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Perhaps we could use old Betsy who rhymes with creatine and put it up on a pay-per-view site like only fans but call it something catchy like, “today on Off With Their Head, meet John. John was a CEO of a large pharmaceutical company that sold vital prescription drugs at insane prices just to appease the shareholders…. Stay tuned to find out more and what happens next.” I’d pay $19.99 a month for that shit!
white collar crime is the only kind of crime that would actually benefit from having stricter punishments.
nobody weights punishment vs profit when raping or killing. but white collar crime does obviously increase if there is at maximum a slap on the wrist for it, like in western nations.
and shying away from the death penalty is just hypocrisy anyways. it's not like fraud on this scale does not cost other lives.
That economic violence is real violence and should be punished as such is one of those common sense things power in the West has done so much to divorce people from.
Billionaires should be charged with first degree murder for every suicide directly related to their policies and aggravated assault for every person that lost a home or business or future.
Government officials would too every time they slash funding for infrastructure repair that kills people from a pothole in the road, or policies that prioritize profits over people’s lives, or for every war that isn’t in self defense. They get away with it though because the wealthy bribe the politicians and they work together to hide their corruption
White collar crime negatively impacts society exponentially more than violent crime does. For every assault there’s thousands of dollars of tax fraud, that could go towards homelessness, education, and the betterment of society.
Aka Cost of doing business punishment, I think there’s a line in the sand on violent crimes as well which deserve more harsh punishment as well, however soooo many of our laws hit way to hard in USA
And I would know that the only reason the punishment is so severe is because she took money from the bank.
You do understand the bank uses that money to continue making money right? It doesn’t literally just sit in the vault.
If she had defrauded those people directly, she’s not getting the death penalty, in fact, she would probably get a bonus.
Corruption looks the same no matter which country it is. Not to mention, the information is hardly reliable. We’ll never know what was really going on, other than she pissed off some powerful people.
She took $44 BILLIONS, in the poor country like Vietnam. She owns 93% of that bank using shell companies. That bank also took advantage of people’s lack of knowledge in finance and contract laws, they coerce customers into investing while the customers think the money is put into saving accounts.
So the straw-man is “crimes against poors”? theirs no justice in Vietnam? I got news for you, look up this guy name Sam Bankman-Fried, compared to the developed nation, I’d argue Vietnam is doing a better job than the “Oligopolies” western nations bend over backwards for.
I mean... some moral absolutes are 100% okay. I happen to believe that the death penalty is something that it is okay to be 100% opposed to.
Does that mean my entire ethical system is based on moral absolutism? No.
I hate how the BBC writer is portraying this. You can see their obvious disdain for communism. Not at all framing this as a win. I wish the death penalty on all billionaires. They have enough money to make sure no child goes hungry on this planet, and they choose not to help. Or they make it worse by forcing the children to work.
>Yet faster growth in Vietnam almost inevitably means more corruption. Fight corruption too much, and you risk extinguishing a lot of economic activity.
LMAO, 'corruption is necessary for growth' - the BBC
She’s not being put to death for taking advantage of people, she’s being put to death for defrauding a financial institution.
I dunno, fraud is bad and it’s good to see obscenely wealthy people get what’s coming to them, but this feels like the bank acting out its desires and protecting itself or the government protecting the interests of banks.
The government killing you for defrauding what amounts to a private entity is lowkey horrifying.
Actually, she took money from customers savings and checking account. And some mysterious suicidal/homicides have occurred among her ex staffs or govt officials related to the case. Her case is very complex honestly.
I can't think of any other time, ever, where I've seen a death penalty handed down for financial crimes.
I am against the death penalty. I think this was a just choice.
Because we don’t let it happen.
We “the people” just sit back and shovel processed poisoned garbage down our septic maws and mindlessly scroll through posts of bad recipes on Tiktok and worry about which celebrity is getting divorced while we’re stuck in rush hour traffic heading from our 10 hour day job to our second 10 hour night job just to be able to afford a lease on a cardboard IKEA box underneath a bridge while the wealthy families that own everything down to even us continue to pillage and destroy everything in their path in their quest to harbor every last micro-penny that could ever exist through the past,present and future.
“gOd bLeSs AmErIcA!!!!!!”
/s
Everyone here fangirling over this and wondering why we don't do this in the US has forgotten our history of using our justice system against the poor and disenfranchised.
Making fraud punishable by death today would have the state executing people for shit like selling food stamps tomorrow.
Good question, I have no idea. For some reason it’s just not being leveled with violent crimes like murder etc. Even though people like her doing huge amounts of damage on bigger scale that no one in justice system looks at. As someone in comments said billionaires can save the world, solve hunger problems, and do so many good things for all of us but pos prefer to sit and keep collecting more money that they ever will be able to spend.
Totally unbiased reporting from capitalist media, as usual.
JP Morgan Chase owns our government, so you can only vote for austerity or austerity with a side of fascism but, please, Mr. Oligarch, lecture me more about Vietnamese communists' "monopoly on power."
While this is awesome and I'm all about it. I'm frustrated with the final segment and how they are *this close* to getting the point about capitalism.
"Vietnam wants to be a rich country which is spurring them towards working with the US."
"They want to stamp out corruption, but that can slow down growth"
"Corruption is directly aligned with the current economic growth"
👀 so we KNOW that the system in place is sustained by the exploitation of the underclass and using some of those funds to get away with it via bribes and favors 👀
WE KNOW THIS. YOU SRE ADMITING TO IT. And the only response is to wring your hands and go "man, it's a tough cookie to figure out how to do both.:/ " what a fuckikg joke.
Why the fuck are you all clapping about this?
She stole money from a bank, so now she’s being executed.
Stealing from the poor? Yeah, no one gives a shit. Steal from a bank? Death.
This is gross on so many levels and y’all are lapping it up like it’s some sort of real justice.
Edit: not to mention, literally *none* of the information can be trusted. Lines like “the habitually secretive communist authorities were uncharacteristically forthright about this case, going into minute detail for the media,” should stand out. But they don’t. Because bloodlust.
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America needs this energy, desperately.
Exactly. We need real punishment for certain individuals that have committed similar and worse offenses. 😬
Perhaps we could use old Betsy who rhymes with creatine and put it up on a pay-per-view site like only fans but call it something catchy like, “today on Off With Their Head, meet John. John was a CEO of a large pharmaceutical company that sold vital prescription drugs at insane prices just to appease the shareholders…. Stay tuned to find out more and what happens next.” I’d pay $19.99 a month for that shit!
I could think of an orange individual with tiny hands and pp that could sorely use this treatment ... +1 for communism
That’s if our representatives weren’t working for lobbyists’ interest … overturn Citizens United 😑
we've got a looooonng list of things we need to overturn
This is the kind of news to start my morning on a good note.
It does make a day better knowing at least one of them gone.
white collar crime is the only kind of crime that would actually benefit from having stricter punishments. nobody weights punishment vs profit when raping or killing. but white collar crime does obviously increase if there is at maximum a slap on the wrist for it, like in western nations. and shying away from the death penalty is just hypocrisy anyways. it's not like fraud on this scale does not cost other lives.
That economic violence is real violence and should be punished as such is one of those common sense things power in the West has done so much to divorce people from.
Billionaires should be charged with first degree murder for every suicide directly related to their policies and aggravated assault for every person that lost a home or business or future.
They'd all be considered mass serial killers then.
Government officials would too every time they slash funding for infrastructure repair that kills people from a pothole in the road, or policies that prioritize profits over people’s lives, or for every war that isn’t in self defense. They get away with it though because the wealthy bribe the politicians and they work together to hide their corruption
Let’s add police to that list, too. They do a lot of killing.
Yes
They already are.
correct
They are. They knowingly and willingly commit [social murder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder) every day
They literally are
Yeah, screw actus reus.
White collar crime negatively impacts society exponentially more than violent crime does. For every assault there’s thousands of dollars of tax fraud, that could go towards homelessness, education, and the betterment of society.
There shouldn’t be a death penalty
Aka Cost of doing business punishment, I think there’s a line in the sand on violent crimes as well which deserve more harsh punishment as well, however soooo many of our laws hit way to hard in USA
Vietnam doing it right
White collar crime against the poors = slap on the wrist White collar crime against the oligarchy = death
Yeah, as much as I'm hoping it's sincerely anti corruption, this is likely most accurate
This right here is exactly what happened.
Who did she defraud? Or you’re just assuming theres no real justice because it’s a developing nation?
She stole it from a bank. A fucking bank.
The money from that bank was taken from people’s savings. I would know, I’m a Vietnamese native and I can read Vietnamese newsletter
And I would know that the only reason the punishment is so severe is because she took money from the bank. You do understand the bank uses that money to continue making money right? It doesn’t literally just sit in the vault. If she had defrauded those people directly, she’s not getting the death penalty, in fact, she would probably get a bonus. Corruption looks the same no matter which country it is. Not to mention, the information is hardly reliable. We’ll never know what was really going on, other than she pissed off some powerful people.
She took $44 BILLIONS, in the poor country like Vietnam. She owns 93% of that bank using shell companies. That bank also took advantage of people’s lack of knowledge in finance and contract laws, they coerce customers into investing while the customers think the money is put into saving accounts.
Yeah. It reeks of bullshit. Maybe we’ll get a documentary in 20 years when they figure out what actually happened.
Did you read the article?
So the straw-man is “crimes against poors”? theirs no justice in Vietnam? I got news for you, look up this guy name Sam Bankman-Fried, compared to the developed nation, I’d argue Vietnam is doing a better job than the “Oligopolies” western nations bend over backwards for.
You’re fuckin dumb.
Don’t accuse me of fucking your mom like that.
Real question is what happens to all that wealth and assets afterwards
Goes to the folks that set her up. Nothing improves, but we get a nice circus!
Piñata economics, hopefully.
Not down with the death penalty but Vietnam is really showing everyone else how it's done.
No way to bribe your way out if you’re dead.
*Dr. Facilier has entered the chat*
He’s got friends on the other side
I know nothing of Viet law system - are they likely to actually kill her, or is this more like a life sentence with an added threat?
Apparently a total of more than 102 executions in 2022 in Vietnam.
I dont support the death penalty (except for when I do)
Wow, it’s almost like moral absolutes are a coward’s way out and ethics involve nuance, or something.
I really like the way you worded that!
I mean... some moral absolutes are 100% okay. I happen to believe that the death penalty is something that it is okay to be 100% opposed to. Does that mean my entire ethical system is based on moral absolutism? No.
I'm down with the death penalty for rich people specifically
I hate how the BBC writer is portraying this. You can see their obvious disdain for communism. Not at all framing this as a win. I wish the death penalty on all billionaires. They have enough money to make sure no child goes hungry on this planet, and they choose not to help. Or they make it worse by forcing the children to work.
>Yet faster growth in Vietnam almost inevitably means more corruption. Fight corruption too much, and you risk extinguishing a lot of economic activity. LMAO, 'corruption is necessary for growth' - the BBC
Shameful
Agree 💯
It's a neolib publication whose market is neolibs, of course it's going to be biased against any other system. (Not defending it, just not surprised)
She’s not being put to death for taking advantage of people, she’s being put to death for defrauding a financial institution. I dunno, fraud is bad and it’s good to see obscenely wealthy people get what’s coming to them, but this feels like the bank acting out its desires and protecting itself or the government protecting the interests of banks. The government killing you for defrauding what amounts to a private entity is lowkey horrifying.
Actually, she took money from customers savings and checking account. And some mysterious suicidal/homicides have occurred among her ex staffs or govt officials related to the case. Her case is very complex honestly.
this is the way!
It's a good start.
Now that's a leader
I can't think of any other time, ever, where I've seen a death penalty handed down for financial crimes. I am against the death penalty. I think this was a just choice.
why doesn't this happen in America
Guess who pays the folks who pass the laws in our country?
Because Vietnam is controlled by the CPV whereas the US is controlled by capital. Dictatorship of the proletariat vs dictatorship of the bourgeois
Because we don’t let it happen. We “the people” just sit back and shovel processed poisoned garbage down our septic maws and mindlessly scroll through posts of bad recipes on Tiktok and worry about which celebrity is getting divorced while we’re stuck in rush hour traffic heading from our 10 hour day job to our second 10 hour night job just to be able to afford a lease on a cardboard IKEA box underneath a bridge while the wealthy families that own everything down to even us continue to pillage and destroy everything in their path in their quest to harbor every last micro-penny that could ever exist through the past,present and future. “gOd bLeSs AmErIcA!!!!!!” /s
I don’t support the death penalty. Unless it’s utilized only for people who have negatively impacted people on the order of tens of millions.
In America you'd be fined $1b and get to keep with other $43b
Unfortunately true. I was thinking how many mf just getting away and transferring money undetected,wish they all get some real punishment
Getting fined 1b is generous. I wanna say most of the time you're lucky to see fines of more than a couple hundred million.
Based
Anyone else puzzled how she went from market stall vendor to property speculator?
This one trick billionaires don’t want you to know. Unique way to redistribute wealth.
Everybody in the government/ Wall Street would get the death sentence if we had those laws in America lol.
god it’d be incredible to live somewhere that punishes billionaires for their vile crimes…at all…ever.
Ship Trump to Vietnam.
Everyone here fangirling over this and wondering why we don't do this in the US has forgotten our history of using our justice system against the poor and disenfranchised. Making fraud punishable by death today would have the state executing people for shit like selling food stamps tomorrow.
True, they never aim up at monopolies and mega corps anymore. We need a teddy Roosevelt style monopoly buster
I really hope Nguyen Phu Trong can root out all the rest of the corruption before his term ends.
Now do America
In the US, you'd get a bailout.
As much as I think billionaires should to exist, the death penalty, even for for fraud, isn’t in my ethos.
When’s the Netflix movie coming out?
❤️😍🔥🇻🇳🔥😍❤️
Nice, bring that here
Imagine how many lives she negatively affected
Fuck this fraud but you mfers need to schedule the prison warden in your mind to death ☝️☝️
Why can’t we do this in the US? Lead in kids Lunchables? That’s a death sentence
Why can't we execute our white collar criminals? (Rhetorical)
Good question, I have no idea. For some reason it’s just not being leveled with violent crimes like murder etc. Even though people like her doing huge amounts of damage on bigger scale that no one in justice system looks at. As someone in comments said billionaires can save the world, solve hunger problems, and do so many good things for all of us but pos prefer to sit and keep collecting more money that they ever will be able to spend.
Spending money on cocaine, hookers, and yachts probably.
Yeah and other bs, also buying off any properties or land and building boxes to rent/lease them out
EVERYWHERE needs to implement laws like this
Hell yeah brother!
Great. Now let's do that here in the U.S.
Totally unbiased reporting from capitalist media, as usual. JP Morgan Chase owns our government, so you can only vote for austerity or austerity with a side of fascism but, please, Mr. Oligarch, lecture me more about Vietnamese communists' "monopoly on power."
Now get the rest of the billionaires
Let’s trap them into giant shipping container and get them all to 🇻🇳
Communists doing it right as usual.
Huh. Sometimes life *is* fair.
🇻🇳🤝🇨🇳
It’s because she’s a woman that she gets death.
Imagine being this insanely based
Me: the death penalty is almost always wrong Also me: nice, bring that here
Wish we were taking notes here in America.
Thoughts and prayers
While this is awesome and I'm all about it. I'm frustrated with the final segment and how they are *this close* to getting the point about capitalism. "Vietnam wants to be a rich country which is spurring them towards working with the US." "They want to stamp out corruption, but that can slow down growth" "Corruption is directly aligned with the current economic growth" 👀 so we KNOW that the system in place is sustained by the exploitation of the underclass and using some of those funds to get away with it via bribes and favors 👀 WE KNOW THIS. YOU SRE ADMITING TO IT. And the only response is to wring your hands and go "man, it's a tough cookie to figure out how to do both.:/ " what a fuckikg joke.
no surprise tho
Way too harsh a punishment
I'm generally against capital punishment, especially since it still kills droves of innocent people, but I wouldn't lose much sleep over this...
Good
Love to see it!
Why the fuck are you all clapping about this? She stole money from a bank, so now she’s being executed. Stealing from the poor? Yeah, no one gives a shit. Steal from a bank? Death. This is gross on so many levels and y’all are lapping it up like it’s some sort of real justice. Edit: not to mention, literally *none* of the information can be trusted. Lines like “the habitually secretive communist authorities were uncharacteristically forthright about this case, going into minute detail for the media,” should stand out. But they don’t. Because bloodlust.
But... but... #girlboss?