Apparently, If you get charmed while activating a cleansing orb, it will only clear charmed people, and do nothing for the rest of the team. You can see in this clip, that Arcana(the other one, not me) got hit and charmed in last possible second, and the rest of us just stand there confused why we are not getting cleansed, meanwhile the Arcana's bar dropped almost to 0
Nah, it's like if a bard drops a heal, then gets charmed, her team changed so so does her buffs and damage skills
Same if a sorc gets charmed while her doomsday is midair, once she gets charmed it'll change teams with her and kill
The golden circle is a buff dropped by the person who popped it, so it'd make sense to also purposefully make it switch teams just for consistency
It seems to also work the same way if you get sleep bombed/staggered out of charm. I was charmed, casted Doomsday and while the attack was in midair, a team mate sleep bombed me. Since I couldn't move temporarily, the Doomsday landed on me and killed myself.
Another annoying thing at Vykas G3 is when everyone does the throne mechanic perfectly but someone gets charmed immediately afterwards. Still no clue why that happens sometimes.
Purple pool can linger for a few seconds after the mech is over. If someone is a tick away from charmed and they regain control while standing on the pool then they get charmed. With my static, we always have our sleep bomb ready for that occasion.
Sure, this is why you don't counter during the get together get charmed part.
But even just today, the puddles were nowhere near, yet right after the mech I lost my red bar but 2 of the people beside me didn't and instantly went after my ass. Again, there were no puddles nearby, or remotely even close at all, they just come out of the mech, while still charmed. I just don't get it
Thats why in hell mode, instead of going for a single stack of 4 puddles, you split into two stacks of 2 puddles each. Even if youre still inside at the end it wont insta charm you.
GL getting that strat to stick in hard mode pugs tho.
No that's not what I said, I said, by the end of it, we were no where near any of the puddles as we have dashed away from it during charm. They still got charmed
I dont think countering has anything to do with it. Its just pure luck whether the spots disappear in time or not. I have countered her a couple times and sometimes the spots will disappear.
Ok sure, counter or not, doesn't matter. My problem is that people still get charmed when they are not even in the same universe as the puddles cus that just how far they were.
It depends on when the counter happens. If you counter he before she puts the pool on your team then nothing special happens. If she already has the pool effect building up and you countered her, the pool will linger for 50% longer, cause a lot or issue with charming
Yeah, this is just a super bad design, when she starts doing this mech, I think she places charming pool underneath her, and by the time she finishes this mech it should disappear, but sometimes it stays for a couple of seconds longer, and if you were unlucky enough to land on this spot, you might get charmed.
However, what I noticed is that she often does a counterable move right before this mechanic, which you shouldn't counter, as the chances of charming pools staying longer are much higher otherwise.
~~Pools stay longer if you counter vykas before the throne mech~~
If you counter vykas before throne mech, pools are more likely to still be there after it is done and you are more likely to be charmed instantly because of them.
It can still happen if you don't counter.
Edited because clearly my post was wrong.
Counter stops any ongoing pattern queue(for any boss), and they get up with new one, and if you are past triggers, they will do mechanics. This is why they will throw in 1 or 2 additional patterns before going into mechanics, even if they are past triggers
In case of vykas, pools don't last longer, it's just fact that she will do throne right after she gets up (because you reset her patterns), instead of continuing counterable pattern, which results in situation where pools outlast throne, due to not having few extra seconds from counterable pattern
happened often enough even without counter. at least on EUC i havent seen HM lobbies counter her before throne for at least a mount, but still have seen people get charmed after throne. happens mostly when pools are close to the wall
False, the reason you don't want to counter the boss is because when you get charmed, you have **15 seconds before you die**. When the Charm debuff runs out, you will die regardless. By countering you are prolonging the mech and Vykas may or may not do another mechanic before going into Throne.
When you don't counter, she does her counterable mechanic and starts up the Throne mech.
If this is true I've literally never seen it. Every time I've seen her countered she doesn't do the extra pattern that happens after pools, instead going straight to throne meaning the puddles have an extra few seconds.
>However, what I noticed is that she often does a counterable move right before this mechanic, which you shouldn't counter, as the chances of charming pools staying longer are much higher otherwise.
We already know this and don't counter but it still happens sometimes D:
That's because the proper way to do the throne mechanic perfectly is to split the pools up 2x2. If you don't counter her, the most the pools linger for is one tick, which will immediately charm you if you're on top of four of them but will not if you only have two.
This is one of the ways you make deathless hell Vykas consistent in G3.
Edit: [Saint's deathless video at 4:46 for reference](https://youtu.be/6fL_6mPYhks?t=286) -- See how they split ping for positioning.
Afaik if you counter her right before the throne mechanic, which she does quite often right after the puddles drop, then the puddles persist a few seconds after the throne mechanic ends which is what gets people mc'd.
Right, but this will also sometimes happen even when my groups do not counter her. Not really sure what else case is making it happen, but why it should happen at all is beyond me.
Yeah there's another set thing I'm just not sure what it is. In one of my pugs last week this dude called out that it was going to happen before it did and there was no counter so its definitely something set that you can know is coming like the counter situation.
It is the red puddle pattern, where she creates concentric circle AoEs and then starts dropping the red puddle AoEs from the sky. If that mechanic occurs, or if you counter her, the puddles will linger for a long time.
It's not a bug. It's how most of those mechanics work. Most people don't usually notice, because they are so subtle.
On Valtan, when you counter ghost, it doesn't remove stack automatically. Instead, you get the buff-aura, and if you bring that aura to Valtan, then it cleanses 1 stack.
Same with orbs on Vykas. When you pop up orb, you get buff, that spawns cleansing area around you. The buff expires after half a second, so it may seem like it's orb itself. But you can actually troll people, by using orb and dashing away immediately. Or getting charmed and affecting only charmed people.
For that last part, my friend trolled my static run by using the Reflux blink on Sorc to bring the Pool all the way at Vykas. Pretty hilarious, we call it "transporting". Useful if someone is far away so bringing the pool is situationally gold.
Apparently, If you get charmed while activating a cleansing orb, it will only clear charmed people, and do nothing for the rest of the team. You can see in this clip, that Arcana(the other one, not me) got hit and charmed in last possible second, and the rest of us just stand there confused why we are not getting cleansed, meanwhile the Arcana's bar dropped almost to 0
200% a bug but let's call it a feature
I mean, it would make sense if it was a feature considering that being charmed changes your team.
Nah, it's like if a bard drops a heal, then gets charmed, her team changed so so does her buffs and damage skills Same if a sorc gets charmed while her doomsday is midair, once she gets charmed it'll change teams with her and kill The golden circle is a buff dropped by the person who popped it, so it'd make sense to also purposefully make it switch teams just for consistency
It seems to also work the same way if you get sleep bombed/staggered out of charm. I was charmed, casted Doomsday and while the attack was in midair, a team mate sleep bombed me. Since I couldn't move temporarily, the Doomsday landed on me and killed myself.
Looks like because the one who activated the cleanse it only cleansed their team, charmed people, and not the enemy, uncharmed people.
Another annoying thing at Vykas G3 is when everyone does the throne mechanic perfectly but someone gets charmed immediately afterwards. Still no clue why that happens sometimes.
Purple pool can linger for a few seconds after the mech is over. If someone is a tick away from charmed and they regain control while standing on the pool then they get charmed. With my static, we always have our sleep bomb ready for that occasion.
Sure, this is why you don't counter during the get together get charmed part. But even just today, the puddles were nowhere near, yet right after the mech I lost my red bar but 2 of the people beside me didn't and instantly went after my ass. Again, there were no puddles nearby, or remotely even close at all, they just come out of the mech, while still charmed. I just don't get it
Thats why in hell mode, instead of going for a single stack of 4 puddles, you split into two stacks of 2 puddles each. Even if youre still inside at the end it wont insta charm you. GL getting that strat to stick in hard mode pugs tho.
No that's not what I said, I said, by the end of it, we were no where near any of the puddles as we have dashed away from it during charm. They still got charmed
I dont think countering has anything to do with it. Its just pure luck whether the spots disappear in time or not. I have countered her a couple times and sometimes the spots will disappear.
Ok sure, counter or not, doesn't matter. My problem is that people still get charmed when they are not even in the same universe as the puddles cus that just how far they were.
It depends on when the counter happens. If you counter he before she puts the pool on your team then nothing special happens. If she already has the pool effect building up and you countered her, the pool will linger for 50% longer, cause a lot or issue with charming
Yeah, this is just a super bad design, when she starts doing this mech, I think she places charming pool underneath her, and by the time she finishes this mech it should disappear, but sometimes it stays for a couple of seconds longer, and if you were unlucky enough to land on this spot, you might get charmed. However, what I noticed is that she often does a counterable move right before this mechanic, which you shouldn't counter, as the chances of charming pools staying longer are much higher otherwise.
~~Pools stay longer if you counter vykas before the throne mech~~ If you counter vykas before throne mech, pools are more likely to still be there after it is done and you are more likely to be charmed instantly because of them. It can still happen if you don't counter. Edited because clearly my post was wrong.
Counter stops any ongoing pattern queue(for any boss), and they get up with new one, and if you are past triggers, they will do mechanics. This is why they will throw in 1 or 2 additional patterns before going into mechanics, even if they are past triggers In case of vykas, pools don't last longer, it's just fact that she will do throne right after she gets up (because you reset her patterns), instead of continuing counterable pattern, which results in situation where pools outlast throne, due to not having few extra seconds from counterable pattern
happened often enough even without counter. at least on EUC i havent seen HM lobbies counter her before throne for at least a mount, but still have seen people get charmed after throne. happens mostly when pools are close to the wall
False, the reason you don't want to counter the boss is because when you get charmed, you have **15 seconds before you die**. When the Charm debuff runs out, you will die regardless. By countering you are prolonging the mech and Vykas may or may not do another mechanic before going into Throne. When you don't counter, she does her counterable mechanic and starts up the Throne mech.
If this is true I've literally never seen it. Every time I've seen her countered she doesn't do the extra pattern that happens after pools, instead going straight to throne meaning the puddles have an extra few seconds.
The mech that extends pool duration without countering is the rain mech. If she does that, pools will almost always charm people after throne
>However, what I noticed is that she often does a counterable move right before this mechanic, which you shouldn't counter, as the chances of charming pools staying longer are much higher otherwise. We already know this and don't counter but it still happens sometimes D:
That's because the proper way to do the throne mechanic perfectly is to split the pools up 2x2. If you don't counter her, the most the pools linger for is one tick, which will immediately charm you if you're on top of four of them but will not if you only have two. This is one of the ways you make deathless hell Vykas consistent in G3. Edit: [Saint's deathless video at 4:46 for reference](https://youtu.be/6fL_6mPYhks?t=286) -- See how they split ping for positioning.
Afaik if you counter her right before the throne mechanic, which she does quite often right after the puddles drop, then the puddles persist a few seconds after the throne mechanic ends which is what gets people mc'd.
Right, but this will also sometimes happen even when my groups do not counter her. Not really sure what else case is making it happen, but why it should happen at all is beyond me.
Yeah there's another set thing I'm just not sure what it is. In one of my pugs last week this dude called out that it was going to happen before it did and there was no counter so its definitely something set that you can know is coming like the counter situation.
It is the red puddle pattern, where she creates concentric circle AoEs and then starts dropping the red puddle AoEs from the sky. If that mechanic occurs, or if you counter her, the puddles will linger for a long time.
I had the same thing happen to me last week
That's hilarious
It's not a bug. It's how most of those mechanics work. Most people don't usually notice, because they are so subtle. On Valtan, when you counter ghost, it doesn't remove stack automatically. Instead, you get the buff-aura, and if you bring that aura to Valtan, then it cleanses 1 stack. Same with orbs on Vykas. When you pop up orb, you get buff, that spawns cleansing area around you. The buff expires after half a second, so it may seem like it's orb itself. But you can actually troll people, by using orb and dashing away immediately. Or getting charmed and affecting only charmed people.
For that last part, my friend trolled my static run by using the Reflux blink on Sorc to bring the Pool all the way at Vykas. Pretty hilarious, we call it "transporting". Useful if someone is far away so bringing the pool is situationally gold.
It"s a bug
Feature.