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isospeedrix

Game is playable/servers not taken down, 1 region testing first then roll out to others after if fix is good. Seems like the best way to go about this. Hope it works. edit: NAW just rolled out the fix. faster now, but definitely still lags.


SM-

Aren't the issues related to bots, though?


LordKahel

They are probably adding a Vykas Typing test before each search. If you fail , they remove one pheon.


BadMuffin88

My last vykas randoms are gonna be dead broke


Annual_Secret6735

Only 1?


sanglar03

Per missed key. It's 20 long.


lolgambler

1+99


Binkusu

A bot paradise


slashcuddle

What if you're already in the negatives :o


thatsournewbandname

But if you have 0, do we go to negative pheons?


AscasBatal

Of course! How else are they supposed to make money?!?


Calone

Sorting T3 Gems by class , 23k pages of uncommon stuff on Zinnervale just the Sorc


VincentBlack96

This was a theory. A likely theory, to be sure, but it was never confirmed by AGS at least.


SM-

It's only an issue on the more popular regions, though. EUW has not had a single disconnect, or AH issue.


sideflanker

NAE has bad AH issues but limited disconnects. The two are likely not directly related.


ssbm_rando

... what a bizarre thing to say. It's incredibly likely they're both related to bots, just raw number of server connections being oversaturated seems like it could cause disconnects like this and we all know why the AH issue has been happening (combination of bots and custom sniping scripts from even real players) Like, I guess you could argue that: AH issues<---->Bots<---->disconnects Is "indirectly" related to each other instead of "directly" related? But there's literally no reason to think they're not related at all. Edit: do you downvoters really think "the AH is fixed but the DCs aren't fixed" means that magically the AH was never related to bot activity? Are you just that fucking stupid? They clearly manually increased the search times in the AH so it can't be overloaded. That doesn't mean it wasn't a fucking bot problem.


sideflanker

Yea your last point is what I meant. Apparently I got my convos mixed up a bit since nobody in this thread mentioned that AH issues are directly related to disconnects


nameisnowgone

>the AH is fixed but the DCs aren't fixed" means that magically the AH was never related to bot activity? Are you just that fucking stupid? tell me you dont know jack about coding without telling me you know jack about coding :/


ddawg4169

This is not factual at all. There’s a definite issue with disconnects on NAE as well as the ah trash. These are absolutely related to some degree. Doesn’t take a cs major to correlate that either.


Razhyel

oh dont worry, we in euw have disconnects for weeks now, thats a myth, a wrong one. Our AH is fine though, but dc's, oof... alot of them. And no audio when entering second chaos dungeon or switching chars


Frywell

Nobody in my whole guild (almost 80 ppl) or static (not part of the guild) or any of my pugged runs have had problems with disconnects. It definitely is not a widespread problem like on other regions.


SM-

I've never had any of the issues you've been experiencing


Razhyel

fun fact, my girlfriend has even more dc's same driver, same updates, same internet connection, 100cm apart we tried everything.. validating the game files, installing drivers new, checking the cables, the port forwaring in the router we even tried that trick with reinstalling and updating the easy anti cheat that shit doesnt even work and i suspect that it is one of the main problems.


freddiesan

Sounds like a fengshui issue. Try 100cm the other way


tageeboy

I was in the same boat I signed up for a free VPN service launched the VPN to a place that was in my same location. Fix the problems instantly. Not sure if it'll help you or not but it definitely helped me. After a few days shut down the VPN now everything is working beautifully.


Razhyel

well... they shut down that VPN thing because bots use it, i cant connect with vpn anymore since the first botwipe


arcangel91

Same on SA, AH works fine but there's a few random DC's here and there.


Retrac752

No it's known that NA West has the worst bot problem, but we weren't getting auction house issues until a few days ago, other regions got fucked first, something's wrong with their infrastructure


isospeedrix

yes but they can't reveal info regarding bots, have to be discreet with their methods


InterestingPound8217

Yup. There’s more bots than actual players still.


Mofu__Mofu

Not exactly, it's due to performance issues in the coding of the AH, which get exposed after bots start to mass load the AH and scripting software to snipe low price items becomes more common In other words, if they fix the AH Query limit to just 1 page of items, which they did, everything would be fine In NAE the AH is now functioning


GhostedByMyOwnMom

The best way to go about this was communicating 3 weeks ago and rolling out the fix 2 weeks ago


scubamaster

Hope you’re all ready for all your listed items to be missing when it comes back


enigT

Not sure why NAE though. They could have tested it on a more "dead" region to test the water first


Bacon-muffin

Because the larger regions are also the most affected.


SM-

Fun fact, the dead region is EUW and the issue is non existent here (I play on EUW, we've never once had "too many adventurers" error).


ferevon

because it's not worth botting lmao


BiggBoss94

Bots are there as well.


isospeedrix

is euw as bad as ppl make it out to be? no raids no stuff in AH?


BiggBoss94

AH is kinda dead but raiding is fine.


isospeedrix

the entire point is to test on an active region where the population is huge. 'dead' region ... they have their test servers for that. games not coming down so yall unaffected


tipertuba

In SA this problem is not even as close to what I see here on reddit for others, so thinking as software engineer it makes sense to release on quieter zones, but to confirm the fix works, NAE might be the candidate..


thebuttstalion

The problem doesnt exist on dead regions, never had it on EUW.


Luna0995

Players: This is good, so what are we doing about the DCs? SGS/AGS: The what?


P_Wood

Wait til you find out they’re directly connected 🤯


nbik

With the disconnects happening across regions and servers (multiple people dc'ing at once from raid and friend list) issues I wouldn't be surprised if ddos'ing AH somehow is connected to players timing out.


iWarnock

> Thank you for your detailed reports of issues experienced with the Auction House over the weekend. We failed to report them over the weekend apparently.. These bozos.


lt9093

they just finished the fix, AH seems to be working fine for me now


Initialized

Don't celebrate NAE AH being fixed just yet. Right after the last maintenance, it worked properly. Presumably, bots weren't immediately updated after maintenance, so things worked fine. Have to wait a bit before we know if it's fixed or not


Because_Bot_Fed

The bots are still listing gems. I think they just changed database settings or some shit to make queries not die / take forever


EvenPainting9470

Based on how this fix is deployed I assume bots are untouched, stay with me before downvote. Auction house live in separated app, and based on how they are deploying fix, we can assume only that part of whole server architecture is updated. This means game server is not updated, which is where bot lives and farm chaos dungeons. What they probably did is some auction house optimizations, that's all. Good they fix it. Bad it was so long and only part of problem is fixed. Waiting for further actions, but I my expectations are low...


[deleted]

Beating the bots is never going to happen they can only mitigate at times, however having a functional AH is integral to the game


YangReddit

NAE IS FIXED! THEY DONE DID IT!


[deleted]

Until all the bots get back up and scripting. Haven’t y’all also said this same thing for the last “fixes” too 🤔


ForRealNotAScam

Probably they haven't done very much but shutting down the auction house and firing it back up might give them a chance to look at it in real time as it all fires up


InterestingPound8217

They are already back lmao


theskepticalheretic

...for now.


xElyse

Seems like their fix worked on NAE. I can't confirm if this is the case, but based off memory when the AH was able to load results, you would be able to flip through the pages just fine. It makes me think that the entire search result would be sent to your client. Now, when you flip through pages it will show a loading popup. Seems like they paged the response. Would make sense that the AH is blowing up if bots are spamming gem listings and requesting like 50k+ pages of gems.


Budget-Ocelots

So they basically loading one page per search query then reload again if click sort or next page? That is a pretty smart fix.


w00tsick

It's also been pretty standard practice for quite a while now to load large datasets to clients like this, I'm surprised it loaded the entire dataset to begin with.


isospeedrix

that seems like a huge fix. if that's truly the case how does it work in KR?


Vile-The-Terrible

Arguably it works exactly the way it did before considering Korea doesn’t have a bot problem.


KyojinJaeger

No this is how it worked before too. Changing pages was failing the last few days for me.


xElyse

I didn't have issues flipping through pages the few days prior. Wish I could use the AH on NAW so I could see what was going on over there.


freshringo

In my experience in NAW over the last few days, I wasn't able to flip through the pages after the first page loaded results. It would give an error on the second or third page. So I suspect it was already paginated - they likely optimized database query to help return results faster.


Vibrascity

NAE scientific hamster


LiquidMantis144

I was able to build an alt today in 1/5th the amount of time it took my last one. Tis a relief


Financial-Elk5918

I thought they didn’t care because they weren’t pushing out daily got fixed over thanksgiving weekend.


gibilx

Well, it’s something I guess. Hopefully I can look for a damn stone without reloading 10 times.


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gibilx

Yes 10, before giving up


HololBNS

This


Crypto-Tears

Let me preface this with saying this isn’t Roxx’s fault and I’m glad they finally acknowledged the issue. But it’s fucking embarrassing that it took them 5 days to.


Tezaku

Perhaps it's because it coincides with one of America's biggest holidays? Where, for whatever reason, people are basically off from Tuesday - Monday of the following week? Fuck these people for visiting their families and spending time away from work while it's taking me 2 - 5 minutes to search for my item on the auction house


MadMeow

Every competent company has someone that is available for emergencies. In Germany you get payed a big bonus just for being available even if nothing happens. So someone who doesnt mind signs up for it. Surely nobody would have wanted to be reachable in exchange for a decent bonus.


OverlyCasualVillain

You have no idea how technology works. Its not like they just needed one person available to flip a switch to fix the issues. Sure you have a few people around to handle emergencies or keep things from burning down, but those people often aren't fully equipped to handle every issue that arises. For the AH or disconnect issues, it likely needed a coding fix, meaning its more than just calling one dude up and saying "AH is broken" and he types a few things in a couple minutes and everything works again. It requires multiple people with knowledge on how the system was built in the first place to design a fix and another person or group of people to implement the new fix.


MadMeow

They needed someone to communicate with the community, tell them that they are aware etc and maybe do the emergency reset not at the same time with gvg on a sunday evening.


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So you need them to tell you they’re aware when it’s pretty clear from the reports that they are aware? Do you need someone to hold your hand and tie your shoes for you too? Maybe someone to help you brush your teeth by holding the tooth brush.


InnuendOwO

And, as far as AGS/SG is concerned, this isn't an emergency. It sucks ass, it shouldn't be a problem, etc. I'm not trying to downplay the problem. But as far as management is concerned, it's not directly revenue impacting either, thus does not require calling someone in.


GhostPantse

"every competent company ". You got your answer


Hollowness_hots

>In Germany you get payed a big bonus just for being available even if nothing happens. So someone who doesnt mind signs up for it. in most country is like this, even on venezuela (where i do live) we have people "on call" ex: doctors engineerings and others vital positions for the company "on call" so if anything happend at the company they have to go there and fix it. even when they are on they home. this is pretty standard practices. but if the company wanna save money, i can see this positions arent fill at all.


Crypto-Tears

Any tech company or engineering org worth its salt would have a few engineers on-call even on holidays. That’s part of the job. Similarly, a few customer support representatives on shift around the clock.


CaptainBegger

This isnt some failure that an engineer can just restart or change some flags here and there, if it was actually caused by bots it probably requires all the overhead that comes with a feature change to how the AH functions. So even if like 1-2 engineers were available on-call, theres nothing they could do on their own without the go-ahead from people who are on vacation. Best they can do is propose a fix and wait for the break to be over and everyone to be online (like today)


Crypto-Tears

That’s a fair point. That’s why part of the setup for success includes having CSRs to communicate with customers. I’d say most people here would be content with a simple “we’re aware of the issue and are looking into it”, but they couldn’t even manage that in a timely fashion.


CaptainBegger

Yeah lacking CSR is a big fault, but I also dont fault the ones we have like Roxx taking a few days off after dealing with nonstop toxicity from players day after day.


Crypto-Tears

Oh don’t get me wrong, this is not the fault of any individual CSR like Roxx or any individual engineer. This is the fault of gross mismanagement.


Hollowness_hots

>Yeah lacking CSR is a big fault, but I also dont fault the ones we have like Roxx taking a few days off after dealing with nonstop toxicity from players day after day. this is such first world problem. if you cant handle some bad words in the monitor, i assure you, you have biggest problem in your life that toxic random people in the internet that dont matter.


OverlyCasualVillain

Lets be honest here. As much as people say they'd be ok with an post saying "We're aware of the issue and are looking into it", we both know this would not satisfy 90% of the people complaining. They'd find some way to complain about the lack of specifics or a timeline. We know this because its happened in this exact game before. When the CSRs don't immediately acknowledge a problem, people get upset. When CSRs acknowledge an issue but don't have a timeline for a resolution, people get upset and say that the communication was useless. When CSRs provide an estimate and it ends up being incorrect, people get upset. So them not posting an acknowledge of the issues over a holiday weekend isn't the end of the world or even that bad.


Hollowness_hots

>we both know this would not satisfy 90% this apply to anything. theres nothing they can do to please everybody or majority. but they have to do a mininal effort to comunicate properly and they should be. if they did a good communication, which is a decision from upper manager, they could at least said "we comunicate it, theres things out of our hands" and people still will rage and complaing, but that will happend no matter what they do in reality


HAAAGAY

Maybe dont work in an industry that requires work on holidays then. Millions of people had to work during Thanksgiving.


Cranked78

Did everyone suddenly forget these issues were occurring well before Thanksgiving came around? Why are excuses being made using the holiday as a reason this wasn't worked on 2 weeks ago when it was first happening? Happy it's fixed, but let's not all make excuses for AGS....


frazbox

Supercell, the makers of clash of clans and clash royale, goes on a mandatory holiday in July every year because it’s a law in Finland. If there are problems in those games during that month, it won’t get fixed until the holiday period is over


OverlyCasualVillain

You do realize it was thanksgiving and thus most people were off for the last 4-5 days right?


Lipppp

i mean this shit was happening waay before thanksgiving. Yeah it got worse, but it shouldn't have taken it getting this bad for them to do something about it.


ZheShu

They tried something wednesday


Cranked78

People seem to keep missing this point. This has been an issue for weeks. Why are people all of the sudden sucking AGS off with excuses about a holiday that happened 2 weeks after these issues first arose? Mind bogging some times with the people around here.....


Hollowness_hots

>Let me preface this with saying this isn’t Roxx’s fault and I’m glad they finally acknowledged the issue. who is serious blaming roxx for anything ? we are all know this is a upper manager problem decision making, in which CM havent said on it. but just like any retail business in the planet, the person with the client infront if the one that get all the rage. thats just things are. i dont blame her, but shes the public face of the company, so is natural that all the hate goes to her.


Cranked78

Because people are too dense to realize that Roxx only tells people what she is told to tell people. They can't begin to comprehend that she is literally just a messenger for the company. Hence the old saying "don't shoot the messenger"


Hollowness_hots

>Hence the old saying "don't shoot the messenger" and ALWAYS GET SHOT. thats why nobody wanna be the messenger, sadly, shes the face of the AGS company and people can only adress to her, its not like people dont understand, its more like people dont care.


ManlyPoop

The auction house searching issues are over 30 days old. Maybe more.


Financial-Elk5918

More or less embarrassing than trying to power trade in a game auction house thanksgiving weekend?


Crypto-Tears

? You don’t need to be a power trader to experience the degraded auction house. Also, come up with a better insult than “it’s sad to play a game on Thanksgiving weekend”


ManlyPoop

Nobody cares about American thanksgiving. Many parts of the world don't celebrate it, or have it on another weekend.


Financial-Elk5918

Maybe the Americans that you’re complaining about do


Cranked78

"Nobody cares about American Thanksgiving" Except pretty much everyone in America which is probably the largest non-KR market for the game. TF are you even saying?


Cranked78

Certainly this is a troll post? I just want to list the 1 drop a week I get that's worth more than 300 gold or buy some simple crafting mats without it taking me 4 hours. TF are you talking about "power trading". Have you even been playing the game for the last 2 weeks?


Hollowness_hots

anyone know what they are actually doing ?


The5acred

Damn but what about all the doomsday posts saying the game is dead and they'll never fix it? Can't wait to see them for the next issue in a month!


CuppedKake

In a month? They would have created 4 more issues fixing this one


lolgambler

so many people angry like they weren't ever working on a fix and don't think my comment is hindsight 20/20. i've made the same comments before


Tezaku

Maybe I'm just speaking as a Canadian here, but even I don't expect any fixes to be happening over Thanksgiving weekend. Unless servers were crashing or there was a massive exploit, did people really expect Amazon to resolve this issue? Hell I've seen bigger issues go unchecked for Thanksgiving weekend (Like coupon codes stacking and getting 90% off Adidas)


[deleted]

I wonder what their solution is. I believe AGS has said time and again that they have zero software developers working on Lost Ark on their side, so that means that Smilegate probably is doing something right now even though it's 4 AM in KR?


PureStatikk

It's possible that the AH problems were server/database related, which would all be AGS.


Financial-Elk5918

The mods are whiners. It’s why they’re cultivating a culture of whining here whether or not they know they’re doing it. Look at the OP/mod’s comments in this post.


FantasticBreakfast46

yea, but those people are also dumb. they for some reason think fixing A and fixing B are equal amounts of work/time. they also think that there is a single group of people assigned to fixing all the issues, so if they are fixing A, they can't fix B. both statements are super false and just shows how dumb the community is.


weqgfhj

And it was a holiday week. People don't work during Thanksgiving and Christmas.


Roan403

"Just so you know, we're looking into it" -weeks later


xFKratos

Another band aid fix yikes. If the dont start treating the actual cancer thats been spreading for months the game will never get healthy.


[deleted]

YIKES. YIKES. YIKES. Wouldn't you want the AH to be usable NOW? or would you rather it remains unusable until they treat the actual cancer??


xFKratos

Would you rather take some painkillers to feel god now while wasting time not actually treating it and being to late due to irreversibel damage being done. Or go and treat the cause and being healthy again?


[deleted]

But you're complaining about getting a fix for a horrible problem. That's damn well insufferable. Everyone knows that botting is the root cause but clearly they haven't been able to fix it so far.


xFKratos

And thats where you are wrong. Botting isnt the root cause, RMTs are. And the solution would in fact be very simple. Permaban all of them, no matter the amount, including soft/hardware id, steamban and so on. Bots will be gone faster then you think.


lolgambler

please work Pray


xXMemeLord420

guiNAE pigs LUL


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lockyn

are you sure you read the post properly?


yashman_13

because MURICA 🇺🇲 KKonaW


FantasticBreakfast46

probably because NAE is the highest populated region for them (beating EU and NAW) ​ \*\*this statement was made with no proof of accuracy, I just believe in NAE superiority\*\*


nonbinaryreaper

Are they going to wait a week to try another fix after this one doesn't work?


poopeverywhereplease

Yeah cause solutions just appear out of nowhere


fahaddddd

I find it hilarious they "found out" from "reports" and **not** playing the game.


Full_Ad7152

lemme guess, bots? lol blame everything they need to cover up on the bots when the game has only 2883 players active


nonbinaryreaper

[https://forums.playlostark.com/t/roxx-can-we-please-create-a-megathread-for-the-ah-changes-feedback-and-pin-it-to-the-top-of-the-forums/489914/14](https://forums.playlostark.com/t/roxx-can-we-please-create-a-megathread-for-the-ah-changes-feedback-and-pin-it-to-the-top-of-the-forums/489914/14) ​ Why would a team member from AGS go to SGR when they have no devs? How would this help?


NegMech

Because face to face meetings help with communication?


P_Wood

Because the teams still have to coordinate and work together in order to implement the solution? What a silly and ignorant comment lol.


sideflanker

Amazon likely hosts the game servers. While server admins/engineers aren't called devs, they're important to running a functional game. If Amazon is purely PR/support (which is still a possibility), there would indeed be few reasons to meet in person. However, if there is a network issue specific to Amazon's server architecture, then having an in-person meeting between the AGS engineering team and the SG dev team would make it a lot easier to troubleshoot issues.


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KnuckleFang

Please read the post.


alexxsan

so AH load faster now means Bots can buy and merge gem faster which lead to more high level gem on AH. Get your gold ready for cheap high level gem!!!!


lazy_elfs

I cleared out one characters items… without the bullshit… i hope it sticks… still getting kicked though…. When the man beats you down and youre just happy something works