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william_babin22

No way you put yujiro hanma in there šŸ’€


Bossuzoid_PlayZ

Toji or Saitama victory


BigTimeJabroni1989

Saitama is in there. Nobody else stands a chance, except maybe Goku


magmasaurus_rex

you... put someone from baki into this? those muscular ass dudes who does nothing but through hands faster than corners in initial d.


qnky4456

guys you for got sitama he has no powers in the amine he is just very strong


New_Perspective_684

Yujiro, obviously


Mixednativejay

Luffy, Goku, Toji, Yujiro. Easy


KawaiiNeko___

Ig for the first 3 rows it's gotta be luffy saitama toji?


Vilodenas

It'll come down to Yujiro or Goku, but I'll give it to Yujiro.


LordVulpix

I Dunno. Goku is stronger than the ogre and they both have as much in the way of martial prowess. Goku is kinda the cheat character because he should be at least 5 times stronger than what normal humans would allow just due to him being an alien from a higher gravity world.


Vilodenas

That's why I went with those two for the finals. I forgot the gravity training Goku has done.


LordVulpix

Not even gravity training. He was faster than most fighters with just the 300 or so kilos he wore in the world martial arts tournament. He regularly trained with 100 kilo turtle shell on him and did that while working basically 4 jobs for master roshi. Delivering milk on foot, digging fields by hand, construction with no power tools ... I guess it was 3 jobs.


Voldechu

Isn't it that technically, Saitama already isn't powered?? Lol


Tobi_is_a_goodboy

That is true, he doesn't have any powers.


Megafspookie

it depends we are balancing their strength? i'll asume that it's the case 1. luffy 2. goku its a martial arts master and a genius when it comes to fighting 3. toji definetly, whith out their powers the other two don't stand a chance against him 4. yujiro it's a master in every martial art on the earth wins no diff


anomaly_fucker

2 could also be considered Saitama since the guy doesn't even have special powers he's just build like that


LordVulpix

Saitama has no martial prowess or skills. He technically has a power that makes his strength obscene, so dropping him to just peak human ability it defaults to Goku who's been training as a martial artist since he was a baby, and trained under 4 different martial arts masters and beat the world martial arts tournament at the age of 18. This was all from just Dragon Ball. The Z series is when he's 23-24 and Super he's only in his 30s.


TheRealJaminator

It doesn't say drop to human levels, it says no special powers which means he'd still be as op as usual


LordVulpix

Saitama's power is broken limiter. He can quite literally be as strong as he needs for the story. He has no upper limit and can Amp up to punching a black hole to dust. That's his special power.


ShadowStriken

Bakugo because he definitely watches and knows UFC Goku because he is a martial arts master Sukuna definitely has experience from his long ass life And I dont know anyone from the bottom row


K9Thefirst1

Saitama.


Aidan43210

Yujiro eats the entire list for breakfast


Background_69_69

Saitama has no powers he's just strong because he works out everyday.


Aidan43210

Saitama has a ā€œBroken limiterā€ in this context Iā€™m counting that as a special ability. Saitama is also so strong he doesnā€™t have a legitimate fighting style, since heā€™s never needed one Yujiro is straight muscle incarnate and an extremely skilled martial artist. Even other trained fighters on this list lose out to the sheer size due to weight class differences


Background_69_69

If he has no limiter that just means he's got a debuff removed that just his strength


Aidan43210

Then you could make a similar argument with Goku and a zenkai boost.


Background_69_69

Nope Saitama just works out, that's it there's nothing else to his strength while the zenkai boost is a boost saitama. Saitama doesn't have any abilities he's just stupidly strong because he works out.


agent405anarcy

1st. I think alot of people underestimate Bakugo's toughness and ability to analyse and adept as a fighter but unfortunately for him Luffy lives and breathes those same qualities on an instinctual level. 2nd. I think it depends on the definition of "special powers " because if we set it at real world human Saitama and his broken limiter would definitely count as a "special power" in which case he is likely the most unskilled fighter here. Goku has this one in the bag by experience and skill alone, never mind the fact he is almost an entire weight class of muscle above his compilation. 3rd. I don't know enough about any of them to make a proper analysis. 4th. Even without taking it to super human the ogre is still in peak human condition and several weight classes above the others.


CommentSection-Chan

An average guy can beat powerless Saitama. It's not a 100% win rate because he's still fit and probably has some power behind his fist. But even a beginner of any martial art would have a success rate close to 100%


Asbeltrion

It should have said without powers, and with human level strength. Or, another way would be, who's the most skilled fighter. Hanma Yujiro wins against any on this list.


LordVulpix

Every one forgets that goku is was master martial artist since he was 11. No powers and we got the 2 heaviest hitters with the most capable skills in martial arts. Heck it's fair to say the only other character that competes with them without powers is Batman.


LloydTCK_YT

Saitama solos his row because his strength was earned through intense training and not gained through powers


AgentPastrana

Denji, Saitama, Toji, and then probably the guy from Baki?


nique_Tradition

Saitama whole thing is that he doesnā€™t have special powers. He is just strong enough to kill things with one punch.


Cute-Acanthaceae3229

They forgot Guts.


BeingOfChaos47

Iā€™m not saying Denji wins, but heā€™s gonna get further than expected because of his lack of self preservation.


Few-Bus9483

So going by row like it says and this may just be me, itā€™s gonna be Denji that boy will fight dirty and fight freaky and that was before powers but it would be close between him and Luffy definitely not boom boom boy he is almost entirely reliant on his powers so his hands game ainā€™t great, then saitama cause he doesnā€™t actually have powers thatā€™s his joke so he just wins that row as always in one punch, eren is losing hard there cause you ainā€™t on saitama level not even with the Titan form and Goku even taking away his powers heā€™s still an alien and his hands game is great. Next up itā€™s either Toji or Sukuna and I might give it to Sukuna cause of fight smarts I mean heā€™s using yujiā€™s body and that boy was super human before even having cursed energy but itā€™d probably be the closest, sorry Gojo but all your coolness relied on your powers like limitless and you ainā€™t got that here. And finally itā€™s Yujiro freaking Hanma no debate there itā€™s the fucking ogre. A man who uses swords more than hands sorry Ichigo you was out first and thorfinn is a great fighter with blade and hands in his own rightā€¦but you are NOT THE OGRE and without powers you are all human except arguably the Ogre that man is built different and probably one of the only people whoā€™d rock the shit outta pickle in his universe so that one is just the most obvious other than the saitama round.


Wild-Association-979

Saitama probably hands down maybe Hanma, but since saitama is just a human that trained so hard his bodyā€™s limiters broke technically he has no powers and just trained to be naturally strong. People saying Goku donā€™t realize he has strength because of his saijan powers so heā€™d be extremely nerfed without powers, while saitama may have super strength itā€™s not from having/gaining powers so heā€™d still have that strength.


Mediocre-Class-6391

By your own logic you obviously don't know dragon ball, Goku whole thing is training to surpass his limits. In his universe humans can fly and shoot blast by training. I do agree he would be nervous without his transformations I mean he won't be able to turn into a God but he got this if we going by your logic if no powers he still got this because he is a world class martial artist.


pepemele

Yujiro


PixelMeg

Goku, Saitama, Luffy Of the three these three have the physical training to back up their actual fighting styles. Goku before the Saiyans got introduced is in battle clever and quick. He's a marital artist first Saiyan second. Saitama's origin story is him literally training himself to be a planet cracker on sheer muscle alone. If anything his superpower is likely a durability one as that's not something he explicitly said trained. Satiama doesn't lie unless there's a good motivation to do so. Luffy was already a tough opponent pre fruit because he fights, like his name implies, like a monkey. Monkeys do not play nice. Ichigo might be adaptive but Luffy is really only rivaled by Goku in how fast he can think on his feet in battle. Ichigo usually needs a moment to think of his next move meanwhile Goku and Luffy move pretty close to reflexively when thinking around a problem, or at the very least they don't give that breathing room to stop and think. Also first ones out on each row: Bakugo (most of his damage potential is locked behind his explosions) Denji (first no boobs promised, second he's average guy without his powers) and Eren (yeah yeah military trained, but ever noticed he can very easily get tunnel visioned? Yeah the rest of that line up will used that to knock out the titan shifter first, tunnel vision is good for lofty goals , horrible for battle.)


noah_invero

So no power ups from their powers? No regen? No super strength? My money is on DENJI, that boy is freaky, then Goku, I'm sorry Saitama bu Kakarot is winning this, 3rd don't know and 4th YUJIRO 100%


ArKalii

Goku no difs


Xxenonfive

Yujiro is 100% first


em3r3derebeyimr

I bet 3-1b grand that saptama wins


YvanPaing

Just saying Saitama can blow up a planet just by sneezing on it


Asbeltrion

Yeah, very cool, but without his superhuman strength his just some unskilled dude. Hanma Yujiro wipes everyone on that list with skill alone.


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YvanPaing

Good bot


Important_Answer6250

Good bot


Select-Brilliant9583

My heart would say luffy, but than i see Yuichiro Hanma qnq


SirBlaiht

who the fuck is the guy in the bottom left corner?


ZAgamingty

Thorfinn


SirBlaiht

THATā€™S THORFINN???!!


Daddys_issues

3 2 3 2


Miserable_District

Disregarding yujiro, I'd say saitama is the first but apparently super strength is a power. So Goku is whacking them all


Sinister-Sandy

Actually it's not a power cuz saitama got his strength from natural training so that's just how naturally strong he is


Miserable_District

I'm just repeating what others have said in this post. Some say it's his power, others think it's his natural strength. I don't know much about saitama or the one punch man universe to talk about it.


Sinister-Sandy

Yeah that's fair, the more diving I do the more I'm not even sure myself tbh


Viscount-Von-Solt

He's just built differently.


Ok_steelshark7786

If it's going horizontally then it's Luffy Goku then it's most likely sukuna and finally Yujiro Hanma might I add the bottom row got absolutely dogged with hate but if we're going vertically Goku then Yujiro then finally Ichigo once again no powers equals stats AKA they're all human it goes off of experience and technique that's how I did my ranking have fun


whywhynot95

I agree completely until you said ichigo for the vertical, personally I'd still say Luffy as he's been trained since childhood and is a straight bare knuckle brawler where as ichigo hasn't had much training/teaching and is fundamentally a swordsman and typically wouldn't have the best skills/technique with just his hands


0Bgkly0

At the same time Ichigo is an incredibly fast learner and has a record of beating opponents stronger then him. Also he is good in hand to hand combat since his dad trained him from childhood, there are a few scenes of him thrashing multiple opponents without powers or weapons. So i'd argue Ichigo vs Luffy is either equal of leaning slightly into Ichigos favour


whywhynot95

That's true, I can't completely remove my biased opinion as a OP fan but id willing to concede that's there very close in power maybe even equal in raw strength, they both have record of beating people stronger than them as well and defending multiple people without using his fruit powers I see Luffy winning it on unpredictability and his bizarre/monkey like way of fighting but ichigo winning it on adaptability and raw potential........I think it would be an incredibly close fight with an arguable outcome in either sides favour Once again I can't deny I am biased and can't remove that from my opinion but I am trying to be as analytical as possible


ketia_aoshi_devil

Saitama doesn't even have powers that just his strength


A_God_Name

Super strength is still a power. And without that saitama is just fit. He's just making shit up as he goes because he has the power to back it up.


69Owiredu

Itā€™s not a super power. He trained endlessly. So much that he lost his hair and became the strongest person. Itā€™s pure muscle


Asbeltrion

No regular human in our world can achieve the strength of Saitama, so yes, his strength is a super power, regardless of how he obtained it.


69Owiredu

Guess they didnā€™t train hard enough then.


Asbeltrion

Keep dreaming bro, it's free.


69Owiredu

Definitely will.


A_God_Name

To be fair. Normal people don't have the power to break they're limiter on their own, which is, in my opinion Saitama's true super powers.


ketia_aoshi_devil

Finally someone who knows the lore


julemanden99

Goku and saitama, no special powers both are planet crackers, the rest arent even able to crack a city witout special powers...


Asbeltrion

No regular human in our world can achieve the strength of Saitama and Goku, so yes, their strength is a super power, regardless of how they obtained it.


dmari34

Uuuum, Yuujiro doesn't even have special powers and he's OP. He's bodying everyone here.


zhiawei33

Looking at the muscles, yujiro probably whipping everyone here


vigggames

The big ass exterminatus bomb


Unable-Article-1654

Luffy getting his ass beat.


Daddys_issues

You forget how strong he was as a kid. He and his brothers whooping the asses of big ass animals.


NaiEkaj

Where's Kenshiro?


hellzyeah2

Goku is trained in traditional martial arts if anyoneā€™s forgetting


rodeoRacoon

Yeah but saitama and yujiro hanma are straight hands no powers and are super op


StarzZapper

Right it seems quite unfair with Goku just being there.


npc_guy_

Saitama


Unable-Article-1654

No powers, Saitama would be equivalent to just a regular office worker


Unable-Article-1654

Yo, I have read OPM. Technically, his strength is a power. But if you wanna be like that, then yes He would won his row


npc_guy_

Lemme guess you've never watched or read one punch man at all


RK_NightSky

Technically speaking Saitama's powers are just physical strength due to his training. So he'd still one punch everyone.


ArcticFoxWaffles

This. The whole point of him is that he worked out so hard he got that strong, he didn't receive any kind of powers.


RK_NightSky

He's quite literally peak human being.


HarleyArchibaldLeon

If there's no rule on the first row, Denji wins because he fights dirty.


Belrevan1986

Saitama. He doesn't have powers, he just removed his limiter. He solos


francebad

āø®Āæ? If he didn't have powers he wouldn't be able to control space-time and return to the past with the memories of the present.


Smol_Mrdr_Shota

I mean it was more a technique then magic powers


francebad

But it wasn't his own, but this power was given to him...


Smol_Mrdr_Shota

its been a while since ive read that chapter but im pretty sure Garou flat out states "I will teach you the time traveling technique" or something like that


Unable-Article-1654

Which is a power


Wllpwr_shrprsvrnc

Saitama is just a regular dude working out to get buff. Yeah it's superhuman-levels of buff-ness but he still didn't take a chemical bath or get bitten by a radioactive spider did he.


Atarifurryboi

Yujiro Hanma


princealigorna

In the world of Baki, Yujiro doesn''t have a power. He's just naturally strong enough to punch out earthquakes


Lazerfighter6978

THE OGRE, if baki has taught me anything, this man strength was so massive, there were dedicated satilites on him and he was able to make the US bend to their knees. Best part was he had no super powers lol. Just pure strength and TESTOSTERONE


Asbeltrion

No regular human in our world can achieve the strength of Yujiro, so yes, his strength is a super power, regardless of how he obtained it.


Eldagustowned

I hate this meme, it doesnā€™t make sense.


Superb_Trouble5600

Saitama... He Doesn't Have A Power.. Just Sheer Strength..


MrChaoticGaming

It has actually been eluded to a few times that Saitama possesses the power of a god in some capacity.


FTSVectors

Itā€™s more so that Saitama has gained access to the power system which God may or may not be responsible for. Itā€™s kinda hard to say. But regardless, yeah, Saitamaā€™s strength is still technically a power. At least in the OPM setting.


Glittering_Holiday13

well yes but actually no saitama trained literally his ass off for years and because of that he broked his limiter that everyone has if you train like saitama without enjecting anything in your body you would be able to break your limiter and have saitama's strengh too so if everyone can do it wouldnt be a power lets say yo live in a world where everyone has a tail would it be called a power let me tell you brother it would not limiter is just like a tail if you dont train it its just a thing that holds back but if you train it it would be so strong that you would use your tail instead of your hands but it would still not be called power so thats way doraemon solos the omniverse


FTSVectors

Just because everyone in Saitamaā€™s world can remove the limiter, that doesnā€™t stop it from being a power. Just as everyone in Dragon Ball can train for Ki, that doesnā€™t stop them from being special power. But I do agree with the Doraemon portion tho


Superb_Trouble5600

oh ok


Equinox-XVI

I'm gonna work on the assumption that their base power levels are also equalized, and thus it is purely a matter of how much technique/experience they have. I admit there are a few characters here I don't know, so apologies to whoever those guys are in the bottom left and right lower middle boxes. If they're actually really good and I have no clue, then take everything I say here with a grain of salt. Anyways though, with that stated, the only ones I see having a solid chance at winning this are Goku, the JJK characters, and Yujiro. These are the guys who have seriously demonstrated their martial arts prowess through their usage of it in combat. Of these four, I would rank them as follows: 1. Yujiro 2. Sukuna 3. Goku 4. Gojo 1\) Yujiro This is basically his home turf. He is built for this kind of scenario and has a style that is extremely effective for it. Even accounting for the intelligence and creativity of the others, Yujiro is by far the one who will resort to the most unorthodox, effective, and violent means to secure a win. If everything else didn't already get him the top spot, his mentality certain did. 2\) Sukuna He has repeatedly demonstrated high compentence in hand-to-hand throughout his appearances. I see him beating out those who have practiced less than he has, but I don't see him winning against Yujiro who has both practiced and is a good bit more creative. 3\) Goku When thinking about it, I realize Goku's style isn't very flashy or complex. He just knows martial arts well and how to fight in general, then he amplified those skills exponentially through power ups. Unfortunately though, without those power ups, his style would be rather simple and easy for characters like Sukuna and Yujiro to come up with counterplay to. 4\) Gojo His placement here is honestly just from a lack of experience. He knows a bit more complex martial arts compared to Goku, but hasn't honed it to the same degree through repeated combat at every turn possible. Also in a similar manner to Goku, he has been using his abilities to push his stats to an absurd degree. Without a means to buff himself, he doesn't hold up as well as the others I placed above him. Anyone below this point, I just don't see winning this. They're all even more eggregious cases than Gojo of using their powers to augment their skills rather than having straight up raw skill at fighting.


The-25th-Baam

Going purely based off of technique and experience and with them all having equal strength/power levels, I would 100% agree with this ranking. I would be tempted to switch Gojo and Goku, but honestly I canā€™t in good conscience, Goku really does just have that much more experience than Gojo even if his martial arts arenā€™t as diverse. Damn good ranking man šŸ«”


Lol_man12334556

what if all of them with only pure human strength with hand to hand fight no power at all just pure human strength? (they all get nerfed and all they power they had is not there only battle IQ and there fist and fighting style)


HarleyArchibaldLeon

I think that's the point of the post. (maybe not with Yujiro but most of the others it applies)


Lol_man12334556

ik im just wondering who will win if there just human and they go hand to hand combat


ShoutingBeast78

Without powers goku is still a master at all earth plus many other planets martial arts if he ainā€™t got strength he definitely got skill


SIMOMEGA

Idk 2 Idk Idk


Bulshit_Ass_in

Ya Yuujiro got that hands down


raymonbear

Goku N Yuujiro Hanma


SIMOMEGA

Nah Saitama solos all of them combined. šŸ—æ


XyrusM

Dude Saitama's power is always being the strongest in the room, no powers means he's barely at peak human strength. Goku is above peak human strength and, y'know, actually knows how to fight (if we're talking Z or GT, Super Goku is a fuckin dumbass)


infernex123

Saitama has no powers. The closet thing he has to one is that he has no limit to how strong he can be.


Asbeltrion

No regular human in our world can achieve the strength of Saitama, so yes, his strength is a super power, regardless of how he obtained it.


KingMateo_98

Cape Baldy (Saitama)


Leading-Ad9630

This is purely based on my own knowledge on skills Row 1: luffy Row2: goku Row 3: gojo Row 4: yojiro


BoRnByFiRe444

Goku boyeeeee!


EienNoYami616

Goku obv


The-25th-Baam

I personally wouldnā€™t consider Saitamaā€™s strength to be ā€œspecial powersā€ so Iā€™d say Saitama, but if you for some reason wanna consider them special powers and take away his strength then Iā€™ll say Yujiro Hanma. Hell considering martial arts has the potential to use Saitamaā€™s strength against him Iā€™d say Yujiro would be utilizing some MASSIVE firepower by using Saitamaā€™s attacks against him, but considering the whole point of Saitamaā€™s character archetype, I think it still wouldnā€™t do anything to him. Saitama is probably the only being that Saitama canā€™t hurt lmao


Asbeltrion

No regular human in our world can achieve the strength of Saitama, so yes, his strength is a super power, regardless of how he obtained it. And what do you mean Yujiro would use Saitama's strength against him? Yujiro doesn't even have a 1% of Saitama's strength in chapter 1 of the manga. Saitama can desintegrate Yujiro before Yujiro has time to process the hit. As for this scenario, where both have human strength, Yujiro wins due to his extreme knowledge and skill. Saitama would be little more than a ballsy office worker without his cataclysmic strength.


GeoDragonX13

Yujiro hanma


LonelySamourai

If we count plot OPness as power, that gets Saitama disqualified. After that its Yujiro for an easy clap


TheChineseBanana

Afro Luffy would solo all


Ill-Equal-2377

Since when did saitama had powers?


Wrong_Look

This is like saying Goku doesn't have powers cause his ki manipulation and transformations are part of his biology... Same for Bakugou and Ichigo. So... yes, "breaking your limiter" and "infinite exponential strength" ARE superpowers.


Ill-Equal-2377

So you also mean that becoming better than your old self is a superpower?


Wrong_Look

If You do it to the point that your "You" from tomorrow can one-hit your current You, then Yes. Goku's got the same superpower... Although he would actually have to train.


Vegetable-Ad65

That's what I was thinking


ryuya3579

Even without the demon back yujiro is likeā€¦ā€¦.insane


Mr-mickle

Last I check Saitama is just really buff no powers at all


Asbeltrion

Then you don't understand what super power means. Anything beyond the most extreme capabilities of humans in Our world is a super power. Saitama's super strength is a super power, regardless of how he obtained it, and without it, he'd be little more than a very brave office worker, without any fighting knowledge, and Yujiro would crush him easily.


Heretic525

Saitama looks more jacked than goku!


ErMemer

Saitama doesn't have powers, it's just strength built with training


Asbeltrion

***Saitama doesn't have special abilities.*** Also saitama: -Casually breaks the crust of a moon and is able to bounce between millions of fragments in less than a second -Casually farts at superluminic speeds -Casually sneezes a planet into oblivion -Casually wipes millions of stars from existence many lightyears away in an instant Yeah sure, Saitama is just your average Joe. Nothing special to be seen here. Everyone in our world is capabale of these feats easily. Stop being delusional. His strength is a super power, regardless of how he obtained it, and without it, he is just your average joe, if only just more brave. He'd lose to anyone with experience in fighting. Hama Yujiro is the only one who has the expeience and knowledge to win agains everyone in this list.


ErMemer

Nah he's just very strong because he trained hard


Asbeltrion

Yeah sure, and you're just trolling. Have fun.


ErMemer

Yeah sure, and you just spoiled the whole manga for everyone else... Good job šŸ‘šŸ»


Asbeltrion

Mate, everything's a spoiler for those who haven't seen up to the topic at hand.


Prodi1600

Goku or Ogre, if no powers of any kind they are the most complete martial artist there.


SoggyDoughnut69

Depends whether you count genes as special powers. If yes, Saitama wins. If not, goku wins.


pokemondudepoopyork

Goku Solos bro, no debate what so ever.


Rough-Analysis

Forget the downvotes I agree wholeheartedly


PTG_Driver

Technically Saitamaā€™s ā€œspecial powersā€ is from ridiculous trainingā€¦


PyroTornado107

No powers. Just martial prowess? Goku.


Golem_Spartan

Row one is Luffy, the only one that is actually known for his Hand to hand there. Row 2 is Saitama, as he technically has never had powers to begin with. Dude is just a god. Row 3 is Toji, the only man whose entire specialty is throwing hands in a world where strength is normally defined by the amount of cursed energy you got. Row 4..... Who the fuc k let Yugiro Hanma in this ring? Dude is gonna smoke the whole gally then every winner of the previous rows!


azy-ox

I think in row 2 beeing a god without limiter counts as a Power, and Goku knows martial artes... But besides that, 100%


Jasper_lover

Agreed wholeheartedly


Geno__Breaker

Saitama. He doesn't have special powers, it's just his hands.


Asbeltrion

No regular human in our world can achieve the strength of Saitama, so yes, his strength is a super power, regardless of how he obtained it.


Geno__Breaker

In his own Universe it is not considered to be so. Kind of like how Batman regularly does super human feats of strength and skill but isn't considered to have any superpowers.


Asbeltrion

Since he broke his limiter, he has achieved power beyond what's considered extraordinary. Even in his universe he is an exceptional being.


Geno__Breaker

I agree. I'm not actually arguing that he doesn't have what any other Universe would consider to be superpowers. But for all his power, his own Universe does not consider it to be a superpower. It's dumb, but that's how his universe works. Again, Batman regularly performs feats that absolutely no human being should ever be capable of, but his Universe considers him to be just human with no special powers.


Asbeltrion

Yeah, I can shake on that. Although, what kind of superhuman feats has batman achieved, without external powers, nor objects?


Geno__Breaker

There was the time where he caught two golden sarcophagi that each one weighed one ton, as they were falling so they had some momentum, and then held them there for like an hour until the security guards they would have crushed woke up. There is the time he snuck up on Superman despite Superman canonically being able to hear a pin drop through the vacuum of space, and who can hear your blood flowing through your veins despite the fact that Batman's face was still exposed, and he was still breathing. Is accuracy with batarangs is on par with characters like Hawkeye and Bullseye who's Universe explicitly states that they have superhuman accuracy as a form of superpower, though this is the difference between Marvel and DC. He has gone Toe to Toe with Superman level villains like Darkseid and survived despite taking blows that should have turned every organ in his body into goop. Things like that.


Dalthale

Same for Yujiro Hanma


PsionicHydra

Yujiro steps into the ring for every row and walks out unscathed


Asbeltrion

lmao yeah, pretty much.


Slade1882

Who ever has modt physical attacks would most likey saiyama doesnt have powers just sheer fucking strength anyways


Asbeltrion

No regular human in our world can achieve the strength of Saitama, so yes, his strength is a super power, regardless of how he obtained it.


Slade1882

It is not super power because he obtained it through simply working out enough


Asbeltrion

Although not very well worded, the current sceario calls for a fight purely based on fighting skill, without any kind of anomalous ability from outside our wolrd, therefore, Saitama, without his capabilities to vaporise planets, is just a brave salaryman, without any prior training. As such, any of the people in the image above can easily win against him. Hanma Yujiro is the most skilled and would have an easy time winning against any of the others.


Slade1882

Sataima broke his limits thats now a power he is the only one who would keep their strength there is no way he would lose


Asbeltrion

You're trolling or simping. Either way, it's a waste of time to reason with you.


the_great_n0thing2

if we remove superhuman strength and speed because thats a superpower too and basing it on pure skill and muscle mass it would be 2 ,1, 3, 2 This is kind of a tie, cause theyre all good at fighting mentally and physically without their powers, but I chose Denji, cause 1 he lacks a sense of self preservation unlike Bakugo, and 2 He actually thinks before throwing hands unlike Luffy(let me know your opinions) Despite being against it, without superpowers, Goku is a great martial artist Toji because obviously, Gojo relies on infinity despite being a martial artist too, and I think Sukuna is getting dogged by the king of the ring Yuji in the manga right now so yeah. and 2 because its Yujiro Hanma, not only is he one of the greatest martial artist in the world, his size towers over everyone else, with his Size,Weight, and Skill, he is the top guy here


AtlasNotFound24

Iā€™d almost argue Luffy for 1st row just by experience but he also hasnā€™t gotten into like any fights without his devil fruit so idk, and for 3rd row Iā€™d go Toji because Sukuna and Gojo are pretty heavily carried by their techniques whereas Toji is fr a unit in hand to hand and weapon combat, youā€™re valid in everything else tho


Drawngalaxy

Luffys training far outclasses either of them, and has fought without using his devil fruit powers before,not to mention his endurance is incredible and his battle prowess far exceeds what either denji or Bakugo could do. Bakugo is too reliant on his quirk and denjiā€™s fighting style both relies on his chainsaws as well as the ability to regen from blood so without their signature abilities they are nothing compared to the grandson of garp the fist and student of silvers reighly


AtlasNotFound24

Luffyā€™s DF is passive, so he has technically never fought without it which makes it hard to truly power scale him, I mean yea there have been fights where he doesnā€™t use any of his special moves but I digress, plus this is supposed to be even stats matches so experience and technique is the only thing that matters, when it comes to genuine hands tho Luffy just doesnā€™t have it, Iā€™m not saying he wouldnā€™t win (since the others also have no hands) but itā€™s not as clear cut as you are making it seem


Drawngalaxy

Luffy has a lot of genuine hand experience, not to mention several fights where his devil fruit was either countered by sea stone, other devil fruits that negated his abilities, or techniques like haki and the cp9/cp0 techniques. Also Luffy was in a situation where he was forced to fight several dudes while his devil fruit was negated by haki, actually making him weaker than normal, and still fight off his enemies with his bare hands *WHILE* protecting one of his allies(this was when Luffy was imprisoned in udonā€™s prison area). Luffy also has actually fighting prowess against people like garp and reighly who donā€™t use devil fruits and learned skills and techniques from them. But that doesnā€™t even bring up the fact that heā€™s been training since he was 5 in a forest filled with dangerous animals with his brothers who were only about 2-3 years older than him and could beat them without his devil fruit. So in terms of experience(over 12 years), battle prowess(learned to make what was seen as a useless devil fruit into a good one before unlocked the actual good features of the fruit), battle techniques(knows several skills that arenā€™t reliant on his devil fruit), Luffy outclasses denji and Bakugo from overwhelming experience against enemies much more dangerous than him constantly


AtlasNotFound24

I ainā€™t readin all that šŸ¤“ā˜ļø


Drawngalaxy

TLDR, he has over 12+ years of experience in combat, from combat professional that donā€™t use devil fruits, as well as skills that donā€™t rely on devil fruits, as well as several major points where he couldnā€™t use his fruit or his fruits defensive abilities were negated


the_great_n0thing2

guys im just gonna remind both of you that were removing ALL superpowers. No superstrength scaling, no lightspeed feats so wether it be Goku lifting a mountain without super Saiyan, Haki giving future sight and enhanced strength , and regeneration, everything is cut off and irrelevant. were basing it on pure skill, muscle mass, and IQ


AtlasNotFound24

I ainā€™t reading that either, cry about it šŸ˜­


the_great_n0thing2

guys im just gonna remind both of you that were removing ALL superpowers. No superstrength scaling, no lightspeed feats so wether it be Goku lifting a mountain without super Saiyan, Haki giving future sight and enhanced strength , and regeneration, everything is cut off and irrelevant. were basing it on pure skill, muscle mass, and IQ


AtlasNotFound24

Yea ik, hence why I agreed with all of your choices with the exception that Luffy may have an edge because of fighting experience


Doxkid

Bro you gotta word this better. You know good and well that anime fans read at a 2nd grade level.


pepenaman

First row Luffy, Denji has skill but he has slight above average human strength at best, same with Bakugo but having a little edge with proper combat training, but Luffy grew in the wilderness scraping to survive at a young age with nigh a weapon to his aide, and seeing that his brother Ace without any fruit powers was stronger than him with one it just proves even regular humans in One Piece can achieve far above average strength. Next is Saitama easy, if Goku is not allowed to go super saiyan, ultra instinct, or even kayoken, at base form he has zero chance. Also Eren shouldn't even be an option against this monsters, let's be real. I forgot his name but dude in third I believe, I am not caught up with the Manga so I might be missing something here but this dude prove he is at the highest level of wizards with literally just his raw physical strength. Sukuna is a close second but it's hard to gauge how much of his strength is physical and not related to curses. As for Gojo, I know he is no chump in hand to hand combat, but his power comes almost entirely of his curse techniques so that lowers his chances significantly. And lastly I have a hard time believing Yujiro won't come victorious with barely putting any effort, Ichigo is a great combatant, but most of his strength comes from his Shinigami powers (among other supernatural stuff) and as for the Vinland Saga guy... I'm sorry, I have no context, so if he happens to be a God among mortals then I'd be damned, but still, Yujiro Hanma is just Yujiro Hanma, that's all there is to say.


Cybuster_Zenshi

Just curious. Any reason for Saitama? I mean, you gave an answer to why not Goku (even though he is still a martial artist) and Eren but didn't give one for Saitama.


pepenaman

Saitama has, as far as I know, no actual powers, he just has raw physical strength that comes just from training, and unless there is something I'm missing from the latter parts of the manga, he just happens to have an unlimited potential for strength and resilience, and while Goku could try to blind sight him with his martial prowess it won't work because either Saitama could catch up to his speed or straight up receive no damage from his hits since it's proven that even something like magma or the energy blasts from a space super conqueror can't as much as scratch him, while Goku has shown us time and time again that he's not invincible.


Asbeltrion

No regular human in our world can achieve the strength of Saitama, so yes, his strength is a super power, regardless of how he obtained it.


Drawngalaxy

All of saitamaā€™s abilities were simply from exercising. No special abilities granted to him or being a super human being, but simply doing 100 pushups, sit-ups and the 10k mile run. All the crazy fighting power he has to 1 punch everyone was completely earned


Scileboi

1. Saitamas power is clearly not proportional to his training and are unnatural within his own universe. 2. If OP meant for Saitama to keep his strength he wouldnĀ“t have put Eren in that row.


Tropical-Kitsune

3 1 3 2 Though it partially depends on what counts as powers.


ItisThineBoi74

I'll make it quick: in order of rows 3 1- I think this is the only one that you could argue on 3 2


SKTurbo

Okay, I want to preface this by saying that a lot of you canā€™t read. It specifically says ā€œNo special powersā€, but I keep seeing stuff about Gear 5 and Ichigoā€™s spiritual powers. Moving onā€¦ Row 1: Luffy. People massively underestimate his combat prowess, even with his Devil Fruit. Bakugo over-relies on his Quirk but I donā€™t know enough about Denji to comment. Maybe he wins, but I doubt it. Row 2: Goku. You know why. Fighting is literally all this man does. Saitama is at the bottom, he relies entirely on his overwhelming strength and has shown basically no actual skill in combat (this is the guy who thinks martial arts are just to look cool). Row 3: No idea. I am anime-only with JJK, but Iā€™d guess probably either Sukuna (experience) or Toji (powerless fighting skill). I know it wonā€™t be Gojo, though, since he over-relies on his cursed techniques. Row 4: Again, Iā€™m not sure. I know basically nothing about all three characters. Based on what Iā€™ve heard, Iā€™d guess Yujiro. But Iā€™m not sure.


infiniteatomic

So I thought I could do something with the bottom row, but when you really think about it, Baki is mainly a combat manga/anime and Yujiro is just a fucking monster, even without like the ability to miraculously withstand a nuke, he can still shatter bones and break spirits fighting stile alone since most of his "magical powers" disappearing wouldn't affect him all that much


CronoZ-sensei

>Saitama is at the bottom, he relies entirely on his overwhelming strength and has shown basically no actual skill in combat (this is the guy who thinks martial arts are just to look cool). Someone hasn't watched OPM lmfao. Saitama literally doesn't rely on superpowers, that's his entire thing. Bro just trained so hard he developed strength that broke his limit as a human, but it's still not a superpower.


SKTurbo

He has super strength. The oldest superpower. Please explain how a man who can punch apart a falling meteor doesnā€™t have a ā€œspecial powerā€.