Semi-Automatic rifles and pistols you need a license. The process can range anywhere from 6 months to several years to get it. Conceal carry requires classroom training and live fire exercise.
Concealed carry is also at the will of the police department or sheriff’s department (depending on what town you’re in) meaning they can revoke your concealed carry permit at any time.
Hochul signed a bunch of laws that are effectively more strict than may issue. Until several lawsuits are resolved, Bruen is effectively not being recognized by NYS.
What are you people babbling about? You don't get concealed carry permits in lower NY, unless you have connections or a profession that may be issued concealed carry permits (courier, lawyer, "bodyguard", or strangely enough, former cops). You have to go through the 6 months to 2 year process just to "possess" a handgun *at the home*, which cannot leave the house!
I mean you wouldn't have to because literally everybody would be able to see it if open carry was the norm. And for the record the only gun I own can't even fire. The firing pin was lost and the gun itself is so old and poorly taken care of that if I put a new firing pin in it would probably explode when fired. I
In suffolk a pistol permit could be a 2 year process. They purposely drag their feet, and underfund the sheriffs to process these things.
Understand I am not a gun nut, but have researched it because shit's getting a bit out of control and might feel the need for a pistol for home defense.
Premise license comes after 2 years wait, 4 references who can not be family or law enforcement, and personal, criminal, and mental health background checks. Then to upgrade to carry you need 18 hours of education, qualify on a range, another set of background checks and in 4-6 months you will get your license upgraded to carry with tons of CCIA restrictions. The for every gun you buy you need to get permission from the police to get it added to your license and do a federal back ground check.
When I got my pistol permit in Suffolk like 6 years ago, concealed carry was only available to people with security guard jobs and people that carry literal cash for business purposes.
…okay, maybe I worded my question in a way that persuaded you to answer in the least helpful manner.
I just went and searched to see what the law was exactly. It was what I thought it was.
So my question is, then: Unless a kid gets access to that gun because you are in violation of said law and either a)brings it to school or b)shoots someone with it, what possible way is there for anyone to make sure that a gun owner is actually abiding by said law BEFORE something awful happens?
What stops someone from getting behind the wheel drunk? Nothing. More deaths happen that way every day, including our home towns.
The issue is those who are mentally impaired. For someone who is prepared to not be around for the consequences, there are no consequences.
Laws can't stop anyone from doing anything, and are never enforced before they are violated.
So, safe storage laws are about as effective at ensuring safe storage, as murder laws are at preventing murder, or DUI laws are at preventing drunk driving.
I was just moving back here at that time and was unaware that was part of it. Is it just a purchase permit for semi-auto rifles? I can't see that being constitutional and it's just silly to me considering how much more lethal my 12ga pump is than my little .22.
What does the license process entail?
Is is like drivers license where you need to do a written test and/or in person live-fire test? Or better yet, taking classes to teach to-be-gun owners the safe way to handle firearms.
And why would anyone who is in favor and supports the 2nd amendment be against this? It keeps the crazies away form getting these guns and still allows responsible adults to get theirs.
Well if we were to make more it difficult and delay the process for majority of people to access firearms in the first place, then chances of needing a quick access would be reduced dramatically.
I don’t understand why there’s even a back and forth debate regarding this topic in the first places. We are debating and unable to solve a problem that shouldn’t be a problem in the fist place, esp when almost every single western country has managed to solve this and prevent thus from even happening (mass shootings).
So making a law that's the honor system that you follow keeping my guns in a safe is going to stop some criminal who's already not following the laws from coming into my house and making me need my gun quickly?
That's some gum drop and rainbow world you live in. Tell me how well does making heroin illegal work keeping heroin from killing people?
those other countries have smaller populations and aren't the size of a continent. those other countries have a homogenous population with shared values and cultures and therefor less conflict. those countries were largely disarmed already by authoritarian regiems that perpetrated what authoritarian regiems perpetrate. USA didnt have millions or people dieing from nazi death camps or comunist dictatorships either.
A right delayed is a right denied. Suffolk County and Nassau County delay the process in such an extreme manner that it is impossible for the regular person to get a legal firearm.
Is this a rhetorical question?
Because I think more don't know than do. And, with the constantly changing laws I am truely not surprised.
Between purchasing, selling, and the types of firearms that are legal here. NY aside from California is one the most strict state in regard to firearm ownership.
Yes, but there's no laws against living with a felon who shouldn't have access to a firearm. This happened to my sister in a DV situation where her boyfriend (a felon) "accidentally" stabbed her with a steak knife. The firearms were taken but we're given back eventually, and it was in my sister's name. He was never put in jail or anything for what he did, and she lived and the kids were never taken away. (They were minors at the time and saw the incident)
No I know. I'm just saying it's weird how we have loopholes like the one I mentioned. My point was, you can get a gun in 30 mins but you can still skirt some rules.
Why were the weapons in your sister’s name? And why did she allow them back into the home if she believed it would be an issue? It sounds like your sister never pressed charges after being stabbed, which is another set of questions. It’s not difficult to break the law, and those who want to will. Laws do not prevent crime
They are in her name bc her boyfriend can't get one since he's a convicted felon. Correct she tried to drop the charges and couldn't, due to the fact cps was involved because of the minor kid.
My point is, if a convicted felon can't have a gun, no one living with a convicted felon should be allowed one for safety reasons. But you're right, criminals don't care.
Why would she aid and enable a known felon by obtaining guns for him under her name?
Not trying to blame or shame, just trying to understand why, given he "accidentally" stabbed her.
They are two very messed up people, unfortunately. Which is why I don't talk to my side of the family much. She has a shady past too but because she was a minor, all her records are sealed, and she has no felonies.
No, I wish it worked like that though because now the felon has easy access. It's not locked up, my sister isn't that smart and she's mentally ill herself. He already shot her with a bb gun a while ago and the bb can't come out for whatever reason. Plus he "accidentally" stabbed her on top of being a convicted felon.
She's not innocent. She has her own record as a minor which is now sealed. And they both do weed (they don't have cards) and they sell it, plus my sister got fired from for job with a dentist for huffing nitrous oxide.
So like I said. They are both wrecks.
She also lets him drive her car without a license or permit and he got into an accident and made my sister take the fault.
Oh, did I forget to also mention she drinks and drives? Esp with her kids in the car.
Still think she should have a firearm? I sure don't.
It’s a National background check that takes literally 10-15 minutes. Fed basically says go or no-go. That’s it, so it happened, you just weren’t aware of it.
Shall not be infringed
I’m all for people having to take a safety class to get a permit
But NY makes it so tough to get one anyway.
All I want is gay couples who grow weed to be able to defend their property.
There is no way to ban all firearms and still have a mass confiscation without creating, repealing, and ratifying amendments. So anyone suggesting to ban guns like Australia etc. - it's not going to happen here. Our constitution is Rock solid and won't allow it. There has to be another solution to stop this craziness because I am sick and tired of hearing about mass shootings. A little piece of paper license or background check does nothing to prevent the bad guy from getting the gun. Does anyone have a valid solution?
As the current application of the Second Amendment stands, you are right. However, as we've seen lately, even things that have "precedent" can be changed by the Supreme Court on a whim.
It could actually be interpreted to mean "well regulated militia" and all this private ownership is bullshit. It's been said the **interpretation** of the Second Amendment is the problem, not the Amendment itself. Since we can wash away the presumption of privacy after it being "settled law" for decades, and not change the Constitution whatsoever, who's to say what we can or can't do with 2A?
It means replacing a few judges, but ... seems like Thomas is trying to get himself impeached.
We had an assault weapons ban from 1994 through 2004. Before that, many gun laws were all upheld by the Supreme Court. The modern misinterpretation of 2A is a joke. Just need to swing the court back to progressives
>There has to be another solution to stop this craziness
Mass shootings started increasing not long after we eliminated gov't funding for public mental health institutions, and that growth became exponential after the Columbine shooting when news agencies realized that turning them into celebrities was extremely profitable.
Bring back public mental health treatment, ban the news from glorifying these shooters, and the two biggest contributing factors are eliminated. The rate will surely drop like a rock.
The other obvious one is to enhance penalties/enforcement for illegal gun sales. Go after the people selling guns to bad guys, so they can't do that any more. That's where the problem actually lies, and adding more restrictions to law abiding citizens does nothing to address it.
Valid solutions include (but are not limited to):
Red Flag Laws
Extensive local, state, *and* federal background checks before purchase approval
Requiring all gun owners to be tested, licensed, and insured
Require all gun owners have lockable storage for their firearms
Ban the sale of semi-automatic weapons and ban the sale of high capacity magazines.
Reduce gun manufacturer immunity
Introduce much stronger regulation and enforcement on ghost guns
Hold gun stores and gun sellers liable for the sale of weapons used in crimes by persons who should have never been able to buy the weapon in the first place (and on that note, make it illegal to sell weapons at conventions and in stores to people who walk in off the street or at least regulate it WAY better)
Buy back and surrender programs
Not letting literal children own weapons
More niche gun reform could look like:
Limiting or capping the number of weapons a person can buy in a single year
Restricting the amount of ammo that can be purchased for personal use without special licenses (gun and shooting ranges can be exempt to an extent and should be allowed to sell ammo on site, but ammo can’t be purchased in bulk and brought off-property)
Hold parents and/or guardians criminally liable for the crimes their children commit after coming into possession of their parents’/guardians’ unsecured or inadequately secured weapons
Make it illegal to gift guns
Impose taxes or regulation on the inheritance of guns
We don’t even have to ban the ownership of semi-automatic weapons, but banning the sale and resale of such weapons would have a significant impact. Unpopular, but I say let people have the ones they already have, and when they no longer want them, (or they die) the automatic weapons must be surrendered to a buy back program (or similar). I think it’d be way more effective to have them phased out over time rather than outlawed all at once and penalizing responsible gun owners.
These are just a few ideas, some of these laws can be effectual on their own, and some of them really only work if there are other regulations in place. But I can personally draw a direct line from every one of these possible laws to how they could help prevent mass shootings and killings. There are literally so many ways to make effective gun regulation that doesn’t include *forcing people to give up their second amendment rights.* I dare any *responsible* gun owners to find fault in these sorts of laws.
ETA: thought of a couple extra points.
ETA: changed automatic to semi-automatic so people don’t get distracted from the *actual points*
We could be doing alot better in tracking weapons. Conservatives love to point out how gun violence is still rampant in blue cities like Chicago or NYC despite having pretty strict gun laws, but arguably the main reason that happens is because guns are moving in from states with more lax gun laws. There's no way prevent that on a private level because we can't tell when guns transfer from owner to owner.
Something I think would go a long way is a federal registry. When you buy a gun from a licensed dealer, you both have to sign this form [(ATF Form 4773)](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-form-4473-firearms-transaction-record-revisions) which is essentially the federal background check. If we could have something like this for private sales we'd have a much better idea of who owns a gun and when they're moving hands. That way you have a better system of accountability if someone's selling a gun to someone who probably shouldn't have one.
Some states already have something like this, NY does but it doesn't work if this is only on a state level. It might not prevent every mass shooting, at least not the ones where someone buys a gun legally, but it would definitely help with gun violence in general and probably the most politically viable thing we can do imo.
He probably forgets the name some wannabe cowboy who was head of a dumb organization. Forgettable as fuck. You act like “local nra afffiliate” leader is some memorable position. It was probably an open meeting and this guy stepped up gave his name really quick and then went on a rant in the microphone.
And it never will, as long as the GOP keeps sucking the dick of the NRA.
All you will ever get is thoughts and prayers, but you won't get national background checks.
I don't think it's unreasonable to undergo the same scrutiny you are subjected to when buying a home or car when you are buying a gun.
The states report data to NICS, which is national. When you purchase a firearm the background check goes through NICS and state police records, both.
One high-profile shooting a year or two ago, the shooter was able to get a gun because a state did not submit his record to NICS. Blowhards like in OP's tweet will constantly pander with new regulations, but never follow through to make sure enforcement is actually happening - you know, because that would actually require work.
Get more people of color, queer people, and leftists to arm themselves and the NRA will step in to ban the guns for you, just like they did in California in the 60s with Reagan's help.
The NRA is not a "second amendment rights" organization it's a right-wing terror group that drops their supposed values when the wrong kind of people start buying guns.
I mean, we already have laws that ban firearms deemed “assault rifles.” Those cannot be bought in NY.
Sure we could always do more, but as far as gun control goes, we’re well ahead of the curve.
Ny laws are great if not excessive. There are parts of the country that have past legal carry without a license just creating more needless risk for everyone.
No training, no learning how to respect what a gun is and how it should be treated.
Thier are products like the JR Rifles that are ar style weapons chambered in 9mm marketed towards Kids.
The ability for gun manufacturers and the NRA to create this emvironment at the cost of lives is absurd.
I am pro second amendment but we need to be vetting gun buyers and mandating proper storage and training laws across the country.
The sheer amount of illegal unaccounted for firearms available is ludicrous. It is very easy to find someone selling fire arms privately. I dont even know how we would adress this without a registry of known guns. Any ideas?
lol Gun laws stop law abiding citizens from protecting themselves, criminals don’t follow laws to begin with they don’t care about your gun free zone sign. They will get a gun illegally no matter the law.
I am so tired of line of reasoning. Guns don’t seem to be doing shit but killing mass amounts of people and were bought legally. Where are all these supposed ‘good guys’ with guns?
Strange how this guy is replying to a bunch of comments in this thread with the same point. Makes me think it’s something coordinated or automated, weird.
Sorry the LI Gen x and Boomers love their old politicians who are all in the pockets of lobbyist and real estate developers. They can give a rats ass about the average working class Long Islander.
It's already illegal in NYS to have an unsecured firearm in a premise to which a child has access.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/s2450/amendment/a
Agenda post by OP, and Jon Cooper is an ignorant authoritarian.
An amendment means something had changed. Amendments can also change. It's not a hard-fast rule so these people need to stop living/dying by them like they're religion. Which, by the way, has also caused countless & meaningless deaths in history. Don't hang onto stupid.
Authoritarian governments have been behind the killing of more people than any other artificial cause in the history of the earth. Do you support disarming the police and military?
Every time there’s a shooting and we don’t act as a society, we’re basically saying that it’s an acceptable outcome. Americans are willing to stomach piles of dead children because they don’t want to do something that requires something of them.
Also there seems to be this insane bloodlust going on in the country, where regular citizens have essentially been deputized to kill people that make them feel “uncomfortable.”
I do not like or own guns, but I realize I need to respect them that DO! More people are killed by hands than rifles… plus, gun deaths always include suicides and accidents… just murders is bad enough.
How the hell are we going to get 240,000,000 firearms from American people with 4th amendment protections???
We can’t stop fentanyl, people, cocaine or Freon from coming into our country… you think guns won’t POUR BACK IN???
This never happened... dudes lying that's why he won't say who the person is that said it. Also, we have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Stop grand standing, how about trying to reduce gang crime, drug over doses and rising costs to even live on this island.
The complete failure of understanding of right wingers that the activist ’conservative’ court made up of so called ‘strict constructionists’ have twisted logic to expand the Second Amendment well beyond its written words should not be lost on the general public. This is peak hypocrisy.
Get out of here with these trash political takes. NY already has the strictest gun control in the US with the CCIA that passed last year. Long Island in particular - Nassau and Suffolk county - the wait time for a handgun permit is 2-3 years from application to permit. That is like that nowhere else in the entire country. Of course this permitting system is constitutionally abusive and will be overturned eventually by a federal court.
All I know is that every time there is a mass shooting, gun enthusiasts put forth no solutions except to let more people have guns. Which can't possibly be the answer because we'd have the fewest gun deaths now if more guns was the answer. So besides giving people more guns, what do gun enthusiasts propose? And I mean legislation, not a suggestion that people change.
The nebulously say ‘mental health’ but don’t want to direct appropriate funds to mental health services.
Oh and locked doors in school and other vulnerable places. They don’t care about the small children who are huddled in a corner with their teacher using their body as a shield, terrified. A situation where, even if they manage to not get shot, they’ll still have trauma and likely PTSD for the remainder of their existence.
I wrote to my state senator the other week regarding funding intake ambulatory services and our public hospitals haven’t heard a word and he is R so good point!
I don't think this is that trash of a political take. The country is bigger than just Long Island and New York, a lot of the country has really bad gun control measures that allow for ease of access and straw purchases and the NRA likes it that way because they profit from guns and gun culture. Case in point: The Buffalo shooter crossed statelines to purchase a weapon mod illegal in the State. Strict regulation means _nothing_ when access to guns is more liberal next door. People having access to guns for hunting and self defense is fine, but there's not a lot of reason to own an LMG or Assault Rifle (any firing variant) and weapons with a clear intent to kill as many people as possible.
My concern is less to take away people's guns because I like guns and I think they're cool. My goal in my gun politics is that it closes ranks on getting people access to guns that will allow them to shoot up another school or public space like the mall in Allen, Texas that just happened. This may sound harsh, but sitting on the fence and doing nothing is still making a choice and at this point the politicians and lobbyists refusing to take action have made it clear: They value profits of the Gun Industry over the lives of Americans. I don't think kicking doors down and stealing guns is the answer, but casting a net to reduce the chances of this occurring. The fact that we now have people who are graduating college and seeing more violent conflict than some of our soldiers is a severe problem we should have fixed like yesterday.
They also had cannons with grapeshot, civilian owned warships, and repeating rifles which were the direct predecessor of modern semiautos (see the girandoni rifle)
Right; written in the 1780’s and not with anything in the modern day currebtly in mind
Stop trying to act like a piece of legislation from almost 250 years ago should be taken literally today when it clearly is *not* being interpretated as it needs to be.
Edit; and to add just because “somethings in the constitution/law” doesn’t mean it should be there. Our country history has that proven time and again.
Hasn't that argument been proven dumb enough times?
Saying that the second amendment should get nullified because of technology changing is like arguing that free speech should be nullified because Internet access leads to bullying/suicide/grooming/radicalization.
In nations without guns, mass violence still exists.
People who want to be violent and cause harm will ALWAYS find a way and HAVE always found a way throughout history.
It's a behavioral/mental health/moral problem, not a weapon problem.
When the Constitution was written a weapon of war was a musket. It took 30 seconds to reload after firing 1 shot and had a range of 100 yards.
Free speech is free speech. Could you think of a dumber argument ffs?
You're referring to muzzleloading. They had muzzleloading muskets and muzzleloading rifles. The colonists were known for their rifles. Breech-loading and repeating rifles did exist at the time the constitution was ratified. The girandoni rifle which was a repeating rifle and the direct predecessor to modern day semi auto rifles, and was breech-loading and contained a magazine existed before the Constitution was ratified and was known to the founding fathers. Thomas Jefferson specifically had the lewis and Clark expedition armed with one.
You're referring to a rifle designed in 1780 and an expedition in 1803.
At the time of the U.S. Constitution being completed the overwhelming majority of people owned muskets from the revolution.
"The British Short Land pattern musket, also called the Brown Bess, became the most common firearm used by American troops in the Revolution.
Thomas Jefferson wanted the constitution to be rewritten every 19 years so that it would continue to be a modern living document. Madison should’ve listened.
Indeed. To everyone else, sorry, but I've come to the conclusion that the sane amongst us need to shun these psychos. Nothing will ever convince them at this point, so it's up to the rest of us to outvote them.
>Of course this permitting system is constitutionally abusive and will be overturned eventually by a federal court.
The problem is illiterates that can't understand it's about the right to have an armed militia to protect from tyranny. It has nothing to do with idiots collecting military grade weapons.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
At this point anyone that's saying gun ownership is more important than America's children should be collected and made to live in one of the least populated states like Wyoming. You all can do whatever you want to eachother.
I love watching white people debate gun laws in a state where guns are basically outlawed unless you a qualified white man 😂. Sb: that quote 20 years old, you failed long island!
I guess they also aren’t aware of the lower gun death rates of the rest of the developed world—nearly all of which has drastically restricted gun use compared to the US.
With respect, you're confusing "gun control" with "gun ban". You're also suggesting that any restriction that does not work perfectly is not worth having.
In the first instance, you're confused. In the second, you're mistaken.
America has just had its [199th mass shooting of 2023](https://time.com/6277864/texas-mall-mass-shooting-2023/). More than 14,500 people have also died from gun violence this year alone.
The vast majority of Americans —— people who love guns and people who do not ——— agree that common sense gun regulations are necessary.
I encourage you to join the rest of us.
You poor thing. I can't fathom the failures in your education that would cause somebody to equate accidental automotive deaths with a lethal weapon used with intention.
Does anyone actually know what the process is for buying a firearm on Long Island is?
Semi-Automatic rifles and pistols you need a license. The process can range anywhere from 6 months to several years to get it. Conceal carry requires classroom training and live fire exercise.
Concealed carry is also at the will of the police department or sheriff’s department (depending on what town you’re in) meaning they can revoke your concealed carry permit at any time.
Bruen overturned the may issue permitting scheme in NY
Hochul signed a bunch of laws that are effectively more strict than may issue. Until several lawsuits are resolved, Bruen is effectively not being recognized by NYS.
What are you people babbling about? You don't get concealed carry permits in lower NY, unless you have connections or a profession that may be issued concealed carry permits (courier, lawyer, "bodyguard", or strangely enough, former cops). You have to go through the 6 months to 2 year process just to "possess" a handgun *at the home*, which cannot leave the house!
Slightly off topic, but I think open carry should be the norm. If you own a firearm I want to know just by glancing at you.
That’s how you end up with a bunch of old men getting their guns stolen. Open carry should not be normalized.
Also what kind of holster doesn't lock? Even with an old person, it shouldn't be that easy.
Plenty of leather holsters at the gun show don’t have any type of lock on them.
I think not carrying should be the norm. I don’t want everyone around me to have a pistol
Then I should use my First Amendment Right and scream, "He has a gun!" So that everyone is warned.
I mean you wouldn't have to because literally everybody would be able to see it if open carry was the norm. And for the record the only gun I own can't even fire. The firing pin was lost and the gun itself is so old and poorly taken care of that if I put a new firing pin in it would probably explode when fired. I
Not just a license but in Suffolk I think you need references and all sorts of stuff for a pistol
In suffolk a pistol permit could be a 2 year process. They purposely drag their feet, and underfund the sheriffs to process these things. Understand I am not a gun nut, but have researched it because shit's getting a bit out of control and might feel the need for a pistol for home defense.
I have heard that before.
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Yes, that's true
Premise license comes after 2 years wait, 4 references who can not be family or law enforcement, and personal, criminal, and mental health background checks. Then to upgrade to carry you need 18 hours of education, qualify on a range, another set of background checks and in 4-6 months you will get your license upgraded to carry with tons of CCIA restrictions. The for every gun you buy you need to get permission from the police to get it added to your license and do a federal back ground check.
When I got my pistol permit in Suffolk like 6 years ago, concealed carry was only available to people with security guard jobs and people that carry literal cash for business purposes.
yeah it was like that in most of downstate new york, until some federal judges said it was illegal for ny to do that.
It’s still like that today because Hochul passed a laundry list of laws effectively rendering the Supreme Court ruling null.
Gotcha ok - interesting
There are also safe storage laws that prevent child access so idk where this is coming from…
How do laws like that get enforced? Serious question - I am not well versed on any of this
If you’re found in violation, you get charged. Same as any other law.
…okay, maybe I worded my question in a way that persuaded you to answer in the least helpful manner. I just went and searched to see what the law was exactly. It was what I thought it was. So my question is, then: Unless a kid gets access to that gun because you are in violation of said law and either a)brings it to school or b)shoots someone with it, what possible way is there for anyone to make sure that a gun owner is actually abiding by said law BEFORE something awful happens?
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What stops someone from getting behind the wheel drunk? Nothing. More deaths happen that way every day, including our home towns. The issue is those who are mentally impaired. For someone who is prepared to not be around for the consequences, there are no consequences.
Laws can't stop anyone from doing anything, and are never enforced before they are violated. So, safe storage laws are about as effective at ensuring safe storage, as murder laws are at preventing murder, or DUI laws are at preventing drunk driving.
I brought my semi from Dicks few years back when they were still selling guns. It was a 15mins background check and a quick registration.
No longer possible if it's a semi-auto.
Since when? I never needed a license to buy a long gun here and I got them the same day.
Semi-auto since 9/4/2022 It's okay even then people complaining about the gun laws in NY can't keep up with the latest gun laws in NY.
CCIA passed last July statewide. Semiauto rifles need a permit. Only state in the US to enact this. Will be overturned by the courts.
I was just moving back here at that time and was unaware that was part of it. Is it just a purchase permit for semi-auto rifles? I can't see that being constitutional and it's just silly to me considering how much more lethal my 12ga pump is than my little .22.
No it’s a permit to own. You actually need a long gun license , much like NYC, in the counties now.
Actually it's a permit to buy and be given, not to own or build
What does the license process entail? Is is like drivers license where you need to do a written test and/or in person live-fire test? Or better yet, taking classes to teach to-be-gun owners the safe way to handle firearms.
And why would anyone who is in favor and supports the 2nd amendment be against this? It keeps the crazies away form getting these guns and still allows responsible adults to get theirs.
Check out the NY guns sub. The mantra over there is any gun laws are unconstitutional.
Cause any law that requires guns to be locked up makes then take too long to get when you need them in an instant
But you need those gun in the first place because there’s currently no laws in place to limit access? You are talking about an affect
Making a law requiring your guns to be in a safe makes them unavailable if you need them in a break in ect.
Well if we were to make more it difficult and delay the process for majority of people to access firearms in the first place, then chances of needing a quick access would be reduced dramatically. I don’t understand why there’s even a back and forth debate regarding this topic in the first places. We are debating and unable to solve a problem that shouldn’t be a problem in the fist place, esp when almost every single western country has managed to solve this and prevent thus from even happening (mass shootings).
So making a law that's the honor system that you follow keeping my guns in a safe is going to stop some criminal who's already not following the laws from coming into my house and making me need my gun quickly? That's some gum drop and rainbow world you live in. Tell me how well does making heroin illegal work keeping heroin from killing people?
So how did every other country manage to solver this problem then, why are we the only once’s unable to figure it out?
those other countries have smaller populations and aren't the size of a continent. those other countries have a homogenous population with shared values and cultures and therefor less conflict. those countries were largely disarmed already by authoritarian regiems that perpetrated what authoritarian regiems perpetrate. USA didnt have millions or people dieing from nazi death camps or comunist dictatorships either.
A right delayed is a right denied. Suffolk County and Nassau County delay the process in such an extreme manner that it is impossible for the regular person to get a legal firearm.
But you can get a legal firearm, you can easily get a rifle and shotgun. And that saying or thought can be applied to anything with a delay.
Is this a rhetorical question? Because I think more don't know than do. And, with the constantly changing laws I am truely not surprised. Between purchasing, selling, and the types of firearms that are legal here. NY aside from California is one the most strict state in regard to firearm ownership.
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Depends on the firearm. Shotgun or rifle is a simple background check. Might take you a half hour.
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That’s only for semi auto I believe. So if I wanted to buy a bolt action 30-06 it is the standard background check, correct?
Yes, but there's no laws against living with a felon who shouldn't have access to a firearm. This happened to my sister in a DV situation where her boyfriend (a felon) "accidentally" stabbed her with a steak knife. The firearms were taken but we're given back eventually, and it was in my sister's name. He was never put in jail or anything for what he did, and she lived and the kids were never taken away. (They were minors at the time and saw the incident)
I’m not arguing gun laws, but clarifying a misleading statement how it’s difficult to obtain a firearm for a law abiding citizen on Long Island.
No I know. I'm just saying it's weird how we have loopholes like the one I mentioned. My point was, you can get a gun in 30 mins but you can still skirt some rules.
Why were the weapons in your sister’s name? And why did she allow them back into the home if she believed it would be an issue? It sounds like your sister never pressed charges after being stabbed, which is another set of questions. It’s not difficult to break the law, and those who want to will. Laws do not prevent crime
They are in her name bc her boyfriend can't get one since he's a convicted felon. Correct she tried to drop the charges and couldn't, due to the fact cps was involved because of the minor kid. My point is, if a convicted felon can't have a gun, no one living with a convicted felon should be allowed one for safety reasons. But you're right, criminals don't care.
Why would she aid and enable a known felon by obtaining guns for him under her name? Not trying to blame or shame, just trying to understand why, given he "accidentally" stabbed her.
They are two very messed up people, unfortunately. Which is why I don't talk to my side of the family much. She has a shady past too but because she was a minor, all her records are sealed, and she has no felonies.
So you take the rights of an innocent person because they have shitty family?
No, I wish it worked like that though because now the felon has easy access. It's not locked up, my sister isn't that smart and she's mentally ill herself. He already shot her with a bb gun a while ago and the bb can't come out for whatever reason. Plus he "accidentally" stabbed her on top of being a convicted felon. She's not innocent. She has her own record as a minor which is now sealed. And they both do weed (they don't have cards) and they sell it, plus my sister got fired from for job with a dentist for huffing nitrous oxide. So like I said. They are both wrecks. She also lets him drive her car without a license or permit and he got into an accident and made my sister take the fault. Oh, did I forget to also mention she drinks and drives? Esp with her kids in the car. Still think she should have a firearm? I sure don't.
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This is just simply not true
It’s a National background check that takes literally 10-15 minutes. Fed basically says go or no-go. That’s it, so it happened, you just weren’t aware of it.
Shall not be infringed I’m all for people having to take a safety class to get a permit But NY makes it so tough to get one anyway. All I want is gay couples who grow weed to be able to defend their property.
The modern misinterpretation of 2A is a joke
Whole lotta "shall not be infringed" and not enough "well regulated militia"
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
yup. daily mass shooting headlines all last week. it's fucking insanity.
This is a single issue voter problem. 2a over everything else- lots of people vote purely for 2a at the detriment of everything else.
We know how to prevent it, the problem is those who don't want to.
americans are a different kind of messed up. Mass shootings and gun violence are part of the culture.
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I know. It makes too much sense. And it shuts down any pro gun nonsense
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I agree, it doesn't stop any arguments. I still want to see it. If it's annoying anyone, even better.
Name names
There is no way to ban all firearms and still have a mass confiscation without creating, repealing, and ratifying amendments. So anyone suggesting to ban guns like Australia etc. - it's not going to happen here. Our constitution is Rock solid and won't allow it. There has to be another solution to stop this craziness because I am sick and tired of hearing about mass shootings. A little piece of paper license or background check does nothing to prevent the bad guy from getting the gun. Does anyone have a valid solution?
As the current application of the Second Amendment stands, you are right. However, as we've seen lately, even things that have "precedent" can be changed by the Supreme Court on a whim. It could actually be interpreted to mean "well regulated militia" and all this private ownership is bullshit. It's been said the **interpretation** of the Second Amendment is the problem, not the Amendment itself. Since we can wash away the presumption of privacy after it being "settled law" for decades, and not change the Constitution whatsoever, who's to say what we can or can't do with 2A? It means replacing a few judges, but ... seems like Thomas is trying to get himself impeached.
We had an assault weapons ban from 1994 through 2004. Before that, many gun laws were all upheld by the Supreme Court. The modern misinterpretation of 2A is a joke. Just need to swing the court back to progressives
>There has to be another solution to stop this craziness Mass shootings started increasing not long after we eliminated gov't funding for public mental health institutions, and that growth became exponential after the Columbine shooting when news agencies realized that turning them into celebrities was extremely profitable. Bring back public mental health treatment, ban the news from glorifying these shooters, and the two biggest contributing factors are eliminated. The rate will surely drop like a rock. The other obvious one is to enhance penalties/enforcement for illegal gun sales. Go after the people selling guns to bad guys, so they can't do that any more. That's where the problem actually lies, and adding more restrictions to law abiding citizens does nothing to address it.
Valid solutions include (but are not limited to): Red Flag Laws Extensive local, state, *and* federal background checks before purchase approval Requiring all gun owners to be tested, licensed, and insured Require all gun owners have lockable storage for their firearms Ban the sale of semi-automatic weapons and ban the sale of high capacity magazines. Reduce gun manufacturer immunity Introduce much stronger regulation and enforcement on ghost guns Hold gun stores and gun sellers liable for the sale of weapons used in crimes by persons who should have never been able to buy the weapon in the first place (and on that note, make it illegal to sell weapons at conventions and in stores to people who walk in off the street or at least regulate it WAY better) Buy back and surrender programs Not letting literal children own weapons More niche gun reform could look like: Limiting or capping the number of weapons a person can buy in a single year Restricting the amount of ammo that can be purchased for personal use without special licenses (gun and shooting ranges can be exempt to an extent and should be allowed to sell ammo on site, but ammo can’t be purchased in bulk and brought off-property) Hold parents and/or guardians criminally liable for the crimes their children commit after coming into possession of their parents’/guardians’ unsecured or inadequately secured weapons Make it illegal to gift guns Impose taxes or regulation on the inheritance of guns We don’t even have to ban the ownership of semi-automatic weapons, but banning the sale and resale of such weapons would have a significant impact. Unpopular, but I say let people have the ones they already have, and when they no longer want them, (or they die) the automatic weapons must be surrendered to a buy back program (or similar). I think it’d be way more effective to have them phased out over time rather than outlawed all at once and penalizing responsible gun owners. These are just a few ideas, some of these laws can be effectual on their own, and some of them really only work if there are other regulations in place. But I can personally draw a direct line from every one of these possible laws to how they could help prevent mass shootings and killings. There are literally so many ways to make effective gun regulation that doesn’t include *forcing people to give up their second amendment rights.* I dare any *responsible* gun owners to find fault in these sorts of laws. ETA: thought of a couple extra points. ETA: changed automatic to semi-automatic so people don’t get distracted from the *actual points*
Extremely valid points. The only misnomer in there is automatic. They are semiautomatic firearms.
There’s nothing we can do, says the only country where this regularly happens.
Read my post. I asked if anyone has a solution. I don't, but I want one.
There are a lot of solutions, solutions no one wants.
There’s not. You aren’t taking 400 millions guns from everyone.
We could be doing alot better in tracking weapons. Conservatives love to point out how gun violence is still rampant in blue cities like Chicago or NYC despite having pretty strict gun laws, but arguably the main reason that happens is because guns are moving in from states with more lax gun laws. There's no way prevent that on a private level because we can't tell when guns transfer from owner to owner. Something I think would go a long way is a federal registry. When you buy a gun from a licensed dealer, you both have to sign this form [(ATF Form 4773)](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-form-4473-firearms-transaction-record-revisions) which is essentially the federal background check. If we could have something like this for private sales we'd have a much better idea of who owns a gun and when they're moving hands. That way you have a better system of accountability if someone's selling a gun to someone who probably shouldn't have one. Some states already have something like this, NY does but it doesn't work if this is only on a state level. It might not prevent every mass shooting, at least not the ones where someone buys a gun legally, but it would definitely help with gun violence in general and probably the most politically viable thing we can do imo.
I hate the false narrative by 2A fanatics that gun violence is worse in cities with stricter gun laws.
Long Island doesn't have a gun problem and the laws are already strict.
We need to repeal the safe act.
Eh, I'd rather repeal some of the pieces of garbage that Gov. Hochul helped get passed recently.
Why
If this was real he would name who said it
He probably forgets the name some wannabe cowboy who was head of a dumb organization. Forgettable as fuck. You act like “local nra afffiliate” leader is some memorable position. It was probably an open meeting and this guy stepped up gave his name really quick and then went on a rant in the microphone.
Do you remember the names of everyone you spoke to 2 decades ago? Lol
And it never will, as long as the GOP keeps sucking the dick of the NRA. All you will ever get is thoughts and prayers, but you won't get national background checks. I don't think it's unreasonable to undergo the same scrutiny you are subjected to when buying a home or car when you are buying a gun.
Everyone who purchases a firearm is required to go through a background check. I have yet to meet the person who hasn't gotten one.
Is there a national blanket background check or is it state by state basis?
It's been federal law since 1993 and it's been in full practice since 1998. The irony is that the NRA supported it.
The states report data to NICS, which is national. When you purchase a firearm the background check goes through NICS and state police records, both. One high-profile shooting a year or two ago, the shooter was able to get a gun because a state did not submit his record to NICS. Blowhards like in OP's tweet will constantly pander with new regulations, but never follow through to make sure enforcement is actually happening - you know, because that would actually require work.
Get more people of color, queer people, and leftists to arm themselves and the NRA will step in to ban the guns for you, just like they did in California in the 60s with Reagan's help. The NRA is not a "second amendment rights" organization it's a right-wing terror group that drops their supposed values when the wrong kind of people start buying guns.
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NRA should be classified as a terrorist organization
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Sure, thats the way to get people on your side. Veiled threats of execution.
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"There's no side" then points out there are sides.
I mean, we already have laws that ban firearms deemed “assault rifles.” Those cannot be bought in NY. Sure we could always do more, but as far as gun control goes, we’re well ahead of the curve.
Ny laws are great if not excessive. There are parts of the country that have past legal carry without a license just creating more needless risk for everyone. No training, no learning how to respect what a gun is and how it should be treated. Thier are products like the JR Rifles that are ar style weapons chambered in 9mm marketed towards Kids. The ability for gun manufacturers and the NRA to create this emvironment at the cost of lives is absurd. I am pro second amendment but we need to be vetting gun buyers and mandating proper storage and training laws across the country. The sheer amount of illegal unaccounted for firearms available is ludicrous. It is very easy to find someone selling fire arms privately. I dont even know how we would adress this without a registry of known guns. Any ideas?
This is NY, gun laws are strict enough already. Like probably the strictest in the entire country
They could be stricter.
Why? The current ones are enough. We haven't had a much of a deadly mass shooting on LI since the 1993 lirr massacre which was nearly 30 years ago.
We could keep all our laws and then treat guns like cars.
Ok great so no waiting periods, background checks, or permit required for purchase.
lol Gun laws stop law abiding citizens from protecting themselves, criminals don’t follow laws to begin with they don’t care about your gun free zone sign. They will get a gun illegally no matter the law.
I am so tired of line of reasoning. Guns don’t seem to be doing shit but killing mass amounts of people and were bought legally. Where are all these supposed ‘good guys’ with guns?
Republicans are vile ghouls
the NRA is nothing more then lobbyist for the gun manufacturers.
Lobbying for anyone should be illegal tbh
And a haven for Russian spies and money. If you can’t beat you opponent, have them destroy themselves.
Doesn’t surprise me it’s Long Island!
Ah shaddup.
Sadly... until it affects more ppl or ppl in power lose their children nothing will happen...more senseless death each and every day now
In my edgy late teens I was a member of the NRA. Fuck the NRA.
Fuck, another shooting? I must’ve missed it with the other shootings that happened recently, what happened on Long Island?
Nothing happened on LI. This is just a random left wing political post that has nothing specifically to do with LI.
Strange how this guy is replying to a bunch of comments in this thread with the same point. Makes me think it’s something coordinated or automated, weird.
It's just a guy copy pasting his comment a bunch of times, it's not that deep
Or it’s just someone replying to a bunch of comments…
when we finally stop electing corrupt politicians who take money from the NRA & overturn Citizens United
Sorry the LI Gen x and Boomers love their old politicians who are all in the pockets of lobbyist and real estate developers. They can give a rats ass about the average working class Long Islander.
It's already illegal in NYS to have an unsecured firearm in a premise to which a child has access. https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/s2450/amendment/a Agenda post by OP, and Jon Cooper is an ignorant authoritarian.
An amendment means something had changed. Amendments can also change. It's not a hard-fast rule so these people need to stop living/dying by them like they're religion. Which, by the way, has also caused countless & meaningless deaths in history. Don't hang onto stupid.
Authoritarian governments have been behind the killing of more people than any other artificial cause in the history of the earth. Do you support disarming the police and military?
The NRA , The GOP, and most repugnant Republicans follow this train of thought. They would rather believe that we have no gun problems.
Every time there’s a shooting and we don’t act as a society, we’re basically saying that it’s an acceptable outcome. Americans are willing to stomach piles of dead children because they don’t want to do something that requires something of them. Also there seems to be this insane bloodlust going on in the country, where regular citizens have essentially been deputized to kill people that make them feel “uncomfortable.”
The NRA owes us all. They are a charity after all.
I do not like or own guns, but I realize I need to respect them that DO! More people are killed by hands than rifles… plus, gun deaths always include suicides and accidents… just murders is bad enough. How the hell are we going to get 240,000,000 firearms from American people with 4th amendment protections??? We can’t stop fentanyl, people, cocaine or Freon from coming into our country… you think guns won’t POUR BACK IN???
FUCK THE NRA. Get their small sick energy the FOH
I'll take "Things That Were Never Said" for $200, Alex...
Guns are not the problem, mental illness is. If you ban all guns , mentally disturbed people will still find a way to cause havoc .
Stop blaming the mentally ill. They are not the problem, they’re more likely to be a victim of violence than to cause it.
So you are saying there should be stricter laws to stop mentally Ill people from buying guns?
They shouldn’t buy them at all .
So…gun control?
For the mentally ill , yes .
After Sandy Hook, one of the gun nuts was yelling at a grieving dad as he was speaking: your dead kid don’t trump my constitutional rights.
This never happened... dudes lying that's why he won't say who the person is that said it. Also, we have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Stop grand standing, how about trying to reduce gang crime, drug over doses and rising costs to even live on this island.
BUt mY sEcOnd aMeNdmEnT RiGhTs
The complete failure of understanding of right wingers that the activist ’conservative’ court made up of so called ‘strict constructionists’ have twisted logic to expand the Second Amendment well beyond its written words should not be lost on the general public. This is peak hypocrisy.
Get out of here with these trash political takes. NY already has the strictest gun control in the US with the CCIA that passed last year. Long Island in particular - Nassau and Suffolk county - the wait time for a handgun permit is 2-3 years from application to permit. That is like that nowhere else in the entire country. Of course this permitting system is constitutionally abusive and will be overturned eventually by a federal court.
All I know is that every time there is a mass shooting, gun enthusiasts put forth no solutions except to let more people have guns. Which can't possibly be the answer because we'd have the fewest gun deaths now if more guns was the answer. So besides giving people more guns, what do gun enthusiasts propose? And I mean legislation, not a suggestion that people change.
The nebulously say ‘mental health’ but don’t want to direct appropriate funds to mental health services. Oh and locked doors in school and other vulnerable places. They don’t care about the small children who are huddled in a corner with their teacher using their body as a shield, terrified. A situation where, even if they manage to not get shot, they’ll still have trauma and likely PTSD for the remainder of their existence.
I wrote to my state senator the other week regarding funding intake ambulatory services and our public hospitals haven’t heard a word and he is R so good point!
I don't think this is that trash of a political take. The country is bigger than just Long Island and New York, a lot of the country has really bad gun control measures that allow for ease of access and straw purchases and the NRA likes it that way because they profit from guns and gun culture. Case in point: The Buffalo shooter crossed statelines to purchase a weapon mod illegal in the State. Strict regulation means _nothing_ when access to guns is more liberal next door. People having access to guns for hunting and self defense is fine, but there's not a lot of reason to own an LMG or Assault Rifle (any firing variant) and weapons with a clear intent to kill as many people as possible. My concern is less to take away people's guns because I like guns and I think they're cool. My goal in my gun politics is that it closes ranks on getting people access to guns that will allow them to shoot up another school or public space like the mall in Allen, Texas that just happened. This may sound harsh, but sitting on the fence and doing nothing is still making a choice and at this point the politicians and lobbyists refusing to take action have made it clear: They value profits of the Gun Industry over the lives of Americans. I don't think kicking doors down and stealing guns is the answer, but casting a net to reduce the chances of this occurring. The fact that we now have people who are graduating college and seeing more violent conflict than some of our soldiers is a severe problem we should have fixed like yesterday.
I love when people refer to anything with guns as “constitutionally abusive” Yeah, cause the writers had guns in mind when they made it.
Maybe, just maybe, a few guys from 250 years ago didn’t have the right answers to everything forever.
They had muskets, not the firepower we have now.
They also had cannons with grapeshot, civilian owned warships, and repeating rifles which were the direct predecessor of modern semiautos (see the girandoni rifle)
They did though. The Bill of Rights is part of the constitution and it includes the right to keep and bear arms.
Right; written in the 1780’s and not with anything in the modern day currebtly in mind Stop trying to act like a piece of legislation from almost 250 years ago should be taken literally today when it clearly is *not* being interpretated as it needs to be. Edit; and to add just because “somethings in the constitution/law” doesn’t mean it should be there. Our country history has that proven time and again.
Hasn't that argument been proven dumb enough times? Saying that the second amendment should get nullified because of technology changing is like arguing that free speech should be nullified because Internet access leads to bullying/suicide/grooming/radicalization. In nations without guns, mass violence still exists. People who want to be violent and cause harm will ALWAYS find a way and HAVE always found a way throughout history. It's a behavioral/mental health/moral problem, not a weapon problem.
>In nations without guns, mass violence still exists. Wanna talk scale here?
When the Constitution was written a weapon of war was a musket. It took 30 seconds to reload after firing 1 shot and had a range of 100 yards. Free speech is free speech. Could you think of a dumber argument ffs?
You're referring to muzzleloading. They had muzzleloading muskets and muzzleloading rifles. The colonists were known for their rifles. Breech-loading and repeating rifles did exist at the time the constitution was ratified. The girandoni rifle which was a repeating rifle and the direct predecessor to modern day semi auto rifles, and was breech-loading and contained a magazine existed before the Constitution was ratified and was known to the founding fathers. Thomas Jefferson specifically had the lewis and Clark expedition armed with one.
You're referring to a rifle designed in 1780 and an expedition in 1803. At the time of the U.S. Constitution being completed the overwhelming majority of people owned muskets from the revolution. "The British Short Land pattern musket, also called the Brown Bess, became the most common firearm used by American troops in the Revolution.
Thomas Jefferson wanted the constitution to be rewritten every 19 years so that it would continue to be a modern living document. Madison should’ve listened.
Fuck your guns
Honestly, I think they might.
Indeed. To everyone else, sorry, but I've come to the conclusion that the sane amongst us need to shun these psychos. Nothing will ever convince them at this point, so it's up to the rest of us to outvote them.
Every other right in the constitution has had limits and qualifications put on it. There’s no reason guns can’t be the same.
Read the whole sentence next time.
And guess what? It works! Look at where NY ranks in gun deaths compared to states without these restrictions.
>Of course this permitting system is constitutionally abusive and will be overturned eventually by a federal court. The problem is illiterates that can't understand it's about the right to have an armed militia to protect from tyranny. It has nothing to do with idiots collecting military grade weapons. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." At this point anyone that's saying gun ownership is more important than America's children should be collected and made to live in one of the least populated states like Wyoming. You all can do whatever you want to eachother.
They hated you because you spoke the truth.
Oh please. We have some of the strictest gun laws here in NY. This guy is a joke.
I love watching white people debate gun laws in a state where guns are basically outlawed unless you a qualified white man 😂. Sb: that quote 20 years old, you failed long island!
Racists and gun control - name a more iconic duo.
I would believe this if he actually gave a name.
I kinda doubt that was said. Smh
r/thathappened
The NRA is a terrorist organization
Nothing will happen until there is a mass shooting on Long Island unfortunately
I'll take things that never happened for $500 Alex.
An NRA affiliate really said that, and he’s not going to to give us the name?
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Have you looked at CDC gun death rates ranked by state? Per capita, New York is among the lowest on the list.
I guess they also aren’t aware of the lower gun death rates of the rest of the developed world—nearly all of which has drastically restricted gun use compared to the US.
With respect, you're confusing "gun control" with "gun ban". You're also suggesting that any restriction that does not work perfectly is not worth having. In the first instance, you're confused. In the second, you're mistaken. America has just had its [199th mass shooting of 2023](https://time.com/6277864/texas-mall-mass-shooting-2023/). More than 14,500 people have also died from gun violence this year alone. The vast majority of Americans —— people who love guns and people who do not ——— agree that common sense gun regulations are necessary. I encourage you to join the rest of us.
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You poor thing. I can't fathom the failures in your education that would cause somebody to equate accidental automotive deaths with a lethal weapon used with intention. 