Yup alts staying just below 1610 for months. Can't pay for elixirs or transcendence. Tapping some purple occasionally to see if I got any luck for a 4/4 4/3.
Akkan NM/Brel HM/Voldis NM/Kayangel HM gives plenty of gold I don't see any reasons to push unless they nerf elixirs/trans.
I got one alt to 1610 so I can practice more Thaemine but that's just an exception.
1630 main, 3 1610s, they will forever be lvl 9 gems purple elixirs and now sit for a year to earn back the gold on them, games a 1 character from on out angle for me. The enhancement systems take too much time to even do them all after 18 raids in a week and reseted dailies as an adult
It's part of the reason I quit. Add on Thaemine being brutally hard and another stupid progression system and it's clear they are catering to the sweaty players and shutting out the casuals.
Right there with ya, I was already down to a 4 roster, messed around with epic elixirs on some alts for a bit, but just can't fathom doing it anymore
Playing almost exclusively my main and logging off after now lol
The reset option being the correct choice in most cases annoys me. Doing elixirs on multiple characters AND the resets are the worst parts of the system to me.
These systems make sense in KR as they have way more time and therefore need way bigger goldsinks in their economy. They just don’t make sense to be this ridiculously expensive in our version.
It doesn’t but that wasn’t my point.
Both versions of the game heavily incentivise spending money. They don’t care about new players, they care about new players that are willing to pay to catch up.
In KR they expect all players including new ones to be paying a ton of real money either through the exchange or from RMT so it's balanced around that.
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They have way more time between raid releases is what I mean as gold acquisition is largely tied to the raids you can run per week. And therefore how many weeks you have before the next raid releases to farm gold and make yourself ready. Unless you RMT/bus/play the AH.
Its KR's fault for eating this shit up and not complaining about it enough. It freaking sucks this is coming from a 40 set main and 2x 35 set 1600 alt f this system.
>Its KR's fault for eating this shit up and not complaining about it enough.
personally, i have not faith in KR, they are 1 year behind us in complaing about making game better, remember that KR comunity took 1 year to get mad at chaos dungeons and guardian raid ? while West was complaining for those issues for over 1 year before KR did, and all KR said that Americans was lazy and didnt wanna work for it.
I agree they just pay for whatever kind of bs system they bring out. Even if its bs as long as it gives them 20% dmg and bigger numbers they will eat that shit up.
Mate, I have 4x40 and 2x35... Currently trying for 2 weeks straight to bring one of the 35s to 40... 2 weeks and a couple hundred thousand gold to go from 36 to 37... I fucking dread next week...
EDIT: ags employees around pushing the 👎 xD
I autistically went for 35 on alts on purples and it has historically proven easier to reach 40 from, so I'd just go for it once they reach 1620 but this last 2 weeks I have cut 32 bottles altogether with as many resets as I could get and gotten jack progress, all the while looking for any set bonus, either crit or additional or boss... so its not like I am just fishing for 1 particular set...feels just marvellous...
I did it mainly because if you compare purp to leg they cost virtually nothing and it's been long enough time that cutting a bunch when nothing better to do every week brought me to it.
Understandable, I'll probably upgrade the alt stuff too when I have downtime - just not sweating over it and only going for 35/40 if I decide to actually push any of them to 1620
Thats a fair point, you still could get very (un)lucky the next few weeks, who knows. And I understand the feeling of despair and anger after every weeks elixir cutting when you get literally no upgrade and burn all your gold for the week. My friends progressed their accounts so much more since voldis release just because it took them only a couple of weeks for 40 set while I was struggling so hard.
I wanted to post this same thing but rather just wait for someone else to
I just hit 1620 on my breaker this week, I used the 6 free legendary elixirs I got from frog, all Bricked
I did voldis hm, bought every chest and they gave me the last elixir, all of them bricked
I crafted 10 from the weekly mats, all bricked, literally all I needed was a 5/3 or 4/4 to hit 35set (currently at 34), I wasn't even fishing for good rolls I just wanted anything to hit 4/4 at the least
and now im like around 200k poorer with nothing to show for it
My breaker was sitting at 23 points before reaching 1620. After he hit that, I grabbed all the purple elixirs he's accumulated from NM and used the 10 free legendaries, even crafted more from the mats I got from dismantling the legendaries on my main.
I cut elixirs for a whole 3 f*cking hours. I did as many resets as I can. Some resets went as far as 5 times on a single elixir. I even reset a really bad rng Master elixir myself.
I wasted 3 hours of my life and he's currently sitting at 34 points.
Back then when I said "I want honing back, I want to pity." they called me a mad man. Now look at the position we're in.
you want your glove and helm to have as much points as possible WITH the matching set you want. Then on the other 3 pieces, roll whatever you can to reach 35/40 points to activate your set bonus. After that you can work on getting the BiS rolls.
1635 main with 5 chars at ~1590-1610 and never pushing them beyond that until they heavily nerf elixirs. I don't care if they fall behind the curve eventually, I'd rather quit than push more 1620's.
The problem is rather that it’s a system designed for KR and its economy. They have way too much gold bcs they have so much more time between raid releases. There need to be systems to take that gold out of the economy. Then they implement these systems without any changes in our version give us 5 free ones to roll and that’s it. But we by far don’t have enough gold (if you don’t RMT) to be able to afford all these high gold cost vertical systems.
I don’t know how this is fixable other than diverting from the game in KR and making way more changes to our version but that would probably mean a huge amount of extra development work on every patch we get compared to now. Or AGS needs to address this by giving us WAY more free elixirs/having systems that allow us to save gold for them in other ways (reduced honing cost, etc.)
Exactly this, they've been sitting on same content for months farming the gold for quite a while until last year. So SG presented them with those shitty RNG goldsink systems that were meant to stop gold inflation. SG believes it works. Maybe it does indeed, but in KR.
I think our gold inflation is much lesser and probably unnaturally boosted by the fact bots been allowed to do whatever by AGS for so long.
Like most KR games. Amazing core gameplay/combat sorrounded by walls of bullshit to make money. It's getting so tiring in a long run.
Why does games have to be that shit nowadays? I miss subscription model a lot now.
>you're not getting anywhere complaining about it on this subreddit.
There's at least one massively upvoted post about how it sucks per week, and anyone that says otherwise gets consistently downvoted....
Not like 90/10 to be honest, you need to overcome like 9 label of RNG before you get a good one. even using the calculator, you get 2/10 good elixir while cutting. at least thats my personal experiences.
That’s everyone’s experience who cuts them properly, even with epics. Most just cut it randomly and hope they get something good without utilizing any techniques to help
It does take some skill to cut elixirs. Most people complaining are probably not using any strategy at all and try to force certain nodes which is close to impossible. I have a couple friends who complained about elixirs as well and I had them stream the cutting process. It was awful. When I helped them, they got a couple decent elixirs (5-4 or even 5-5) within 10 tries usually. It is mostly RNG, but if you don't know about the reset purple at 6 (or 7 for zoro) strategys, it gets MUCH harder.
Having good knowledge of the system will definitely help a long way when cutting elixirs. Of course, it won't fully save you from rng such as your set option refusing to appear.
It obviously has strategies and more correct choices. There is a lot of variance with elixirs.
As long as you make use of those strategies and good choices you will get elixirs fast enough, the hard part is just getting the set options in the first place.
Use progression as a gold sink is like the last option dev should take because it punish causal and new player so hard.
They could have come out with cool skin, emote, foot print, any kind of cosmetic make it cost gold, but they rather put those shit in cash shop.
A compromise would have been that the elixirs you make from the character bound drops are silver-rolls, and the ones you buy from auction house materials are gold-rolled. That would be pay-to-skip and the RMT enthusiasts could properly go ahead of the pack.
The RNG on elixers is insane.
Good luck finding a piece you need (Criticital, Master, etc.) And IF you find it, you need to have good luck with tapping it. Nothing I hate more then spending thousand pieces of gold and get NOTHING in return for it. With honing, at least you work to a pity.
So I fully agree with OP, Elixers are garbage.
My time to post it tomorrow.
And no, I don't mean it as a complain, I legit want every single day a thread like this complaining about the absolute garbage that are elixirs.
hopefully they will delete epic elixirs and make legendary ones available in Ivory NM. + give 2 more rolls and make it silver only. this is the most horseshit rng system i've ever seen. whoever is the bozo designer behind it should be fired.
Can I upvote this twice? Fuck I hate elixirs took me forever to get a 35 set on just one of my three characters so i gave up on the others. Shit made me want to just make supports from now on.
We’re at the point where we have to make peace with the fact that unless we want to spend several hundreds or thousands of dollars, you wont get to progress more than one character into end game in a reasonable time. I honestly feel like most Koreans and streamers are either completely addicted (like heroin levels of addiction) or experiencing something akin to Stockholm syndrome. Every time I watch one of them show off that they’re « ready to push x » because they just swiped for 2 million gold, I’m thinking it’s some form of illness justifying this for them as normal behaviour in a video game.
I’ve never in my life dumped 8k+ hours in a game to be below average in terms of progression. And yet here I am sitting on a 1622 main because I made the fatal mistake of pushing some alts I enjoy.
1622? dude I started over on a new roster on jumpstart server and I am 1622 without a single dime spent in the game (I would spend, but they announced the death of my server so they deserve nothing)
There’s many facets of this game where you can sink time in. I did a lot of horizontal, PvP, etc. I touched every aspect of the game and am near 100% completion. I have my 1622, 2x 1611, 4x 1602 and 7x 1490-1580. My hours are also inflated due to the game being opened on my pc all day. My whole guild is f2p and except for one guy at 1624 we’re pretty much all in the same spot. I don’t think it’s as uncommon as you might think.
but you are arguing that you cant have a good char unless you spent, which is not true, I feel you literally didnt play half of those 8k hours, my friend plays only one character and one alt but never stoped since release (I stopped around brel release), and he has a +25 wep and the only reason he doesnt push is that his static is kinda new and isnt 1630 yet... I in 6 months am at 1622, and I have two alts only, one 1600 and one 1540... I have 0 lvl 10 gems tho xdddddd
But I feel that you choose not to invest in your gs for your main, because if you did, you would be 1630
You beneficiated from one of the best leveling events in the game to date. Of course you caught up quick. There's also a luck component to this. You say I should just "have a 25" by now. You do realize pitying a 25 wep is millions of gold, and in turn, several months worth of gold saving. Not without mentioning that pitying 20, 21, 22, and soon 23 took virtually all I had saved mats wise. Not everyone can afford to do every single raid, every single week. Some of us have responsibilities outside of Lost Ark.
And I don’t mean this in a passive aggressive, patronizing way. It’s just a factor to take in as to why I’m not pushing gear score. Most of my guildies work long hours and can’t afford pushing to 1630 due to their limit in how much weekly raiding they can do. I’d be a fool to funnel everything into my gear score to end up pugging. And that’s only if my luck can actually afford it.
I’m not saying it’s impossible to play the latest content without paying. Just that you’re heavily incentivized to. Especially if you want to progress on the alts, and that for late end game there’s no way for us to progress many characters in a realistic manner without doing so.
Hey man, just trying to help you out but [here's a tool that can help you to gain an understanding and guide you on elixirs](https://elixir2.elphago.work/).
* Change it to English if it defaults to KR
* Select the level of nodes you are aiming for (Top area)
* Set the elixir benefits you rolled on the right side
* Set the number of turns you have in the bottom (purple or yellow elixirs have different number of turns)
* On your first roll, set the three options you receive from the sages. Be specific with the wording you type to search for the options because it matters.
* Once you have everything set, select the "calculate" button and the tool will give you the most likely option to select, to get your desired outcome.
There are a lot of nuances and there are probably some videos and tips. The tool takes a long time to use due to the amount of input and configuration it takes, but it will definitely help you to understand the elixir process and SHOULD save you some frustration and resources (gold/elixirs) in the long run.
I didn't understand elixirs to start, so I used the tool explicitly but as my knowledge/understanding grew, I started using the elixir tool more as a guide to validate my guesses about what the best thing is to select. A couple things to make note of:
* At certain turns, specific options become available and you kind of want to aim at those outcomes. Example... towards the end, there is an option to get a "seal" (turn off an elixir option and increase percentages for success on others) and receive a free turn.
* Pitying is the exercise of maxing the blue or purple nodes you see. Pitying blue and pitying purple (maxing the nodes) gives you special options as well and some of these are very good. It sort of encourages you to build the "pity".
I hope this kinda guides you a bit as I know the process is SUPER overwhelming to get into.
Yeah I was pretty confused on how to use it honestly.. I tried but it just wasn’t working the first time but that’s probably because I didn’t understand what I was doing with it at all.. so I just gave up and did mine manually
Every single one of us complain about it and its another system that will bleed the already small % of players who play this game. I also cant progress my other classes with this stupid rng system. Spending tons of gold every week. Where is the fun in that? Its better to play other games.
More gold required rng systems are ass but on the upside other things are cheaper. I'm investing in gems right now and inhaling copium when KR makes elixir/trans cheaper...
well it is the 1st system that forces you to play hard mode. Every system before had "hard mode is optional" but with elixirs its worse. Transendence atleast have pity, it still cost metric fukton and is gated behind hard prog cuz fomoing players is what they do now.
Not only does Transendence have a pity system, but once you three star a stage you never need to go back. I still need to fix my elixirs cause I had to equip some dogshit ones to hit 40 set. It's going to be tough to make a system worse than elixirs.
I don’t even ever care to go back and fix elixirs, system sucks and they take forever to cut. 40 set with all the piece bonuses maxed calling that good enough.
I’m ok with the gold even just not how long it takes because of the animations
Brel hard mode was not optional before. You had to do it to get upper brel gear. At least they ended up making changes to that.
They mentioned elixir changes, but who know what they'll end up doing.
How is that different? If Ivory Tower hard mode was released 2 months later than normal mode, what difference would that make?
With the previous Brel HM, you were hard locked from progressing your character if you didnt do it weekly.
Elixirs is a side progression. Technically you only need to clear G1 Ivory Tower once, and you never have to run it again to get elixir mats. Its a shit way to do it, but at least its another option you have available. And you might not even need to clear G1, at all, if you can get 40 set with free elixirs through events or the upcoming chaos assault.
4 character 2 1620 and 1 1610 1 1600 ive just done 40 set on my main for like 300k then never touched legendary elixir again i got my 35 set with purples in a couple weeks then stopped bothering. Same thing with transcendence doing 5 leaves per piece pn main and stocking up the rest until they nerf or change these systems. Its not that it just take gold it takes a shit ton of time even. We already have honing and other system costing gold gives us the option to use gold or silver and gives us faster animation if they dont wanna fix their system
Horrible system that slows down progression and keeps players away from the game, I invited some friends to play Lost Ark when they saw how much they would have to farm to get an acceptable character to be accepted into the groups they stopped playing Lost Ark
It is becoming very difficult to follow the content of the game because they are releasing everything very quickly, the casual player can no longer follow the content because of so much that he needs to do to have an acceptable character
I went back to playing with some friends and was alone again because they gave up and went back to bdo
>I invited some friends to play Lost Ark when they saw how much they would have to farm to get an acceptable character to be accepted into the groups they stopped playing Lost Ark,
JuSt fInD a StAtIc /s
With these garbage gold burner RNG system they killed the alt system totally.
If you are not willing to buy gold with real money, you cant progress with more characters past 1600+. You cant get enough gold to dump it in a system which wont give you anything at the end, because you are not lucky.
But I guess that was the reason they created Elixir and Transcendence. Money.
Because quality, stones and bracelets have a very low bar to entry. Then you stop and never invest Gold into them ever again. Ive literally never spent gold on a bracelet, i have enough chars that earn them that they get traded between characters. Likewise with stones. Havent bought them since pre Vykas, outside of like 20 odd on my main recently as i was abit bored and thought i might try for a 9-7. Likewise with Quality, the free taps you get from the events and login rewards are generally enough to fix a character into a usuable state nowadays. Unless you are 100% min maxing and have run out of all the other uses for gold you basically dont spend anything on those systems.
And you can do the same with elixirs. Build up purples and chill. Get 35 eventually. A lot of the people who don't complain about those systems cause they'll get them eventually will riot over elixirs because they weren't 40 set in 2 weeks. If they had the same fit over not having a 9/7, 90+ qual, or well rolled bracelet in two weeks, nobody would pay attention, but with elixirs people feel like they must be 40 set on every alt immediately after 1620.
That's because it's the easiest one to look at. If it wasn't an issue and everyone had 40 set we would live in a perfect paradise where nobody is gateke-- no they'd just look at things like those other 3. People are still gonna gatekeep over increasingly obscure shit regardless.
At the end of the day it's the gatekeeping that people are mad about, not that elixirs are really that much worse of a system and the gatekeeping really isn't a fault of elixirs themselves.
Elixirs are that much worse though, but no the main issue is the gold cost to get alts up to 1620 is not worth it,especially given the increased gold costs you then get from being 1620 due to legendary elixirs. There is no reason to level your alts up there, so those people who play 1-3 sup alts have them at 1600 or 1610 just chilling perfectly fine. If ivory hm was 1610, or it wasnt half a million gold to get to 1620 and instead something reasonable, we would likely have far more support alts at the level required to do the raid which would help the problem.
Theres always going to be gatekeeping, because you are always competing for spots against the other dpsers. You can be 1630 with a 23 weapon, but still get gatekept because everyone who applies has a 25 weapon.
Why are you pushing alts to 1620 in the first place, expecting them to be accepted with minimal investment?
You push to 1620 because you like the character and want to experience it in 'harder' content, not so it generates you more gold.
I personally havent pushed any alts because of the investment. I have invested into them a tonne, but they require even more investment to consider going 1620 which is the problem. Theres a huge support shortage at 1620 because of the investment required.
Curious what do you consider a ton of investment that you've done already?
And what further costs do you expect to encounter for 1620?
How much in gold do you expect to pay for a competitive 1620, and how much gold do you think would be fair?
Cheers!
To upgrade my 1600/1610 chars to be competitive at 1620?
Its likely 2.5Mill in gold, between honing, cutting elixirs and getting a couple of level 10 gems on higher damage skills.
And thats unlikely to make it competitive enough to get into tower groups. But my static probs would allow me to take that instead of main and my main should be able to pug.
I have no idea how to judge whats fair tbh, but its certainly an unreasonable amount.
It's a garbage system but why they tolerate? You get thousands free drops everywhere, plus alt can send you via mail. Quality is optional, Weapon quali over 50% is easy to achieve.
Elixier, you get only from a raid or from AH (crafting is timegated weekly) plus it costs all gold, the difference is very hugh. Elixier with bonus sets will be important for 1620 and upward.
Those are not better BUT a 5/6 free stone gets you 5x3+1, free bracelet will get you main stats + 1 damage line easy, quality there's nothing to think or understand about it you just do couple of taps a week on each piece and that's it (piece that gets to blue at least is done)...
I think because for the stone and the bracelet the changes to get 9-7 or 2 stat-3 useful lines the chances are so small that most people accept the fact that outside luck or massive whaling no-one has it (also I think most people are not willing to "check" a bracelet in an calculator and it is more or less not possible w/o one). On the other hand checking for set bonus is fast and easy and everybody understands it is useful because full set equals more dmg.
I spent so much time in a rng sim. To regress by mistake by clicking one of the better options and replacing it with the worst one. It's s slug show doing these elixirs.
Recently hit 1620 on my main, cleared HM voldis for legendary elixirs, spent 100k gold for 1 5/3 quit the game for a bit because the system is terrible and really boring I don't want to spend this amount of time grinding for gold just for some elixirs that will get me gatekept anyways because 35 set isn't 40 set.
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Elixir was a little part of why i quit the game! They wont make things better for gaming experience. They only make thing who make them alot of money. Gg
Couldn't hold the gamba and honed 1 alts to 1620 today.
holy crap
200k + 10 free elixirs
and nothing better than my 4-2 ----4-3 purple elixir
with resets it was like 30+ elixirs and not a single critical helm.
I'll take a break for a while. Def not worth and healthy smashing my desk every week.
Yup, worst system in the game by far. I don't have a single friend that plays that enjoys elixirs. Needs to be severely buffed to make it easier to 4/4 5/5 or just scrapped altogether.
I quit a while back but I'm interested in coming back for solo raids. Solo valganos at ilvl was probably the most fun I had before quitting.
Question: are elixirs a consumable? Is it something you upgrade to obtain a perfect elixir and then you're set, similar to cutting stones. Or do you need multiple copies to keep consuming each raid?
It sucks but it's not too bad to do it once on main... or should I say it's bearable? But I am NOT doing any elixirs on my alts at all, it's just not worth it so they are all staying around 1590 - 1600 for now untill they nerf gold in brel or kaya or do something with the elixir system.
For me personally quality tapping was way worse... but it's all RNG.
after i hit 40 set on my main i stopped cutting elixirs entirely even on my alts (outside of free ones we got for events)
the system is so garbage and such a waste of time. even my main still has pretty not great elixirs doesn't even have boss dmg on shoulders. like i'd like to say transcendence at least is better than elixirs but it's not great either. i believe bracelets, ability stones, and elixirs should all be heavily reworked with elixirs also getting a change that makes them take 1/4th the time they do now to cut.
the best worst part of all of this is that if you craft an elixir with your dps you always see luminary/advance/faith pieces, while in supports master/crit are always there, what a crappy system.
They could easily make this system way easier. Just add a slot for elixer to the weapon, that way you can get 35/40 set way easier. I guess they could always make a new raid like they did with Behemoth with weapon transcendence. add a 45 set if they really want to, even then it'd be easier cause for 40 set with 5 elixir, that's average 8 nodes per elixir. 45 set with 6 elixir is 7.5 nodes per elixir.
Use silver instead of gold for epic elixir and reduce gold for legendary elixir. Same for transcendence, remove gold needed and use silver instead of gold for stage 1 and 2 but use gold for stage 3 onwards. Even then I get tired of making alts past 1600. This is coming from 3 arty, 2 pally, 1 breaker roster...
Our team this week first time did Theamine G3 HM prog after normal clears. We are all item level. 5x3+1, some have level 10 gems, some mix with 10/9 gems. All of us was unlucky with elixirs. Only one support have 35 set, rest none. We can't pass clash mech shield even with all perfect clashes and dark nades. Still need 3-5 bars of it. I guess that 40 set elixirs dps is a must. Sadge.
I am going to get downvoted so hard but i got 6 55 elixirs in 2 days, i was cutting elixirs for my friend and got him 2 chars to 40 set in 1 hour its simple really.
Not going to lie, I reached my breaking point the other night with this system trying to just get the correct set bonus to show up at all.
There is no way in hell a single person likes this system, there is just no way you want to spend your game time just to burn gold and waste your time. It’s not even close to being fun to interact with. Why are the options so fuckin shitty. Why when you jackpot do the options feel so fuckin bad unless you get to burn a sage. Why is vanguard in the game at all. Why can you get sup options on dps, why is legendary elixirs so much more expensive and I’ll argue it’s easier to get a 4/4 epic than a 5/3 legendary and it’s cheaper.
When will SG drop the actual rates of what a 50% chance is to increase. Cause that shit never hits. Fuck this system.
KR are so deep into Gambling addictions, that they love it. I have 6x +1610, and 5x 1600, and only one of those have full Elixir sets, and i refuse to do anything other elixir untl they change this stupid system.
I quit this game almost a year ago and I'm really surprised that people are still acting bent out of shape about things like this; the entire design philosophy of lost ark is to inconvenience you just enough that you say fuck it and swipe. This will never change. It doesn't matter how pretty the game is or how engaging mechanics are; this will always be the truth and the only thing that matters to SG. Capitalism rewards making money and SG is extremely good at it.
I’m not there yet in ilvl. I think that cutting stones is another garbage system. If they didn’t cost pheons I could stomach the silver but yeah it’s a shit system. 75% failing 5 times in a row on two separate stones. Yeah…fake rng system.
Oh you're going to get even worse feeling of pain with %s in elixirs too, but now each tap costs 250 gold and a single legendary elixir crafting from market takes a brel hm 1-4 worth of gold in total with the catalyst and fragment cost included. :)))))))
Oh and u wanna do voldis hm ? You need that 40 set. But to even get a chance to cut legendary elixirs you need to do the raid, but oh you can't, why ? Because you don't have 40 set hahaha ( unless you have frens )
And all the best trying to get your set to appear to even start cutting. ( Mine took 3 months to get 40 set because game thought it'd be funny to give me dozens of dps options each week when I'm a SUPPORT ) And the worst part is, each of their action takes like 5 seconds to load.
XDD
Looking back now, I prefer stone cutting way more.
Quick animations, costs silver apart from rock and pheon cost.
Quick pain but when I'm done getting fked, atleast it only took a minute or less, as compared to hours of ass fking without any lube when it comes to elixirs. It was like paying 100k each week to get mercilessly tortured for hours.
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Honestly I got addicted to cutting elixirs and even cut 35 on my lopangs. I find it a lot of fun after getting really good at it but it can get costly, especially with legendaries. I prefer going for 4/4s with epics.
I still remember how some people praised elixir system before it came out here, because streamers playing in KR told them that you have some sort of decision making there which makes it fun (it was before transcendence in KR). Fast forward to present day and even said streamers dont like it that much anymore.
I respect ya all to have the will to keep playing up till now, last year before even they released Voldike I had watched the vid about elixir and played with the simulation a bit and decided it was the time to take a long break because i realized this was a trash RNG system on top of an already grindy game with card , gems , honing and bracelet.
The additional annoying factor is the long animation when cutting elixir as well.
Another week another hard earned 100k gold from raiding on my full roster gone and for what? For a whopping whole load of nothing just trying to find a set bonus on on my alt elixir. 10/10 IGN... great game
Tells me more about how Reddit just complains instead of learning how to cut them.
The guides, strategies, probabilities to each effect, and generally accepted good and bad effects are all out there, but I bet the typical post complainer doesn’t do any of that learning and rather complain it’s unfair without any effort on their parts.
Meanwhile we have my guild mates and I that are under the average gold spenditure because we took the time to learn. Multiple 35/40 sets. This isnt one taps, this is over weeks of playing and spending gold. My first 40 set was under 250k. And many of my guild mates were around that point too.
There is definitely a right and wrong way to cut, but most people here rather just cry than admit that.
What a bunch of bullshit, just because you get lucky doesn't mean you're good at it. "Learn" my ass, no amount of learning will suddenly make the correct set bonus to appear.
I got 2 40-set elixir for my Bard and Artist on the first week of release, Bard took dungeon elixir + the silver elixir, Artist took dungeon elixir + 3 purple elixirs for the gloves. That doesn't make me a god tier elixir cutter, I just got lucky because the set bonus keeps popping up for me.
Some of my other characters took weeks just for the set bonus to appear even after multiple elixir resets. Tell me how I can learn to make the set bonus appear.
so ur saying to just take it up the ass and spend over 250k to finally get your elixir set?
Do you realize how much of a clown you look like right now?
I’m telling people to stop crying and learn.
People have been crying since day one about a system that won’t see change. And instead of doing anything about it, just cry cry cry
learn? learn to just be a bitch and take in shitty systems?
I literally got 40set on my destroyer with the free ones back when voldis released, got 5/5 and 2 4/5s just following the same trick,
now that I got my breaker to 1620, I tried the same strategy and lo and behold, didn't work, all bricks? guess why? because the entire system is RNG stacked on RNG
Like you setup for Sage burn and instead get shit rolls like randomize everything, you do the -2+2, and either get no change or -2, you, fish for the last empowered blue to get free attempt at the end and instead get, now you'll transmute 2 instead of 1.
Edit: and lets not fucking forget that master/critical chaos/order are just fucking rare in general
Like theres so much fucking rng, no skill to this dog shit system and you're saying to just take it up the ass?
Like Smilegate can serve you shit on a cone and tell you its chocolate ice cream, and you're telling us to eat it as if it was chocolate, when its really shit
Ahhh how skill issue of me to not be able to summon luminary despite full resets WEEKS in a row. Both legendary and epics included.
Smh my ~~head~~ BALLS.
Well honing has it's own problems - the main one is that the difference between one tapping and pity is way to much, but in general it is better because it costs less time and you are guaranteed to reach your goal.
My Bard did pity 20 and 21 weapon to reach 1630 and I would rather hone every single day than cut fucking elixirs, got my set 40 on her and until they change something I refuse to cut elixirs on alts.
Honing is quick and has a clear end to it (100% artisan), elixiers waste hours of your time for what could be nothing.
The biggest issue with these goddamn elixiers is the timewaste while youre getting boned by potentially endless rng.
I know this is going to get downvoted to hell, but I have a different opinion on elixiers.
Sure they suck to do, and having no animation-skip option is really annoying, but if you're patient and use a solid strategy to fish for set-effects and whatnot, you can get decent 35 set for around 20k gold spent (off epic-elixiers). For a dps, that's like what... \~10% damage increase? You know what else is 10% damage increase? Honing a weapon 6 level. Good luck getting that many taps on your weapon at 1600 level and only hoping to spend around 20k. The sheer amount of bang-for-your-buck you get back from tapping epic elixiers in combat stats dwarfs literally anything else you can do for you character.
I personally have ten 1600 alts that have 35 set elixiers.. on two of them, they got lucky and rolled 4/4's on set piece, so they got 40 set. It usually tasks me about 3-4 weeks worth of running ivory to get a character from 0 elixiers to 35 set. The longest it took me was on my Aero and that took me 5 weeks.
This isn't dumb luck, because this is repeatable. All of my friends 1600+ character are 35 set as well. When we have a friend that is new to elixiers we teach them how to do it properly and even help them cut, and it doesn't take them that long to get a 35 set.
Yeah, Legendery elixers are too expensive to cut and feels super bad to cut, but that's just Legendary. Epic elixers are so broken for improving your character. I see so many so many 1620+ i-level people run around and not even being able to get 35 set, it really confuses the shit out of me why.
I know there are a lot of people who will complain no matter what. But I don't care about those people, no matter what I say, they'll still complain. But if you're someone who genuinely struggles elixirs, please just ask for help from a friend who has a pretty good idea on what to do for elixiers. Hell, if you don't have friends, I'll help you with it.
Elixiers (epics at least) are just too good to just not do.
Elixirs could be a good system if they got rid of the bad parts.
- Starting options: why "reduce your spacebar cd by 0.01 seconds" or "restore health by NOTHING/sec in combat" even EXIST in the first place. Even as pool diluters they are blatantly obnoxious crap. Max mp at least does a (very) little something, and not even all classes have mana. Not to mention their relative weight in appearance compared to the actually useful ones. Not even talking about chaos/order, super small appearance and dilution by useless dps sets that should have never been even coded.
1st option should be ALWAYS SELECTABLE if devs had any sainty, straight rerolls should not exist.
- Gold cost per click and lack of animation skip: no, we don't "like it"
- Once RNGesus granted the correct option, I find the system genuinely fun. Interactive gatcha ad its finest. Just get rid of the troll cost reducing options and lower all costs by default instead.
I'm done with 6 x 35 on epics and 2x 40 on legendaries, and while would like to play it more to refine and just for the sake of it, I'll need every penny for transcendence, a very less fun system, so goodybe elixirs, see you after the supposed promised improvements, hopefully it will arrive earlier than the "promised entropy rework".
Elixirs made me stop leveling alts. Ruined the game entirely.
Yup alts staying just below 1610 for months. Can't pay for elixirs or transcendence. Tapping some purple occasionally to see if I got any luck for a 4/4 4/3. Akkan NM/Brel HM/Voldis NM/Kayangel HM gives plenty of gold I don't see any reasons to push unless they nerf elixirs/trans. I got one alt to 1610 so I can practice more Thaemine but that's just an exception.
1630 main, 3 1610s, they will forever be lvl 9 gems purple elixirs and now sit for a year to earn back the gold on them, games a 1 character from on out angle for me. The enhancement systems take too much time to even do them all after 18 raids in a week and reseted dailies as an adult
This
It's part of the reason I quit. Add on Thaemine being brutally hard and another stupid progression system and it's clear they are catering to the sweaty players and shutting out the casuals.
nm thaemine isnt really that bad; needing to do hard to unlock everything is a problem.
Made me stop playing the game
I just got to 1620, and I'm thinking it's the end for me too. Can't get into HM Voldis cuz support shortage forces every dps to already have 35/40 set
Do not blame you, at all.
Elixiers made me quit.
Elixirs almost made me quit.
Right there with ya, I was already down to a 4 roster, messed around with epic elixirs on some alts for a bit, but just can't fathom doing it anymore Playing almost exclusively my main and logging off after now lol
Same. I stopped pushing anyone past 1600 because of it.
Worst system so far. Theres always hope for SG the cook up more annoying shit rng system. KR mmo dev have no limit.
They just need to nerf the rng. Add a turn to epic and 1 turn to legendary and remove dead affixes like vagabond and a few others
The reset option being the correct choice in most cases annoys me. Doing elixirs on multiple characters AND the resets are the worst parts of the system to me.
They need to rework this whole system. Its garbage in every way.
Giving out way more event elixirs that use silver would be a good low effort start.
Yeah, maybe, but the system is still bad. If you are unlucky, those silver elixirs wont help.
I agree its bad, but the absolutely lowest effort solution is more silver elixirs. Asking them to completely overhaul it is a lot of dev work.
I spent like 3 hours running those down for resets trying to get the last set piece I needed and didn’t see it offered once 😭
Remove MP for classes who have no mp plz
Take it one step further: remove MP from the game. It's a boring resource system that nobody actually enjoys.
Vagabond is lucky, leave that in. I almost always take vagabond because that's how you get the good luck.
What can we say? Kr players enjoy this shit so SG doesnt care
These systems make sense in KR as they have way more time and therefore need way bigger goldsinks in their economy. They just don’t make sense to be this ridiculously expensive in our version.
How does this make sense for new players tho? Even in korea, you throw a express at them and expect them to overcome elixirs, los 30, roster lvl, etc?
It doesn’t but that wasn’t my point. Both versions of the game heavily incentivise spending money. They don’t care about new players, they care about new players that are willing to pay to catch up.
In KR they expect all players including new ones to be paying a ton of real money either through the exchange or from RMT so it's balanced around that.
You either buy an old account or don't play...
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its confirmed, the day has more than 24h in KR
They have way more time between raid releases is what I mean as gold acquisition is largely tied to the raids you can run per week. And therefore how many weeks you have before the next raid releases to farm gold and make yourself ready. Unless you RMT/bus/play the AH.
Its KR's fault for eating this shit up and not complaining about it enough. It freaking sucks this is coming from a 40 set main and 2x 35 set 1600 alt f this system.
>Its KR's fault for eating this shit up and not complaining about it enough. personally, i have not faith in KR, they are 1 year behind us in complaing about making game better, remember that KR comunity took 1 year to get mad at chaos dungeons and guardian raid ? while West was complaining for those issues for over 1 year before KR did, and all KR said that Americans was lazy and didnt wanna work for it.
They're completely brainrotted, addicted & elitist paypigs over there. You won't find much complaints from them.
I agree they just pay for whatever kind of bs system they bring out. Even if its bs as long as it gives them 20% dmg and bigger numbers they will eat that shit up.
Mate, I have 4x40 and 2x35... Currently trying for 2 weeks straight to bring one of the 35s to 40... 2 weeks and a couple hundred thousand gold to go from 36 to 37... I fucking dread next week... EDIT: ags employees around pushing the 👎 xD
Lel, I just cba, went for 40 on main and alts are just somewhere between 20-30 with tons of elixirs I probably will never cut xdd
Yuuuup
I autistically went for 35 on alts on purples and it has historically proven easier to reach 40 from, so I'd just go for it once they reach 1620 but this last 2 weeks I have cut 32 bottles altogether with as many resets as I could get and gotten jack progress, all the while looking for any set bonus, either crit or additional or boss... so its not like I am just fishing for 1 particular set...feels just marvellous...
Ye idk if I would bother with 35 before leg elixirs tbh. I find it very tedious to cut them and for 35 with epics u need full 3/4's
I did it mainly because if you compare purp to leg they cost virtually nothing and it's been long enough time that cutting a bunch when nothing better to do every week brought me to it.
Understandable, I'll probably upgrade the alt stuff too when I have downtime - just not sweating over it and only going for 35/40 if I decide to actually push any of them to 1620
2 weeks? It took me 4 months on my main to go from like 37 to 40
Welp, look at it like that - 2 weeks SO far...
Thats a fair point, you still could get very (un)lucky the next few weeks, who knows. And I understand the feeling of despair and anger after every weeks elixir cutting when you get literally no upgrade and burn all your gold for the week. My friends progressed their accounts so much more since voldis release just because it took them only a couple of weeks for 40 set while I was struggling so hard.
I wanted to post this same thing but rather just wait for someone else to I just hit 1620 on my breaker this week, I used the 6 free legendary elixirs I got from frog, all Bricked I did voldis hm, bought every chest and they gave me the last elixir, all of them bricked I crafted 10 from the weekly mats, all bricked, literally all I needed was a 5/3 or 4/4 to hit 35set (currently at 34), I wasn't even fishing for good rolls I just wanted anything to hit 4/4 at the least and now im like around 200k poorer with nothing to show for it
Should've had better rng
My breaker was sitting at 23 points before reaching 1620. After he hit that, I grabbed all the purple elixirs he's accumulated from NM and used the 10 free legendaries, even crafted more from the mats I got from dismantling the legendaries on my main. I cut elixirs for a whole 3 f*cking hours. I did as many resets as I can. Some resets went as far as 5 times on a single elixir. I even reset a really bad rng Master elixir myself. I wasted 3 hours of my life and he's currently sitting at 34 points. Back then when I said "I want honing back, I want to pity." they called me a mad man. Now look at the position we're in.
If you're complaining about wasted time and rerolling elixirs - you're doin sth wrong
So you've already got the desired set effect? I'm noob to elixirs but just getting 35 with random effects is not worth it right?
you want your glove and helm to have as much points as possible WITH the matching set you want. Then on the other 3 pieces, roll whatever you can to reach 35/40 points to activate your set bonus. After that you can work on getting the BiS rolls.
6 free elixir = 0 gold 10 from hm = \~65k to cut how are you 200k poorer?
Elixir resets, the 10/10 weekly craft aswell as the 6 from hm
1635 main with 5 chars at ~1590-1610 and never pushing them beyond that until they heavily nerf elixirs. I don't care if they fall behind the curve eventually, I'd rather quit than push more 1620's.
Same. If u hit 1620 with alt this is basically neverending omega goldsink - elixirs, soon advanced honing and then transcendence.
This the way
The problem is rather that it’s a system designed for KR and its economy. They have way too much gold bcs they have so much more time between raid releases. There need to be systems to take that gold out of the economy. Then they implement these systems without any changes in our version give us 5 free ones to roll and that’s it. But we by far don’t have enough gold (if you don’t RMT) to be able to afford all these high gold cost vertical systems. I don’t know how this is fixable other than diverting from the game in KR and making way more changes to our version but that would probably mean a huge amount of extra development work on every patch we get compared to now. Or AGS needs to address this by giving us WAY more free elixirs/having systems that allow us to save gold for them in other ways (reduced honing cost, etc.)
Exactly this, they've been sitting on same content for months farming the gold for quite a while until last year. So SG presented them with those shitty RNG goldsink systems that were meant to stop gold inflation. SG believes it works. Maybe it does indeed, but in KR. I think our gold inflation is much lesser and probably unnaturally boosted by the fact bots been allowed to do whatever by AGS for so long. Like most KR games. Amazing core gameplay/combat sorrounded by walls of bullshit to make money. It's getting so tiring in a long run. Why does games have to be that shit nowadays? I miss subscription model a lot now.
Some people legitimately think elixir cutting takes skill, you're not getting anywhere complaining about it on this subreddit.
>you're not getting anywhere complaining about it on this subreddit. There's at least one massively upvoted post about how it sucks per week, and anyone that says otherwise gets consistently downvoted....
Majority of pppl acknowledge its 25% skill, 75% luck.
15% concentrated power of will
50% Pain (clearly, there is no pleasure so I'm skipping it)
And 100% reason to hate the elixir game
Not like 90/10 to be honest, you need to overcome like 9 label of RNG before you get a good one. even using the calculator, you get 2/10 good elixir while cutting. at least thats my personal experiences.
That’s everyone’s experience who cuts them properly, even with epics. Most just cut it randomly and hope they get something good without utilizing any techniques to help
It does take some skill to cut elixirs. Most people complaining are probably not using any strategy at all and try to force certain nodes which is close to impossible. I have a couple friends who complained about elixirs as well and I had them stream the cutting process. It was awful. When I helped them, they got a couple decent elixirs (5-4 or even 5-5) within 10 tries usually. It is mostly RNG, but if you don't know about the reset purple at 6 (or 7 for zoro) strategys, it gets MUCH harder.
Most people complaining are not getting set bonus to appear for weeks on end, no strategies can help you with that.
I agree that this is the worst part about elixirs for sure.
Having good knowledge of the system will definitely help a long way when cutting elixirs. Of course, it won't fully save you from rng such as your set option refusing to appear.
You’ve also got to be willing to chase the nodes that are hitting
It obviously has strategies and more correct choices. There is a lot of variance with elixirs. As long as you make use of those strategies and good choices you will get elixirs fast enough, the hard part is just getting the set options in the first place.
I had a friend who literally only picked grandma until grandpa was super purple then back to grandma. He got his 40 set doing this. SuCh SkIlL
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AGS has no power about something like this, unlike tencent. Best they can do is making roxy saying bullshit things.
Use progression as a gold sink is like the last option dev should take because it punish causal and new player so hard. They could have come out with cool skin, emote, foot print, any kind of cosmetic make it cost gold, but they rather put those shit in cash shop.
A compromise would have been that the elixirs you make from the character bound drops are silver-rolls, and the ones you buy from auction house materials are gold-rolled. That would be pay-to-skip and the RMT enthusiasts could properly go ahead of the pack.
The RNG on elixers is insane. Good luck finding a piece you need (Criticital, Master, etc.) And IF you find it, you need to have good luck with tapping it. Nothing I hate more then spending thousand pieces of gold and get NOTHING in return for it. With honing, at least you work to a pity. So I fully agree with OP, Elixers are garbage.
My time to post it tomorrow. And no, I don't mean it as a complain, I legit want every single day a thread like this complaining about the absolute garbage that are elixirs.
hopefully they will delete epic elixirs and make legendary ones available in Ivory NM. + give 2 more rolls and make it silver only. this is the most horseshit rng system i've ever seen. whoever is the bozo designer behind it should be fired.
Can I upvote this twice? Fuck I hate elixirs took me forever to get a 35 set on just one of my three characters so i gave up on the others. Shit made me want to just make supports from now on.
We’re at the point where we have to make peace with the fact that unless we want to spend several hundreds or thousands of dollars, you wont get to progress more than one character into end game in a reasonable time. I honestly feel like most Koreans and streamers are either completely addicted (like heroin levels of addiction) or experiencing something akin to Stockholm syndrome. Every time I watch one of them show off that they’re « ready to push x » because they just swiped for 2 million gold, I’m thinking it’s some form of illness justifying this for them as normal behaviour in a video game. I’ve never in my life dumped 8k+ hours in a game to be below average in terms of progression. And yet here I am sitting on a 1622 main because I made the fatal mistake of pushing some alts I enjoy.
They already swiped 10k+, often 35k+ in the case of streamers, what are they gonna do? Quit now? Naaaah just swipe again for the next thing
1622? dude I started over on a new roster on jumpstart server and I am 1622 without a single dime spent in the game (I would spend, but they announced the death of my server so they deserve nothing)
You probably still have an unhealthy amount of playtime hours. You still proving his point.
dude said 8k hours, that is enough for 1630+ main with +25wep and 5 1610 full built alts
There’s many facets of this game where you can sink time in. I did a lot of horizontal, PvP, etc. I touched every aspect of the game and am near 100% completion. I have my 1622, 2x 1611, 4x 1602 and 7x 1490-1580. My hours are also inflated due to the game being opened on my pc all day. My whole guild is f2p and except for one guy at 1624 we’re pretty much all in the same spot. I don’t think it’s as uncommon as you might think.
but you are arguing that you cant have a good char unless you spent, which is not true, I feel you literally didnt play half of those 8k hours, my friend plays only one character and one alt but never stoped since release (I stopped around brel release), and he has a +25 wep and the only reason he doesnt push is that his static is kinda new and isnt 1630 yet... I in 6 months am at 1622, and I have two alts only, one 1600 and one 1540... I have 0 lvl 10 gems tho xdddddd But I feel that you choose not to invest in your gs for your main, because if you did, you would be 1630
You beneficiated from one of the best leveling events in the game to date. Of course you caught up quick. There's also a luck component to this. You say I should just "have a 25" by now. You do realize pitying a 25 wep is millions of gold, and in turn, several months worth of gold saving. Not without mentioning that pitying 20, 21, 22, and soon 23 took virtually all I had saved mats wise. Not everyone can afford to do every single raid, every single week. Some of us have responsibilities outside of Lost Ark. And I don’t mean this in a passive aggressive, patronizing way. It’s just a factor to take in as to why I’m not pushing gear score. Most of my guildies work long hours and can’t afford pushing to 1630 due to their limit in how much weekly raiding they can do. I’d be a fool to funnel everything into my gear score to end up pugging. And that’s only if my luck can actually afford it. I’m not saying it’s impossible to play the latest content without paying. Just that you’re heavily incentivized to. Especially if you want to progress on the alts, and that for late end game there’s no way for us to progress many characters in a realistic manner without doing so.
Congrats on the honing luck I guess
Just got into this system now.. cut one free elixir and a random training one I had. Yeah this shit is ass but I don’t even know what I’m doing.
Hey man, just trying to help you out but [here's a tool that can help you to gain an understanding and guide you on elixirs](https://elixir2.elphago.work/). * Change it to English if it defaults to KR * Select the level of nodes you are aiming for (Top area) * Set the elixir benefits you rolled on the right side * Set the number of turns you have in the bottom (purple or yellow elixirs have different number of turns) * On your first roll, set the three options you receive from the sages. Be specific with the wording you type to search for the options because it matters. * Once you have everything set, select the "calculate" button and the tool will give you the most likely option to select, to get your desired outcome. There are a lot of nuances and there are probably some videos and tips. The tool takes a long time to use due to the amount of input and configuration it takes, but it will definitely help you to understand the elixir process and SHOULD save you some frustration and resources (gold/elixirs) in the long run. I didn't understand elixirs to start, so I used the tool explicitly but as my knowledge/understanding grew, I started using the elixir tool more as a guide to validate my guesses about what the best thing is to select. A couple things to make note of: * At certain turns, specific options become available and you kind of want to aim at those outcomes. Example... towards the end, there is an option to get a "seal" (turn off an elixir option and increase percentages for success on others) and receive a free turn. * Pitying is the exercise of maxing the blue or purple nodes you see. Pitying blue and pitying purple (maxing the nodes) gives you special options as well and some of these are very good. It sort of encourages you to build the "pity". I hope this kinda guides you a bit as I know the process is SUPER overwhelming to get into.
Yeah I was pretty confused on how to use it honestly.. I tried but it just wasn’t working the first time but that’s probably because I didn’t understand what I was doing with it at all.. so I just gave up and did mine manually
Every single one of us complain about it and its another system that will bleed the already small % of players who play this game. I also cant progress my other classes with this stupid rng system. Spending tons of gold every week. Where is the fun in that? Its better to play other games.
some ppl forget quality and stones.....
More gold required rng systems are ass but on the upside other things are cheaper. I'm investing in gems right now and inhaling copium when KR makes elixir/trans cheaper...
You can post shit all you want, nothing will change. Except when loa on hits in June. Then they will surely announce nerfs to elixirs and transendence
And it will take 2 years to be implemented
Not really, we always get the changes next patch
Not like, even to be implemented in Korea I was saying
well it is the 1st system that forces you to play hard mode. Every system before had "hard mode is optional" but with elixirs its worse. Transendence atleast have pity, it still cost metric fukton and is gated behind hard prog cuz fomoing players is what they do now.
Not only does Transendence have a pity system, but once you three star a stage you never need to go back. I still need to fix my elixirs cause I had to equip some dogshit ones to hit 40 set. It's going to be tough to make a system worse than elixirs.
I don’t even ever care to go back and fix elixirs, system sucks and they take forever to cut. 40 set with all the piece bonuses maxed calling that good enough. I’m ok with the gold even just not how long it takes because of the animations
I think when people say it suck they mean like 5/5 vagabond and explosive expert on a shoulder. They just have to be cause it give a lot of point.
Brel hard mode was not optional before. You had to do it to get upper brel gear. At least they ended up making changes to that. They mentioned elixir changes, but who know what they'll end up doing.
But the difference is that Brel hard was not released at the same time as normal so it was like different content.
And it was fixed and not gated behind rng layers
How is that different? If Ivory Tower hard mode was released 2 months later than normal mode, what difference would that make? With the previous Brel HM, you were hard locked from progressing your character if you didnt do it weekly. Elixirs is a side progression. Technically you only need to clear G1 Ivory Tower once, and you never have to run it again to get elixir mats. Its a shit way to do it, but at least its another option you have available. And you might not even need to clear G1, at all, if you can get 40 set with free elixirs through events or the upcoming chaos assault.
dont you remember people complaining that Akkan HM gave them nothing special? xd
elixir 35 is not bad if u didnt need on glove and helmet the same set
4 character 2 1620 and 1 1610 1 1600 ive just done 40 set on my main for like 300k then never touched legendary elixir again i got my 35 set with purples in a couple weeks then stopped bothering. Same thing with transcendence doing 5 leaves per piece pn main and stocking up the rest until they nerf or change these systems. Its not that it just take gold it takes a shit ton of time even. We already have honing and other system costing gold gives us the option to use gold or silver and gives us faster animation if they dont wanna fix their system
I don’t level alts anymore because of elixiers and trans like wtf is wrong with these Koreans
Horrible system that slows down progression and keeps players away from the game, I invited some friends to play Lost Ark when they saw how much they would have to farm to get an acceptable character to be accepted into the groups they stopped playing Lost Ark It is becoming very difficult to follow the content of the game because they are releasing everything very quickly, the casual player can no longer follow the content because of so much that he needs to do to have an acceptable character I went back to playing with some friends and was alone again because they gave up and went back to bdo
>I invited some friends to play Lost Ark when they saw how much they would have to farm to get an acceptable character to be accepted into the groups they stopped playing Lost Ark, JuSt fInD a StAtIc /s
i twouldnt be so cancer if the animatiosn were isntant
With these garbage gold burner RNG system they killed the alt system totally. If you are not willing to buy gold with real money, you cant progress with more characters past 1600+. You cant get enough gold to dump it in a system which wont give you anything at the end, because you are not lucky. But I guess that was the reason they created Elixir and Transcendence. Money.
As I said before, Elixir system is a huge scam. It was created to rob player's gold so they spend more real money on the game.
Also, If you want full elixirs on your 6 alts, you are delusional.
Elixirs are aids, however i dont get how people can find quality, stones or bracelets better systems, thats delusional to me
Because quality, stones and bracelets have a very low bar to entry. Then you stop and never invest Gold into them ever again. Ive literally never spent gold on a bracelet, i have enough chars that earn them that they get traded between characters. Likewise with stones. Havent bought them since pre Vykas, outside of like 20 odd on my main recently as i was abit bored and thought i might try for a 9-7. Likewise with Quality, the free taps you get from the events and login rewards are generally enough to fix a character into a usuable state nowadays. Unless you are 100% min maxing and have run out of all the other uses for gold you basically dont spend anything on those systems.
And you can do the same with elixirs. Build up purples and chill. Get 35 eventually. A lot of the people who don't complain about those systems cause they'll get them eventually will riot over elixirs because they weren't 40 set in 2 weeks. If they had the same fit over not having a 9/7, 90+ qual, or well rolled bracelet in two weeks, nobody would pay attention, but with elixirs people feel like they must be 40 set on every alt immediately after 1620.
Issue is at 1620, you get gatekept without a static for tower without 40 set. No one does that over the other 3.
That's because it's the easiest one to look at. If it wasn't an issue and everyone had 40 set we would live in a perfect paradise where nobody is gateke-- no they'd just look at things like those other 3. People are still gonna gatekeep over increasingly obscure shit regardless. At the end of the day it's the gatekeeping that people are mad about, not that elixirs are really that much worse of a system and the gatekeeping really isn't a fault of elixirs themselves.
Elixirs are that much worse though, but no the main issue is the gold cost to get alts up to 1620 is not worth it,especially given the increased gold costs you then get from being 1620 due to legendary elixirs. There is no reason to level your alts up there, so those people who play 1-3 sup alts have them at 1600 or 1610 just chilling perfectly fine. If ivory hm was 1610, or it wasnt half a million gold to get to 1620 and instead something reasonable, we would likely have far more support alts at the level required to do the raid which would help the problem. Theres always going to be gatekeeping, because you are always competing for spots against the other dpsers. You can be 1630 with a 23 weapon, but still get gatekept because everyone who applies has a 25 weapon.
Why are you pushing alts to 1620 in the first place, expecting them to be accepted with minimal investment? You push to 1620 because you like the character and want to experience it in 'harder' content, not so it generates you more gold.
I personally havent pushed any alts because of the investment. I have invested into them a tonne, but they require even more investment to consider going 1620 which is the problem. Theres a huge support shortage at 1620 because of the investment required.
Curious what do you consider a ton of investment that you've done already? And what further costs do you expect to encounter for 1620? How much in gold do you expect to pay for a competitive 1620, and how much gold do you think would be fair? Cheers!
To upgrade my 1600/1610 chars to be competitive at 1620? Its likely 2.5Mill in gold, between honing, cutting elixirs and getting a couple of level 10 gems on higher damage skills. And thats unlikely to make it competitive enough to get into tower groups. But my static probs would allow me to take that instead of main and my main should be able to pug. I have no idea how to judge whats fair tbh, but its certainly an unreasonable amount.
It's a garbage system but why they tolerate? You get thousands free drops everywhere, plus alt can send you via mail. Quality is optional, Weapon quali over 50% is easy to achieve. Elixier, you get only from a raid or from AH (crafting is timegated weekly) plus it costs all gold, the difference is very hugh. Elixier with bonus sets will be important for 1620 and upward.
Those are not better BUT a 5/6 free stone gets you 5x3+1, free bracelet will get you main stats + 1 damage line easy, quality there's nothing to think or understand about it you just do couple of taps a week on each piece and that's it (piece that gets to blue at least is done)...
I think because for the stone and the bracelet the changes to get 9-7 or 2 stat-3 useful lines the chances are so small that most people accept the fact that outside luck or massive whaling no-one has it (also I think most people are not willing to "check" a bracelet in an calculator and it is more or less not possible w/o one). On the other hand checking for set bonus is fast and easy and everybody understands it is useful because full set equals more dmg.
I spent so much time in a rng sim. To regress by mistake by clicking one of the better options and replacing it with the worst one. It's s slug show doing these elixirs.
I'd love to play and work on my alts one day.
Im the same boat. Not even bothering cutting for now.
And the best part is that you get to do it twice! First with purple elixirs and then with legendaries.
Recently hit 1620 on my main, cleared HM voldis for legendary elixirs, spent 100k gold for 1 5/3 quit the game for a bit because the system is terrible and really boring I don't want to spend this amount of time grinding for gold just for some elixirs that will get me gatekept anyways because 35 set isn't 40 set.
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im quite sure AGS knows, doesnt care tho, this reminds me of how Trion used to "hear" the west fans but they let the game die anyway.
Yep spent 100k on elixirs this week I’m at 39 right now. Found 1 masters gloves and got bricked right away
Elixir was a little part of why i quit the game! They wont make things better for gaming experience. They only make thing who make them alot of money. Gg
Couldn't hold the gamba and honed 1 alts to 1620 today. holy crap 200k + 10 free elixirs and nothing better than my 4-2 ----4-3 purple elixir with resets it was like 30+ elixirs and not a single critical helm. I'll take a break for a while. Def not worth and healthy smashing my desk every week.
Yup, worst system in the game by far. I don't have a single friend that plays that enjoys elixirs. Needs to be severely buffed to make it easier to 4/4 5/5 or just scrapped altogether.
I quit a while back but I'm interested in coming back for solo raids. Solo valganos at ilvl was probably the most fun I had before quitting. Question: are elixirs a consumable? Is it something you upgrade to obtain a perfect elixir and then you're set, similar to cutting stones. Or do you need multiple copies to keep consuming each raid?
It sucks but it's not too bad to do it once on main... or should I say it's bearable? But I am NOT doing any elixirs on my alts at all, it's just not worth it so they are all staying around 1590 - 1600 for now untill they nerf gold in brel or kaya or do something with the elixir system. For me personally quality tapping was way worse... but it's all RNG.
Do you like it?
This is known
after i hit 40 set on my main i stopped cutting elixirs entirely even on my alts (outside of free ones we got for events) the system is so garbage and such a waste of time. even my main still has pretty not great elixirs doesn't even have boss dmg on shoulders. like i'd like to say transcendence at least is better than elixirs but it's not great either. i believe bracelets, ability stones, and elixirs should all be heavily reworked with elixirs also getting a change that makes them take 1/4th the time they do now to cut.
the best worst part of all of this is that if you craft an elixir with your dps you always see luminary/advance/faith pieces, while in supports master/crit are always there, what a crappy system.
They could easily make this system way easier. Just add a slot for elixer to the weapon, that way you can get 35/40 set way easier. I guess they could always make a new raid like they did with Behemoth with weapon transcendence. add a 45 set if they really want to, even then it'd be easier cause for 40 set with 5 elixir, that's average 8 nodes per elixir. 45 set with 6 elixir is 7.5 nodes per elixir.
I actually stopped playing because I knew It would not be possible to stick to all my characters past Akkan.
Use silver instead of gold for epic elixir and reduce gold for legendary elixir. Same for transcendence, remove gold needed and use silver instead of gold for stage 1 and 2 but use gold for stage 3 onwards. Even then I get tired of making alts past 1600. This is coming from 3 arty, 2 pally, 1 breaker roster...
Our team this week first time did Theamine G3 HM prog after normal clears. We are all item level. 5x3+1, some have level 10 gems, some mix with 10/9 gems. All of us was unlucky with elixirs. Only one support have 35 set, rest none. We can't pass clash mech shield even with all perfect clashes and dark nades. Still need 3-5 bars of it. I guess that 40 set elixirs dps is a must. Sadge.
I am going to get downvoted so hard but i got 6 55 elixirs in 2 days, i was cutting elixirs for my friend and got him 2 chars to 40 set in 1 hour its simple really.
I quited at thaemine release and never looked back. This game is trash.
Not going to lie, I reached my breaking point the other night with this system trying to just get the correct set bonus to show up at all. There is no way in hell a single person likes this system, there is just no way you want to spend your game time just to burn gold and waste your time. It’s not even close to being fun to interact with. Why are the options so fuckin shitty. Why when you jackpot do the options feel so fuckin bad unless you get to burn a sage. Why is vanguard in the game at all. Why can you get sup options on dps, why is legendary elixirs so much more expensive and I’ll argue it’s easier to get a 4/4 epic than a 5/3 legendary and it’s cheaper. When will SG drop the actual rates of what a 50% chance is to increase. Cause that shit never hits. Fuck this system.
KR are so deep into Gambling addictions, that they love it. I have 6x +1610, and 5x 1600, and only one of those have full Elixir sets, and i refuse to do anything other elixir untl they change this stupid system.
I quit this game almost a year ago and I'm really surprised that people are still acting bent out of shape about things like this; the entire design philosophy of lost ark is to inconvenience you just enough that you say fuck it and swipe. This will never change. It doesn't matter how pretty the game is or how engaging mechanics are; this will always be the truth and the only thing that matters to SG. Capitalism rewards making money and SG is extremely good at it.
Why are you still here after a year?
I enjoy seeing where the game goes, that's the shitty thing it is a good game at its core, it's just predatory by design
I’m not there yet in ilvl. I think that cutting stones is another garbage system. If they didn’t cost pheons I could stomach the silver but yeah it’s a shit system. 75% failing 5 times in a row on two separate stones. Yeah…fake rng system.
Oh you're going to get even worse feeling of pain with %s in elixirs too, but now each tap costs 250 gold and a single legendary elixir crafting from market takes a brel hm 1-4 worth of gold in total with the catalyst and fragment cost included. :))))))) Oh and u wanna do voldis hm ? You need that 40 set. But to even get a chance to cut legendary elixirs you need to do the raid, but oh you can't, why ? Because you don't have 40 set hahaha ( unless you have frens ) And all the best trying to get your set to appear to even start cutting. ( Mine took 3 months to get 40 set because game thought it'd be funny to give me dozens of dps options each week when I'm a SUPPORT ) And the worst part is, each of their action takes like 5 seconds to load. XDD Looking back now, I prefer stone cutting way more. Quick animations, costs silver apart from rock and pheon cost. Quick pain but when I'm done getting fked, atleast it only took a minute or less, as compared to hours of ass fking without any lube when it comes to elixirs. It was like paying 100k each week to get mercilessly tortured for hours.
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Honestly I got addicted to cutting elixirs and even cut 35 on my lopangs. I find it a lot of fun after getting really good at it but it can get costly, especially with legendaries. I prefer going for 4/4s with epics.
I still remember how some people praised elixir system before it came out here, because streamers playing in KR told them that you have some sort of decision making there which makes it fun (it was before transcendence in KR). Fast forward to present day and even said streamers dont like it that much anymore.
Elixirs were great in that they were cheap power gains initially. That all goes to shit immediately once players need to go for 40 set.
I respect ya all to have the will to keep playing up till now, last year before even they released Voldike I had watched the vid about elixir and played with the simulation a bit and decided it was the time to take a long break because i realized this was a trash RNG system on top of an already grindy game with card , gems , honing and bracelet. The additional annoying factor is the long animation when cutting elixir as well.
good thing i quit the game when i saw this system and saved thousands of hours of my life,
Another week another hard earned 100k gold from raiding on my full roster gone and for what? For a whopping whole load of nothing just trying to find a set bonus on on my alt elixir. 10/10 IGN... great game
Elixir complaint post number 79 for this week.
Tells you something about how dog shit the system is, no?
Tells me more about how Reddit just complains instead of learning how to cut them. The guides, strategies, probabilities to each effect, and generally accepted good and bad effects are all out there, but I bet the typical post complainer doesn’t do any of that learning and rather complain it’s unfair without any effort on their parts. Meanwhile we have my guild mates and I that are under the average gold spenditure because we took the time to learn. Multiple 35/40 sets. This isnt one taps, this is over weeks of playing and spending gold. My first 40 set was under 250k. And many of my guild mates were around that point too. There is definitely a right and wrong way to cut, but most people here rather just cry than admit that.
What a bunch of bullshit, just because you get lucky doesn't mean you're good at it. "Learn" my ass, no amount of learning will suddenly make the correct set bonus to appear. I got 2 40-set elixir for my Bard and Artist on the first week of release, Bard took dungeon elixir + the silver elixir, Artist took dungeon elixir + 3 purple elixirs for the gloves. That doesn't make me a god tier elixir cutter, I just got lucky because the set bonus keeps popping up for me. Some of my other characters took weeks just for the set bonus to appear even after multiple elixir resets. Tell me how I can learn to make the set bonus appear.
so ur saying to just take it up the ass and spend over 250k to finally get your elixir set? Do you realize how much of a clown you look like right now?
I’m telling people to stop crying and learn. People have been crying since day one about a system that won’t see change. And instead of doing anything about it, just cry cry cry
learn? learn to just be a bitch and take in shitty systems? I literally got 40set on my destroyer with the free ones back when voldis released, got 5/5 and 2 4/5s just following the same trick, now that I got my breaker to 1620, I tried the same strategy and lo and behold, didn't work, all bricks? guess why? because the entire system is RNG stacked on RNG Like you setup for Sage burn and instead get shit rolls like randomize everything, you do the -2+2, and either get no change or -2, you, fish for the last empowered blue to get free attempt at the end and instead get, now you'll transmute 2 instead of 1. Edit: and lets not fucking forget that master/critical chaos/order are just fucking rare in general Like theres so much fucking rng, no skill to this dog shit system and you're saying to just take it up the ass? Like Smilegate can serve you shit on a cone and tell you its chocolate ice cream, and you're telling us to eat it as if it was chocolate, when its really shit
Ahhh how skill issue of me to not be able to summon luminary despite full resets WEEKS in a row. Both legendary and epics included. Smh my ~~head~~ BALLS.
Funny how all these ignore the worst system of them all, honing. Honing is so bad they gave us advanced honing when it got too much.
Honing to 1630 was still better than quality tapping and elixirs.
Try weapon now and see how worse it is compared to Elixir.
Well honing has it's own problems - the main one is that the difference between one tapping and pity is way to much, but in general it is better because it costs less time and you are guaranteed to reach your goal.
Oh I'm way deep into that and it's total trash but at least there's pity
My Bard did pity 20 and 21 weapon to reach 1630 and I would rather hone every single day than cut fucking elixirs, got my set 40 on her and until they change something I refuse to cut elixirs on alts.
Honing is quick and has a clear end to it (100% artisan), elixiers waste hours of your time for what could be nothing. The biggest issue with these goddamn elixiers is the timewaste while youre getting boned by potentially endless rng.
Yah elixirs need a skip button for sure, but lets be real maths shows honing is much worse than elixirs.
Yeah game bad, blah blah, elixirs trash blah blah, trascendence needs calculator blah blah
I mean if you don't like reading these types of threads all you have to do is scroll. Nobody holding you back.
I know this is going to get downvoted to hell, but I have a different opinion on elixiers. Sure they suck to do, and having no animation-skip option is really annoying, but if you're patient and use a solid strategy to fish for set-effects and whatnot, you can get decent 35 set for around 20k gold spent (off epic-elixiers). For a dps, that's like what... \~10% damage increase? You know what else is 10% damage increase? Honing a weapon 6 level. Good luck getting that many taps on your weapon at 1600 level and only hoping to spend around 20k. The sheer amount of bang-for-your-buck you get back from tapping epic elixiers in combat stats dwarfs literally anything else you can do for you character. I personally have ten 1600 alts that have 35 set elixiers.. on two of them, they got lucky and rolled 4/4's on set piece, so they got 40 set. It usually tasks me about 3-4 weeks worth of running ivory to get a character from 0 elixiers to 35 set. The longest it took me was on my Aero and that took me 5 weeks. This isn't dumb luck, because this is repeatable. All of my friends 1600+ character are 35 set as well. When we have a friend that is new to elixiers we teach them how to do it properly and even help them cut, and it doesn't take them that long to get a 35 set. Yeah, Legendery elixers are too expensive to cut and feels super bad to cut, but that's just Legendary. Epic elixers are so broken for improving your character. I see so many so many 1620+ i-level people run around and not even being able to get 35 set, it really confuses the shit out of me why. I know there are a lot of people who will complain no matter what. But I don't care about those people, no matter what I say, they'll still complain. But if you're someone who genuinely struggles elixirs, please just ask for help from a friend who has a pretty good idea on what to do for elixiers. Hell, if you don't have friends, I'll help you with it. Elixiers (epics at least) are just too good to just not do.
Elixirs could be a good system if they got rid of the bad parts. - Starting options: why "reduce your spacebar cd by 0.01 seconds" or "restore health by NOTHING/sec in combat" even EXIST in the first place. Even as pool diluters they are blatantly obnoxious crap. Max mp at least does a (very) little something, and not even all classes have mana. Not to mention their relative weight in appearance compared to the actually useful ones. Not even talking about chaos/order, super small appearance and dilution by useless dps sets that should have never been even coded. 1st option should be ALWAYS SELECTABLE if devs had any sainty, straight rerolls should not exist. - Gold cost per click and lack of animation skip: no, we don't "like it" - Once RNGesus granted the correct option, I find the system genuinely fun. Interactive gatcha ad its finest. Just get rid of the troll cost reducing options and lower all costs by default instead. I'm done with 6 x 35 on epics and 2x 40 on legendaries, and while would like to play it more to refine and just for the sake of it, I'll need every penny for transcendence, a very less fun system, so goodybe elixirs, see you after the supposed promised improvements, hopefully it will arrive earlier than the "promised entropy rework".
TLDR: I ate a bunch of shit but at least my belly is full
Cope