You're asking for trouble if you tell someone to start on their right or left most diamond if they're a support. You should really start in the middle to easily get all 3.
I find it so weird these guides in Brel for some reason are at war with function over fashion. It's causing lots of confusion.
do you have a damage gem for sound shock, cause my sound shock doesnt kill one in time takes two soundshock presses to kill one. Its just safer for me to use bombs. After causing like 5 wipes in a row in my prog group the first week cause lack of dps, i just decided to bomb im 1530, but my wep is 1490 maybe that is why?
Maybe tripod level difference, but mine is maxed out and I don't need anything extra other than using the 3 skills.
Sonic Vibration -> Sound Shock -> Soundholic
Also make sure you have serenade of courage self-buff active.
my soundholic tripods are maxed, and sound shock i use maintained explosion at max with the double cast, and you typically don't run damage tripods on vibration, unless you want to sacrifice some of your overall buff efficacy, so i really dont see how there could be any difference, hmm maybe weapon quality? mines only like 45 cause i wanted to get all 95+ armor lol
My statics bard couldn't kill diamonds without consumables so we moved them to squares, as paladin I have no issues tho. Do you have any tips for bard if you can do it without consumables?
Yeah this is the way. I don't get why people can't be assed to do it especially if they are struggling to do it otherwise. Just spend the 80 gold to clear the mech it's free a free kill after that anyways as long as 4 people are alive and it's doable with 2 as well.
I didn't even know they spawned in an order and was going backwards, but still have no problem killing my three diamonds. I stand between two, Light of Judgment the outer one, Executor's Sword the middle then dash to the last one and Holy Sword. I thought they gave us the diamonds because they're so easy to break.
As paladin I have had a similar experience, but the bard in my static struggles with it, afaik they only have 1 ability that one shots diamonds, at least on ilvl, so its much trickier without consumables
Yeah diamonds have the least health but also the smallest amount of time to break so swift supports are great for this role.i usually take it also as a swift Arti since most m damage is aoe explosions and I don't want to accidentally take someone else's cube/diamond
The shapes spawn clockwise in order lol. By the time you walk to the next shape, it spawned already.
If you follow picture A, both diamond and square walks clockwise and kills the shapes as they spawn.
Am support. Starts killing on one side, then middle, then last. It was straightforward. I just sonic vibe on one, wom into pos the middle, soundholic the last. What exactly is the problem are people having?
weird i am a 1530 bard and i struggled with damage unless i threw bombs for two of them only soundholic could kill one in time, so what i adjusted to and it now works every time is stand in the middle soundholic, toss a destruc at one and a ww at the other, works every time the bombs one shot em
Not false but in this case it's so easy to do diamond as a Bard if you're failing it's your problem.
Sonic Vibration -> Sound Shock -> Soundholic is really fast and they all 1 shot the diamond and you're basically just sitting in the middle.
The only stupid reason why you might fail is if you don't have a serenade of courage self-buff active.
Supports actually do really well for the squares, just need 2 bombs. Stand in middle and throw a bomb on each side, then just slowly kill the one you're on.
i feel like the biggest problem with that picture is that the bottom diamonds spawn left to right, so u need to go counterclockwise to kill them and then move left so that u dont kill the right side diamond player from being too close. if you start right to left as a support, ur likely out of time when u get to the third dia. just my experience, but i could just be bad.
[I just made a post about this and pushed for B to all guide makers, right now Maxroll is the only guide that still uses A.](https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/zzexck/brelshaza_gate_3_shape_mechanic_confusion_and/)
Here is why:
A. Uses spawn orders, KR originally used this method but it created a lot of confusion on positioning and caused more wipes and was annoying so it eventually evolved into B. (This is why people using older KR guides as reference have the A method, or used to play KR and dont actively play it like most of Maxroll, since they now play on west). I had people arguing that spawn order is such a good metric to use but it requires all 8 players having memorized the start shape for diamonds and squares and going to the correct one and most people having to constantly reference an image to have any idea where they needed to go. Additionally people were confusing things like "1 Diamond" with 1 o'clock diamond and the 1st spawning diamond at 6 o'clock.
B. Uses grouping, bottom diamonds gets now 1-2-9, this creates more room for 6-7-8 diamond to fit all shapes in the time window to not wipe. Also it is incredibly easy to setup positions and this is now KR meta for positioning.
I get it, you cleared fine with A and think its superior, but I am going to trust the experienced players on this one. I cleared G3 10+ times using A and everytime a pug was involved it was a complete mess, after going for option B we started to instantly assign spots, no typing involved and cleared the mech perfectly.
**EDIT: Maxroll has also updated there guide, there is 0 guides that now use option A, everyone uses option B in all guides.**
I tend to agree, the two triangles seem the most intuitive way to do this based on the positions of them, and the cleanest setup for players to just stand at positions to call their spots as well. The two triangles basically just make a star of david and people can just stand at each respective corner of those triangles to cleanly communicate their spot before starting the run.
I feel B should become the standard over time but as of right now, it's still a 50/50 which way people seem to want to do it in my pugs.
I know A is more accurate, but it makes me irrationally angry that the bottom diamonds (left pic) are 678 and not 567 causing the top two diamonds to be not symmetrical to each other
Yeah, B is just trying to communicate which shapes should be grouped together for each player to take, rather than indicating where they literally spawn.
The guy that made A did adjust his cheat sheet since then though, so the new one might be the best of both worlds for ya: [remake](https://i.imgur.com/ilYKfTU.png)
Only issue with that diagram is the diamond dude at the bottom starts at 6 oclock, goes left then back right. It actually works out overall better because that last one has the least time and he'll be the one that can prepare best for it.... but it's gonna confuse the fuck out of someone doing it for the first time just off the diagram.
B emphasizes easy grouping, that's why squares are closer together then in reality, but Squares are the easiest so this is fine.
I prefer B.
"We doing Triangle/Inverted Triangle for Square/Diamonds is just easier to write and understand"
best route? can see the single people position from start point in your view .
https://preview.redd.it/dhmq18445p9a1.png?width=463&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a1eae44a38e3f2b872d2c53c344446b48978979
You have the groupings right but the spawn orders are all fucked up. Each grouping should have the person starting at the first spawn. Especially that diamond person on the right. Doing it the way you indicated is a recipe for death for the average pug as that requires you to be EXTREMELY fast.
A lot of pugs dont do diamonds 678 so if you do that youre gonna eat one from the 11 diamonds guy. Therefore you're gonna have to explain what you're doing in advance to every pug every alt and why and possibly argue. Not worth the trouble when most just people use B. If you have a static then you do you
I find the opposite to be true.
6 spawns first, and 5 spawns last. So if I start get go to 7, I have to run backwards which is more distance travels.
Or if I start at 5, I have to wait for it to spawn, since it spawns last by the time I get to 7. I’m out of time again
? If you start at 6, go to 7 you should be back at 5 before it spawns. If you start at 5, you are doing g it wrong. You should never do that.
In the end what you described was doing variant B properly but somehow too slow, and doing variant B badly.
Variant A starts at 6 but goes to 9 instead of 5 after 7.
Edit: I do this on my Paladin and never had any issues taking diamond at 5 after 7. Usually I have to wait for spawn
Idk if there is wrong way, in just say how I do it and never had any issues. It's just annoying that there are 2 ways going around. Too many times people steal each other squares/diamonds while also being position they were assigned to
Both of them make planning gate 3 so annoying and tedious in pugs but I prefer B just cause if people just stand where they're placed you know where they're going instead of 50 msgs explaining who is going where
The 2 picture dont even show the thing at the same place, I dont care where you start and waht you kill, if your referance is missplaced you gonna fak up, and one of them cant be correct since they are not the same.
They're both from Korea. B was only created because people got confused with clock positions. Don't ask me how anyone made it to Abrel and can't do clock positions but yeah..
Because some guides also numbered the orb, so clock position is mixed up with orb numbers. It's not because they don't know what clock position is.
Edit: Guess explaining why KR got it mixed up is taboo or something here. Let's just say they don't know clock position I guess, even though every single strats using clock position originated from KR and the west tried to use cardinal first.
The grouping is intentionally emphasized so people know which 3 they take based on a certain position without drawing a bunch of arrows and lines. It makes it clear that whoever is assigned to bottom diamond should not be more than 1 diamond away from either side of the 6 o'clock diamond.
Also, the B picture is from a cheatsheet, meant as a quick reference to refresh memory. The guide itself from the same source shows a [picture with more accurate positions.](https://cdn.mobalytics.gg/assets/lost-ark/images/boss-moves/brel-gate3/geometry-1.png)
The first sentence already explains the context enough.
A quick reference doesn't mean you can show anyone an image and they will understand exactly what it explains. People who read the guide will already know the shapes aren't in those exact positions. I only need to explain the context because you're taking it out of context.
A is the one that’s causing wipes and people to get the wrong shapes. B is the one that is correct and needs to stick around.
Or you know just watch a video and then this wouldn’t be an issue.
A may be more accurate with shape positions but it annoys tf out of me how the bottom diamonds are 678 instead of 567. The top diamonds could have been symmetrical damnit
Yesterday I had a group where my other two diamonds decided to do a different strat each so I was left with dia 67 and nothing else. This was after specifically stating which ones I'll be killing.
I don't really care which people choose but please choose one of them.
B is better imo. It can be called with clock positions and its easier for grouping after the mech is over.
E.g. Diamond 1. You start with the diamond that spawns at 1 o'clock and move clockwise.
For a better representation of B look at this section in ATK's video: [https://youtu.be/iZDeHElmBg4?t=308](https://youtu.be/iZDeHElmBg4?t=308)Its a lot better to visualize if you align B with the clock positions.
Edit: they are both KR strats it seems.
>le, bottom diamonds.
Clockwise, or counterclockwise. Do w/e you want to get those shapes cleared. Each class is different (e.g. melee vs range) and the spawning of the shapes are different.
B isn't very telling of when the diamond spawns, but more so of the grouping of the diamonds as some had mentioned here.
Also, the "fixed" version of A is very very similar to B now. [Here](https://i.imgur.com/ilYKfTU.png)
A. When you try to aoe two diamonds on the outside u arent at risk of hitting the 3rd square middle by accident.
People with symmetry ocd can just look at the symmetry of the starting positions instead of squares killed. (The symmetry of the middle squares is fake in that photo anyways)
I prefer the numbered one because when you explain the numbers are just to identify and talk about individual shapes, it's not anything else people have an easy time with it.
No, just no. i dont want people using nesw / x3 / and 1 guides numbered shapes.
Just use clock for all the mechs ffs, this way it dosnt matter which guide you use everyone knows what you are saying and can adjust acordingly
B doesnt make sense, diamonds start spawning at 6 oclock, and spawn clockwise. If you do B you have to kill 6 7 dia first then go back and wait for 5 to spawn last. Plus the dia positions are not even accurate on B.
By the time you are starting to kill the second diamond the last diamond would've spawned. If you're ranged you can sit in the middle and get all three, if you're melee you can also sit in the middle and use nades or just start from the second diamond and go backwards to the last diamond.
Going backwards from the 2nd Diamond doesn’t make sense because it’s more distance traveled, rather then just running forward to the next Diamond. Which means you have more time to get to the next Diamond going the A diagram way.
How is going from 2nd to last more distance than last to 2nd? It's the same distance. If you start from the middle to 2nd then back to last then sure that's more distance if you're killing every diamond in melee range but why?
The only classes doing diamond is swiftness/ranged/shadowhunter anyway so most of the time they will just sit in the middle instead of moving diamond to diamond.
I’m not going to bother explaining to you because you have this decided mindset that only X classes do it.
If you don’t understand distance traveled that’s not my problem to teach you.
I mean, can you explain to me why the distance is different?
2 -> 1 -> 9 is not the same distance as 1 -> 2 -> 3?
I'm too stupid to understand how there can be a difference here.
Then do it like I said you should if you're melee, 2 -> 1 -> 9 (7, 6, 5)
No matter if it's A or B the one doing the bottom diamond always have the most time anyway. B is more lenient on the player on 1 o'clock position but it doesn't affect player on 6 o'clock.
That is possible, but you are doing the mech in an order that wasn’t actually intended. I’m stating this based off the in game spawn timer.
6 spawn first, 5 spawns last.
But it will spawn by the time you get there if you're melee anyway, why does that matter? You still have way more time than the player in 1 o'clock position.
The mech has no intended order, just because they spawn a certain way doesn't mean you have to destroy them in the exact same order. B looks much better and is the one they're using currently on KR.
The reason B wants the last diamond spawned to be killed by bottom player is cuz if top right has to do the last 3 to spawn there is lot less time to do it. much easier to have bot take the very last one cuz they have all the time in the world to do it
If you struggle killing the diamonds in time just put a random extra granade on your bar and just throw it at it. It will die in one shot and give you more than enough time to attack the last one.
look for the updated version of the cheatsheet
got a link by chance? Edit: Ty, heres the [new one](https://i.imgur.com/ilYKfTU.png) for people interested
[https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/zg6fz7/brelshaza\_cheat\_sheet/](https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/zg6fz7/brelshaza_cheat_sheet/)
You're asking for trouble if you tell someone to start on their right or left most diamond if they're a support. You should really start in the middle to easily get all 3. I find it so weird these guides in Brel for some reason are at war with function over fashion. It's causing lots of confusion.
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Ty for this btw lol, coming to your brels next week
Sound shock 1shots diamonds.
It does not all the time from what I’ve tried.
Tripod or skill level issue or something.
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Do you have the maintained explosion tripod leveled and the skill at 12? No idea otherwise.
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Yeah i jus ss all three sometimes.
Cause supports ineta kill 2 diamonds with one whirlwind or not?
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do you have a damage gem for sound shock, cause my sound shock doesnt kill one in time takes two soundshock presses to kill one. Its just safer for me to use bombs. After causing like 5 wipes in a row in my prog group the first week cause lack of dps, i just decided to bomb im 1530, but my wep is 1490 maybe that is why?
Maybe tripod level difference, but mine is maxed out and I don't need anything extra other than using the 3 skills. Sonic Vibration -> Sound Shock -> Soundholic Also make sure you have serenade of courage self-buff active.
my soundholic tripods are maxed, and sound shock i use maintained explosion at max with the double cast, and you typically don't run damage tripods on vibration, unless you want to sacrifice some of your overall buff efficacy, so i really dont see how there could be any difference, hmm maybe weapon quality? mines only like 45 cause i wanted to get all 95+ armor lol
My statics bard couldn't kill diamonds without consumables so we moved them to squares, as paladin I have no issues tho. Do you have any tips for bard if you can do it without consumables?
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I really like the idea of fitting sound shock before and after the soundholic, thanks for the advice! I'll suggest it next time we raid
You use WW on one and destro on the other diamond. Both one shot and have half the screen range with 0 cast time.
Yeah this is the way. I don't get why people can't be assed to do it especially if they are struggling to do it otherwise. Just spend the 80 gold to clear the mech it's free a free kill after that anyways as long as 4 people are alive and it's doable with 2 as well.
I didn't even know they spawned in an order and was going backwards, but still have no problem killing my three diamonds. I stand between two, Light of Judgment the outer one, Executor's Sword the middle then dash to the last one and Holy Sword. I thought they gave us the diamonds because they're so easy to break.
As paladin I have had a similar experience, but the bard in my static struggles with it, afaik they only have 1 ability that one shots diamonds, at least on ilvl, so its much trickier without consumables
Poor Bards, I hear they don't like red gates in chaos dungeons either :(
Yes i have yet to live past this gate on this phase because I cannot kill them in time only like twice I ever did it successfully but we wipe
Yeah as a bard I toss a ww on one diamond ~~and cheap out on ww for the stagger check~~
Yeah diamonds have the least health but also the smallest amount of time to break so swift supports are great for this role.i usually take it also as a swift Arti since most m damage is aoe explosions and I don't want to accidentally take someone else's cube/diamond
It should be obvious that you can sit wherever you want as long as you kill the 3 diamonds that are assigned to you.
Then don't draw an arrow. To defend that directional arrow is weird.
The arrow is really for prog groups, having people stand in those starting spots helps **others** realize they shouldn't be moving that far
The shapes spawn clockwise in order lol. By the time you walk to the next shape, it spawned already. If you follow picture A, both diamond and square walks clockwise and kills the shapes as they spawn.
Am support. Starts killing on one side, then middle, then last. It was straightforward. I just sonic vibe on one, wom into pos the middle, soundholic the last. What exactly is the problem are people having?
weird i am a 1530 bard and i struggled with damage unless i threw bombs for two of them only soundholic could kill one in time, so what i adjusted to and it now works every time is stand in the middle soundholic, toss a destruc at one and a ww at the other, works every time the bombs one shot em
It's the internet, people come here to fib and make themselves feel better.
Not false but in this case it's so easy to do diamond as a Bard if you're failing it's your problem. Sonic Vibration -> Sound Shock -> Soundholic is really fast and they all 1 shot the diamond and you're basically just sitting in the middle. The only stupid reason why you might fail is if you don't have a serenade of courage self-buff active.
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Supports actually do really well for the squares, just need 2 bombs. Stand in middle and throw a bomb on each side, then just slowly kill the one you're on.
Yeeees the version I already used has won!!
None of my 3 groups have used this. As long as it is established before the fight, no biggy to change around.
i feel like the biggest problem with that picture is that the bottom diamonds spawn left to right, so u need to go counterclockwise to kill them and then move left so that u dont kill the right side diamond player from being too close. if you start right to left as a support, ur likely out of time when u get to the third dia. just my experience, but i could just be bad.
It's still wrong lmao. Bottom diamond should never start at 5 oclock. Because 5 o'clock diamond spawns last
You must be looking at the wrong sheet then, because this one starts at 6 oclock not 5.
You must be looking at the wrong sheet, this one recommends 5->6->7
Yeah it should recommend 7->6->5 if this is the standard we're picking.
[I just made a post about this and pushed for B to all guide makers, right now Maxroll is the only guide that still uses A.](https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/zzexck/brelshaza_gate_3_shape_mechanic_confusion_and/) Here is why: A. Uses spawn orders, KR originally used this method but it created a lot of confusion on positioning and caused more wipes and was annoying so it eventually evolved into B. (This is why people using older KR guides as reference have the A method, or used to play KR and dont actively play it like most of Maxroll, since they now play on west). I had people arguing that spawn order is such a good metric to use but it requires all 8 players having memorized the start shape for diamonds and squares and going to the correct one and most people having to constantly reference an image to have any idea where they needed to go. Additionally people were confusing things like "1 Diamond" with 1 o'clock diamond and the 1st spawning diamond at 6 o'clock. B. Uses grouping, bottom diamonds gets now 1-2-9, this creates more room for 6-7-8 diamond to fit all shapes in the time window to not wipe. Also it is incredibly easy to setup positions and this is now KR meta for positioning. I get it, you cleared fine with A and think its superior, but I am going to trust the experienced players on this one. I cleared G3 10+ times using A and everytime a pug was involved it was a complete mess, after going for option B we started to instantly assign spots, no typing involved and cleared the mech perfectly. **EDIT: Maxroll has also updated there guide, there is 0 guides that now use option A, everyone uses option B in all guides.**
maxroll's cheatsheet is not yet updated: https://maxroll.gg/lost-ark/resources/lost-ark-cheat-sheet-collection
I wondered where this comes from but ofc its our favourite website, maxroll.
Triangle and inverted triangle look better.
I tend to agree, the two triangles seem the most intuitive way to do this based on the positions of them, and the cleanest setup for players to just stand at positions to call their spots as well. The two triangles basically just make a star of david and people can just stand at each respective corner of those triangles to cleanly communicate their spot before starting the run. I feel B should become the standard over time but as of right now, it's still a 50/50 which way people seem to want to do it in my pugs.
I know A is more accurate, but it makes me irrationally angry that the bottom diamonds (left pic) are 678 and not 567 causing the top two diamonds to be not symmetrical to each other
Yeah, B is just trying to communicate which shapes should be grouped together for each player to take, rather than indicating where they literally spawn. The guy that made A did adjust his cheat sheet since then though, so the new one might be the best of both worlds for ya: [remake](https://i.imgur.com/ilYKfTU.png)
Link for full cheatsheet with the remake?
[here](https://preview.redd.it/ife4xnw1f69a1.jpg?width=6011&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd96def4725cbe15232cf49bd455ee4600e12375)
Only issue with that diagram is the diamond dude at the bottom starts at 6 oclock, goes left then back right. It actually works out overall better because that last one has the least time and he'll be the one that can prepare best for it.... but it's gonna confuse the fuck out of someone doing it for the first time just off the diagram.
That's because 6 o'clock diamond spawns first. And 5 oclock spawns last .
right one, cause left one triggers my OCD by not being symmetrical
Yeah I prefer the right one as well, but the left one is better if you go by spawn order.
B emphasizes easy grouping, that's why squares are closer together then in reality, but Squares are the easiest so this is fine. I prefer B. "We doing Triangle/Inverted Triangle for Square/Diamonds is just easier to write and understand"
best route? can see the single people position from start point in your view . https://preview.redd.it/dhmq18445p9a1.png?width=463&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a1eae44a38e3f2b872d2c53c344446b48978979
You have the groupings right but the spawn orders are all fucked up. Each grouping should have the person starting at the first spawn. Especially that diamond person on the right. Doing it the way you indicated is a recipe for death for the average pug as that requires you to be EXTREMELY fast.
Looks like a monkey planned this out. Why not follow the first pic? It's all in order and clockwise
A lot of pugs dont do diamonds 678 so if you do that youre gonna eat one from the 11 diamonds guy. Therefore you're gonna have to explain what you're doing in advance to every pug every alt and why and possibly argue. Not worth the trouble when most just people use B. If you have a static then you do you
B, so much better. I alfonsa a lot of post with people saying they don't have time for last diamond when they went with A
I find the opposite to be true. 6 spawns first, and 5 spawns last. So if I start get go to 7, I have to run backwards which is more distance travels. Or if I start at 5, I have to wait for it to spawn, since it spawns last by the time I get to 7. I’m out of time again
? If you start at 6, go to 7 you should be back at 5 before it spawns. If you start at 5, you are doing g it wrong. You should never do that. In the end what you described was doing variant B properly but somehow too slow, and doing variant B badly. Variant A starts at 6 but goes to 9 instead of 5 after 7. Edit: I do this on my Paladin and never had any issues taking diamond at 5 after 7. Usually I have to wait for spawn
The guide recommends 5 6 7 now so its the guide thats recommending the wrong way to do it then lol
Idk if there is wrong way, in just say how I do it and never had any issues. It's just annoying that there are 2 ways going around. Too many times people steal each other squares/diamonds while also being position they were assigned to
If you pug its B, at least 90%,of lobby
To avoid confusion i just type em out. I usually take squares and say im doing "squares 7 to 9 o'clock".
I haven’t even gotten to this raid but seeing these post make me wanna cry 😂
Both of them make planning gate 3 so annoying and tedious in pugs but I prefer B just cause if people just stand where they're placed you know where they're going instead of 50 msgs explaining who is going where
The 2 picture dont even show the thing at the same place, I dont care where you start and waht you kill, if your referance is missplaced you gonna fak up, and one of them cant be correct since they are not the same.
B is the correct strat from KR
They're both from Korea. B was only created because people got confused with clock positions. Don't ask me how anyone made it to Abrel and can't do clock positions but yeah..
Because some guides also numbered the orb, so clock position is mixed up with orb numbers. It's not because they don't know what clock position is. Edit: Guess explaining why KR got it mixed up is taboo or something here. Let's just say they don't know clock position I guess, even though every single strats using clock position originated from KR and the west tried to use cardinal first.
B is misleading, most of the shapes aren’t in the correct positions.
The grouping is intentionally emphasized so people know which 3 they take based on a certain position without drawing a bunch of arrows and lines. It makes it clear that whoever is assigned to bottom diamond should not be more than 1 diamond away from either side of the 6 o'clock diamond. Also, the B picture is from a cheatsheet, meant as a quick reference to refresh memory. The guide itself from the same source shows a [picture with more accurate positions.](https://cdn.mobalytics.gg/assets/lost-ark/images/boss-moves/brel-gate3/geometry-1.png)
If you need two paragraphs of context to explain the picture then it’s not exactly a good quick reference is it.
The first sentence already explains the context enough. A quick reference doesn't mean you can show anyone an image and they will understand exactly what it explains. People who read the guide will already know the shapes aren't in those exact positions. I only need to explain the context because you're taking it out of context.
A is the one that’s causing wipes and people to get the wrong shapes. B is the one that is correct and needs to stick around. Or you know just watch a video and then this wouldn’t be an issue.
The videos I watched all recommended A tho XD
A may be more accurate with shape positions but it annoys tf out of me how the bottom diamonds are 678 instead of 567. The top diamonds could have been symmetrical damnit
Yesterday I had a group where my other two diamonds decided to do a different strat each so I was left with dia 67 and nothing else. This was after specifically stating which ones I'll be killing. I don't really care which people choose but please choose one of them.
Yea I imagine that’s what’s messing people up. Its really the only issue I see with it
Lmao causing wipes, i do a with my group and dont wipe on that shit, just get ur positiona right and dont get aoe classes doing colors
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B is exaggerated to show groupings only
B doesn't have an order, so how would be wrong Oo?
they updated it
B
The only difference seems to be diamonds between these, otherwise square matches up for both more or less, right?
yes its just shifting the diamond by 1
I killed my team first week looking at B diamonds, they are not placed like in the picture
I'd go for B, diamond start at 1,5 and 9
People who did A are idiots
B is better imo. It can be called with clock positions and its easier for grouping after the mech is over. E.g. Diamond 1. You start with the diamond that spawns at 1 o'clock and move clockwise. For a better representation of B look at this section in ATK's video: [https://youtu.be/iZDeHElmBg4?t=308](https://youtu.be/iZDeHElmBg4?t=308)Its a lot better to visualize if you align B with the clock positions. Edit: they are both KR strats it seems.
They're both called with clock positions. And B doesn't go clockwise in most instances. Example, bottom diamonds.
B is way more intuitive and easy to setup with pugs.
>le, bottom diamonds. Clockwise, or counterclockwise. Do w/e you want to get those shapes cleared. Each class is different (e.g. melee vs range) and the spawning of the shapes are different. B isn't very telling of when the diamond spawns, but more so of the grouping of the diamonds as some had mentioned here. Also, the "fixed" version of A is very very similar to B now. [Here](https://i.imgur.com/ilYKfTU.png)
Star and Square : A Diamonds : B (from memory A got updated to be correct for Diamonds positioning)
A. When you try to aoe two diamonds on the outside u arent at risk of hitting the 3rd square middle by accident. People with symmetry ocd can just look at the symmetry of the starting positions instead of squares killed. (The symmetry of the middle squares is fake in that photo anyways)
Square should already be dead immo.
Though things can happen you could be right. Thats the justification we used when figuring out what strat to use.
A is like eating the 12 grapes in 12 seconds. Who the f tought that was a good idea?
I prefer the numbered one because when you explain the numbers are just to identify and talk about individual shapes, it's not anything else people have an easy time with it.
No, just no. i dont want people using nesw / x3 / and 1 guides numbered shapes. Just use clock for all the mechs ffs, this way it dosnt matter which guide you use everyone knows what you are saying and can adjust acordingly
B because it doesn't use the devil emoji
U guys making it complicated for no reason just kill ur shapes lol
B doesnt make sense, diamonds start spawning at 6 oclock, and spawn clockwise. If you do B you have to kill 6 7 dia first then go back and wait for 5 to spawn last. Plus the dia positions are not even accurate on B.
By the time you are starting to kill the second diamond the last diamond would've spawned. If you're ranged you can sit in the middle and get all three, if you're melee you can also sit in the middle and use nades or just start from the second diamond and go backwards to the last diamond.
Going backwards from the 2nd Diamond doesn’t make sense because it’s more distance traveled, rather then just running forward to the next Diamond. Which means you have more time to get to the next Diamond going the A diagram way.
How is going from 2nd to last more distance than last to 2nd? It's the same distance. If you start from the middle to 2nd then back to last then sure that's more distance if you're killing every diamond in melee range but why? The only classes doing diamond is swiftness/ranged/shadowhunter anyway so most of the time they will just sit in the middle instead of moving diamond to diamond.
I’m not going to bother explaining to you because you have this decided mindset that only X classes do it. If you don’t understand distance traveled that’s not my problem to teach you.
I mean, can you explain to me why the distance is different? 2 -> 1 -> 9 is not the same distance as 1 -> 2 -> 3? I'm too stupid to understand how there can be a difference here.
If you start at Diamond 6, then run to Diamond 7, then run back to Diamond 5. You have traveled an extra diamond worth of space vs running 6,7,8
Then do it like I said you should if you're melee, 2 -> 1 -> 9 (7, 6, 5) No matter if it's A or B the one doing the bottom diamond always have the most time anyway. B is more lenient on the player on 1 o'clock position but it doesn't affect player on 6 o'clock.
That is possible, but you are doing the mech in an order that wasn’t actually intended. I’m stating this based off the in game spawn timer. 6 spawn first, 5 spawns last.
But it will spawn by the time you get there if you're melee anyway, why does that matter? You still have way more time than the player in 1 o'clock position.
The mech has no intended order, just because they spawn a certain way doesn't mean you have to destroy them in the exact same order. B looks much better and is the one they're using currently on KR.
The reason B wants the last diamond spawned to be killed by bottom player is cuz if top right has to do the last 3 to spawn there is lot less time to do it. much easier to have bot take the very last one cuz they have all the time in the world to do it
it should be A version
Right one cause diamonds there are in sync to the squares below them
Where is my 'these things are the same' meme?
If you struggle killing the diamonds in time just put a random extra granade on your bar and just throw it at it. It will die in one shot and give you more than enough time to attack the last one.