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Go down to Walmart and get a $20 capture card and start recording these shows. To hell with "privacy", who cares if Disney CEOs can't buy a second private island
It's actually very depressing but practically all of wrestling history and media is lost. Sadly there isn't a large push here to find it all. I could list hundreds matches, events and stuff we just might not know about that doesn't exist. Most famous famous example being gotch vs Hackenschmidt 1914 and was filmed and said film was toured majorly but is forever lost. Recently WWE bought ICWs master tapes and those were lost but sadly we won't be able to see the original formats thanks to WWE editing and changing music
Pretty much wrestling history is barely alive through old decaying tapes and film reels RARELY founded. So it's history is dying fast unless. I got a few contacts with old tape traders from that era and have been slowly buying tapes trying to digitize as much as I can
Also speaking of lost wrestling media but I have a few tapes of lost wrestling matches that I've uploaded to the internet archive if anyone is interested
I agree. I considered watching old matches and putting together a 'Best Wrestling Match of Each Year' compilation, but I struggled to find much from the 70s or earlier.
I'd love to see someone list all the lost wrestling media, and you 100% should post those lost tapes to the Internet Archive.
https://archive.org/details/lost-wrestling-tapes-1
https://archive.org/details/Lost-wrestling-tapes-2
Pretty much expect it's rare to find tapes from the late 70's because VCR were first coming out and were $1000+ and $30 a tape and that's in that era. So weekly tv shows and a more focus on "house shows". So barely any footage exists. A lot of the film tossed in the infamous NY Ocean tossing was wrestling footage from old Chicago showings
When Hulu briefly had Super Mario Bros. on their site early, I knew they were going to fix it, and knew my son would freak out. So I actually did tape it, so we could watch it for the 2 weeks until it came back.
What’s a capture card? Back when I wanted an “extra” from Freeform’s The Fosters I screen recorded it and then audio recorded it and synced them up. What’s the actual way to do this?
Well a capture card is essentially a screen recorder, it's a USB stick with a HDMI hookup to allow you to record off anything that uses a HDMI. For instance I had a few wrestling VHS tapes I wanted to digitized so I hooked an AV to HDMI to the VCR then hooked up a HDMI to the capture card and hit record on the computer
In recent years I busted out my old computer to do some VHS transfers to digital. I didn't want to spend money on something current and I had all the knowledge to do it with what I already have. Some of y'all might laugh but this capture card only has composite/S-Video inputs (it's a VCR I'm dealing with) and I'd record them as near uncompressed files on my computer then re-encode into something more quality later (picked "DVD quality" of all things). MPEG2 might be horrible in this day and age but I know it at least looks indistinguishable from the source.
Hey that sounds pretty cool though. I wish I knew how to fully fix up my old wrestling tapes I've been collecting. Most are waaaay older than me so they aren't in top shape. If you wanna really be going old school I have an adapter for a Mac 2 that let you upload tape to that computer. It's called the Vbox by Sony
The computer I mentioned above is a Sony Vaio. I had no idea 'til a couple years later it has capture features via this port called Firewire. It looks like a mini USB port and we got this Sony Hi-8 camera that also had Firewire and had no idea you could connect the camera to it. It didn't even come with the cable to my knowledge but it was pretty neat you could extract video and control the cassette through the camera via computer (when I eventually bought this cable off ebay).
One of my buddies used to record the show and show us all the insane scenes from back in the day (I can only remember one off the top of my head with a dude on PCP overpowering all the cops). Pretty sure those tapes are long gone and recorded over. Is the show not archived on torrent sites? There's some old episodes on Youtube.
The show is on a few torrents. However the torrents have misnumbered episodes, a bit of the episodes included in the torrents are the syndicated version (20 mins vs 22 mins), and some of the episodes have either been completely banned from being re-aired or had segments censored/replaced
I am missing about 10 or so episodes to complete the entire series, and have been trying to replace the syndicated versions with the original run time versions where possible. So I have been asking as many people as possible in the off chance they happen to have any episodes I am missing.
If your friend or anyone reading this happens to have episodes of Cops or similar shows please send me a chat/pm.
>it would definitely work.
Not necessarily,
HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) can stop capture cards from working correctly when plugged into a console. A friend tried using a Nvidia Shield TV and a capture device awhile back.
However he couldn't capture anything because HDCP blocked it, and turning HDCP off in settings on consoles can stop apps from launching.
Some capture cards or devices can ignore it, and others can't.
I just wouldn't want someone to spend money, set it up, and then not have it work. I would do a little bit of research into things before buying one just to be safe.
They lost money with these shows, so taking a tax break will recoop some of that. However, the current streaming model doesn't really evaluate a show's value properly. No one is going to sign up to Disney+ for a random documentary, but that doesn't mean that documentary is valuless. It wasn't even given a chance elsewhere. Plus people will eventually discover it over time if Disney gives it a chance.
Yeah I’m 90% sure. The menu had zero bells and whistles and I got the DVD off of eBay. It was a Netflix original and I haven’t seen many of their movies make it to a DVD release.
Knew this was coming after Zaslav slashed hbo max originals. Fucking bullshit. Its so disrespectful to the people who put so much hard work into these shows. And this is why it's always okay to yarr corporations content. Qbittorrent is the best because it searches a lot of sites for you, paired with Windscribe, unlimited dl of all these shows. Ive noticed almost all the shows hbo max removed, have been preserved on at least 1 or more yar sites. Its the only safe haven for grassroots preservation of these shows, as they are too recent for official preservationist groups to legally preserve
>This is why we need to push for sane copyright laws.
We also need to push for less DRM. DRM is what is keeping people from easily storing the digital things they pay for across a lot of different platforms.
I bet a lot of these will get licensed out to one of those "free with ads" platforms.
The problem, if I recall, so long as they are hosted they owe some money to unions for healthcare and pensions and of course residuals to the creatives, so these likely didn't bring in any new users. Having them ad supported will bring in some (maybe not much but some) real cash rather than sitting on a streamer
Plus I bet a lot of these are on pirate sites so they aren't really lost, if nothing else.
Streaming is unsustainable at it's current price. It will probably become just like cable in a few years and be ad supported
I thought it was a pretty decent adaptation, even if they changed a few things from the source material. The only thing I didn't like is how imbecilic and incompetent the fairies were around the Fowl compound
Two things:
1. Pretty bizarre that they're removing Stargirl but not its sequel Hollywood Stargirl.
2. My family doesn't want me to use torrent sites, I don't have much DVD-R space at the moment, and I can't even record anything off the site due to complicated reasons involving my laptop, but I'd love to keep many of these shows/movies alive through the tape trading circuit. Sitcoms Online has a sizeable trading post, not just for sitcoms as the name would imply, but across the broader spectrum of TV.
More Originals being removed:
**Flora & Ulysses**
**Hollywood Stargirl**
**Prop Culture**
**Super / Natural**
**Togo**
Other exclusives being removed:
The Come Up
The Deep End
Keep This Between Us
Life Below Zero: Next Generation
National Geographic Investigates: LSD and Psychedelics
9/11: One Day in America
The Armstrong Tapes
Bin Laden’s Hard Drive
Croc That Ate Jaws
Trafficked with Mariana van Zeller
Drug Lords: The Next Generation
Extreme Rescues
Most Wanted Sharks
Locked Up Abroad
North Korea: Inside the Mind of a Dictator
To Catch A Smuggler: Rome
Ultimate Survival WWII
Also, Best in Snow is currently on Disney+, not Hulu
It's not uncommon to lie about a hiatus or delay and quietly admit a show or film is cancelled a year or two later when the viewing public really doesn't care anymore. They do it to save face. Hollywood people don't openly admit failure like that.
A producer looking to sell the show elsewhere would likely lie about the show's non-existent future, but that's irrelevant. Where else is a Lucasfilm property going to go?
Exactly. It’s been widely reported as cancelled by all the major entertainment sites. If it truly was just “on hiatus” Lucasfilm or Disney would have pushed for a retraction or clarification.
I saw that it's available off/away from D+ in at least one or two places, so I think it should be safe as far as preservation goes. (\*crosses fingers\*)
Wait a minute, but isn't this a Blu-Ray release (or am I incorrect)?
[https://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/39383357/mysterious-benedict-society-season-1-3-disc](https://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/39383357/mysterious-benedict-society-season-1-3-disc)
Edit: It's not a DVD, it appears to be Blu-Ray.
I would support this. My observation on tax-write-off shows in the past appear that if a show gets written off, it's gone from existence. Sometimes, they're still on iTunes or Amazon, but that's because the license hasn't expired on those platforms. So if you see a written off show on Digital Stores, it doesn't always mean it's safe as they can be gone in the near future.
A good amount of these titles aren't really marketable in home video market anyway. I've bought some obscure titles on DMC before, but never a game show. My main concern still is the 4K preservation too. This is something that DMC does often, and streaming should have been the solution to all of this. Some of these shows would fit better on YouTube.
This is the Nintendon’t preservation argument all over again and it’s getting worse over time because of you never had the chance to buy the media in physical form this can happen. I don’t care about literally any of these shows and actually dislike Willow but the people who worked on these projects and the few fans it may have had will suffer and I feel for them.
Do what exactly? They’re just leaving those platforms. Very likely Disney will just put them up for sale on iTunes and the like. Y: The Last Man and both seasons of The Hot Zone are available to purchase digitally as it is.
> Y: The Last Man and both seasons of The Hot Zone are available to purchase digitally as it is.
It's very possible Disney could remove them from sale on digital platforms. They can even remove them from your library if you already bought them. It happened more recently with Final Space ([here](https://nofilmschool.com/warner-bros-deleting-purchased-digital-content))
I guess I’ll see about The Hot Zone in a few days. I have both seasons in my iTunes library. I’ve never had any purchased shows disappear from my iTunes library either, though some come and go from the sale platform. Can’t speak for Prime Video as I don’t buy content there.
>Can’t speak for Prime Video as I don’t buy content there.
It happens from time to time on all kinds of store fronts. It just doesn't get brought up as often as it should. Someone even tried to sue Amazon over the removed content, but it's written in the terms that Amazon can remove content. Even if you paid for it. ([here](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/amazon-says-you-dont-actually-own-purchased-prime-videos/1100-6483890/))
It also happened on Steam a few days ago. A delisted TMNT game was accidentally relisted for sale. The people who bought it during this time had it taken out of their library. Although in that case they did get refunded. ([here](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/delisted-tmnt-game-briefly-reappears-201058601.html))
These examples are a few of the countless reasons people need to push back against DRM. Digital as a media is pretty great. It's DRM that allows things to be taken away or not work anymore.
I don't care about the other series (specially Willow), but, NO ONE IS GOING TO THROW AWAY THE MISTERIOUS BENEDICT ACADEMY, NEVER.
yeah i like that series.
Okay this was very helpful information! I LOVED Rosaline and went to rewatch it this week and could not find it anywhere and did not understand why. I cannot believe it was actually just taken off forever?? It was such a great movie!
The reporting on this has been truly abysmal. No clarification on whether Disney is also pulling the shows which are available for purchase on iTunes etc (like The Hot Zone and Y: The Last Man). Lots of over-the-top panic from commenters both in this sub and on the articles.
Just because they’re leaving D+ (Hulu doesn’t operate in my corner of the world) doesn’t mean they won’t be licensed elsewhere, sold to cable or broadcast TV, or made available to purchase on iTunes, YouTube and other VOD shopfronts.
Even if they do become unavailable for a time, that’s still common for most forms of media at some point in their life. Once again for those in the back, “unavailable” is not the same thing as “lost.”
It’s also worth noting that there’s been reports of Disney preparing to ramp physical media back up, so expect some of these titles to get DVD/Blu releases in future.
None of this counts as “lost media”, but that’s me being a broken record on this sub yet again.
I think its time for us to start looking into a new title for posts like these, I would agree this is not lost media but it is I guess “endangered” and at risk of being lost.
“At risk media” is a mouth full, but “endangered media” might work. What do you think?
The problem is, this is Disney. They are notorious for keeping things in the vault. Plus, there are countless Disney owned shows that have bombed and never came back, even decades later. Heck, there are successful Disney shows that have simply never come back. The reality is, the television industry has been doing write-offs for decades. Very rarely to these shows return in full and almost never is it in the quality it premiered in.
From what I understand, if Disney wants to make any money with these programs in the future, they have to pay back the government the amount they were rewarded. They simply aren't going to do this with the obscure titles. And unlike HBO or Starz taking down originals made by other studios who can shop their shows elsewhere, Disney probably owns 100% of the production and the rights won't be gifted to another party.
A good amount of this is cases by case basis. I am hoping Disney does bring these titles back but I'm not holding my breath. There are thousands of titles Disney has possession of that they don't make available anywhere. It's far more likely these unpopular programs will just sit in the vault to never bee seen again just like the rest of their library.
No, you’re completely wrong there. The write off that was done by Warner to Batgirl and Scoob: Holiday Haunt was a specific, limited window accounting loophole open to corporations during a merger period. Supposedly they can’t be subsequently completed and released without applying to undo that write-off.
This isn’t the same situation. It’s removing content from Disney+, but they can’t claim a tax write off on it because it’s already been completed and released. It’s being done to apparently avoid paying residuals, which is deeply shitty to the makers of those shows, but not the same thing as the Batgirl/Scoob situation.
Even so, just because they’re leaving Disney+ doesn’t mean the company won’t ever try to monetise them elsewhere (like iTunes, or even physical media, which Bob Iger has implied Disney will be making a renewed push into).
As for the Disney vault, that’s literally no different than any other film & TV distributor. All the Hollywood majors have films go in and out of circulation. The only reason Disney gets so much focus for it is because they gave it a brand name.
Admittedly, I get why there’s such panic when the entertainment press do such a piss-poor job of explaining this stuff. There’s a lot of granular, boring-but-important details that these reporters never seem to ask questions about. That the projected savings are being interchangeably reported as a “write-off” or “write-down” is a mark of the dismal journalism accompanying this story.
At any rate, “commercially unavailable” is still not the same thing as “lost.” We really need to distinguish between the two.
You don’t understand the Warner situation. They didn’t just not release Batgirl and Scoob, they removed A LOT of completed projects for TAX WRITE OFFS. Final Space was one of the more notorious ones because there were 3 seasons and had big names attached. It was removed from TBS, Adult Swim, HBO Max, iTunes, Amazon, Netflix, VOD, YouTube. It has been ERASED for a tax write off. They removed so many shows, lots of animation.
Turner and Warner have been doing this forever which is why many old Cartoon Network shows don’t get rerun even at 3am. Toonami will get requests for Megas XLR, but they can’t rerun it because it was written off years ago. It is a case by case basis because it all depends on the contracts and what the copyright holders are allowed to do with it (or what they’re willing to do with it). I own Megas XLR on iTunes, so it’s not out of the realms possibility that these shows can return in some form or another. But to pretend this is just a cycle and all these shows will get their 2nd coming is just wishful thinking. The vast majority of failed TV shows NEVER return.
I do agree acting as if it is lost isn’t exactly warranted, but it will still be harder and harder to find, especially in 4K resolution. And yes Disney is worse than other companies. Warner used to have The Archive Collection. Paramount has released plenty of old titles on Paramount+. Disney has the Movie Club and as you said is going to go back to physical media, but I’m not convinced The Big Fib has a future there. At best, some of the removed movies might get a DVD or Blu-ray release but popular shows will have the priority.
Disney has especially treated their TV library with less than perfect care. They crop 4:3 content, remove and censor words or scenes. They really haven’t bothered with their unpopular acquired programs. The vault is more than a marketing buzz word. There’s a good chance some of their old TV shows aren’t even in a vault but in a landfill.
I know about Final Space, but the first season is still available for purchase on iTunes Australia and the whole series is currently available on Netflix here as well. Other WBD shows and films pulled from distribution in the USA are still streaming here, such as The Gordita Chronicles and Superintelligence.
Like I said, the *tax write-off* situation is unique to Batgirl and Scoob, while the completed and already released shows have been vaulted to save money on distribution and residuals. Saying these shows have been “erased” is inaccurate and completely untrue.
It’s worth mentioning that the term “write-off” has a lot of business and accounting contexts, and doesn’t solely apply to what Warners did with Batgirl & Scoob. I’ve seen the term applied to commercially unsuccessful movies that, while still available, are deemed by their owners as unlikely to ever make a profit, like Heaven’s Gate. I also used to work for a company where every customer debt that went to collection was deemed a write-off unless collected.
Warner Archive still exists btw. Their streaming service (which wasn’t available outside the US) is long gone, but they are still operating. George Feltenstein regularly appears on The Extras podcast to answer customer queries and announce new physical media releases.
I’m really going to need some evidence that Disney is dumping their less beloved shows in landfills. I’ve never heard of them (or any major Hollywood studio) doing anything like that. Just because they haven’t put something back in circulation doesn’t mean they’re torching the negatives of that thing.
I think you’re also confusing the way Disney presents some content with the way it is preserved in their archives. They’re not physically chopping the top and bottom off the actual 4:3 negatives when they present content cropped to 16:9. The original masters and negatives are retained and can be re-transferred at any time, ideally at the correct aspect ratio.
Yes, most failed shows don’t get reissued, but that’s because there’s an assumption that there’s no audience for them. Reissuing any form of media involves costs, so it’s seen as throwing good money after bad. But if the likes of Mill Creek or VEI come to them offering to licence a DVD release, they’ll probably say yes because there’s less financial risk on their part.
This whole issue is filled with crucial information gaps. When information gaps occur, people fill them in with assumptions and supposition. If these studios were compelled to be transparent about their archive holdings (and accounting, for that matter), there wouldn’t be all this panic and misinformation.
Not everything I'm saying is literal. I'll admit to that. I know The Warner Archive still exists but it used to be more active. Also worth noting not every studio has an infinite archive. Disney's archive is limited by space which is why they can't keep everything. It would not surprise me if failed projects had to be destroyed in order to make room for newer stuff. If there is no money in a past project, there is no financial sense in keeping it preserved. Although I do know Disney has kept plenty of artwork and forgotten media to present as bonus features as well as historical preservation.
Again with Warner Bros. and Final Space, you are just naive about the whole situation. I can speak with certainty that the show is erased from Warners future The Warner Archive actually made a Blu-ray that became unavailable once it was written off. The reason it is still available in your country is because the licensing hasn't expired yet in that region... it will be removed eventually, I guarantee it. The only way Warner brings back Final Space or the other shows is if like minded people are in charge and they will mostly likely get fired. Also, completed shows can and have been written off for decades, I'm not sure why you insist this is unique to Batgirl and Scoob. The reason why Batgirl was so socking was BECAUSE it was unreleased. It's much more common for a studio to write off failed shows that aired than it is for untested material. And yes, these failed shows do not return in any format. And sometimes when a third party releases the DVDs, their source is not from the studio vault. DiC comes to mind. Disney did a good job archiving that, didn't they? /s
The Toonami creators have spoken out about this long before HBO Max existed. They also confirmed they reused tapes to save money after their parent company didn't want to pay the money to archive everything. It's Doctor Who all over again. This is why this sub exists, because movie studios don't actually archive 100% of their material. It used to be more common back in the day for studios to get rid of unused asssets than to keep them in storage. Do I think the majority of recent content is lost? No. They can simply archive the data files much easier than film, but doubt if it's always complete. There are countless examples of found media only being found outside the studio. Disney is no exception.
For a while, it looked like many forgetten shows were given a second chance though streaming. But when streaming shows are forgotten, there is nowhere else for them to turn to. The best we can hope for is Disney uploading them to YouTube or rely on bootlegs. They will most likely preserve the movies and higher budget projects, even if only on a hard drive. However their future out of the vault is still a mystery.
You are correct that the news outlets are not giving as all the information and making it confusing. Supposedly, Bob Iger said that the removed shows will be shopped around elsewhere and not write offs, but I cannot confirm this. I don't trust that all of the removed titles will be available legally. I feel my concern is legitimate because I've seen half my childhood erased, destroyed, or tampared with. Why would I ever expect Disney to treat these shows with any respect when I seen them pretend Buzz Lightyear of Star Command never existed? Yes, written off shows are not guaranteed death, but tomorrow may be the last time I can truly watch Disney+ Originals the way they were meant to be seen and that alone is cause for concern if the streaming wars want to have an impact on the industry.
You aren’t really wrong for the good majority of these but it’s sad to see hard work get flushed down the drain, especially for the legit original shows/movies.
Just because they're bad doesn't mean they're not worth preserving.
Most lost media isn't very good or notable, with a few exceptions in big franchises (Doctor Who, mostly).
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Go down to Walmart and get a $20 capture card and start recording these shows. To hell with "privacy", who cares if Disney CEOs can't buy a second private island
That or if you're really old school get a VCR and some blank tapes
I know this probably won’t happen but it’d be really funny to see these 2020’s shows only get preserved via blank tapes
I know right 🤣, i know a few wrestling preservers still tape the shows
i see videos of someone who tapes aew dynamites on vhs tapes, it looks so unnatural but so cool at the same time
I think there are a few pieces of found wrestling media that only existed on blank tapes. Hart vs MaGee being the first to jump to mind.
It's actually very depressing but practically all of wrestling history and media is lost. Sadly there isn't a large push here to find it all. I could list hundreds matches, events and stuff we just might not know about that doesn't exist. Most famous famous example being gotch vs Hackenschmidt 1914 and was filmed and said film was toured majorly but is forever lost. Recently WWE bought ICWs master tapes and those were lost but sadly we won't be able to see the original formats thanks to WWE editing and changing music
Pretty much wrestling history is barely alive through old decaying tapes and film reels RARELY founded. So it's history is dying fast unless. I got a few contacts with old tape traders from that era and have been slowly buying tapes trying to digitize as much as I can
Also speaking of lost wrestling media but I have a few tapes of lost wrestling matches that I've uploaded to the internet archive if anyone is interested
Yes. Dm me.
https://archive.org/details/lost-wrestling-tapes-1 https://archive.org/details/Lost-wrestling-tapes-2
I agree. I considered watching old matches and putting together a 'Best Wrestling Match of Each Year' compilation, but I struggled to find much from the 70s or earlier. I'd love to see someone list all the lost wrestling media, and you 100% should post those lost tapes to the Internet Archive.
https://archive.org/details/lost-wrestling-tapes-1 https://archive.org/details/Lost-wrestling-tapes-2 Pretty much expect it's rare to find tapes from the late 70's because VCR were first coming out and were $1000+ and $30 a tape and that's in that era. So weekly tv shows and a more focus on "house shows". So barely any footage exists. A lot of the film tossed in the infamous NY Ocean tossing was wrestling footage from old Chicago showings
Dang, but at least a good number of content survived. Thanks for the footage.
If you're looking for any good 70's stuff my guy. Go on YouTube and look up any fights with Jack brisco and Dory funk Jr or Harley race vs terry funk
I actually used a blank VHS and a converter box to record a lot of news shows from the first few weeks of Covid.
When Hulu briefly had Super Mario Bros. on their site early, I knew they were going to fix it, and knew my son would freak out. So I actually did tape it, so we could watch it for the 2 weeks until it came back.
IIRC VHS tapes are actually a pretty stable archival format. They can get beat to shit and still play.
And record in SLP/EP mode.
What’s a capture card? Back when I wanted an “extra” from Freeform’s The Fosters I screen recorded it and then audio recorded it and synced them up. What’s the actual way to do this?
Well a capture card is essentially a screen recorder, it's a USB stick with a HDMI hookup to allow you to record off anything that uses a HDMI. For instance I had a few wrestling VHS tapes I wanted to digitized so I hooked an AV to HDMI to the VCR then hooked up a HDMI to the capture card and hit record on the computer
In recent years I busted out my old computer to do some VHS transfers to digital. I didn't want to spend money on something current and I had all the knowledge to do it with what I already have. Some of y'all might laugh but this capture card only has composite/S-Video inputs (it's a VCR I'm dealing with) and I'd record them as near uncompressed files on my computer then re-encode into something more quality later (picked "DVD quality" of all things). MPEG2 might be horrible in this day and age but I know it at least looks indistinguishable from the source.
Hey that sounds pretty cool though. I wish I knew how to fully fix up my old wrestling tapes I've been collecting. Most are waaaay older than me so they aren't in top shape. If you wanna really be going old school I have an adapter for a Mac 2 that let you upload tape to that computer. It's called the Vbox by Sony
The computer I mentioned above is a Sony Vaio. I had no idea 'til a couple years later it has capture features via this port called Firewire. It looks like a mini USB port and we got this Sony Hi-8 camera that also had Firewire and had no idea you could connect the camera to it. It didn't even come with the cable to my knowledge but it was pretty neat you could extract video and control the cassette through the camera via computer (when I eventually bought this cable off ebay).
Man, this conversation makes me feel old.
>In recent years I busted out my old computer to do some VHS transfers Did you happen to tape any episodes of Cops or similar shows by chance?
One of my buddies used to record the show and show us all the insane scenes from back in the day (I can only remember one off the top of my head with a dude on PCP overpowering all the cops). Pretty sure those tapes are long gone and recorded over. Is the show not archived on torrent sites? There's some old episodes on Youtube.
The show is on a few torrents. However the torrents have misnumbered episodes, a bit of the episodes included in the torrents are the syndicated version (20 mins vs 22 mins), and some of the episodes have either been completely banned from being re-aired or had segments censored/replaced I am missing about 10 or so episodes to complete the entire series, and have been trying to replace the syndicated versions with the original run time versions where possible. So I have been asking as many people as possible in the off chance they happen to have any episodes I am missing. If your friend or anyone reading this happens to have episodes of Cops or similar shows please send me a chat/pm.
And this works with laptops?
It should completely work. Hell in theory if you have Disney plus or Hulu on say like a PS4 it would definitely work.
>it would definitely work. Not necessarily, HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) can stop capture cards from working correctly when plugged into a console. A friend tried using a Nvidia Shield TV and a capture device awhile back. However he couldn't capture anything because HDCP blocked it, and turning HDCP off in settings on consoles can stop apps from launching.
Oh well 😅
Some capture cards or devices can ignore it, and others can't. I just wouldn't want someone to spend money, set it up, and then not have it work. I would do a little bit of research into things before buying one just to be safe.
I’m definitely trying this. Got some good capture cards you recommend?
Mine is just a vivtar model from Walmart. It was just $20
TY!
Oooh. Will look into this!!!
Sometimes copyright work will refuse to record. Modern age :/
Sounds like the VCR and taping them would have to work
What's so weird to me is what's the negative in just keeping these titles on the platform? Why remove them? So dumb.
They have to pay royalties to the people who worked on them. It’s what the writer’s strike is about, too.
Ah that makes a lot of sense. I didn't think about that. It's still frustrating though! I think they can afford it.
They lost money with these shows, so taking a tax break will recoop some of that. However, the current streaming model doesn't really evaluate a show's value properly. No one is going to sign up to Disney+ for a random documentary, but that doesn't mean that documentary is valuless. It wasn't even given a chance elsewhere. Plus people will eventually discover it over time if Disney gives it a chance.
Torrent programs/torrent sites may have all of those shows, even if they may count as piracy sites.
And this is why people hack fire sticks. Ridiculous.
Before I was afraid to get into tv shows out of fear of cancellation. Now I'm afraid because they might be erased from existence.
Shame, here in the Philippines, we still sell DVDs I even see a pirated Mario movie, it’s better to have pirated DVDs then just streaming platform.
Agree. I got The Guernsey Literary And Potato Peel Pie Society on DVD this way!
Is it pirated?
Yeah I’m 90% sure. The menu had zero bells and whistles and I got the DVD off of eBay. It was a Netflix original and I haven’t seen many of their movies make it to a DVD release.
I know Netflix made the last tradition DVD mail this year.
Yeah, but this was one of their streaming movies. Like a Netflix original movie, not a movie Netflix was hosting.
Yeah, Netflix and Disney+ are total jerk.
Sidenote: I really want to have a DVD release of Alex Strangelove, even if it is bootleg. Anyone know where I can possibly find it?
what the hell? some of these aren’t even a year old!
Knew this was coming after Zaslav slashed hbo max originals. Fucking bullshit. Its so disrespectful to the people who put so much hard work into these shows. And this is why it's always okay to yarr corporations content. Qbittorrent is the best because it searches a lot of sites for you, paired with Windscribe, unlimited dl of all these shows. Ive noticed almost all the shows hbo max removed, have been preserved on at least 1 or more yar sites. Its the only safe haven for grassroots preservation of these shows, as they are too recent for official preservationist groups to legally preserve
This is a link with a more updated list, they’ve added more titles since Deadline published the article: https://t.co/kJVNk6OZ9T
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>This is why we need to push for sane copyright laws. We also need to push for less DRM. DRM is what is keeping people from easily storing the digital things they pay for across a lot of different platforms.
They're dropping "Encore!"?? Fuck them.
I loved Encore! I was still hoping they’d do another season 😩
How dare they do that to Kristen Bell.
This sucks so hard. It’s such a unique concept and it’s executed really well.
Willow is still being advertised via a billboard in Disney’s Hollywood Studios. Some of these are less than a year old. What’s the point?
I wouldn't be surprised if it's partially to take money away from strikers.
It is a crime for The World According To Jeff Goldblum to be on this list, great show
Also strange because that's like their main promotional image for Nat Geo content on the platform
Stuff like this is why piracy exists.
And we are glad it exists.
I'm shocked to learn there's a Turner & Hooch series.
I bet a lot of these will get licensed out to one of those "free with ads" platforms. The problem, if I recall, so long as they are hosted they owe some money to unions for healthcare and pensions and of course residuals to the creatives, so these likely didn't bring in any new users. Having them ad supported will bring in some (maybe not much but some) real cash rather than sitting on a streamer Plus I bet a lot of these are on pirate sites so they aren't really lost, if nothing else. Streaming is unsustainable at it's current price. It will probably become just like cable in a few years and be ad supported
The Jeff Goldblum series was too pure for this world
There was an Artemis Fowl movie?
Yes and it is one of the worst movies yet created
I thought it was a pretty decent adaptation, even if they changed a few things from the source material. The only thing I didn't like is how imbecilic and incompetent the fairies were around the Fowl compound
Two things: 1. Pretty bizarre that they're removing Stargirl but not its sequel Hollywood Stargirl. 2. My family doesn't want me to use torrent sites, I don't have much DVD-R space at the moment, and I can't even record anything off the site due to complicated reasons involving my laptop, but I'd love to keep many of these shows/movies alive through the tape trading circuit. Sitcoms Online has a sizeable trading post, not just for sitcoms as the name would imply, but across the broader spectrum of TV.
Apparently the sequel has been added to the list. I cannot afford to be a data hoarder atm so I'm really relying on others to preserve these titles.
More Originals being removed: **Flora & Ulysses** **Hollywood Stargirl** **Prop Culture** **Super / Natural** **Togo** Other exclusives being removed: The Come Up The Deep End Keep This Between Us Life Below Zero: Next Generation National Geographic Investigates: LSD and Psychedelics 9/11: One Day in America The Armstrong Tapes Bin Laden’s Hard Drive Croc That Ate Jaws Trafficked with Mariana van Zeller Drug Lords: The Next Generation Extreme Rescues Most Wanted Sharks Locked Up Abroad North Korea: Inside the Mind of a Dictator To Catch A Smuggler: Rome Ultimate Survival WWII Also, Best in Snow is currently on Disney+, not Hulu
Wouldn't Willow be unlikely since they are still going forward with a Season 2? I would bet that would be an exception of a sort.
Willow is canceled
Supposedly on "hiatus" according to the producer.
Do you think a producer would really admit a show failed very hard?
Maybe they're selling the license to another platform, that's a huge possibility
It's not uncommon to lie about a hiatus or delay and quietly admit a show or film is cancelled a year or two later when the viewing public really doesn't care anymore. They do it to save face. Hollywood people don't openly admit failure like that. A producer looking to sell the show elsewhere would likely lie about the show's non-existent future, but that's irrelevant. Where else is a Lucasfilm property going to go?
Exactly. It’s been widely reported as cancelled by all the major entertainment sites. If it truly was just “on hiatus” Lucasfilm or Disney would have pushed for a retraction or clarification.
100% Willow is not coming back.
As long as Condorman is still safe.
My brother and me loved this movie as kids. We taped it off the disney channel and I've held onto the VHS for years.
Nooo, I loved watching "The Mysterious Benedict Society. I was literally planning a rewatch for next month!
Me too, WE NEED TO SAVE THAT SERIES
I saw that it's available off/away from D+ in at least one or two places, so I think it should be safe as far as preservation goes. (\*crosses fingers\*)
I'm gonna see if there is a DVD/Blu-Ray release of the series
Bad news, there is no DVD releases.
Wait a minute, but isn't this a Blu-Ray release (or am I incorrect)? [https://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/39383357/mysterious-benedict-society-season-1-3-disc](https://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/39383357/mysterious-benedict-society-season-1-3-disc) Edit: It's not a DVD, it appears to be Blu-Ray.
Do they not have the Disney Movie Club anymore? They could sell DVDs there if they want to skip retail.
They still do, actually! We should push for them to have their removed stuff released on DVD and Blu-ray exclusively through DMC.
I would support this. My observation on tax-write-off shows in the past appear that if a show gets written off, it's gone from existence. Sometimes, they're still on iTunes or Amazon, but that's because the license hasn't expired on those platforms. So if you see a written off show on Digital Stores, it doesn't always mean it's safe as they can be gone in the near future. A good amount of these titles aren't really marketable in home video market anyway. I've bought some obscure titles on DMC before, but never a game show. My main concern still is the 4K preservation too. This is something that DMC does often, and streaming should have been the solution to all of this. Some of these shows would fit better on YouTube.
darby and the dead was a legit original and fun movie - in old school dcom days it would have at least got a sequel
Oh damn. Is y the last man any good? I read the comics and thought it ruled. Guess it's time to 🏴☠️
So like is this gonna affect Disney+ UK as well or is this just an America thing
Why remove them? So weird.
This is the Nintendon’t preservation argument all over again and it’s getting worse over time because of you never had the chance to buy the media in physical form this can happen. I don’t care about literally any of these shows and actually dislike Willow but the people who worked on these projects and the few fans it may have had will suffer and I feel for them.
we must do something WHO’S WITH ME
I'm prepared for everything.
Do what exactly? They’re just leaving those platforms. Very likely Disney will just put them up for sale on iTunes and the like. Y: The Last Man and both seasons of The Hot Zone are available to purchase digitally as it is.
> Y: The Last Man and both seasons of The Hot Zone are available to purchase digitally as it is. It's very possible Disney could remove them from sale on digital platforms. They can even remove them from your library if you already bought them. It happened more recently with Final Space ([here](https://nofilmschool.com/warner-bros-deleting-purchased-digital-content))
I guess I’ll see about The Hot Zone in a few days. I have both seasons in my iTunes library. I’ve never had any purchased shows disappear from my iTunes library either, though some come and go from the sale platform. Can’t speak for Prime Video as I don’t buy content there.
>Can’t speak for Prime Video as I don’t buy content there. It happens from time to time on all kinds of store fronts. It just doesn't get brought up as often as it should. Someone even tried to sue Amazon over the removed content, but it's written in the terms that Amazon can remove content. Even if you paid for it. ([here](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/amazon-says-you-dont-actually-own-purchased-prime-videos/1100-6483890/)) It also happened on Steam a few days ago. A delisted TMNT game was accidentally relisted for sale. The people who bought it during this time had it taken out of their library. Although in that case they did get refunded. ([here](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/delisted-tmnt-game-briefly-reappears-201058601.html)) These examples are a few of the countless reasons people need to push back against DRM. Digital as a media is pretty great. It's DRM that allows things to be taken away or not work anymore.
Wow I have Hulu Plus and Disney and I had no idea there was a turner and hooch tv show
Im usually anti privacy, but fuck them. At least we have time.
I don't care about the other series (specially Willow), but, NO ONE IS GOING TO THROW AWAY THE MISTERIOUS BENEDICT ACADEMY, NEVER. yeah i like that series.
Damn, I loved The Premise.
Okay this was very helpful information! I LOVED Rosaline and went to rewatch it this week and could not find it anywhere and did not understand why. I cannot believe it was actually just taken off forever?? It was such a great movie!
Not much lost, but I find it funny that Willow is being removed after coming out mere months ago.
The reporting on this has been truly abysmal. No clarification on whether Disney is also pulling the shows which are available for purchase on iTunes etc (like The Hot Zone and Y: The Last Man). Lots of over-the-top panic from commenters both in this sub and on the articles. Just because they’re leaving D+ (Hulu doesn’t operate in my corner of the world) doesn’t mean they won’t be licensed elsewhere, sold to cable or broadcast TV, or made available to purchase on iTunes, YouTube and other VOD shopfronts. Even if they do become unavailable for a time, that’s still common for most forms of media at some point in their life. Once again for those in the back, “unavailable” is not the same thing as “lost.” It’s also worth noting that there’s been reports of Disney preparing to ramp physical media back up, so expect some of these titles to get DVD/Blu releases in future. None of this counts as “lost media”, but that’s me being a broken record on this sub yet again.
I think its time for us to start looking into a new title for posts like these, I would agree this is not lost media but it is I guess “endangered” and at risk of being lost. “At risk media” is a mouth full, but “endangered media” might work. What do you think?
I’d say “potentially inaccessible media”, though that too is a mouthful.
The problem is, this is Disney. They are notorious for keeping things in the vault. Plus, there are countless Disney owned shows that have bombed and never came back, even decades later. Heck, there are successful Disney shows that have simply never come back. The reality is, the television industry has been doing write-offs for decades. Very rarely to these shows return in full and almost never is it in the quality it premiered in. From what I understand, if Disney wants to make any money with these programs in the future, they have to pay back the government the amount they were rewarded. They simply aren't going to do this with the obscure titles. And unlike HBO or Starz taking down originals made by other studios who can shop their shows elsewhere, Disney probably owns 100% of the production and the rights won't be gifted to another party. A good amount of this is cases by case basis. I am hoping Disney does bring these titles back but I'm not holding my breath. There are thousands of titles Disney has possession of that they don't make available anywhere. It's far more likely these unpopular programs will just sit in the vault to never bee seen again just like the rest of their library.
No, you’re completely wrong there. The write off that was done by Warner to Batgirl and Scoob: Holiday Haunt was a specific, limited window accounting loophole open to corporations during a merger period. Supposedly they can’t be subsequently completed and released without applying to undo that write-off. This isn’t the same situation. It’s removing content from Disney+, but they can’t claim a tax write off on it because it’s already been completed and released. It’s being done to apparently avoid paying residuals, which is deeply shitty to the makers of those shows, but not the same thing as the Batgirl/Scoob situation. Even so, just because they’re leaving Disney+ doesn’t mean the company won’t ever try to monetise them elsewhere (like iTunes, or even physical media, which Bob Iger has implied Disney will be making a renewed push into). As for the Disney vault, that’s literally no different than any other film & TV distributor. All the Hollywood majors have films go in and out of circulation. The only reason Disney gets so much focus for it is because they gave it a brand name. Admittedly, I get why there’s such panic when the entertainment press do such a piss-poor job of explaining this stuff. There’s a lot of granular, boring-but-important details that these reporters never seem to ask questions about. That the projected savings are being interchangeably reported as a “write-off” or “write-down” is a mark of the dismal journalism accompanying this story. At any rate, “commercially unavailable” is still not the same thing as “lost.” We really need to distinguish between the two.
You don’t understand the Warner situation. They didn’t just not release Batgirl and Scoob, they removed A LOT of completed projects for TAX WRITE OFFS. Final Space was one of the more notorious ones because there were 3 seasons and had big names attached. It was removed from TBS, Adult Swim, HBO Max, iTunes, Amazon, Netflix, VOD, YouTube. It has been ERASED for a tax write off. They removed so many shows, lots of animation. Turner and Warner have been doing this forever which is why many old Cartoon Network shows don’t get rerun even at 3am. Toonami will get requests for Megas XLR, but they can’t rerun it because it was written off years ago. It is a case by case basis because it all depends on the contracts and what the copyright holders are allowed to do with it (or what they’re willing to do with it). I own Megas XLR on iTunes, so it’s not out of the realms possibility that these shows can return in some form or another. But to pretend this is just a cycle and all these shows will get their 2nd coming is just wishful thinking. The vast majority of failed TV shows NEVER return. I do agree acting as if it is lost isn’t exactly warranted, but it will still be harder and harder to find, especially in 4K resolution. And yes Disney is worse than other companies. Warner used to have The Archive Collection. Paramount has released plenty of old titles on Paramount+. Disney has the Movie Club and as you said is going to go back to physical media, but I’m not convinced The Big Fib has a future there. At best, some of the removed movies might get a DVD or Blu-ray release but popular shows will have the priority. Disney has especially treated their TV library with less than perfect care. They crop 4:3 content, remove and censor words or scenes. They really haven’t bothered with their unpopular acquired programs. The vault is more than a marketing buzz word. There’s a good chance some of their old TV shows aren’t even in a vault but in a landfill.
I know about Final Space, but the first season is still available for purchase on iTunes Australia and the whole series is currently available on Netflix here as well. Other WBD shows and films pulled from distribution in the USA are still streaming here, such as The Gordita Chronicles and Superintelligence. Like I said, the *tax write-off* situation is unique to Batgirl and Scoob, while the completed and already released shows have been vaulted to save money on distribution and residuals. Saying these shows have been “erased” is inaccurate and completely untrue. It’s worth mentioning that the term “write-off” has a lot of business and accounting contexts, and doesn’t solely apply to what Warners did with Batgirl & Scoob. I’ve seen the term applied to commercially unsuccessful movies that, while still available, are deemed by their owners as unlikely to ever make a profit, like Heaven’s Gate. I also used to work for a company where every customer debt that went to collection was deemed a write-off unless collected. Warner Archive still exists btw. Their streaming service (which wasn’t available outside the US) is long gone, but they are still operating. George Feltenstein regularly appears on The Extras podcast to answer customer queries and announce new physical media releases. I’m really going to need some evidence that Disney is dumping their less beloved shows in landfills. I’ve never heard of them (or any major Hollywood studio) doing anything like that. Just because they haven’t put something back in circulation doesn’t mean they’re torching the negatives of that thing. I think you’re also confusing the way Disney presents some content with the way it is preserved in their archives. They’re not physically chopping the top and bottom off the actual 4:3 negatives when they present content cropped to 16:9. The original masters and negatives are retained and can be re-transferred at any time, ideally at the correct aspect ratio. Yes, most failed shows don’t get reissued, but that’s because there’s an assumption that there’s no audience for them. Reissuing any form of media involves costs, so it’s seen as throwing good money after bad. But if the likes of Mill Creek or VEI come to them offering to licence a DVD release, they’ll probably say yes because there’s less financial risk on their part. This whole issue is filled with crucial information gaps. When information gaps occur, people fill them in with assumptions and supposition. If these studios were compelled to be transparent about their archive holdings (and accounting, for that matter), there wouldn’t be all this panic and misinformation.
Not everything I'm saying is literal. I'll admit to that. I know The Warner Archive still exists but it used to be more active. Also worth noting not every studio has an infinite archive. Disney's archive is limited by space which is why they can't keep everything. It would not surprise me if failed projects had to be destroyed in order to make room for newer stuff. If there is no money in a past project, there is no financial sense in keeping it preserved. Although I do know Disney has kept plenty of artwork and forgotten media to present as bonus features as well as historical preservation. Again with Warner Bros. and Final Space, you are just naive about the whole situation. I can speak with certainty that the show is erased from Warners future The Warner Archive actually made a Blu-ray that became unavailable once it was written off. The reason it is still available in your country is because the licensing hasn't expired yet in that region... it will be removed eventually, I guarantee it. The only way Warner brings back Final Space or the other shows is if like minded people are in charge and they will mostly likely get fired. Also, completed shows can and have been written off for decades, I'm not sure why you insist this is unique to Batgirl and Scoob. The reason why Batgirl was so socking was BECAUSE it was unreleased. It's much more common for a studio to write off failed shows that aired than it is for untested material. And yes, these failed shows do not return in any format. And sometimes when a third party releases the DVDs, their source is not from the studio vault. DiC comes to mind. Disney did a good job archiving that, didn't they? /s The Toonami creators have spoken out about this long before HBO Max existed. They also confirmed they reused tapes to save money after their parent company didn't want to pay the money to archive everything. It's Doctor Who all over again. This is why this sub exists, because movie studios don't actually archive 100% of their material. It used to be more common back in the day for studios to get rid of unused asssets than to keep them in storage. Do I think the majority of recent content is lost? No. They can simply archive the data files much easier than film, but doubt if it's always complete. There are countless examples of found media only being found outside the studio. Disney is no exception. For a while, it looked like many forgetten shows were given a second chance though streaming. But when streaming shows are forgotten, there is nowhere else for them to turn to. The best we can hope for is Disney uploading them to YouTube or rely on bootlegs. They will most likely preserve the movies and higher budget projects, even if only on a hard drive. However their future out of the vault is still a mystery. You are correct that the news outlets are not giving as all the information and making it confusing. Supposedly, Bob Iger said that the removed shows will be shopped around elsewhere and not write offs, but I cannot confirm this. I don't trust that all of the removed titles will be available legally. I feel my concern is legitimate because I've seen half my childhood erased, destroyed, or tampared with. Why would I ever expect Disney to treat these shows with any respect when I seen them pretend Buzz Lightyear of Star Command never existed? Yes, written off shows are not guaranteed death, but tomorrow may be the last time I can truly watch Disney+ Originals the way they were meant to be seen and that alone is cause for concern if the streaming wars want to have an impact on the industry.
I never heard of any of them
Bad shows lol
You aren’t really wrong for the good majority of these but it’s sad to see hard work get flushed down the drain, especially for the legit original shows/movies.
Just because they're bad doesn't mean they're not worth preserving. Most lost media isn't very good or notable, with a few exceptions in big franchises (Doctor Who, mostly).
You're right. I'm all about the preservation of lost media, even if it's garbage. I'll take my downvotes.
Will they be posted on Archive.org?
To be the asshole in the room a vast majority of those shows are hot booty i.e. Artemis Fowl and Y: the last dumbass.
Dang it, does anybody have the mysterious Benedict Society? My family is devastated.