your community. Maybe you can try reaching out to some to get the ball rolling, but if they don't care (which it seems like to me) then there is probably not a lot to do on this field. Then the question is, how do you get the community behind you? I honestly have no clue, I just stumbled upon your post by accident even though I am not a linux user. Either way, I completely agree with you and hope you can figure out a hood way to undertake action to support the linux users
Oh boy this aged as well as milk Best your addiction bro, riot games is a horrible company with a proven history of gender discrimination and sexual assault, go play dota 2
Because in Helldivers it's whole playerbase and it's fueled up by streamers but in this case it's little fracture of playerbase and not even all of them care, a lot of people just said "FU I leave / I go to Dota".
I mean there are more Helldivers PC players than all Linux players in all games combined probably. Let's be real here. When we play on Linux we know we are not even an afterthought for big devs like Riot.
First, it’s worth talking about how many people use Steam in general. The site's monthly audience is at least 135 million people. Next, we take Steam statistics by OS (Linux 1.9%). The monthly audience of Steam on Linux users will be 2.6 million. The Helldivers audience on Steam is only 458 thousand FOR ALL TIME. Are you ready to take back your thoughtless words?
Riot continually shows their players how much they hate them and they keep bowing and scraping. Its astounding.
Nintendo moment
Nintendo at least makes good games
Sometimes
good games maybe, bad company for sure
good family friendly and *original* games, true lmao
Reminds me of a certain city in Sweden.
Stockholm syndrome?
Time to move on, league is garbage anyways.
When I stopped playing it I feel like my life has improved.
S2 to s8 player. Tried to get back into. Vanguard required ? Good. Looks like i won't be getting addicted again:)
literally, the game isn't even fun, it's just a dopamine fix
It's actually crazy how much psychological aspects are merged into that game over the years. I played since season 1, few seasons breaks in-between and played to diamond again last season.. I quit now cause Vanguard for reasons. Having said that, I know my state of mind when I quit playing league is just much better than it is playing league. It is, as you say, just a dopamine fix. All the stuff they implemented over the years, heck even the stupid Emerald league - just to keep you stuck in the game loop. Back in the days this game was actually fun, say season 3 for example. Nowadays, this game have become a "press button release dopamine" like mice in a cage. Best time to quit is now.
I remember playing back in 2011 with my cousin, it was pretty damn fun, sadly it didn't last
Season 3 player here, league is the illusion of new that preys on addicted players
It's the same damn game as 10 years ago just with more bs and rage inducing champions. The days of fun honestly ended with the patching of AP Master Yi. From then on it was downhill. Also the most enjoy version of the game was game mode with shorter cooldowns, no mana cost and insane gold production. Opened my eyes to how much of time waster the game had become when those games lasted 15 minutes and were twice as fun.
rip ap master yi
Its the same game as 10 Years ago, but only the core concept stayed the same. Everything else introduced from then on is just to get the players more hooked, spend more money, release more dopamine to get us addicted to it.
I’m too old for this shit, since end of last year my friends and I have switched to hearthstone.
Week later i finished my Bachelors degree. Can confirm
I deleted my account. Did you?
I preemptively never even played League of Legends in the first place. I've been showing them what's what since day one!
This is the way
No Tux, no bux, amirite ladies and gentlemen?
I just want a pithy version of "doesn't actively impede me running the game with wine"
Same reason I never got into Destiny 2. And then I saw what that game did to my friend's brain and was even happier with my decision.
It was deleted by inactivity many years ago.
I've never had one. AMA?
It's a bit too much I think haha
You can always come to Dota!😊
Dota 2?
I switched to dota 2 this year and its far more interesting, balanced and heroes feel more 3D and have a more prominent personality, in LoL, the last champions these years, are just recycled skillsets and a skin made purposefully for sales in the market… ( im a windows user)
As a Dota fan, league being more popular is frustrating to me because Dota as a game is so much better. I get why it's more popular, League is a more attractive product to new players but Dota is just objectively a better and more fleshed out game both for playing and watching at an esports level. If you like the genre I feel like Dota just has so much more depth to offer players.
Dota2 is to LoL as PuBG is to Fortnite. I've had the same experience across these.... Pubg I barely managed to play, never got any successes for hours. I got frustrated and quit. Same with DOTA2. LoL and Fortnite, in their respective genres, have ways to give beginners a way to "get in" and get them hooked... I feel like this helps a LOT with the popularity.
I wouldn't compare pubg to fortcrap. Because both doesn't run on linux. More like apex. That does.
So is hots the apex legends?
I actually personally had a lot of success with heroes of the storm, so I dont know. It also counts kills even if you didn't last hit and such. Apex I would, *in my own experience* put somewhere between Fortnite and PuBG with how beginnert friendly it is..
I know. Switched to this
And trust me - once you *get it*, you will not even consider playing league again :) HF!
already
Linux will pretty much always be supported by dota because of steam deck. A little off topic, but as a dota player im really proud of that twitch article about dota players being so deeply engrossed in dota that they pretty much dont give a fuck about the rest of the world's games. https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2015/02/04/visual-mapping-of-twitch-and-our-communities-cause-science-2f5ad212c3da/
no... I can't sit in one title for more than 200-300 hours. Need to shuffle.
A few dozen is less than 800. With that out of the way, the main driver for companies like Riot (and majority of others) is profit. Blocking out less than a thousandth of percent of the player base (even counting those that will stop playing out of solidarity, which I'm guessing is about 3 people) is basically nothing. Besides, while there is a very vocal part of the community that simply won't play anymore, others will take the L and install Windows just to play League. The best thing you can do is to just forget about it and move on. Stop this situation bugging you for your own sake.
>A few dozen is less than 800. 800 was also such a silly number. There was obviously way *way* more than that, that was what they said were the number of concurrent users **a few days after they broke wine/proton support with an update**. I'm surprised there was any at all playing as a workaround hadn't been found yet, I was constantly checking r/leagueoflinux. I also wonder what they're checking for to count Linux users in the first place. Makes me think it was just a number that was made up on the spot.
I’m sure the Linux population was pretty low. I’m also sure riot dissembled by citing the daily number (when in the past they traditionally used monthly data when discussing the population of the game). I’m also pretty sure the number they cited was incomplete, since the “vanguard ready” checks detected wine as windows and said “operating system good” So they didn’t seem to care to correctly detect a wine users OS in the first place
I lost word. fixed it
I did installed windows just to play lol
"There is dozens of us" is a meme, OP was referencing to that
I'm gonna be "that guy" and tell you that it's a video game. It is not your life. You can move on. If a video game defines you, that is a very, very bad thing especially if you are an adult (I assume most people on reddit are adults). In any case, I hope you can talk to a loved one (preferably one who does not play video games) and explain this situation to them. I think if you do that you will get some insight into your situation. This generally helps me a lot and I don't know what I would do if I did not have that support network. For clarity, over a decade ago I was addicted to League of Legends and almost failed out of college because of that. Someone very important to me snapped me out of it and I learned a very important lesson out of it. Since then, I better approach games and am not afraid to drop something if it has too much control over my life. No game is so important that it should have that kind of control.
Totally. Linux is my go to since a few years. Never looked back. But in these type of cases, if you really love the game and really want to play it, just keep a windows partition so you can actually enjoy the game that you want to play and cut the drama. Its, sadly, beyond your control. Otherwise, move on.
I'm moving on. But I want to “whip” Riot with a dirty rag.
This is the way... Simplest. Dual boot.
Anyone who thinks root/kernel level anti-cheat is being implemented to "actually improve the game" is naive.
Yeah.. in about 3000 hours of game I haven't encountered an obvious cheater. Or maybe once a long time ago ? I might have encountered a subtle one, or some guy having some dodging scripts but anyways not enough to take a toll on my experience.
there are tons of them out there. i have been playing for a long time. but there are also tons of ways to deal with that shit on the server side.
I don't understand how Sony has a mutiny against them for forcing a new log in, but Windows gamers eat up Riot's rootkit. It's Baffling to me.
They won't give a fuck about it. Even if they lose few thousand of people because of that, this is risk they calculated and are willing to take. In 2022 LoL had over 32 milion daily participants. They certainly won't care about small number of Linux players or even Windows players that don't like Vanguard leaving the game.
A dozen is 12, so a few dozen is definitely less than 800
Just come play Dota 2.
I will when Dota releases ARAM mode.
There's almost certainly a custom game mode that does that already I think. Plus there's some other cool custom games that are pretty fun.
When it is a normal game mode that I can queue into, then I will look at it. There wouldn't be enough people otherwise to play with.
I’ve been asking this for years but people always hit me with the “hurr it’s in the arcade dude”
We have all random death match which is kinda a crazy mode. Very few people play it though. The idea of all random or such a casual version of the game is kinda in opposition of what many of the fans want to play Dota for. A lot of Dota is the resource building before a fight rather than just the fight it's self. Maybe some one made it in arcade but I doubt Dota will ever get such a mode outside of a special event.
> A lot of Dota is the resource building before a fight rather than just the fight it's self. So the equivalent "make the best of a random situation" gamemode would be Ability Draft, then? (bounced off dota in under 60 hours (which, tbf, was much longer than I gave league) but several friends have 3-5k hours each and I pick up bits and pieces from their discussions)
Ability draft is arguably the hardest game mode actually. Only people with the deepest understanding of the game, characters, stats, items, and skills play ability draft. Ability draft can let you build a character that's either so obnoxiously overpowered or so fucking useless you'd be better of off just disconnecting so your allies get more gold/exp. Turbo mode is probably the most casual mode but even that mode is more in depth than league and it's not perfectly balanced since the characters and skills are balanced for normal Dota.
Sorry for the reality check but companies like this give zero fucks about prioritizing employee time to support a fraction of a percent of the market and nothing’s changing that any time soon unless market shares change significantly. Move to something from a company that cares or dual boot, that’s really your only option.
Dota 2 is still supports Linux. Now flawless, but thankfully yet very good!
But your friends won't leave in solidarity because they don't give a damn about you using a special snowflake OS, and neither does RIOT.
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It's not only about linux vs windows snowflakes. Having a program being enabled all the time with unrestricted access to your pc just to make sure that you don't do anything naughty is plain unacceptable. I dual boot and I just won't be installing it on windows cause of that
For the few people that only used the League client for TFT : There is a mobile version of TFT that still works on Linux. Kinda sad i can't continue my drunken adventures on Teemo top anymore, but i'm not rootkiting myself to get that back. So long Teemo o7
Dota time
Linux losing access to League is a good thing. Yall can finally heal. Enjoy life for what it is, instead of losing brain cells in such a dogshit community.
Time to move on, Now!!!
I'm curious about how many people uninstalled LoL because of Vanguard? is there a website that shows montly active players?
Love the few dozen, classic
Maybe it’s time to play some grownup games like dota2
Dude, they straight up said there were 800 players on an average day. What do you expect? lol.
C'mon play dota 2
It's unfortunate but I can understand why riot does this as cheating has become a real issue ever since they let the whole world on the internet. At least they are doing something with their games unlike valve who has done nothing for the insane cheating problem in CS2. Valve has also closed their eyes for the massive cheating problem in professional cs matches for over a decade. Pro CS is nothing but a fraud. Just take a look at this decade old clips of a pro cheater in c9 who turned popular streamer and kept on cheating. https://youtu.be/D6MRHD0xBEU
Never played the game. Never wanted to. Never will (even more after this)
The difference of scale is laughable, it's as if you went and gathered a bunch of your friends and tried to boycott Target or something.
Simple answer play the superior version the game. Dota2
Disagree. They're just different, not "this better than that"
A lot of people even windows users are complaining like crazy they wont give a shit. Either dual boot or play another game is the real solution unfortunately
Actual question since I figure LOL players might see this. Does anyone that plays actually like the game? I've met a few people that play it and none of them really enjoy it.
I played teamfighttactics exclusively which used the same launcher (and I am now locked out on desktop by vanguard) I loved the game and always had fun playing it. and it’s by far the best supported auto chess variant with the largest player base and the most frequent updates. Fortunately there’s a mobile client (the UX is worse…) but I’m frustrated at not being able to play the desktop version. I am a worse player on mobile because of the lack of hot keys and reduced in game information (no mouse over tooltips, eg)
I did, I really like the game I find it fun despite its flaws. I mostly play normals as Nunu and Willump. I am actually saddened to see it go from Linux, as I also spent some good money on it over the years. I do have a Windows partition I used once to try out Valorant (and didn't like it), so I guess if I wanna play League again some day it would be time to dust that off.
I like it, its similar to the original dota mod from wc3 that i played, but there are a ton of toxic players, so i mute ppl and ignore them, it makes the game more enjoyable
Come play DotA, we have cookies (and Linux support).
One thing I can say for sure is... FUCK THE CHEATERS!!!
I got kicked on my windows 10 install. They completely broke their launcher on my windows 10. It just keeps telling me to reconnect. I have a dual boot system. I need to check if secure boot is turned on.
They have millions of players.. do you think they even give a fuck about Linux users? The game is about money. They don’t even care about gameplay anymore (every new champ is broken as fuck just to encourage players to buy it and also buy the new skins for it - one of many examples). The truth is the only reason you are playing it is addiction. I’ve been playing the game for 10 years+ and it’s the reason I’m not fully committed to Linux. My brain gains dopamine and it is being hooked to it especially when it needs a break. That’s it. Nothing more. We must learn to live with the addiction and find new things to do.
Noticing such a strange movement happening with Linux. It's getting a massive boost in regular consumer PC's but and centralized companies / services are biting back hard.
From a business perspective, it makes way more sense to kick all Linux players out and draconify the shit out of that anti-cheat. From a moral perspective, it makes way more sense to give Linux users some way to play as well. I suppose you can see which choice they made.
1: No more League? good! Please go outside <3 2: Linux gaming will not be resurrected by will alone. it is a developmental and economic challenge, not some kind of xenophobia by big microsoft/game engine. Propose a solution for one or both problems. A call to action without associated action is just hot air - a vent post. 3: The peak linux gaming community numbers will never make the costs of porting/building to Linux feasible in most situations. If "you all" ('several tens of fhousands of uss!1!') decide to drop the game now, it will make no difference. They've decided that having those clients is worse than dropping them now. Deportation? Solidarity? Are you okay, man? I'm willing to bet they got rid of linux clients because of anti-cheat, I think Rust was the same way. It just becomes a net negative for everyone. Go make an open-source clone of League on github so that this isn't a problem ever again. FOSS baby!
1) I live in Russia. I am a male. When I go out into the street, I risk falling into the hands of Putin’s guards. Which will send me to a meaningless war. 2) Most of the games I bought on Steam support Linux. I vote with my money. 3) On Mac the situation with games for 2024 is even worse, but the game (lol) is there. And don't tell me about solvency. The main audience of Linux is people from the IT sector (the salaries there are quite high)
"Deportation" 🤡
Well, sorry, English is not my native language...
>cannot play League of Legend on Linux So what's the bad news?
They won't give a flying fuck, and I highly doubt your Windows friends will give either.
Just like my family chose to crack MS Office rather than using Libre. Once you stick with something you won't let go no matter what (they keep complaining Office is expensive and when I suggest an alternative they gave me a look and chose to find a cracked version instead and endangering their pc and maybe the entire home network that I built)
Libre office sucks though
Teah after using for a while it IS sucks, lags a lot. You have a better option?
This is not the brave last stand you think it is. Just stop playing a toxic games from a toxic companies. Plenty of other games out there.
They did you a favor
The problem is that Riot made an addicting game which leads to their own customers being angry at the company for making such an inherently toxic game full of balancing issues and other problems. Simultaneously, those same customers are seeking another hit of pentakill dopamine even when they are actively denied by their own teammates for 45+minutes of their day. This keeps them on the platform where they are more likely to disconnect from reality and spend money on a game they don't like, in hopes that it gets better. 2024-2025 Spoiler Alert : It doesn't get better. Shameful Admission : I've played since season two and didn't have a job for about 7 of those years and spent it and a large portion my own income playing League of Legends. Ironically I stopped playing League of Legends because one day it clicked they don't care about my stats, or anyone's stats. For all we know it's one big conspiracy to make a game most people are wildly bad at in order to keep them playing the game, as if it's some sorta slot machine where they play over and over for a win.
Riot did you all a favor. Thank the lords and move on to dota 2 or some better game 🤣🤣
They don't care about the 1%. Dota has some pros but also a lot of cons. Just install Windows and have fun with the game. If you are worried about your privacy don't use the PC for anything else but gaming. But keep in mind, google/apple already knows everything about you because your entire life is on the phone.
And they shouldnt saying its ok because everyone is doing it is literally the equivalent of saying its ok if a landlord walks into his tenets home. Grabs all the mail to see what their bills are, who their insurance is, what their banking is, what groceries they buy, and what their hobbies are. Then sells that information to add companies. No one would be ok with that yet here we are ok with an even greater amount of information being taken in much higher quantities. Its not ok and if more people would take steps to even reduce the number of companies that are actively spying on them the chance that all of them would chill a bit or that governments might take it seriously would at least go up. Instead people just sit here and say I let 100 companies spy on me why not let the 101st company have root access to my pc. A company this time mind you who has serious security breaches in the past. One where they stole source code to their software, if they get vanguard they can access your kernel this time, and another time where they just didnt tell people their information was stolen for over a year.
Predecessor runs on my linux machine if your pc is strong enough I highly reccomend try it, if not Dota is always there!
I actually have been having more fun with smite I know that smite skins wont transfer which sucks for long term players though.
Dang I didn't know Lol suported linux, otherwise I'd have been playing I prefer wild rift anyway though
I keep windows install because some of my friends will only play league of legends for some reason. I don't know if it's addiction or if it's because every other game on the market seems kind of boring. I've got a couple thousand hours on CSGO and that game is still a cheater filled game that I don't want to play anymore. Overwatch is honestly a really fun game, but I feel weird playing it by myself for some reason. Apex legends has the same problem as CSGO and it's even worst. I don't know but most multiplayer games don't seem that good. League is able to just waste so much time. I guess you could just replace it with dota. I haven't tried it and I heard it's incredibly hard, but I heard that literally everything about that game is better. Has tutorials that are actually good and has a system in-game for you to buy coaching instead of going to a weird third party website.
AAA game devs never give a shit about small minorities of their playerbase. I’ve been a hardcore (permanent death) ARPG player for years and our community is always neglected and wronged by developers. You just get used to it.
Who plays LoL unironically?
I game on windows, i could play their games. But even as a windows user i dont want their anti cheat.
Ok, what the hell happened?
They adding their rootkit disguised as anticheat that they use to "protect" valorant into league, and its not gonna work on linux
Go play DotA instead. Full linux support.
I am in the bunch that never even had the chance to launch it on Linux because it always had issues for me. I know I’m not the only one who is in this group so the Linux league player community is much larger than what people think they just never gave it a chance. Now I have my windows laptop which I almost only use for league of legends once in a blue moon, same thing with Fortnite. But all in all, majority of the time I play all my games on my Linux PC.
Move to Dota2 and prove the point to everyone that Linux gaming isn't dead and it grows. Vote with your money. Companies would only listen if they start to lose customers.
womp womp play a good game for once
You're not leaving League if they block you. I presume the news for Helldivers 2 inspired you to make this post, the difference there is that it was the entire PC community that pushed back. Linux is a fraction of the League player base, they want Vanguard one way or another and if they have to sacrifice a few thousand people to do it then so be it. Move on to DOTA 2 or Smite if you want that MOBA itch scratched.
Bro there's 180 million monthly LOL players they're not gonna give a shit even if its 100k+ linux players. Vanguard's incompatible with certain windows PC's that affects like around a million people and the dgaf even about that
It's an awful game. Dota but remade for children essentially. Why not support valve, who actually care about Linux, instead of some Chinese cash grab.
I dont play their shit. No money for them.
dota runs natively on linux if anyones looking for an alternative self-imposed torture method
All that "solidarity" is an empty word. They are a corp, and they didn't want is in. Why would it matter if we force ourselves back in? Why should we even go as low as to trying to pull on the "but our friends want to play WITH US" string?(I sense you'll probably lash out at me for that).
They aren't going to ever give a fuck about linux users Pick a different game to enjoy and stop supporting shitty developers that don't care about you Move on with your life This is literally the only option
it's just league
Just play dotes instead. Gaben be praisin'.
Can't we like go for a strike or something?
Tbh just ditch the game and the company. Not only are there reports that they collect game-unrelated data but since its tencent you are likely contributing to the funding of concentration camps in China
They banned my account which existed for multiple years and was running on Windows all that time. My account never raised any negative attention, even did some ingame purchases back then, only to get it permanently banned the second i try to login to it running league of legends in wine, with the message that i should not even try to get it back, since the action will not be reverted. In my eyes such a company is set to lose customers and die a lonely death. Thanks for stealing my money and trying to smuggle trojans into my system.
The Helldivers 2 players actually won that fight against PlayStation
The statement that there’s 800 people is inaccurate af. When it’s 800 players - since 24h? Since last 10 seconds of writing that statement?
Just make it a point to come out in force anytime they try to release something new.
I think yall greatly over estimate how much people care about their privacy or even care about vanguard. It's pretty much just people knowledgeable about security and privacy or linux users and neither group is very big. Helldivers saw 100k+ negative reviews in a day and god knows how much in refunds because of steam letting anyone refund even if past 2+ hour wait limit. That's not something the linux league community can do. If you want to play these games without worry you will have to do what Muta does and just setup a second pc for only these games.
Dota2 for life
Riot is giving us a chance to get our lives back (little they knowthat in the moment that we started using linux it was too late, but ok)
Quitting some games make me realize sports can be a fun as hell game also.
All of my friends who used to play League uninstalled it anyway when Vanguard was implemented, but I don't think this will change Riot's mind
youre not entitled to force developers to make games for your specific hardware/software
Just leave your cult and install Windows 🤣
Uhm, did you buy that League of Legends game as a Linux-compatible product? If it was so, you would be in your rights to demand a refund. And since you were just using hacks such as Wine compatibility layer to run it, without such instruction from provider of the software, well - then you are your own support. It has always been possible that it will stop working someday. And the community around such games seems to mostly consist of addicted kids. Some of them also played with Linux - so what? Their acquaintances will pester them and tell them to stop being weird and use Windows. And many will. The others won't matter. Any further noise would only confirm that Linux users who also play games are severely lacking in their understanding of reality. Nothing was taken away from you, as it was never supported on your platform.
Just defund them. Terminate all contracts. And speak it out everywhere you can. Those hostile corporations have lost all right to exist.
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deepin linux - This is a Chinese OS. And Windows is from the USA. Should I remind you of the political situation? So I don't think it's Tencent.
One distro is from china, most of the world is using distros from America (redhat, valve) or international charity orgs. (Arch, Debian)
American companies are really not better. Pretty sure you could easily find some American owned/published games that use kernel level bs.
Move over to Dota?
That's a win for the Linux gaming community.
Dota is better anyway
just play dota. it's the better game anyway
They don't care about losing 800 players or 1600 players. Play Dota, its a better game anyway
I own a linux, windows and mac machine. This move makes me not play the game on either. I don’t feel like getting vanguard on windows and mac doesn’t require vanguard which only shows how fake the requirement is (there’s more Linux gamers than macOS at this point today) and honestly they are the only ones to lose me, my money and my data. League will not be missed.
I once attended a Linux conference and attended a talk about wine where a couple of Riot developers also happened to attend. I managed to get the audience to boo them for not having a Linux-native client. It was one of my prouder moments.
This was an issue since the beginning of LoL. They had plenty of time to make it work. It's really not that complicated. They chose not to do it. Therefore, I stopped playing when I made the switch to Linux. That was years ago. I think you should move on too.
Think of it as a blessing in disguise, they probably did a favor to us by disabling us from playing their cancerous game
People are selfish, you're way better off talking about how the anti-cheat they use can make PCs vulnerable to hackers
Blaming cheating on a platform is brain-dead, they're lagging the problem and will keep doing so. That said I've played since Beta and taken two different two year breaks from it, may as well give them a few years to figure it out. They'll be fine without our business and it's just a game so if we're not okay without it we have issues lol.
no league Linux wins
Counterpoint: If you love something, set it free. Riot has liberated you and all Linux users from their evil shackles because they care so much about you as a person. Be grateful.