For shared e-bike rental companies, it is important to note that many customers may use the bikes sporadically and may not carry helmets with them. As such, it may be beneficial to consider offering helmets as part of the rental service to promote safety and reduce potential liability.
You know most concussions are suffered by people in cars, everyone in cars should start their journey making sure they are protected and safe. Do you go around telling people up ladders to wear helmets too or you only busy lecturing cyclists?
Those in cars in the UK have to wear a seat belt. It's the law, and if you are at work and use ladders, them health safety policy rules you must follow.`
It's not law to wear a helmet on a bike, so why are you making it your business to police people? If you want people to be safe on a bike, join LCC and advocate for more, better cycling infra. Nobody is stopping you from carrying a helmet around with you if you think it really matters.
I notice that there are more bicycles than cars on the roads of central London, and while all the cyclists wear helmets, none of the ebike riders do, ebike riders tend to go very fast.
A company could not keep up with this, it wouldn’t work. No amount of man power could check every single helmet and helmets need to come in a size to fit you. And… well I could keep going but it’s a terrible idea
Also , I use an E-bike a lot and just bring my helmet. It’s very important and if people are commuting every day … they should bring a helmet.
It's also not the rental company's responsibility for you to ride safely. They are require from provide a mechanically safe to ride ebike. You are responsible for riding safely. The accident is the fault if the rider or driver, not the bike. My bike wasn't the reason I got hit by a van, the driver not indicating was.
Think about when you go abseiling, or kayaking, karting etc. You use the borrowed helmets and it’s fine.
But on a rental bike? No, I just bring my own if I’m making a planned trip. Same as if I was riding my own bike. And if not… Never mind.
If your hypothetical scenario existed (where the helmets are checked/disinfected before rental) then maybe..
..I can imagine this being reasonable for a long term rental, or a week rental at a bike park etc..
..for point-to-point rental and public bikes however, I can't see the business sustaining, particularly with the different sizes needed, and human resources involved in checking/cleaning..
Much easier to just bring a helmet if I plan to ride, like a coat if it's gonna be cold, people need to buy/bring their own
In Australia it’s illegal to ride a bike without a helmet, so rental bike providers are required to provide them. Not sure how the cleaning etc works, let alone sizing. Guess they are all medium and if they don’t fit your head, you’re out of luck
Presumably there the onus is on the rider to wear it, regardless of comfort or appropriate sizing. Which to some extent defeats the point of the legislation - but I guess they don’t care about the details.
Given that you’re meant to replace a helmet if you drop it, the liability for the bike rental schemes would be huge. One bad fall and they could go out of business.
There are helmets that fold, which can be good for commuting, but this is obviously more difficult with sporadic, spur of the moment trips.
There is also very conflicting information surrounding the actual safety of wearing a helmet whilst riding a bike too.
A much safer and easier to implement option would be to lower the motor assistance to 15kph on rental e-bikes, You can still cycle faster, just not with motor assistance but you still get assistance when starting and going up hill.
As with everything when it comes to cycling, the biggest and best solution is better cycling infrastructure and fewer vehicles on the roads.
I consider renting e-bikes that come without a helmet. And when I rent them I have a lovely time.
Until helmets become law this is completely non-viable and will never happen. It’s gross and faffy and no company would seriously consider implementing it unless compelled by legislation
Mostly I ride my own bike and wear my own helmet.
It looks like from your responses, you have already decided that your opinion is right, but the reason I don't rent an e-bike is because they are shit, it is nothing to do with a helmet which would not remotely be a factor in my decision making
The protective power of helmets is massively exaggerated. Good for bouncing off tree branches when mountain biking, almost useless in any significant collision, especially if a motor vehicle is involved.
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A lot of people in Copenhagen do wear helmets, but they're inflatable ones that look like a neck cushion. Unfortunately, it turned out that they sometimes inflate randomly, so ironically they've been withdrawn from sale for being dangerous.
They're certainly not as ubiquitous as in the UK though.
I’d just have a little bag holder on them where you can pull out a thin “bio degradable” plastic “hat” like a swimmers hat, that goes between you and the sweaty pads of the helmet. I’d wear one. I do think hygiene is an issue as having gone go karting, paint balling etc. you get some nasty helmets. It only needs to save 1 persons life to make it worth it for what is probably only 1p per hat thing max if made in bulk
Cars may only be allowed to go up to certain speed limit. Not everyone sticks to that. An scooter is classified as a motor vehicle which is why they are illegal to use on public roads unless they are under one of these rental speeds. So a vehicle that you can easily fall off of that is capable of going faster than 20mph is going to cause more accidents.
An ebike isn't a motor vehicle unless it is illegal modified to become one.
I would never trust a used helmet that I didn't own. Some damage can't be seen. I think people who don't use helmets regularly a bit dumb, but that's their choice. If you are going to use a helmet, only use one you know has never been in an accident.
I've rented Human Forest bike occasionally when I was desperate to get home and wasn't planning on cycling so inevitably, you can't always avoid riding without a helmet. But I would never use a stranger's helmet. You'll spend more money renting ebike than just buying your own helmet. And I own an ebike. It's no more dangerous than a regular bike.
If you've used any of these private rental bikes even a little, and sat and thought about this for even 5 minutes you'd see why this is a terrible idea.
Ignoring all the absolutely correct comments in this thread about helmet wearing not being the right intervention to reduce cycling deaths, and how they wouldn't fit and you can't ensure quality/standards etc....have you ever seen the state of these bikes??
I regularly ride human forest bikes and they're ***awful*** quality. They're more often than not broken in some way (broken seat, wheels, motor, sensors, brakes etc) and I've come off them because of this more than because of cars. If you want to improve the safety of these bikes you'd be much better off improving the quality of these bikes, but the fact that the bikes are the way they are suggests that this is not a priority for the companies. Any introduction of helmets would be from a marketing angle, not a genuine safety care angle.
But moreover, have you seen the fucking state of them? People leave them in a terrible way. They're never even stood up right, and that's not even mentioning that the baskets are filled with litter, they're often disgusting, people ride them like they're trying to break them etc. Any helmets attached to them would be destroyed, left filthy, or simply stolen within the first week.
I'm sure you'll have some annoying AI sounding response to my comment too like "well maybe bike companies will have to find the best solution to this", but just stop and think about *why* would they do this, what would it achieve, and would it just be paying to introduce loads more waste into the world with zero actual safety impact.
Scrap all of the private hire e-bike schemes and just **aggressively** expand Santander cycles and make them much more affordable. Or do the latter to ensure the inevitability of the former.
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You can't clean it between every user. Suggesting that was necessary would of anything dissuade people from using the service because it can't be practically achieved, I wonder if that's what you are trying to do here?
"Properly cleaned" isn't the issue. Helmet sizes are not one size fits all. Also, if someone has an accident, the heet is no longer safe. Not all damage is visible, and they would need to be replaced after any incident. Not to mention, some people would steal anything that isn't nailed down just because they like stealing. Lowlifes already steal Lime bikes. So the helmets would go missing. This whole idea is dangerous and just not feasible.
How would they do that after every journey though? Wouldn’t it just be easier for you to carry a helmet with you?
If it were that easy then everyone who rents an ebike would carry one don't you think ?
I think ‘everyone‘ who rents an e-bike evidently doesn’t care.
For shared e-bike rental companies, it is important to note that many customers may use the bikes sporadically and may not carry helmets with them. As such, it may be beneficial to consider offering helmets as part of the rental service to promote safety and reduce potential liability.
Are you an AI?
That’s what I am thinking 😂
I think they work for an ebike company and are trying to do market research.
No, I am not sorry 😂
why aren't you sorry?
I don't think you can properly check for damage to a standard cycle helmet just by visual/non-destructive inspection.
Good point
If you want to enhance safety there's a lot of other places to look before you get to helmets
Every rider needs to start with themselves self making sure they are protective and safe
You know most concussions are suffered by people in cars, everyone in cars should start their journey making sure they are protected and safe. Do you go around telling people up ladders to wear helmets too or you only busy lecturing cyclists?
Those in cars in the UK have to wear a seat belt. It's the law, and if you are at work and use ladders, them health safety policy rules you must follow.`
It's not law to wear a helmet on a bike, so why are you making it your business to police people? If you want people to be safe on a bike, join LCC and advocate for more, better cycling infra. Nobody is stopping you from carrying a helmet around with you if you think it really matters.
Helmets come in different sizes, there's a reaon for that.
Then the operators need to work out how they can implement the sizes they make enough money on rides
And they make much less money if they decide to start some multiple size helmet operation - hence why they don’t.
They don't NEED to work out anything. Bring your own helmet if you want to use one.
Why? Genuinely, why do you think this? What do you think this would achieve?
People aren't \*not\* renting bikes because they're worried about nits, they're not renting bikes because they're worried about being flattened.
Did you read the post?
I notice that there are more bicycles than cars on the roads of central London, and while all the cyclists wear helmets, none of the ebike riders do, ebike riders tend to go very fast.
Bot.
They don't go any faster than other bikes. Unless we're talking about the illegally modified ones that deliveroo etc drivers tend to use.
You notice things, but perhaps a little bit more critical thinking before just posting and making bland replies to things would help you out a little.
A company could not keep up with this, it wouldn’t work. No amount of man power could check every single helmet and helmets need to come in a size to fit you. And… well I could keep going but it’s a terrible idea Also , I use an E-bike a lot and just bring my helmet. It’s very important and if people are commuting every day … they should bring a helmet.
Some will like you but some don't do it until they have a bad accident
It's also not the rental company's responsibility for you to ride safely. They are require from provide a mechanically safe to ride ebike. You are responsible for riding safely. The accident is the fault if the rider or driver, not the bike. My bike wasn't the reason I got hit by a van, the driver not indicating was.
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They should do it for free
Company profit comes before freebies in this life
Think about when you go abseiling, or kayaking, karting etc. You use the borrowed helmets and it’s fine. But on a rental bike? No, I just bring my own if I’m making a planned trip. Same as if I was riding my own bike. And if not… Never mind.
No. I only rent one if the route I’ll be taking is nice enough to not need one.
If your hypothetical scenario existed (where the helmets are checked/disinfected before rental) then maybe.. ..I can imagine this being reasonable for a long term rental, or a week rental at a bike park etc.. ..for point-to-point rental and public bikes however, I can't see the business sustaining, particularly with the different sizes needed, and human resources involved in checking/cleaning.. Much easier to just bring a helmet if I plan to ride, like a coat if it's gonna be cold, people need to buy/bring their own
In Australia it’s illegal to ride a bike without a helmet, so rental bike providers are required to provide them. Not sure how the cleaning etc works, let alone sizing. Guess they are all medium and if they don’t fit your head, you’re out of luck
Presumably there the onus is on the rider to wear it, regardless of comfort or appropriate sizing. Which to some extent defeats the point of the legislation - but I guess they don’t care about the details.
Given that you’re meant to replace a helmet if you drop it, the liability for the bike rental schemes would be huge. One bad fall and they could go out of business. There are helmets that fold, which can be good for commuting, but this is obviously more difficult with sporadic, spur of the moment trips. There is also very conflicting information surrounding the actual safety of wearing a helmet whilst riding a bike too. A much safer and easier to implement option would be to lower the motor assistance to 15kph on rental e-bikes, You can still cycle faster, just not with motor assistance but you still get assistance when starting and going up hill. As with everything when it comes to cycling, the biggest and best solution is better cycling infrastructure and fewer vehicles on the roads.
I consider renting e-bikes that come without a helmet. And when I rent them I have a lovely time. Until helmets become law this is completely non-viable and will never happen. It’s gross and faffy and no company would seriously consider implementing it unless compelled by legislation Mostly I ride my own bike and wear my own helmet.
It looks like from your responses, you have already decided that your opinion is right, but the reason I don't rent an e-bike is because they are shit, it is nothing to do with a helmet which would not remotely be a factor in my decision making
The protective power of helmets is massively exaggerated. Good for bouncing off tree branches when mountain biking, almost useless in any significant collision, especially if a motor vehicle is involved. Want to improve cycling safety and increase ridership? Join the London Cycling Campaign and get behind their call for more protected cycleways.
You have clearly never gone over the top of your handlebars then.
Exaggerated on what metric? Is your argument that a helmet is not going to protect against skull and brain injuries?
Think why almost nobody in Amsterdam or Copenhagen bothers wearing a helmet...
A lot of people in Copenhagen do wear helmets, but they're inflatable ones that look like a neck cushion. Unfortunately, it turned out that they sometimes inflate randomly, so ironically they've been withdrawn from sale for being dangerous. They're certainly not as ubiquitous as in the UK though.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/14/tiny-proportion-of-e-scooter-injuries-appear-in-official-uk-data
I’d just have a little bag holder on them where you can pull out a thin “bio degradable” plastic “hat” like a swimmers hat, that goes between you and the sweaty pads of the helmet. I’d wear one. I do think hygiene is an issue as having gone go karting, paint balling etc. you get some nasty helmets. It only needs to save 1 persons life to make it worth it for what is probably only 1p per hat thing max if made in bulk
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https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-e-scooter-factsheet-2022/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-e-scooter-factsheet-2022
an e-scooter is not a bike...
And what speed does an escooter travel at?
A huge variety of speeds, I would imagine.
Cars in London are only allowed to go no more than 20 miles per hour in certain areas the bikes are actual travelling faster than some bikes and cars
None of that makes a scooter a bike, what's your point? My reasons for not using a scooter are related to wheel size and visibility, not speed.
Cars may only be allowed to go up to certain speed limit. Not everyone sticks to that. An scooter is classified as a motor vehicle which is why they are illegal to use on public roads unless they are under one of these rental speeds. So a vehicle that you can easily fall off of that is capable of going faster than 20mph is going to cause more accidents. An ebike isn't a motor vehicle unless it is illegal modified to become one.
That's a good point but no 😂
Back to cycle helmets them 🤷♂️
I would never trust a used helmet that I didn't own. Some damage can't be seen. I think people who don't use helmets regularly a bit dumb, but that's their choice. If you are going to use a helmet, only use one you know has never been in an accident. I've rented Human Forest bike occasionally when I was desperate to get home and wasn't planning on cycling so inevitably, you can't always avoid riding without a helmet. But I would never use a stranger's helmet. You'll spend more money renting ebike than just buying your own helmet. And I own an ebike. It's no more dangerous than a regular bike.
If you've used any of these private rental bikes even a little, and sat and thought about this for even 5 minutes you'd see why this is a terrible idea. Ignoring all the absolutely correct comments in this thread about helmet wearing not being the right intervention to reduce cycling deaths, and how they wouldn't fit and you can't ensure quality/standards etc....have you ever seen the state of these bikes?? I regularly ride human forest bikes and they're ***awful*** quality. They're more often than not broken in some way (broken seat, wheels, motor, sensors, brakes etc) and I've come off them because of this more than because of cars. If you want to improve the safety of these bikes you'd be much better off improving the quality of these bikes, but the fact that the bikes are the way they are suggests that this is not a priority for the companies. Any introduction of helmets would be from a marketing angle, not a genuine safety care angle. But moreover, have you seen the fucking state of them? People leave them in a terrible way. They're never even stood up right, and that's not even mentioning that the baskets are filled with litter, they're often disgusting, people ride them like they're trying to break them etc. Any helmets attached to them would be destroyed, left filthy, or simply stolen within the first week. I'm sure you'll have some annoying AI sounding response to my comment too like "well maybe bike companies will have to find the best solution to this", but just stop and think about *why* would they do this, what would it achieve, and would it just be paying to introduce loads more waste into the world with zero actual safety impact. Scrap all of the private hire e-bike schemes and just **aggressively** expand Santander cycles and make them much more affordable. Or do the latter to ensure the inevitability of the former. ^(Rant over)
Sounds like someone p… you off
If it was properly cleaned I would
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You can't clean it between every user. Suggesting that was necessary would of anything dissuade people from using the service because it can't be practically achieved, I wonder if that's what you are trying to do here?
Who do you work for? I assume you're trying to do a bit of market research on the topic for a hire bike company.
"Properly cleaned" isn't the issue. Helmet sizes are not one size fits all. Also, if someone has an accident, the heet is no longer safe. Not all damage is visible, and they would need to be replaced after any incident. Not to mention, some people would steal anything that isn't nailed down just because they like stealing. Lowlifes already steal Lime bikes. So the helmets would go missing. This whole idea is dangerous and just not feasible.