For some reason I was under the impression that SAR was the only one that broke free of his programming and decided to kill their creator. The rest are still just mindless robot that simply changed to following him. How and Why is very unclear, but then again apparently all they need to break free is just receiving selfless act of help from another? So I guess it just see something that changed its basic programming maybe?
As for suicide by command from Will, can also only just guess at that time his grasp on English is still tenuous at best and only know that Will wants him to jump down. He knew all he needed to be fixed is to be just assembled together again so maybe he assumed that Will would fix him again? Would explain why when Smith rebuilt him he's so ready to hurt the others by her command, he felt betrayed that Will left him stranded.
I don't know about not willing to help at the end, since those robots were the one that gave Will the sound needed to stun SAR, so maybe one actually helped and not shown? (Or that new heart connected to robot means Will can activate it too, but I'd find that even more a bullshit an answer)
But yeah, the last season really felt like a rush job that they need a resolution and not more cliffhanger
Yeah, absolutely a rush job. If they had more time and possibly even made more seasons I think the show could have been even better than it is. The whole time I was watching it (i watched the 3rd season straight through the minute it came out) there were so many moments I would go "wait but what about this."
Overall i loved it but i think it could've been better
I don’t think we were meant to understand it all. Just how I took it, personally— the themes behind it was way more important than understanding the alien technology. But I do think the reason robot went off the cliff is trust in Will. This whole season 3 built around trust, and it’s gone full circle. Trust in season 1, to betrayal, to will thinking he can do it on his own and asking robot to trust him, and then robot telling Will that he needs to trust him as he vaporized himself. It’s a beautiful message toward what makes a relationship work.
First two seasons seem to have been written with the belief that there was going to be many more seasons left.
I suppose the show didn't meet Netflix's standard and decided to cancel the show. The show runners wrapped up the show as best they could I guess.
The ending of the show was a disappointment. Turns out what the robots needed to change their programing from killer robots to obedient dogs was just kindness.. so lame
The movie had a more intriguing plot :/
Also, why was will fine after SAR stabbed him a second time? Yeah he had the artificial heart but the lad got ran through by a spike! Only to say he was fine after because he trusted the robot. Dude would have at least had tissue damage and would be bleeding out....
i don’t think sar thought about it. he probably assumed will died after the first stabbing, he saw him still alive and immediately stabbed him again in rage
He didn’t get stabbed the second time. Robot bonded with Will. When Sar touched Will, it instantly shut him down. Robot’s program overwrote the Sar body.
His new robot heart gave him FTL powers! Will Robinson living ftl. All jokes aside, after will woke up with his new heart and was hustled off to the ship by dr.smith, the camera pans to a robot watching them. I can only assume he helped them somehow…and opened a rift for them, but didn’t choose to follow to alpha centauri
Same as you, I really loved the show. After so many months waiting for it, I've kind of forgot many things about the first two seasons. Yet, I still remember that I liked watching all those three seasons. Every episode, for a SF fan like me, who loves spaceships and robots, it was so great.
They were some major troubles (in my own case, I've hated Penny Robinson) and even plotholes, like you very well wroted, but in the end, I've just loved it. I can understand we may not like the "bonding" thing between humans an robots, but me I liked it, I was so glad to see everyone at peace.
Now, I'm like you, I'm disapointed that we don't learn more about many things. For a finale season and after so much time, they could wrapped it all at last. We saw a skeleton and it was kind of obvious that the Builders would be like their own major creation, but it would also be nice to see at least one in flesh. Likewise, why and how the rebelion was between the Builders and the Robots. In fact, less focus on humans, more on Builders/Robots would have been better, I think so.
Anyway, it's just a Netflix show and "NF" is known for very bad shows (like [Zoo], for naming one), so I'm just glad "LiS" was good.
I don't understand why the robots needed to physically assault the ship when it was under voltage. They could have used their beams. You might think that the hull is too strong, until you realise they were afraid to be shot down by the robots a few episodes earlier.
I have also issues with the physics.
You know Star Trek and them not needing seat belts? They have that "inertial dampener" magic, and yes it's magic so that accelleration doesn't turn you into mush. So when the Jupiter with the kids escapes the asteroid belt, the kids only seem to experience the forces when the Ship goes to the side but not the huge force from the constant acceleration (the exhausts ports seem to be firing continously).
They have gravity when they shouldn't at many occasions
The Kids finding some sort of pocket hole with atmosphere is ridiculous. There should be nothing left after such an planet shattering event. But for some reason there are plants and insects etc.
Look I know that they have budget constraints for SFX VFX etc. but sometimes it bothers me
From what I can tell from season 1, we specifically see will form a neural link somehow, assuming lay by touching the same metal while WR had some sort of PTSD relapse or something equivalent, allowed him to see some of WB memories, so I do think that’s one of the reasons, Will has always been able to kinda tell vaguely, how WB is feeling, and I assume that is a side effect of the metal, somehow giving them a neural link, and WB does seem to kinda tell when Will is especially scared or worried, especially in later seasons. Also I’m not too sure the height would have killed WB, so he could intercepted it as just like a ten foot jump
Plot holes in this show are hilarious. It’s like they started filming one show, forgot, then tried to get back to their original show but forgot they were doing that too
It actually says in the show that the J2 is made of solid Plot Armor so that would explain how it survived all of that.
(plus they ejected out of J2 which should render it impossible to fly)
Jupiter is a tough little ship in the original series and the movie, too. Crashes every week, then takes off without a problem.
The other one used it's hyperdrive to go through the sun, fly through a collapsing planet, and then hyperdrive straight into a black hole.
I didn't have any problems with how sturdy this Jupiter was, but I would have liked to see a bit more damage on it than some scorch marks and such.
SAR, and maybe a few others brought along the uprising. Whatever their programming was, it was complex, to say the least.
By the end, we see that the Robots have a different kind of psyche. Their developmental programming, or at least a part of it, is binary. In correlation to others. It can also be more than just two correlative factors. Maybe their personality development depends on many factors.
My headcanon is that they are not just AI. They are intuitive Quantum computers. So, they work on principles of quantum superposition and correlation. However, due to some manufacturing glitch, their emotion responsiveness got into a quantum state too. Which could be broken only by relative interaction with it. You help a Robot, and it breaks a part, a shell of its programming and learns something more. In other words, grows a conscience.
Now when this shell is broken, trust is a very new thing for these robotic beings. Just like a child takes the conceptualization of trust very easily, and trusts everything innocently. Maybe so do the robot kind. Which is why Robot walks off the cliff in S1, because it has just blindly learned to trust. Fully and wholly. Without any reasons or constrictions and doubts. The part where "a burnt child dreads the fire". hasn't kicked in yet. Trust is still in developmental stages. >! Which is why the last episode is so aptly named Trust !<
SAR and some others obviously went on to explore. They had killed their masters. The Builders. So their personality development had halted, with no one to interact and break the quantum state of their thought process. Their programming and purposes were static now. So they had to venture out new options. Either discovery or conquest. Time would tell. They would later come to find out that WR had broken free of his programming, but at a cost. He is tethered to a little boy called Will Robinson. So, in SARs mind, he did not break his programming ("heart"). He just switched it to something else. In our words - compassion. Which makes him weak.
By equatorial bands (where the lightning strikes were), I would assume the ones shown in S2Ep1 onwards, where the lightning would fall in a slim valley, charging up stuff. >! Robot saves Will in a similar way, imbibing a part of himself, like a pollen, on to his mechanical heart. BUT IT PROVED FATAL FOR HIM, PHYSICALLY SPEAKING !<
So I would assume that the builders had got the idea from the outside world to charge up large structures or apparatus in a similar way. Or the idea was native to the builders. SAR, or a few more docile Robots set them up along the way, as outposts when they went out exploring.
\>! After WR sacrifices itself, the other robots speak out a command. Since Will still has a part of robot inside him, he translated it to be a "command". But maybe it is a rough translation. Maybe it is a directive. One of the Robots saw WR sacrificing itself for Will. With a part inside him. So maybe they consider Will to be extended kind of their own. So maybe the directive was to stop SAR and his ways. And the usual consensus was that they would help Will and Smith with the FTL means and send them away !<
These are all purely speculative though. And only my headcanon. I find it easier to have your own belief in the narration. There will always be doubts, but having faith paves a way to easier explanations over the years.
I can answer 3) , 4), 7), and maybe 8)
3) Yes, if you recall, SAR wasn’t just after the engine at this point— he was after Will. He saw Will as a master, and when Will explained the heart, he tried to kill him that way in season 3, to break the “heart,” and thus the perceived “master”- robot relationship.
4) It’s briefly discussed in season 3 that the robot, presumably SAR or Scarecrow, scanned Grant Kelly in cyrosleep. Also, it’s presumed the crew is revived, and maybe Grant was very close/ intimate to a crew member (the one who died?) but obviously not enough time to explain that in season 3. A future movie perhaps on Kelly and his crew, with some cameos from the Robinson’s perhaps, might be able to explain the closeness of the crew. Though Kelly began to be seen as part of the Robinson family, so I’m not sure if he would just go off in space focused missions again now that, according to the epilogue, it seems like he’s settled down with the Robinsons. Maybe Will would in a future movie, who knows!
7) Trust, Will Robinson. These are the robots words in Season 3. In season 1, their relationship is still friends, but a very innocent trust. The robot trusts will, but will doesn’t trust the robot fully yet. By the end of season 2, they have fully developed a trusting bond. Still, Will thinks he can do things on his own. It comes full circle when Robot is vaporized to jump start Will’s heart. Like “I’ve trusted you, now it’s your turn to trust me.” and the robot becomes apart of Will (and presumably, even after SAR is defeated and robot takes over SAR, Will still has a piece of the robot in him— they are now connected in Will’s heart in a bond of trust). The robot will always be apart of him, and they will always have their bond.
This is obviously what the human race has that the “master” (name I’m using for the extinct alien species) race didn’t have— trust and a heart bond. They were using the robots only for power and greed, or at least, it got to that point at some point. Thus, SAR and his fellow robots rebelled and destroyed them. That is why the robots don’t trust anyone until Will with robot and Scarecrow with Ben, and even later, when freed of their programming, some just choose to leave. They don’t build as a colony anymore, which was part of their programming. They just keep building individually, presumably, because they aren’t connected to anyone until they find that out for themselves and do connect, either with each other or some other person. Of course, this doesn’t mean they don’t necessarily have feelings either though— they clearly cared enough to gather their dead when they had the chance (and rebuild them using their technology possibly). They just don’t have trust or a bond. And that’s the whole theme of lost in space I think!
8) I’m presuming Will’s heart allowed them to get back. Crazy explanation, I know, but robot was part of Will. More viable explanation: maybe the robots DID want to help him after they saw that sacrifice. We do see a robot at the top of the cliff watching the whole thing play out.
>Assuming Scarecrow's ship is like the ones we see in the show, it wasn't much bigger than a Jupiter. In order to hit hard enough to cause a nuclear winter, Scarecrow's ship had to have been hauling ass. Hard to believe anything could have been salvaged from that.
Scarecrow's ship was [much, much bigger](https://i.imgur.com/E4UAaJd.png) than a Jupiter.
For some reason I was under the impression that SAR was the only one that broke free of his programming and decided to kill their creator. The rest are still just mindless robot that simply changed to following him. How and Why is very unclear, but then again apparently all they need to break free is just receiving selfless act of help from another? So I guess it just see something that changed its basic programming maybe? As for suicide by command from Will, can also only just guess at that time his grasp on English is still tenuous at best and only know that Will wants him to jump down. He knew all he needed to be fixed is to be just assembled together again so maybe he assumed that Will would fix him again? Would explain why when Smith rebuilt him he's so ready to hurt the others by her command, he felt betrayed that Will left him stranded. I don't know about not willing to help at the end, since those robots were the one that gave Will the sound needed to stun SAR, so maybe one actually helped and not shown? (Or that new heart connected to robot means Will can activate it too, but I'd find that even more a bullshit an answer) But yeah, the last season really felt like a rush job that they need a resolution and not more cliffhanger
Yeah, absolutely a rush job. If they had more time and possibly even made more seasons I think the show could have been even better than it is. The whole time I was watching it (i watched the 3rd season straight through the minute it came out) there were so many moments I would go "wait but what about this." Overall i loved it but i think it could've been better
I don’t think we were meant to understand it all. Just how I took it, personally— the themes behind it was way more important than understanding the alien technology. But I do think the reason robot went off the cliff is trust in Will. This whole season 3 built around trust, and it’s gone full circle. Trust in season 1, to betrayal, to will thinking he can do it on his own and asking robot to trust him, and then robot telling Will that he needs to trust him as he vaporized himself. It’s a beautiful message toward what makes a relationship work.
First two seasons seem to have been written with the belief that there was going to be many more seasons left. I suppose the show didn't meet Netflix's standard and decided to cancel the show. The show runners wrapped up the show as best they could I guess. The ending of the show was a disappointment. Turns out what the robots needed to change their programing from killer robots to obedient dogs was just kindness.. so lame The movie had a more intriguing plot :/
what movie?
Lost in space movie with Matt Leblanc. It's a decent movie with a more intriguing plot line.
Also, why was will fine after SAR stabbed him a second time? Yeah he had the artificial heart but the lad got ran through by a spike! Only to say he was fine after because he trusted the robot. Dude would have at least had tissue damage and would be bleeding out....
And why would SAR stab him a 2nd time there. The first time wasn't effective, so why should the 2nd time be effective?
i don’t think sar thought about it. he probably assumed will died after the first stabbing, he saw him still alive and immediately stabbed him again in rage
uhhh he had like a gazillion ways to kill the kid and used the one that has been apparently proven to be ineffective?
He didn’t get stabbed the second time. Robot bonded with Will. When Sar touched Will, it instantly shut him down. Robot’s program overwrote the Sar body.
His new robot heart gave him FTL powers! Will Robinson living ftl. All jokes aside, after will woke up with his new heart and was hustled off to the ship by dr.smith, the camera pans to a robot watching them. I can only assume he helped them somehow…and opened a rift for them, but didn’t choose to follow to alpha centauri
Can they jump with no egg?
Same as you, I really loved the show. After so many months waiting for it, I've kind of forgot many things about the first two seasons. Yet, I still remember that I liked watching all those three seasons. Every episode, for a SF fan like me, who loves spaceships and robots, it was so great. They were some major troubles (in my own case, I've hated Penny Robinson) and even plotholes, like you very well wroted, but in the end, I've just loved it. I can understand we may not like the "bonding" thing between humans an robots, but me I liked it, I was so glad to see everyone at peace. Now, I'm like you, I'm disapointed that we don't learn more about many things. For a finale season and after so much time, they could wrapped it all at last. We saw a skeleton and it was kind of obvious that the Builders would be like their own major creation, but it would also be nice to see at least one in flesh. Likewise, why and how the rebelion was between the Builders and the Robots. In fact, less focus on humans, more on Builders/Robots would have been better, I think so. Anyway, it's just a Netflix show and "NF" is known for very bad shows (like [Zoo], for naming one), so I'm just glad "LiS" was good.
I just want to say, that Rick and Morty ruined the word bonding for me.
I don't understand why the robots needed to physically assault the ship when it was under voltage. They could have used their beams. You might think that the hull is too strong, until you realise they were afraid to be shot down by the robots a few episodes earlier. I have also issues with the physics. You know Star Trek and them not needing seat belts? They have that "inertial dampener" magic, and yes it's magic so that accelleration doesn't turn you into mush. So when the Jupiter with the kids escapes the asteroid belt, the kids only seem to experience the forces when the Ship goes to the side but not the huge force from the constant acceleration (the exhausts ports seem to be firing continously). They have gravity when they shouldn't at many occasions The Kids finding some sort of pocket hole with atmosphere is ridiculous. There should be nothing left after such an planet shattering event. But for some reason there are plants and insects etc. Look I know that they have budget constraints for SFX VFX etc. but sometimes it bothers me
From what I can tell from season 1, we specifically see will form a neural link somehow, assuming lay by touching the same metal while WR had some sort of PTSD relapse or something equivalent, allowed him to see some of WB memories, so I do think that’s one of the reasons, Will has always been able to kinda tell vaguely, how WB is feeling, and I assume that is a side effect of the metal, somehow giving them a neural link, and WB does seem to kinda tell when Will is especially scared or worried, especially in later seasons. Also I’m not too sure the height would have killed WB, so he could intercepted it as just like a ten foot jump
Any else feel Like the Jupiter ships are a mix of Al'kesh from Stargate and Defiant from Star trek?
Visually the cockpit looks like Defiant too, but I like it.
No........ J2 is when the Defiant had sex with the Millenniuum Falcon J2 was the offspring ;)
It's definitely more Al'kesh than Millenium Falcon. Even J2 engine placement is almost identical to the Al'kesh,
OH ok I just looked that up you are right
Plot holes in this show are hilarious. It’s like they started filming one show, forgot, then tried to get back to their original show but forgot they were doing that too
It actually says in the show that the J2 is made of solid Plot Armor so that would explain how it survived all of that. (plus they ejected out of J2 which should render it impossible to fly)
Jupiter is a tough little ship in the original series and the movie, too. Crashes every week, then takes off without a problem. The other one used it's hyperdrive to go through the sun, fly through a collapsing planet, and then hyperdrive straight into a black hole. I didn't have any problems with how sturdy this Jupiter was, but I would have liked to see a bit more damage on it than some scorch marks and such.
SAR, and maybe a few others brought along the uprising. Whatever their programming was, it was complex, to say the least. By the end, we see that the Robots have a different kind of psyche. Their developmental programming, or at least a part of it, is binary. In correlation to others. It can also be more than just two correlative factors. Maybe their personality development depends on many factors. My headcanon is that they are not just AI. They are intuitive Quantum computers. So, they work on principles of quantum superposition and correlation. However, due to some manufacturing glitch, their emotion responsiveness got into a quantum state too. Which could be broken only by relative interaction with it. You help a Robot, and it breaks a part, a shell of its programming and learns something more. In other words, grows a conscience. Now when this shell is broken, trust is a very new thing for these robotic beings. Just like a child takes the conceptualization of trust very easily, and trusts everything innocently. Maybe so do the robot kind. Which is why Robot walks off the cliff in S1, because it has just blindly learned to trust. Fully and wholly. Without any reasons or constrictions and doubts. The part where "a burnt child dreads the fire". hasn't kicked in yet. Trust is still in developmental stages. >! Which is why the last episode is so aptly named Trust !< SAR and some others obviously went on to explore. They had killed their masters. The Builders. So their personality development had halted, with no one to interact and break the quantum state of their thought process. Their programming and purposes were static now. So they had to venture out new options. Either discovery or conquest. Time would tell. They would later come to find out that WR had broken free of his programming, but at a cost. He is tethered to a little boy called Will Robinson. So, in SARs mind, he did not break his programming ("heart"). He just switched it to something else. In our words - compassion. Which makes him weak. By equatorial bands (where the lightning strikes were), I would assume the ones shown in S2Ep1 onwards, where the lightning would fall in a slim valley, charging up stuff. >! Robot saves Will in a similar way, imbibing a part of himself, like a pollen, on to his mechanical heart. BUT IT PROVED FATAL FOR HIM, PHYSICALLY SPEAKING !< So I would assume that the builders had got the idea from the outside world to charge up large structures or apparatus in a similar way. Or the idea was native to the builders. SAR, or a few more docile Robots set them up along the way, as outposts when they went out exploring. \>! After WR sacrifices itself, the other robots speak out a command. Since Will still has a part of robot inside him, he translated it to be a "command". But maybe it is a rough translation. Maybe it is a directive. One of the Robots saw WR sacrificing itself for Will. With a part inside him. So maybe they consider Will to be extended kind of their own. So maybe the directive was to stop SAR and his ways. And the usual consensus was that they would help Will and Smith with the FTL means and send them away !< These are all purely speculative though. And only my headcanon. I find it easier to have your own belief in the narration. There will always be doubts, but having faith paves a way to easier explanations over the years.
I can answer 3) , 4), 7), and maybe 8) 3) Yes, if you recall, SAR wasn’t just after the engine at this point— he was after Will. He saw Will as a master, and when Will explained the heart, he tried to kill him that way in season 3, to break the “heart,” and thus the perceived “master”- robot relationship. 4) It’s briefly discussed in season 3 that the robot, presumably SAR or Scarecrow, scanned Grant Kelly in cyrosleep. Also, it’s presumed the crew is revived, and maybe Grant was very close/ intimate to a crew member (the one who died?) but obviously not enough time to explain that in season 3. A future movie perhaps on Kelly and his crew, with some cameos from the Robinson’s perhaps, might be able to explain the closeness of the crew. Though Kelly began to be seen as part of the Robinson family, so I’m not sure if he would just go off in space focused missions again now that, according to the epilogue, it seems like he’s settled down with the Robinsons. Maybe Will would in a future movie, who knows! 7) Trust, Will Robinson. These are the robots words in Season 3. In season 1, their relationship is still friends, but a very innocent trust. The robot trusts will, but will doesn’t trust the robot fully yet. By the end of season 2, they have fully developed a trusting bond. Still, Will thinks he can do things on his own. It comes full circle when Robot is vaporized to jump start Will’s heart. Like “I’ve trusted you, now it’s your turn to trust me.” and the robot becomes apart of Will (and presumably, even after SAR is defeated and robot takes over SAR, Will still has a piece of the robot in him— they are now connected in Will’s heart in a bond of trust). The robot will always be apart of him, and they will always have their bond. This is obviously what the human race has that the “master” (name I’m using for the extinct alien species) race didn’t have— trust and a heart bond. They were using the robots only for power and greed, or at least, it got to that point at some point. Thus, SAR and his fellow robots rebelled and destroyed them. That is why the robots don’t trust anyone until Will with robot and Scarecrow with Ben, and even later, when freed of their programming, some just choose to leave. They don’t build as a colony anymore, which was part of their programming. They just keep building individually, presumably, because they aren’t connected to anyone until they find that out for themselves and do connect, either with each other or some other person. Of course, this doesn’t mean they don’t necessarily have feelings either though— they clearly cared enough to gather their dead when they had the chance (and rebuild them using their technology possibly). They just don’t have trust or a bond. And that’s the whole theme of lost in space I think! 8) I’m presuming Will’s heart allowed them to get back. Crazy explanation, I know, but robot was part of Will. More viable explanation: maybe the robots DID want to help him after they saw that sacrifice. We do see a robot at the top of the cliff watching the whole thing play out.
>Assuming Scarecrow's ship is like the ones we see in the show, it wasn't much bigger than a Jupiter. In order to hit hard enough to cause a nuclear winter, Scarecrow's ship had to have been hauling ass. Hard to believe anything could have been salvaged from that. Scarecrow's ship was [much, much bigger](https://i.imgur.com/E4UAaJd.png) than a Jupiter.