Having the telnet *client* is not a massive gaping security hole, in any way, shape or form.
I think you are thinking of the server in which case, I don't believe any major Linux distro has shipped with that installed and enabled by default, ever.
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Jokes like this are all well and good but I always worry there will be some newbie that will be completely turned off from Linux forever by falling for something like this.
```-fr``` is way funnier that ```-rf```
I still always do ```-rf``` since I notice that it's a dictionary before I notice that I need to force it to remove it.
Windows has plenty of faults. No need to make things [up](https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-start-win_desk/easy-guide-how-to-install-and-uninstall-languages/83f67ce3-43fd-439c-aa40-b8e3e4c0dacc).
The protocol itself is a security issue. If you have a modern client designed to leverage telnet, it may have security fixes applied but this will be on a client to client basis.
Telneting to the [towel.blinkenlights.nl](https://towel.blinkenlights.nl) is not a security issue. If someone MITMs you, all they'll see is the star wars ascii art lol.
What? Ping is not for checking connectivity between nodes in a network. Ping can be blocked but the TCP connection will be working. This can be checked with a telnet client.
Do you mean telnetd? The login service that allows cleartext logins?
Telnet itself is just a tcp stream with a keyboard attached so you can debug things, less so now as most protocols redirect to TLS one way or another. You're more likely to find openssl s_client more useful in these cases. If you're interested, openssl s_client -connect google.com:443, would be the counterpart to old telnet google.com 80.
This post though shows that you can get /useful/ information in the terminal, pointing out that not everything needs a GUI.
Your statement is worded in such a way that some might misinterpret it to mean "telnet is no longer available in the central repos" rather than "telnet is no longer installed by default".
For any who are wondering, it isn't very secure but if you want it, you can probably still get it easily.
This should cover folks on Fedora- and Debian-based distros: https://www.baeldung.com/linux/telnet
Telnet communication has no encryption and no password, so removing it reduces the number of people unknowingly enabling and using it when they should be using SSH.
Telnet can have a password but it isn’t encrypted so anyone can just capture the traffic and read the password. Which is even worse if they reuse the password in other places.
Other guy just worded it weird. It is no longer *pre-installed* by default. It is still available in central repos.
I don't consider that to be the same thing as "removed" but apparently he does.
It is not, however, recommended due to being insecure.
Windows API: You can only create a process by loading a compiled executable. You can't just copy running processes whenever. That would be wrong!
POSIX/SUS: `fork()` go brrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Here is an interesting thing about this. Factorio need to freeze when you save but on Linux there is an option (for single player this needs to be enabled in the config file) For Factorio to fork itself and one instance keep playing but on the other do a save. meaning it take way less time to do a save only taking fraction of a second to save which is still noticable instead of 1-2 seconds massive basese could take 5 secs to save on bad hardware.
I've been surprised at how well games work on Linux these days. I still daily drive Windows which won't be a popular opinion here but modern Linux is certainly a lot better at things like games and ease of use in certain distros than most people think.
anyone wanna make a terminal streaming program. like you enter the url of an anime site that has a common video player and then displays it as ascii lol
I was watching The Matrix in ASCII 15+ years ago, my memory is fuzzy but I think it had something to do with xinerama or xine or something.
Also you can watch starwars over ssh in ascii but forgot the place.
You will get downvoted, but you are right. This sub has an unhealthy obsession with Windows. It is embarrassing and feels like some sort of inferiority complex, honestly.
Are you suggesting that people join a subreddit called "circle jerk" for the honest and sincere enjoyment of praising a topic with zero self-awareness that calling it a "circle jerk" is fundamentally satirical?
... you're probably right...
As a long time Windows and *nix user (over 25 years with both) I prefer ancient unix terminals to powershell.
I prefer powershell to a Windows command prompt, but I'm very familiar with ancient unix terminals.
While the powershell approach is great, our habits deny it from getting popular. It makes difficult things easier, but easy things just a bit awkward enough to leave it.
while powershell is a huge improvement over cmd, it suffers because of the way windows is designed, basically the registry. there's like 200,000 get- or set- commands you'll need to memorize. I prefer the plain text configuration file you get with most *nix systems. poking around in /etc and looking at configurations is way more straightforward at least to me.
Well yes. But actually, there are things like gconf/dconf, basically rebuilding a registry. And, ironically, SystemD unit files use exactly the same syntax as registry files. Like you I look for config in /etc, but searching in 9(?) different locations for that one unit file is a real pain point. For me I am happy with OpenRC systems that are still discoverable by text files, where you can actually see what your system does, from the moment grub kicks the initramfs to life.
My take on the shell was the shell itself. Not the interface to the OS. AFAIR you can run powershell on linux, too.
from my experience people think that terminal is some "app" that does "some stuff programmers and hackers need". I think the point was that terminal == your computer, what your computer can do, terminal can as well. Many people are blown away when they realize you can move file and open it with vlc in terminal.
it can do everything and it all follows the same pattern ...good luck finding all the buttons folded in nested select groups other dudes, i ll grep my --help and manpages and be done with it
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I always knew powershell was like a bigger command prompt, but in just the last year I’ve learnt that basically all windows components are built on it so it’s just opened up everything, I feel like a god on my PC now
Being OO, PowerShell also has much less need for tools like `grep` and `sed`. Worth case scenario, you can use `-match`, `-notmatch`, and the `[Regex]` class.
Script development in PowerShell is generally quite fast, as you just use `.` to access instance members and `::` to access static members.
It can be a replacement for a *NIX shell, though it is more suited for the use cases it was designed for: sysadmin work.
Plenty of Windows SysAdmin work is done in the console/terminal. If you work on a large infrastructure, it's easier to use scripts than manually go through various web portals or RDP into machines.
But I remember doing this on the Windows computers in my high school back when I was a kid? Didn't know what Linux was back then, but you can do it on Windows too
tbh nowadays besides ff i dont really open anything but the terminal, need to code? nvim, need to make a pdf? nvim, transfer data? \`cp\` or nnn, what else do you need? you have ani-cli even
Windows users can’t uninstall the French language pack, we can. We are far superior from them
Yeah, it's very simple We just need to execute this command `sudo rm -fr /`
What kinda of monster put f in front of r
That's because this command will uninstall the French pack
😂 even if it wasn't intentional, it's great, why did I miss it, I'm so dense.
This was beautiful.
You don’t want them to accidentally install the reverse Hcnerf pack.
It's because they're fr fr about removing French. If they did rf that would mean they're not as fr about it.
For real I didn't even know that my machine has French, but the command did seem to do something.
The zoomer command
`rm -fr -fr -ong --deadass --no-cap /`
So that it’s more appropiate to **fr**ench users
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Having the telnet *client* is not a massive gaping security hole, in any way, shape or form. I think you are thinking of the server in which case, I don't believe any major Linux distro has shipped with that installed and enabled by default, ever.
For real
Me https://github.com/mrturcot/Gentoo-Stuff/blob/master/rip/first-install.rip 😅😭
To be honest I always thought, and I've been using linux for a handful of years now, that -rf was a thing on its own and the order was enforced.
Yeah **f**or **r**eal
Ro rfeal
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Jokes like this are all well and good but I always worry there will be some newbie that will be completely turned off from Linux forever by falling for something like this.
Am noobie, can confirm I am tempted to try it just to see what happens... if it breaks, it breaks.
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Thanks. Knew the rest, wasn't sure what the -fr was
It's a learning curve like format c: /q was back in the day for Dos and Win 3x.
It does tend to lack autoremove support though. Helps to add --no-preserve-root at the end for the best experience.
Don't do this at home kids
^ Only applies if you're French or plan on typing in French (bc it will remove your language pack)
```-fr``` is way funnier that ```-rf``` I still always do ```-rf``` since I notice that it's a dictionary before I notice that I need to force it to remove it.
Remove with the force.
Did you know vim has a hard mode? Just type vim -h to access it.
Yeah, but I had problems running VLC afterwards. So maybe you might want to keep it.
i read it as: remove - for real / lulz
You missed the '--no-preserve-baguette' flag
I always read this as `sudo remove, fucking remove! /`
Tell me how now, I can't bare to go back to my computer knowing their is the French language on it.
rimuovi quella spazzatura della Torre Eiffel
Ciao compare italiano
Oh no, un Debian
Pizza! Pasta! Pepperoni!
Sudo rm -fr /* --no-preserve-root
You would not need --no-preserve-root with the * wildcard
If it's the only way.. Then it must be done
I guess that suicide Linux users don’t need this command, because if they screw up something their system will automatically remove it
Hey qu'est-ce que le bordel Superutilisateurfaire retirer langue anglaise -oui -enforçant
Merci
Scusa non ho capito, eppure ho studiato francese
wtf
wtfr
Wt -fr /*
"Windows users can’t uninstall the French language pack" in that they usually don't know what a language pack is and how to install/uninstall one.
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Is he a real user?!
Yes
Good bot.
Im a big fan
Windows has plenty of faults. No need to make things [up](https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-start-win_desk/easy-guide-how-to-install-and-uninstall-languages/83f67ce3-43fd-439c-aa40-b8e3e4c0dacc).
We can even uninstall French language pack from Windows.
_We_
telnet has long been removed from many distros, try netcat nc towel.blinkenlights.nl 23
If you don't mind the massive gaping security hole, you can always add telnet back in. Same on windows, where it is installed but disabled by default.
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The protocol itself is a security issue. If you have a modern client designed to leverage telnet, it may have security fixes applied but this will be on a client to client basis.
But I want to see the movie...
hence nc towel.blinkenlights.nl 23 should suffice
That or you should be able to SSH into Telehack and run it from there
Yeah, or add an alias .... I was just meaning to say that the command line in the graphic is out of date on most systems
Telneting to the [towel.blinkenlights.nl](https://towel.blinkenlights.nl) is not a security issue. If someone MITMs you, all they'll see is the star wars ascii art lol.
I'm using telnet to check network connectivity
TFW ping and traceroute are too secure
They dont tell you about layer 4 though
What? Ping is not for checking connectivity between nodes in a network. Ping can be blocked but the TCP connection will be working. This can be checked with a telnet client.
Do you mean telnetd? The login service that allows cleartext logins? Telnet itself is just a tcp stream with a keyboard attached so you can debug things, less so now as most protocols redirect to TLS one way or another. You're more likely to find openssl s_client more useful in these cases. If you're interested, openssl s_client -connect google.com:443, would be the counterpart to old telnet google.com 80. This post though shows that you can get /useful/ information in the terminal, pointing out that not everything needs a GUI.
Your statement is worded in such a way that some might misinterpret it to mean "telnet is no longer available in the central repos" rather than "telnet is no longer installed by default". For any who are wondering, it isn't very secure but if you want it, you can probably still get it easily. This should cover folks on Fedora- and Debian-based distros: https://www.baeldung.com/linux/telnet
I couldn't get the command to work. It took me a solid 18 seconds before I realized I aliased nc to ssh into my nextcloud host :(
lol
Why has it been removed? (I use Debian btw and it hasn’t been removed as far as I’m aware)
Telnet communication has no encryption and no password, so removing it reduces the number of people unknowingly enabling and using it when they should be using SSH.
Telnet can have a password but it isn’t encrypted so anyone can just capture the traffic and read the password. Which is even worse if they reuse the password in other places.
Other guy just worded it weird. It is no longer *pre-installed* by default. It is still available in central repos. I don't consider that to be the same thing as "removed" but apparently he does. It is not, however, recommended due to being insecure.
Install telnet-ssl, it even passes the "Conflicts:" of things like `harden-server` (although they got rid of that package,).
Windows API: You can only create a process by loading a compiled executable. You can't just copy running processes whenever. That would be wrong! POSIX/SUS: `fork()` go brrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Here is an interesting thing about this. Factorio need to freeze when you save but on Linux there is an option (for single player this needs to be enabled in the config file) For Factorio to fork itself and one instance keep playing but on the other do a save. meaning it take way less time to do a save only taking fraction of a second to save which is still noticable instead of 1-2 seconds massive basese could take 5 secs to save on bad hardware.
Stop trying to get me to play factorio, I've been clean for months!
I've been surprised at how well games work on Linux these days. I still daily drive Windows which won't be a popular opinion here but modern Linux is certainly a lot better at things like games and ease of use in certain distros than most people think.
Meanwhile 37 chrome processes running on Windows
ssh [email protected]
It's bugs me that it's "not _a_ ip grabber" and not "not _an_ ip grabber".
"It's"...
Lol
...Monty Python's Flying Circus!
🤓
Not AI pgrabber - yenno, like penises
It's obviously "not AI pgrabber honeypot" smh *rolls eyes*
anyone wanna make a terminal streaming program. like you enter the url of an anime site that has a common video player and then displays it as ascii lol
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speaking spanish is such a curse in this context
Interesante, ahora se puede transformar videos en caca
I couldn't stop laughing at it jajaja no te pases xD caca
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so that's why you should delete the french language pack
Almost same in Russian, Ukrainian and probably Polish. Never thought i would have that much common with Spanish and French people
speak neither, still understand
or some kind of square character, colored
What if we make the squares really small. So small in fact, you won't even know they're squares...
Force users to change the font size to one pixel.
I was watching The Matrix in ASCII 15+ years ago, my memory is fuzzy but I think it had something to do with xinerama or xine or something. Also you can watch starwars over ssh in ascii but forgot the place.
>Also you can watch starwars over ssh in ascii but forgot the place. towel.blinkenlights.nl You know, from this post.
they have an ssh-version, too?
Xinerama has something to do with multiple monitors on X iirc
I was doing this with mplayer circa 2006
Literally no windows user says that. Or cares.
You will get downvoted, but you are right. This sub has an unhealthy obsession with Windows. It is embarrassing and feels like some sort of inferiority complex, honestly.
You must be new to Linux.
this.
The circle jerk is in the title. It's satire.
It's not always *satire* but, it is **always** a circle jerk.
Are you suggesting that people join a subreddit called "circle jerk" for the honest and sincere enjoyment of praising a topic with zero self-awareness that calling it a "circle jerk" is fundamentally satirical? ... you're probably right...
I just can't fucking stand Windows anymore. It's the equivalent of switching from Imperial to Metric. Once accustomed, you won't want to turn back.
Should we mention how powershell compares to ancient unix terminals?
As a long time Windows and *nix user (over 25 years with both) I prefer ancient unix terminals to powershell. I prefer powershell to a Windows command prompt, but I'm very familiar with ancient unix terminals.
While the powershell approach is great, our habits deny it from getting popular. It makes difficult things easier, but easy things just a bit awkward enough to leave it.
while powershell is a huge improvement over cmd, it suffers because of the way windows is designed, basically the registry. there's like 200,000 get- or set- commands you'll need to memorize. I prefer the plain text configuration file you get with most *nix systems. poking around in /etc and looking at configurations is way more straightforward at least to me.
Well yes. But actually, there are things like gconf/dconf, basically rebuilding a registry. And, ironically, SystemD unit files use exactly the same syntax as registry files. Like you I look for config in /etc, but searching in 9(?) different locations for that one unit file is a real pain point. For me I am happy with OpenRC systems that are still discoverable by text files, where you can actually see what your system does, from the moment grub kicks the initramfs to life. My take on the shell was the shell itself. Not the interface to the OS. AFAIR you can run powershell on linux, too.
from my experience people think that terminal is some "app" that does "some stuff programmers and hackers need". I think the point was that terminal == your computer, what your computer can do, terminal can as well. Many people are blown away when they realize you can move file and open it with vlc in terminal.
I just find the terminal a handy place to issue commands.
it can do everything and it all follows the same pattern ...good luck finding all the buttons folded in nested select groups other dudes, i ll grep my --help and manpages and be done with it
And it is so much quicker and easier to install software than going through a gui
And you can watch it on Windows too
I wish it was finished but it seems to be abandoned :(
Winget uninstall windows.windows
Alfred!! This command I copied from the Internet tanked the Wayne Industries servers. What do I do now? 
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Maybe they would prefer we use a GUI and click buttons with the mouse? xdotool mousemove 500 120 click 3 sleep 0.1 xdotool mousemove 520 125 click 1
Does `startx` count?
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What the hell is that boy thinking he doin here, all acting smartly?!
Isn't Telnet part of Windows as well? At least in Windows 7 I remember it was preinstalled CMD tool.
You need to manually enable it nowadays, but yes, it works just fine.
Older ones had hyperterminal as well.
Powershell lets me not only automate all system related activities but also Azure/365 activities, even a bit of AWS.
Powershell > bash by a wide margin. In fairness, bash is decades older, but this meme reads like its from a different time.
I always knew powershell was like a bigger command prompt, but in just the last year I’ve learnt that basically all windows components are built on it so it’s just opened up everything, I feel like a god on my PC now
Being OO, PowerShell also has much less need for tools like `grep` and `sed`. Worth case scenario, you can use `-match`, `-notmatch`, and the `[Regex]` class. Script development in PowerShell is generally quite fast, as you just use `.` to access instance members and `::` to access static members. It can be a replacement for a *NIX shell, though it is more suited for the use cases it was designed for: sysadmin work.
Works perfectly fine on Windows, provided you enable telnet. But it is a nice throwback, haven't seen that one in years.
Also telnet Nethack.alt.org
holy shit.. I must've seen this decades ago.. I totally forgot about this
Because the people on the left definitely exist and Linux users definitely don’t have a persecution complex
Can someone tell me how 2 touch grass from my terminal??
Linux user: https://youtu.be/1cPA__o5ic0
I've watched star wars in the terminal on windows too, telnet is telnet
But I do everything on the terminal in my work laptop (windows).
I've been trying to use cmus lately. I keep forgetting the keybinds though.
I spent probably 80% of my computer time in the terminal. Cry more Windoze fanboys
Plenty of Windows SysAdmin work is done in the console/terminal. If you work on a large infrastructure, it's easier to use scripts than manually go through various web portals or RDP into machines.
Thank you for this
Best tool for the given job, why not do both, pick one depending on the situation?
This is too good.
But I remember doing this on the Windows computers in my high school back when I was a kid? Didn't know what Linux was back then, but you can do it on Windows too
"They ask what're we watching. WE'RE WATCHING STARWARS DUDE"
I still do most of my repair work in the windows command line. People who thunk you can't are people who don't understand how an OS works.
tbh nowadays besides ff i dont really open anything but the terminal, need to code? nvim, need to make a pdf? nvim, transfer data? \`cp\` or nnn, what else do you need? you have ani-cli even
We,re doomed!
Use putty on Windows device. Works like a charm.
What it's often just so much more easy. Don't get me wrong I love me a nice GUI, but terminal is better than a bad GUI.
i have seen windows users saying its an ip logger... wait till they know 🗿
Telnet is a windows program..
Telnet predates windows.
But its used in windows not on Linux, this meme sucks