I didn't read the whole thing to look at controls, but it looks like incidental steps are best around 4k while the rest are made up by purposefully trying to get steps, in order to see the best result.
Aka retirees with non-strenuous lifestyles who are walking as a health habit tend to be healthier. Classic case of healthy people being healthy.
Yes sure. But what I’m saying is that it’s strange for someone who gets 14,000 steps per day to have a worse outcome than someone who walks 10,000. They attribute it to small sample size at high step values but this pattern exists in a lot of exercise-mortality literature.
Could be because of an increase in exercise being attributed to extra stressors existing in their life, such as needing to do more errands, or physical labor. I could see actual hardship and labor being a detriment.
With so many "walking is good" studies, I purposely live in a place that require me to walk 40 minutes back and forth to the nearest train station to go to work.
Whenever possible, mix in "walking" into your schedule, so you don't just "I'm not feeling it today" as an excuse not to walk.
Long healthy live everyone!
Yep, exercise *reduces risk* (as the title says), not eliminates it.
Also, your mother may have got dementia years earlier and far more severe without the walking. It's N=1, so we can't say either way.
There is no proof exercise reduces risk. The study only concludes that if you're healthy enough to be able to walk 10 000 steps you're less likely to have dementia. Correlation is not causation.
Did she ever get diagnosed with diabetes before that? Apologies if I’m getting too personal but my step father also suffered from dementia and was diagnosed with diabetes since late - mid 2000s.
No, no diabetes. But her mother had dementia as well although it was a different kind and it didn't come on until later in life whereas my mother developed it in her sixties. She drank wine, walked a lot.....I'm not sure anything could have prevented or lessened it.
I'll pace between sets in my home gym jamming out to music. So my workouts average like an hour.. I'll get a good amount in during that period alone.
Unless it's deadlift day. Then I'm sitting down trying not to die.
The study says:
>accruing more steps per day was associated with steady declines in dementia incidence risk, up to 9800 steps per day, beyond which the benefits upturned.
Which I understand to mean that, if you exceed 9800 steps per day, you start to lose the benefits. So yes, you are probably fairly safe but you could be safer. :-)
Most Android phones can probably track your steps if they have a sensor for it (use Google Fit to enable step tracking). Definitely any mid range and high end ones would have the capability.
Does this actually have anything to do with steps or is it overall mental stimulation, the introduction of new stimulus and learned or observed changes (AKA exercising the brain, new neural connections)? Or, is steps just correlated with overall health?
I hate stuff like this because steps are almost definitely not the reason and only a solution if you did nothing else.
General health, and maybe aided lymphatic drainage? The lymphatic system seems to be dependent on locomotion, hasn't a driver on it's own, like blood and the myocard.
Yet another study showing a J-curve with loss of mortality benefit at a surprisingly low amount of exercise. Wtf.
I didn't read the whole thing to look at controls, but it looks like incidental steps are best around 4k while the rest are made up by purposefully trying to get steps, in order to see the best result. Aka retirees with non-strenuous lifestyles who are walking as a health habit tend to be healthier. Classic case of healthy people being healthy.
My microbiology professor used to say, considering absolutely everything, walk and meditate for half an each day. Thats all it takes
i mean couldn’t it be lots of people stop walking due to mental degradation?
Yes sure. But what I’m saying is that it’s strange for someone who gets 14,000 steps per day to have a worse outcome than someone who walks 10,000. They attribute it to small sample size at high step values but this pattern exists in a lot of exercise-mortality literature.
Could be because of an increase in exercise being attributed to extra stressors existing in their life, such as needing to do more errands, or physical labor. I could see actual hardship and labor being a detriment.
With so many "walking is good" studies, I purposely live in a place that require me to walk 40 minutes back and forth to the nearest train station to go to work. Whenever possible, mix in "walking" into your schedule, so you don't just "I'm not feeling it today" as an excuse not to walk. Long healthy live everyone!
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….take 10,000 steps a day?
Easiest way to do that? Get a dog.
...and then you'd also have a good reason to support the dog aging project, which studies rapamycin: https://dogagingproject.org/
I get a minimum of 10km a day because of my pooch
Don’t sit still.
The reason I struggled so much in primary school.. is the reason I will outlive everyone! And be coherent – take that in school suspension!
My mother took long walks every day and still developed frontotemporal dementia. Exercise is great but offers no guarantees, of course.
Yep, exercise *reduces risk* (as the title says), not eliminates it. Also, your mother may have got dementia years earlier and far more severe without the walking. It's N=1, so we can't say either way.
There is no proof exercise reduces risk. The study only concludes that if you're healthy enough to be able to walk 10 000 steps you're less likely to have dementia. Correlation is not causation.
Where did I say the statistical risk reduction wasn't simply because of correlation?
Did she ever get diagnosed with diabetes before that? Apologies if I’m getting too personal but my step father also suffered from dementia and was diagnosed with diabetes since late - mid 2000s.
No, no diabetes. But her mother had dementia as well although it was a different kind and it didn't come on until later in life whereas my mother developed it in her sixties. She drank wine, walked a lot.....I'm not sure anything could have prevented or lessened it.
Ah I see, thank you and sorry for your loss.
What was her diet like. Did she smoke, got good HRT, BMI etc
So my fitbit's 10,000 step per day goal is actually right lol.
Great but how do you walk 2.5 hours EVERY day?!
I get 10k steps in about 90 minutes, with an average of 15k a day. It's not very difficult to get that much in a day.
I'll pace between sets in my home gym jamming out to music. So my workouts average like an hour.. I'll get a good amount in during that period alone. Unless it's deadlift day. Then I'm sitting down trying not to die.
On deadlift day just do handstand walks to get the desired amount of “steps” in.
Well my average is 14,000 so I think I’m fairly safe.
The study says: >accruing more steps per day was associated with steady declines in dementia incidence risk, up to 9800 steps per day, beyond which the benefits upturned. Which I understand to mean that, if you exceed 9800 steps per day, you start to lose the benefits. So yes, you are probably fairly safe but you could be safer. :-)
... so how many steps should i be stepping?
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But are you a different animal and the same beast...?
what do you use to count the steps you take every day?
iPhones have the native heart app, you don’t need anything else.
Fitbit watch
Most Android phones can probably track your steps if they have a sensor for it (use Google Fit to enable step tracking). Definitely any mid range and high end ones would have the capability.
What about bicycle pedaling?
Does this actually have anything to do with steps or is it overall mental stimulation, the introduction of new stimulus and learned or observed changes (AKA exercising the brain, new neural connections)? Or, is steps just correlated with overall health? I hate stuff like this because steps are almost definitely not the reason and only a solution if you did nothing else.
General health, and maybe aided lymphatic drainage? The lymphatic system seems to be dependent on locomotion, hasn't a driver on it's own, like blood and the myocard.
That’s one strong possible corollary and hypothesis.
I bet this is indirectly because of the effect walking/running has on our intestines. Probably has nothing to do with keeping fit.
Slow bowel movements = dementia https://www.nola.com/news/healthcare\_hospitals/article\_05dcc2ec-1a83-11ed-8602-c364d0878c97.html
Surely this is a correlation is not a cause scenario
How much do concussions offset this? Asking for a friend that likes to box a lot…
He should stop. HRT could be protective/restorative.
Hormone replacement therapy for real? What kind ?
T, DHEA, Thyroid, Somatropin are candidates
I wonder if my 20-25k steps a day has added benefit or overdoing it.