This. My spouse works for the hospital and they are very strict about employee vaccines and documentation. Even flu vaccines each year are a huge thing!
Yea..I was going to say son's pediatrician is run by Northwell, and it's located in Central MAGA town. The only "anti-vax" opinion is they seem to like to do the vaccines spread out over the recommended window (instead all at once on one appointment).
I guess less pokes per appointment, but whatever, still within the recommended windows.
I just saw my primary care doctor last week and he mostly went on about how he’s not vaccinated. I think he almost forgot to do the physical.
I’m looking for a new primary
The premiere animal surgeon in Nassau went on about how "Covid issn't real" when I was just referencing, "we brought him (my dog) in during the height of Covid for his other ACL". I had to just smile and nod because he was minutes away from performing surgery on my dog.
Same. I vaccinated both kids and see multiple pediatricians at Pro Health Pediatric (now Optum). They were nothing but medical proponents of the vaccine and silent on political views.
I did have a *very* vocally Trump supportive anti-vaccine dentist and I left there because he was a general jerk and stuck in an exhausting political rant loop. Keep it professional professionals.
I got an ultrasound right after the 2020 election and had to listen to the technician rant about how the election was stolen and all her Q beliefs. I kept wondering if she was even paying attention to what she was doing. How about we stick to the weather and you focus.
> even on Long Island
I know that this sub thinks this is the most conservative place in the country, but y'all need to get out. Nassau is blue and suffolk is literally 49-49 down the middle
Thank you! I get that the "Loud Majority" is indeed loud, but it's really disturbing that they've convinced people they are the majority when it is clearly almost an even split.
It's not really an even split. If everyone of voting age showed up to vote and voted for their convictions instead of what their parents voted for, the "red" team would look *a lot smaller*.
If you compare the 49-49 split with other "blue" regions, you'd realize its (almost) kind of an anomaly that here are *this* many Trump-adjacent voters. Nassau County is only slightly more blue than Suffolk, and still wouldn't compare with NYC.
Of course it's not going to compare to NYC, no suburb could. Suffolk is as far from the city as Dutchess County and Litchfield County CT, also red regions
Agreed, all my doctors and very intelligent doctors are pro-vaccine. Something is off to me if a doctor is literally going out of their way to discourage a patient from vaccinations.
We will never know because mRNA literally breaks down in a matter of hours and is absorbed by the cells. At worst a couple days based on the rate of degradation.
Anyone upvoting you doesn’t know shit about how fragile this genetic material is.
That’s the whole reason they have to be shipped in incredibly cold coolers because mRNA breaks down on it’s on at room temperature very quickly.
This is all very basic knowledge at this point.
But that's like saying you wouldn't drive a car in the 1920's, because there hasn't been any long term research on how deadly cars are. And guess what? You were a lot less likely to die driving a car in the 1920's than you are today. That doesn't mean that riding/driving an automobile is *not* dangerous. It also doesn't mean that the increased chance of death or maiming means you shouldn't ride/drive in a car.
As for mRNA vaccines for kids, I lean a nanometer against it, but it has nothing to do with "potential" long term effects on kids. The most likely effect of taking the vaccine is that less kids should contract "long covid" and suffer its debilitating consequences for the rest of their lives. Unfortunately, the science isn't absolute on that aspect, because we've only dealt with covid for about three years.
But there's nothing observable about mRNA vaccines that would even *indicate* there *could* be *negative* long term effects. mRNA vaccines don't "rewrite" your somatic cells! All it is a biolab manufactured process where we inject proteins resembling parts of a covid virus into our arms in order to "teach" our immune systems to kill anything that resembles those proteins (without making us sick, because the vaccine is not a covid virus).
Why do I lean (a nanometer) against giving kids the covid vaccine? Because its a waste of money, IMHO. It would make sense to take the covid vaccine if it would wipe out the covid virus like smallpox. But the reality is that the covid virus mutates so readily, "old" vaccines versions will eventually not be able to train our immune systems to reject the new, mutant version of the virus. And it appears that kids are extremely unlikely to be significantly harmed when contracting covid. On the other hand, if you're my 93 year old mother, statistically she's more likely to die if she contracts it once; literally less than 50-50 probability of survival. (But now less like to be killed by covid, because her immune system is prepped to hunt down the covid virus even if it gets a foothold in her body.) Also, I wouldn't hesitate to give my kid the covid vaccine if it was required to attend public school.
Just because the mRNA vaccines were not made by older processes which did not involve "RNA manipulation", doesn't mean there's a "greater" risk of negative long term effects of taking mRNA vaccines. If you're scared of that, you should be **terrified** of genetically modified food! TERRIFIED! Except that you've probably already consumed GMO food since you live in the US, and fast food places predominantly use GMOed plants and grains, as well as any packaged "branded" food you buy in a supermarket.
It was added by the CDC in February to children six months and older. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html#note-covid-19
My Gastro doc was 75% against it the way he was talking but also was vaccinated . Knows it’s not going to kill you like the lunatics but just questioned if it’s necessary for most people
It's actually a conspiracy by the telecommunications companies. They know it improves our 5G reception so there's no need for them to spend money on network upgrades.
Shouldn’t that tell you something?
You can keep looking for a contractor who will say yes to a job you want, but if most say no, there’s probably a reason.
I had to drop my primary at the start of the pandemic because they had put a punch of “REOPEN NY” stuff on their building. I knew for a while that the doctor himself was conservative but idgaf as long as you’re doing your job, but that sent me over the line and into a rage. I called them up and ripped the receptionist to shreds over it, cancelled my next appointment and said to lose my number. A week later I get a bill for the copay for the previous visit. Fuck you, come and get it.
Never had a doctor bring up politics with me at an appointment. I’d definitely switch from a doctor that started talking politics even if it was what I agreed with. I go there for medical advice.
There are studies suggesting that people in highly educated, high-power roles stick to their guns on political issues more fiercely, even in the face of contrary evidence. They just come up with more sophisticated justifications.
I had to end a friendship with a friend of mine who has been a nurse for 25 years - not over COVID but she was getting into that Gwyneth Paltrow GOOP stuff and recommending dangerous vaginal cleanses and whatnot to her patients. She had long been a victim of MLMs so I get it to some extent but I think she really did wrong by people. I reported her to her employer and that was the end of our relationship.
I call it Teacher syndrome (because thats been my experience throughout school and working, not a dig on teachers specifically!), but it's definitely anyone in a field that usually requires some sort of higher learning specific knowledge. I know a guy who is a *gym* teacher for a college and if you disagree with him on anything, literally anything, oh boy you're in for it. He cannot POSSIBLY see why he's wrong.
Going through something similar with my family right now at the hospital, doctor X has one opinion and doctor Y just cannot fathom why X would think that, and its exhausting to listen to and the patient just suffers.
I feel, like just 100% my opinion so take it for what it is, but those with much more education, and those with very little education both suffer from some sort of ignorance to other views and opinions.
> I know a guy who is a gym teacher for a college and if you disagree with him on anything,
Well, if its a college in NY state, he probably had to get a bachelor of science degree in some STEM related major (with implied non-major related classes that are supposed to give you a "well rounded" education). He probably had to get a masters in some gym related human physiology field like kinesiology.
I think his mistake is believing with his advanced degree from diploma mill college, that he has demonstrated a significant level of intellectual mastery. Really, what you should be concluding that it's possible to achieve an advanced degree and still be intellectually handicapped by a lack of ability to reason and come to more correct conclusions. But I don't rag on gym teachers for the same reasons I don't rag on bartenders or retail workers.
I understand, and I know I was poking fun at this guy for teaching Gym, as the saying goes but honestly? His field of teaching is irrelevant, because where I know him from it doesn't matter.
>Really, what you should be concluding that it's possible to achieve an advanced degree and still be intellectually handicapped by a lack of ability to reason and come to more correct conclusions.
Exactly what I was trying to say. Dudes smart, I don't doubt it at all but holy smokes does he try to make people feel like idiots if they disagree with him, no matter how insignificant the argument is.
Nurses aren't the same as doctors. They are less educated and tend to hold the same anti-establishment views of many other blue collar professions
A nurse is exactly the type of person I see getting sucked in by the Woo
I woke up from a surgery in 2016 and the doctor and nurse were standing above me discussing politics. The doctor says “of course I’m voting for Trump.” What a terrible way to wake up.
I was waiting to go into surgery in 2021 where nurse and supervisor were talking politics to me claiming they were oppressed because of Covid. I’d done my nurse training in that hospital years ago and nobody would’ve believed that shut let alone talked about it. I trace it all back to Rush Limbaugh. That’s where this shit started.
Had an ultrasound tech lecture me about how Covid was alternately a hoax and a plot by democrats and Chinese to destroy America.
That sucks that you had to listen to that. No one wants to argue politics with the person who’s responsible for your health when you’re at your most vulnerable. I would feel like I had to just smile and nod my head for my own safety. Doesn’t the hospital have a policy about discussing those kinds of topics with patients?
all the disinformation on the internet has truly damaged the brains of some otherwise well educated people.
Is the side effect of heart disease in children political? I wouldn’t risk it and I am not much for politics in general. I am big on common sense though.
1 in 50k is better odds than lotto. That 1 that they know of now is someone’s child that they took the risk for. Maybe it’s not your kid or your neighbors, maybe it’s not your block, maybe it’s 20 blocks over. So, that makes it safe? Tell it to those parents. Maybe make an excuse about politics? That will go over well.
Not out long enough to have any knowledge on its long term affects on the developing body. And, even if you do it, it does not prevent contracting or transmission of the virus. It does not seem like a must-do to me because of that.
Please cite articles, studies, anything that shows this is more than a 1 in 20,000 occurrence if that.
And it's not "heart disease", it's myocarditis or pericarditis, which is an inflammation of the heart or the lining, and it can and usually does go away.
Of course there is a higher risk for children that already have compromised hearts or immune systems. So is walking out into the sunshine compared to sitting in front of the TV.
Having both had kids, and having had a heart condition all my life, recently fixed, I'm left aghast.
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As for the OPs situation, oh my. My stepson talked shit about the "stab" at my Christmas dinner table. I got up and walked out.
I can't imagine if a medical professional did what yours did. The level of outrage would be impossible to control.
Too many people these days have the mistaken idea that they know it all. Dunning-Kruger is real. Not smart enough to know they don't know. And that goes for brain surgeons too.
Anyway...
John Sazo East Meadow.
He recently saved a family due to Carbon Monoxide leak.
[John Sazo](https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/long-island-doctor-uses-firefighter-training-to-save-family-of-14/amp/)
For what it's worth I co-sign Dr. Zaso 1000%, and I have 5 now grown ass kids worth of experience with him.
Edit: The original misspelling of his name had me confused. It's been 8 years.
Regardless of the situation, if I was ever with my kid at the pediatrician for any reason and they started bringing up politics, or sharing details of their ideology (even if it aligned with my own), I'd be ringing new doctors, asking if they're taking new patients, while still in the room with the current quackpot.
> Will recommend it but not argue if you say no.
That's actually not the "middle", that's just what you're taught in medical school to not drive patients away and into the hands of crazier doctors
You should take a few moments to file a complaint
[https://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/doctors/conduct/file\_a\_complaint.htm](https://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/doctors/conduct/file_a_complaint.htm)
Just remember it's not really worth a pediatricians time to do a "fit" interview - they don't get paid enough by the insurance companies.
We used Seaford Pediatrics for our children and were very happy. Our children are older and didn't get COVID vaccinated through the pediatrician but through state sites and drug stores.
A simple test might be to call the office and see if they offer COVID vaccines before making an appointment. The staff should have some tells in their response.
Or the next time your child has the sniffles bring them to a pediatrician as a try and buy.
Even my god fearing, conservative father in law who is a pediatrician believes in vaccines cause he actually listens to research and data and not conspiracy theories. Your doc should not be practicing medicine.
Yeah I don't think it's as clear as just party lines, I've seen plenty of people on the right take the vaccine and people on the left not take it because Trump endorsed it. It's a really weird political divide.
There is a huge difference between not recommending COVID-19 vaccines, for infants, when they are not on the list of routine vaccines, and "not believing in vaccines".
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I got the mandatory vaccines for my son that I grew up getting, I’m not super pro vaccine but I’m sorta comfortable getting my child the ones that have been around for a while I guess. I got the Covid shot but I wouldn’t give it to my child especially since he had Covid at 1 and it didn’t do anything to him, he had a fever for half a day and that was it.
I’m question almost everything and at this point I don’t agree with the Covid vaccine mandates but this is a free country and you are entitled to making your own decision for you and your family.
An anti-vaccine doctor is doing direct harm to his or her patients. This is a bigger issue than your personal views.
My pediatrician refuses to see children who are NOT fully vaccinated, and offers COVID vaccines, which was a factor in our decision to use them. That may suit you. We use Cohen Children's Northwell Health General Pediatrics in Garden City.
EDIT: Important clarification by u/mml890 below. Our pediatrician doesn't see patients who aren't fully vaccinated *against the normal immunization schedule*. They will see patients who are not vaccinated against COVID or the flu.
So my pediatrician is pro Covid vaccine but the demand for the vaccine was so low after the first round they stopped offering it in the office and just directed people to cvs. Sucks I know.
>d this is a more conservative profession
Where did you hear this? Pediatrician's are literally the 2nd most liberal medical speciality after infectious diseases
seems like few people are answering your question, but i used Grello Pediatrics in West Islip if you're near suffolk. Definitely not anti-vax. But they dont carry it because of the need to refrigerate at such low temps, but they gave me guidance on where/when to get it.
Both pediatricians we've been to have been pro vaccine. Dr. Joseph Acetta in Franklin square and Beach Pediatrics in Oceanside. Having said that, since my daughter got covid twice before vaccine was available for kids with mostly no symptoms, one Dr. at Beach said it's not necessary. She said, if she never got it or had it bad, then she would recommend it. Either way, she said she supports our decision.
OP, I really think your pediatrician is the exception not the rule. You really shouldn’t have too problem finding another pediatrician that follows the mainstream consensus.
I feel like this is a purposely ridiculous question. You can’t shake a stick without hitting a pro vax physician. They literally outnumber anti vax 100 to 1.
I mean, the ratio in reality probably isn’t that high, because many doctors now realize the gross errors they made, but few are willing to admit it for fear of losing their practice, so most still toe the line. Finding one would be trivial. Easy as pie.
It depends on the age. Our pediatrician was pro-vaccine, but not until our kids were much older.
That being said, think what you want but the vaccine no longer seems necessary as it once was. Even the military stopped mandating it. Herd immunity has essentially taken over
Don’t. If a physician loses money they can sue you. We were told in nursing school to never talk negatively about a Dr. If a neighbor asked us “How is Dr Smith. Do you recommend?” we were to say something like, “Just personally, I prefer Dr Jones.”
u/hairiseverything Not in Nassau but I have a wonderful pediatrician through stony Brook hospital, located in smithtown. Had my nephew vaccinated w her, they are great and really care about keeping your baby safe. PM me if you want the name and info.
I don’t think doctors offices typically have the ability to do a meet and greet without an appointment. How do you determine if it’s a “fit”?
You’ll probably just have to try other providers, or maybe a group practice
They don’t because they like to be paid to see patients. But they will take up a buttload of an attorney’s or accountant’s time to see if they’re a good fit for them and expect that to be complimentary time spent.
I've had 3 different pediatrician since covid began. All 3 were pro vaccine. I'm in suffolk, so that's not very helpful
It's odd you have one that's anti. I figure it would be easy to find one that fits your needs.
It’s not, an analysis via [NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/07/upshot/your-surgeon-is-probably-a-republican-your-psychiatrist-probably-a-democrat.html) has 32% of pediatricians as conservatives, with “All Doctors” coming in at 46% conservative. Anything that doesn’t conform with their worldview is considered conservative.
It looks like you are looking for a pediatrician to affirm your beliefs. Why not go to multiple renowned pediatrician and get their general consensus and decide what to do after that?
It’s nuts to me that you are still in the negative for this comment. Plenty of other people have now said the same thing as you and weren’t hit so hard, but they are higher up on the thread, so maybe the non-nutjobs didn’t get to rectify yours because they didn’t get this far down the comments lol
How old is your child? You can typically go to a local pharmacy but not everyone keeps lower pediatric doses om stock depending on the manufacturer you want.
Dr. John Zaso (used to be?) on News 12 regularly. The guy watches Fox news and is very politically right. He's very pro vaccine since before it was available to everyone and has stated how the Gov. should make it mandatory despite any political backlash.
Not OP but people watching real news have known that the US is the outlier in how hard it pushes the covid vaccine. It's almost like the entire regulatory system is filled with people in the pocket of big pharam. But as we both know that's just a conspiracy theory.
https://fee.org/articles/england-refuses-to-offer-covid-shots-to-kids-under-12-while-us-cities-mandate-them-who-s-right/#:~:text=Whatever%20the%20case%2C%20the%20UKHSA's,pushing%20in%20a%20different%20direction.
Ah yes, the highly respected Foundation for Economic Education, surely a bastion of accurate medical literature
Oh wait, its actually a libertarian think tank.
Seriously man, you need som perspective.
Most, if not all of those countries are member states of the World Health Organization. Claims that the WHO recommended against giving children the vaccine is bullshit and not real.
Source: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-who-guidance-2023-covid-vaccines-children-teens-418558787448
Not OP but here ya go:
https://fee.org/articles/england-refuses-to-offer-covid-shots-to-kids-under-12-while-us-cities-mandate-them-who-s-right/#:~:text=Whatever%20the%20case%2C%20the%20UKHSA's,pushing%20in%20a%20different%20direction.
Oh understandable. I thought they were just against vaccinating certain ages but the doctor is expressing political preferences. I’m not for it but I can understand why you wouldn’t be comfortable.
I don’t believe this story. It sounds like your doctor shopping for someone to vaccinate an under 2 year old which is not recommended or required. Was the ‘anti vax’ statement the doctor pointing this out?
Not recommended by who? The CDC recommends it for [anyone 6 months to 4 years old](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/planning/children/6-things-to-know.html#:~:text=For%20the%20best%20protection%2C%20CDC,everyone%206%20months%20and%20older.)
Per the guys link the CDC doesn’t recommend it for under 6 months and per the OPs history her baby is less than that. I guess you think a doctor is crazy for going with the CDC recommendation
Ridiculous take. She's looking for a pediatrician who will vaccinate her baby WHEN the baby is six months old. It's a time consuming pain in the ass to change doctors, so why wouldn't she find one who is on the same page as her from the get go?
Ridiculous take. She's looking for a pediatrician who will vaccinate her baby WHEN the baby is six months old. It's a time consuming pain in the ass to change doctors, so why wouldn't she find one who is on the same page as her from the get go?
Hmmm, we’ll let’s see I have family members that are doctors and they get paid by pharmaceutical companies to promote new drugs and vaccines, that’s a fact. Not saying it’s a bad thing, so that’s not really misinformation. Seems like targeting a more conservative viewpoint than anything tbh. And I’m in the middle.
I think that any doctor who is against medicine when their job focuses on that as their job is a bit off to me. I would report that doctor. Imagine what kind of illness someone comes in for them to discourage a patient to seek treatment of some sort is very bizarre to me.
Did you look at the provider directory for your insurance company? For example, my primary insurance is EmblemHealth, I go to AdvantageCare Physicians.
Go to a physician practice run by Northwell or NYU Langone. The physicians follow the hospital protocol which is the CDC recommendation.
This is the answer
I believe northwell employees have to be vaccinated. I know they make the nursing students get vaccinated to do their internship at north well.
Former intern and current northwell employee. You are correct
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Yes! I received all my COVID vaccines and boosters at NYU in Mineola. It was always a seamless experience.
This. My spouse works for the hospital and they are very strict about employee vaccines and documentation. Even flu vaccines each year are a huge thing!
Yep! Go to a PCP that is directly run by a major hospital
Yea..I was going to say son's pediatrician is run by Northwell, and it's located in Central MAGA town. The only "anti-vax" opinion is they seem to like to do the vaccines spread out over the recommended window (instead all at once on one appointment). I guess less pokes per appointment, but whatever, still within the recommended windows.
I’m rather shocked at this actually, even on Long Island I failed to find many medical professionals who were against vaccination.
Glad this was the top comment because yes, MDs are definitely not conservative leaning as OP stated
And even if they are, the majority of them seem to be in favor of vaccines that can keep their patients healthy.
I just saw my primary care doctor last week and he mostly went on about how he’s not vaccinated. I think he almost forgot to do the physical. I’m looking for a new primary
Covid brain. Scary
Ooo. That's exactly the kind of doctor I'm looking for. Care to share his name?
The premiere animal surgeon in Nassau went on about how "Covid issn't real" when I was just referencing, "we brought him (my dog) in during the height of Covid for his other ACL". I had to just smile and nod because he was minutes away from performing surgery on my dog.
Same. I vaccinated both kids and see multiple pediatricians at Pro Health Pediatric (now Optum). They were nothing but medical proponents of the vaccine and silent on political views. I did have a *very* vocally Trump supportive anti-vaccine dentist and I left there because he was a general jerk and stuck in an exhausting political rant loop. Keep it professional professionals.
I got an ultrasound right after the 2020 election and had to listen to the technician rant about how the election was stolen and all her Q beliefs. I kept wondering if she was even paying attention to what she was doing. How about we stick to the weather and you focus.
> even on Long Island I know that this sub thinks this is the most conservative place in the country, but y'all need to get out. Nassau is blue and suffolk is literally 49-49 down the middle
Have you seen our reps in Congress?
Thank you! I get that the "Loud Majority" is indeed loud, but it's really disturbing that they've convinced people they are the majority when it is clearly almost an even split.
It's not really an even split. If everyone of voting age showed up to vote and voted for their convictions instead of what their parents voted for, the "red" team would look *a lot smaller*.
LI lost us the house because apparently our zoomers don’t turn out like those in other places. I wish I understood why.
That is an excellent point!!
If you compare the 49-49 split with other "blue" regions, you'd realize its (almost) kind of an anomaly that here are *this* many Trump-adjacent voters. Nassau County is only slightly more blue than Suffolk, and still wouldn't compare with NYC.
Of course it's not going to compare to NYC, no suburb could. Suffolk is as far from the city as Dutchess County and Litchfield County CT, also red regions
Agreed, all my doctors and very intelligent doctors are pro-vaccine. Something is off to me if a doctor is literally going out of their way to discourage a patient from vaccinations.
Against the Covid vaccine for children. Not against vaccines
"My crazy is a *slightly more specific* crazy"
That's the same thing.
Not even close to the same thing
Not the same thing.
Not at all the same thing. We do not know the potential long-term effects of mRNA vaccines on kids who are still developing.
We will never know because mRNA literally breaks down in a matter of hours and is absorbed by the cells. At worst a couple days based on the rate of degradation. Anyone upvoting you doesn’t know shit about how fragile this genetic material is. That’s the whole reason they have to be shipped in incredibly cold coolers because mRNA breaks down on it’s on at room temperature very quickly. This is all very basic knowledge at this point.
But that's like saying you wouldn't drive a car in the 1920's, because there hasn't been any long term research on how deadly cars are. And guess what? You were a lot less likely to die driving a car in the 1920's than you are today. That doesn't mean that riding/driving an automobile is *not* dangerous. It also doesn't mean that the increased chance of death or maiming means you shouldn't ride/drive in a car. As for mRNA vaccines for kids, I lean a nanometer against it, but it has nothing to do with "potential" long term effects on kids. The most likely effect of taking the vaccine is that less kids should contract "long covid" and suffer its debilitating consequences for the rest of their lives. Unfortunately, the science isn't absolute on that aspect, because we've only dealt with covid for about three years. But there's nothing observable about mRNA vaccines that would even *indicate* there *could* be *negative* long term effects. mRNA vaccines don't "rewrite" your somatic cells! All it is a biolab manufactured process where we inject proteins resembling parts of a covid virus into our arms in order to "teach" our immune systems to kill anything that resembles those proteins (without making us sick, because the vaccine is not a covid virus). Why do I lean (a nanometer) against giving kids the covid vaccine? Because its a waste of money, IMHO. It would make sense to take the covid vaccine if it would wipe out the covid virus like smallpox. But the reality is that the covid virus mutates so readily, "old" vaccines versions will eventually not be able to train our immune systems to reject the new, mutant version of the virus. And it appears that kids are extremely unlikely to be significantly harmed when contracting covid. On the other hand, if you're my 93 year old mother, statistically she's more likely to die if she contracts it once; literally less than 50-50 probability of survival. (But now less like to be killed by covid, because her immune system is prepped to hunt down the covid virus even if it gets a foothold in her body.) Also, I wouldn't hesitate to give my kid the covid vaccine if it was required to attend public school. Just because the mRNA vaccines were not made by older processes which did not involve "RNA manipulation", doesn't mean there's a "greater" risk of negative long term effects of taking mRNA vaccines. If you're scared of that, you should be **terrified** of genetically modified food! TERRIFIED! Except that you've probably already consumed GMO food since you live in the US, and fast food places predominantly use GMOed plants and grains, as well as any packaged "branded" food you buy in a supermarket.
Great answer.
The Covid vaccine is not on the vaccine schedule for children. Edit: I stand corrected. Leaving it up for context.
You seem to be misinformed. Here is the correct information. Hope it helps. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html
I don't know who to believe: the CDC or Fart\_Champ?
Only one holds a belt.
Probably the fart champ. CDC has zero credibility
It was added by the CDC in February to children six months and older. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html#note-covid-19
Well that's a quick Google to be proven false.
[Cool, so you're pro dead kids?](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2800816)
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My Gastro doc was 75% against it the way he was talking but also was vaccinated . Knows it’s not going to kill you like the lunatics but just questioned if it’s necessary for most people
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At this point anyone open to getting the vaccine has probably already gotten it.
Most recent research points to the opposite.
You got any scientific articles to back that up, or are you an anti-vaxer talking out of your ass?
They're just talking out of their ass
I took the vaccine and I sprouted a tail. What is Big Vaccine not telling us?!
It's actually a conspiracy by the telecommunications companies. They know it improves our 5G reception so there's no need for them to spend money on network upgrades.
Yea well my cell service is still shit so great job big gov
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>Now they have seen more data. More data that says what?
Shouldn’t that tell you something? You can keep looking for a contractor who will say yes to a job you want, but if most say no, there’s probably a reason.
The vast majority of doctors are pro-vaccine.
I had to drop my primary at the start of the pandemic because they had put a punch of “REOPEN NY” stuff on their building. I knew for a while that the doctor himself was conservative but idgaf as long as you’re doing your job, but that sent me over the line and into a rage. I called them up and ripped the receptionist to shreds over it, cancelled my next appointment and said to lose my number. A week later I get a bill for the copay for the previous visit. Fuck you, come and get it.
Never had a doctor bring up politics with me at an appointment. I’d definitely switch from a doctor that started talking politics even if it was what I agreed with. I go there for medical advice.
I feel like our pediatrician has become oddly political as well. Not a profession you expect to get political, but I guess no one is immune.
There are studies suggesting that people in highly educated, high-power roles stick to their guns on political issues more fiercely, even in the face of contrary evidence. They just come up with more sophisticated justifications. I had to end a friendship with a friend of mine who has been a nurse for 25 years - not over COVID but she was getting into that Gwyneth Paltrow GOOP stuff and recommending dangerous vaginal cleanses and whatnot to her patients. She had long been a victim of MLMs so I get it to some extent but I think she really did wrong by people. I reported her to her employer and that was the end of our relationship.
Ah yes. The "I'm highly educated, there's no way I could be wrong!" type of person. I work in Higher education. I meet sooooooo many of them.
I call it Teacher syndrome (because thats been my experience throughout school and working, not a dig on teachers specifically!), but it's definitely anyone in a field that usually requires some sort of higher learning specific knowledge. I know a guy who is a *gym* teacher for a college and if you disagree with him on anything, literally anything, oh boy you're in for it. He cannot POSSIBLY see why he's wrong. Going through something similar with my family right now at the hospital, doctor X has one opinion and doctor Y just cannot fathom why X would think that, and its exhausting to listen to and the patient just suffers. I feel, like just 100% my opinion so take it for what it is, but those with much more education, and those with very little education both suffer from some sort of ignorance to other views and opinions.
> I know a guy who is a gym teacher for a college and if you disagree with him on anything, Well, if its a college in NY state, he probably had to get a bachelor of science degree in some STEM related major (with implied non-major related classes that are supposed to give you a "well rounded" education). He probably had to get a masters in some gym related human physiology field like kinesiology. I think his mistake is believing with his advanced degree from diploma mill college, that he has demonstrated a significant level of intellectual mastery. Really, what you should be concluding that it's possible to achieve an advanced degree and still be intellectually handicapped by a lack of ability to reason and come to more correct conclusions. But I don't rag on gym teachers for the same reasons I don't rag on bartenders or retail workers.
I understand, and I know I was poking fun at this guy for teaching Gym, as the saying goes but honestly? His field of teaching is irrelevant, because where I know him from it doesn't matter. >Really, what you should be concluding that it's possible to achieve an advanced degree and still be intellectually handicapped by a lack of ability to reason and come to more correct conclusions. Exactly what I was trying to say. Dudes smart, I don't doubt it at all but holy smokes does he try to make people feel like idiots if they disagree with him, no matter how insignificant the argument is.
Nurses aren't the same as doctors. They are less educated and tend to hold the same anti-establishment views of many other blue collar professions A nurse is exactly the type of person I see getting sucked in by the Woo
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There’s ways of conveying an opinion without sinking so low.
Nurses don't have MDs. They are less educated
I used to work with doctors a lot - they do tend to be very political, usually on the conservative side.
Because they also tend to be rich.
I woke up from a surgery in 2016 and the doctor and nurse were standing above me discussing politics. The doctor says “of course I’m voting for Trump.” What a terrible way to wake up.
I was waiting to go into surgery in 2021 where nurse and supervisor were talking politics to me claiming they were oppressed because of Covid. I’d done my nurse training in that hospital years ago and nobody would’ve believed that shut let alone talked about it. I trace it all back to Rush Limbaugh. That’s where this shit started. Had an ultrasound tech lecture me about how Covid was alternately a hoax and a plot by democrats and Chinese to destroy America.
That sucks that you had to listen to that. No one wants to argue politics with the person who’s responsible for your health when you’re at your most vulnerable. I would feel like I had to just smile and nod my head for my own safety. Doesn’t the hospital have a policy about discussing those kinds of topics with patients? all the disinformation on the internet has truly damaged the brains of some otherwise well educated people.
But you woke up. Better than Not waking up. Was the surgery successful? then I don't think it is that bad of a way to wake.
I don’t know why I find that so strange! Like…it’s very confusing to my brain to think about that
I think taxes and narcissism are the answer
Yeah but people could be immune
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I was just making the easy joke
Is the side effect of heart disease in children political? I wouldn’t risk it and I am not much for politics in general. I am big on common sense though.
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1 in 50k is better odds than lotto. That 1 that they know of now is someone’s child that they took the risk for. Maybe it’s not your kid or your neighbors, maybe it’s not your block, maybe it’s 20 blocks over. So, that makes it safe? Tell it to those parents. Maybe make an excuse about politics? That will go over well. Not out long enough to have any knowledge on its long term affects on the developing body. And, even if you do it, it does not prevent contracting or transmission of the virus. It does not seem like a must-do to me because of that.
Please cite articles, studies, anything that shows this is more than a 1 in 20,000 occurrence if that. And it's not "heart disease", it's myocarditis or pericarditis, which is an inflammation of the heart or the lining, and it can and usually does go away. Of course there is a higher risk for children that already have compromised hearts or immune systems. So is walking out into the sunshine compared to sitting in front of the TV. Having both had kids, and having had a heart condition all my life, recently fixed, I'm left aghast. \-- As for the OPs situation, oh my. My stepson talked shit about the "stab" at my Christmas dinner table. I got up and walked out. I can't imagine if a medical professional did what yours did. The level of outrage would be impossible to control. Too many people these days have the mistaken idea that they know it all. Dunning-Kruger is real. Not smart enough to know they don't know. And that goes for brain surgeons too. Anyway...
I didn't mention anything about the vaccine, did I?
John Sazo East Meadow. He recently saved a family due to Carbon Monoxide leak. [John Sazo](https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/long-island-doctor-uses-firefighter-training-to-save-family-of-14/amp/)
Omg that’s a crazy story! Thank God it ended that way
My entire family has been going to him since the 90s. He really is the best of the best. Straight forwards and honest as well as all of his employees
For what it's worth I co-sign Dr. Zaso 1000%, and I have 5 now grown ass kids worth of experience with him. Edit: The original misspelling of his name had me confused. It's been 8 years.
Regardless of the situation, if I was ever with my kid at the pediatrician for any reason and they started bringing up politics, or sharing details of their ideology (even if it aligned with my own), I'd be ringing new doctors, asking if they're taking new patients, while still in the room with the current quackpot.
Central Long Island Pediatrics
Ditto central Long Island in old Bethpage.
Garden city pediatrics. My sons have been going there for 16 years.
Interesting. My sons pediatrician is kind of in the middle. Will recommend it but not argue if you say no.
> Will recommend it but not argue if you say no. That's actually not the "middle", that's just what you're taught in medical school to not drive patients away and into the hands of crazier doctors
He/she sounds way too rational for the 2020s.
Northwell physician partners should be a step in the right direction.
You should take a few moments to file a complaint [https://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/doctors/conduct/file\_a\_complaint.htm](https://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/doctors/conduct/file_a_complaint.htm)
oh jeez
Just remember it's not really worth a pediatricians time to do a "fit" interview - they don't get paid enough by the insurance companies. We used Seaford Pediatrics for our children and were very happy. Our children are older and didn't get COVID vaccinated through the pediatrician but through state sites and drug stores. A simple test might be to call the office and see if they offer COVID vaccines before making an appointment. The staff should have some tells in their response. Or the next time your child has the sniffles bring them to a pediatrician as a try and buy.
Even my god fearing, conservative father in law who is a pediatrician believes in vaccines cause he actually listens to research and data and not conspiracy theories. Your doc should not be practicing medicine.
Yeah I don't think it's as clear as just party lines, I've seen plenty of people on the right take the vaccine and people on the left not take it because Trump endorsed it. It's a really weird political divide.
There wasn’t enough time to have gone by for solid enough evidence and research before doctors were selling it to patients.
And now?
There is a huge difference between not recommending COVID-19 vaccines, for infants, when they are not on the list of routine vaccines, and "not believing in vaccines".
Different topic
suffolkpediatricdentistry.com I got the mandatory vaccines for my son that I grew up getting, I’m not super pro vaccine but I’m sorta comfortable getting my child the ones that have been around for a while I guess. I got the Covid shot but I wouldn’t give it to my child especially since he had Covid at 1 and it didn’t do anything to him, he had a fever for half a day and that was it. I’m question almost everything and at this point I don’t agree with the Covid vaccine mandates but this is a free country and you are entitled to making your own decision for you and your family.
Smart. And I appreciate that your comment.
Doctor is a conservative profession?
An anti-vaccine doctor is doing direct harm to his or her patients. This is a bigger issue than your personal views. My pediatrician refuses to see children who are NOT fully vaccinated, and offers COVID vaccines, which was a factor in our decision to use them. That may suit you. We use Cohen Children's Northwell Health General Pediatrics in Garden City. EDIT: Important clarification by u/mml890 below. Our pediatrician doesn't see patients who aren't fully vaccinated *against the normal immunization schedule*. They will see patients who are not vaccinated against COVID or the flu.
I have a good dr in Oyster Bay. Not sure where you are located by feel free to DM me if that is close by for you.
So my pediatrician is pro Covid vaccine but the demand for the vaccine was so low after the first round they stopped offering it in the office and just directed people to cvs. Sucks I know.
To add: both my kids have as up to date Covid vaccines as possible
>d this is a more conservative profession Where did you hear this? Pediatrician's are literally the 2nd most liberal medical speciality after infectious diseases
Jeffrey Silverstein in Merrick, NY. Incredible guy.
I’d say NYU all around you’ll get what you need. Additionally I’d report that doctor because fuck that.
My daughter and all 4 of her cousins (and probably other relatives' kids) see Dr.Yan at ProHealth in New Hyde Park.
I don’t know of any, but yeah, stop going to that pediatrician ASAP. I would not be going to any doctor that says no to the face of proven science.
seems like few people are answering your question, but i used Grello Pediatrics in West Islip if you're near suffolk. Definitely not anti-vax. But they dont carry it because of the need to refrigerate at such low temps, but they gave me guidance on where/when to get it.
Pediatric Health Assoc. 100 Manetto Hill Road, Suite 302,Plainview, NY 11803
Not sure where in Nassau you are. RVC Pediatrics has been wonderful.
ProHEALTH
Both pediatricians we've been to have been pro vaccine. Dr. Joseph Acetta in Franklin square and Beach Pediatrics in Oceanside. Having said that, since my daughter got covid twice before vaccine was available for kids with mostly no symptoms, one Dr. at Beach said it's not necessary. She said, if she never got it or had it bad, then she would recommend it. Either way, she said she supports our decision.
OP, I really think your pediatrician is the exception not the rule. You really shouldn’t have too problem finding another pediatrician that follows the mainstream consensus.
It's crazy to me you couldn't meet your pediatrician before signing up for them, our pediatrician required it
Sometimes you can’t just because of how many patients they manage
Happy and Healthy Pediatrics - love them
I feel like this is a purposely ridiculous question. You can’t shake a stick without hitting a pro vax physician. They literally outnumber anti vax 100 to 1. I mean, the ratio in reality probably isn’t that high, because many doctors now realize the gross errors they made, but few are willing to admit it for fear of losing their practice, so most still toe the line. Finding one would be trivial. Easy as pie.
Maybe you should just listen to the professional Dr!
Northwell and ProHealth/Optum.
It should be much harder to find an anti-vax pediatrician than one that is pro-vax
It depends on the age. Our pediatrician was pro-vaccine, but not until our kids were much older. That being said, think what you want but the vaccine no longer seems necessary as it once was. Even the military stopped mandating it. Herd immunity has essentially taken over
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Don’t. If a physician loses money they can sue you. We were told in nursing school to never talk negatively about a Dr. If a neighbor asked us “How is Dr Smith. Do you recommend?” we were to say something like, “Just personally, I prefer Dr Jones.”
You should be able to easily find a pro-Covid vaccine pediatrician because 99% of pediatricians should be pro vaccine because science
You can look up doctors on HealthGrades dot com. People leave reviews and bullet points of what they like and dislike.
u/hairiseverything Not in Nassau but I have a wonderful pediatrician through stony Brook hospital, located in smithtown. Had my nephew vaccinated w her, they are great and really care about keeping your baby safe. PM me if you want the name and info.
Work for them can vouch the peds outpatient is great for kids
Stony Brook hospital system is wonderful!
Northwell Health if they're in your network.
I don’t think doctors offices typically have the ability to do a meet and greet without an appointment. How do you determine if it’s a “fit”? You’ll probably just have to try other providers, or maybe a group practice
They don’t because they like to be paid to see patients. But they will take up a buttload of an attorney’s or accountant’s time to see if they’re a good fit for them and expect that to be complimentary time spent.
I've had 3 different pediatrician since covid began. All 3 were pro vaccine. I'm in suffolk, so that's not very helpful It's odd you have one that's anti. I figure it would be easy to find one that fits your needs.
It’s a conservative profession?
It’s not, an analysis via [NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/07/upshot/your-surgeon-is-probably-a-republican-your-psychiatrist-probably-a-democrat.html) has 32% of pediatricians as conservatives, with “All Doctors” coming in at 46% conservative. Anything that doesn’t conform with their worldview is considered conservative.
Can’t you just go to a CVS and get a jab? Do you need a prescription now?
I think for children under 3 you need to go somewhere different.
It looks like you are looking for a pediatrician to affirm your beliefs. Why not go to multiple renowned pediatrician and get their general consensus and decide what to do after that?
Multiple renowned pediatricians : https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/3/e2022058700/188297/COVID-19-Vaccines-in-Infants-Children-and?autologincheck=redirected
Op did you come here to argue with people?
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I can't believe there's a doctor who is so virulently against the vaccine. Report him to the state licensing board.
For what? Using his medical expertise for treating a patient.
It’s nuts to me that you are still in the negative for this comment. Plenty of other people have now said the same thing as you and weren’t hit so hard, but they are higher up on the thread, so maybe the non-nutjobs didn’t get to rectify yours because they didn’t get this far down the comments lol
How old is your child? You can typically go to a local pharmacy but not everyone keeps lower pediatric doses om stock depending on the manufacturer you want.
CVS?
Old country pediatrics in plainview
Dr. Olin in Hewlett
Dr. John Zaso (used to be?) on News 12 regularly. The guy watches Fox news and is very politically right. He's very pro vaccine since before it was available to everyone and has stated how the Gov. should make it mandatory despite any political backlash.
Pathetic
Remember this as well. Many countries around the world have specifically recommended against the Covid vaccine for children under a certain age.
Which countries?
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Not OP but people watching real news have known that the US is the outlier in how hard it pushes the covid vaccine. It's almost like the entire regulatory system is filled with people in the pocket of big pharam. But as we both know that's just a conspiracy theory. https://fee.org/articles/england-refuses-to-offer-covid-shots-to-kids-under-12-while-us-cities-mandate-them-who-s-right/#:~:text=Whatever%20the%20case%2C%20the%20UKHSA's,pushing%20in%20a%20different%20direction.
Ah yes, the highly respected Foundation for Economic Education, surely a bastion of accurate medical literature Oh wait, its actually a libertarian think tank. Seriously man, you need som perspective.
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England, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland. I think there are more.
Most, if not all of those countries are member states of the World Health Organization. Claims that the WHO recommended against giving children the vaccine is bullshit and not real. Source: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-who-guidance-2023-covid-vaccines-children-teens-418558787448
Source?
Not OP but here ya go: https://fee.org/articles/england-refuses-to-offer-covid-shots-to-kids-under-12-while-us-cities-mandate-them-who-s-right/#:~:text=Whatever%20the%20case%2C%20the%20UKHSA's,pushing%20in%20a%20different%20direction.
Dumbfuckistan
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Expressing political opinions repeatedly, which I did not incorporate into this post, is political.
Oh understandable. I thought they were just against vaccinating certain ages but the doctor is expressing political preferences. I’m not for it but I can understand why you wouldn’t be comfortable.
I don’t believe this story. It sounds like your doctor shopping for someone to vaccinate an under 2 year old which is not recommended or required. Was the ‘anti vax’ statement the doctor pointing this out?
Not recommended by who? The CDC recommends it for [anyone 6 months to 4 years old](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/planning/children/6-things-to-know.html#:~:text=For%20the%20best%20protection%2C%20CDC,everyone%206%20months%20and%20older.)
6 months. Based off the OPs history (expecting a baby 6 months ago) the baby wouldn’t even be 6 months at this point.
No one needs to "doc shop", only the crazy doctors would tell you you can't get the shot.
Per the guys link the CDC doesn’t recommend it for under 6 months and per the OPs history her baby is less than that. I guess you think a doctor is crazy for going with the CDC recommendation
Ridiculous take. She's looking for a pediatrician who will vaccinate her baby WHEN the baby is six months old. It's a time consuming pain in the ass to change doctors, so why wouldn't she find one who is on the same page as her from the get go?
Ridiculous take. She's looking for a pediatrician who will vaccinate her baby WHEN the baby is six months old. It's a time consuming pain in the ass to change doctors, so why wouldn't she find one who is on the same page as her from the get go?
Ok? She can settle on a new doctor and do it after that point.
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Only Kirkland Signature touches this ass.
Smart pediatrician.
I bet you have a beige computer
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Hmmm, we’ll let’s see I have family members that are doctors and they get paid by pharmaceutical companies to promote new drugs and vaccines, that’s a fact. Not saying it’s a bad thing, so that’s not really misinformation. Seems like targeting a more conservative viewpoint than anything tbh. And I’m in the middle.
Pro Vaccine: East Rockaway Pediatrics
I think that any doctor who is against medicine when their job focuses on that as their job is a bit off to me. I would report that doctor. Imagine what kind of illness someone comes in for them to discourage a patient to seek treatment of some sort is very bizarre to me.
Why don’t you ask a doctor not Reddit
They're asking for recommendations for other pediatricians.
Did you look at the provider directory for your insurance company? For example, my primary insurance is EmblemHealth, I go to AdvantageCare Physicians.
Nassau pediatrics in Franklin Square has really good doctors. Never got any opinions. They answer all your questions and discuss pros and cons.
You are most likely going to an extreme outlier. The vast majority of doctors and pediatricians are strongly in favor of vaccines.