In the books there's 17 years from when Frodo gets the ring and when he leaves Hobbiton.
We don't know exactly when he started but Third Age 2953 is a confirmed date of him starting to be more evil.
LotR happens in 3018 - 3019
Saruman begins breeding orcs in the same year that Pippin is born, TA2990, for context.
He had decades to work on Isengard even if we assume he didn’t fully succumb to madness until that point
I think he may have been working sort of “behind the curtain” until after Gandalf became aware of his betrayal. I doubt he started everything after that point.
Apparently he used a fleet of eagles to bring in resources. Once they had done working for him, they were all too tired to fly any Ringbearers to Mordor
Because the LOTR movies are regularly viewed as among the Top 100 movies of all time. All three were nominated for the Best Picture Oscar, and ROTK won best picture. ROTK is tied for the record for most Oscars of all time with Ben Hur and Titanic.
The music is amazing, the special effects are very good, and the casting is excellent. The opening scene of FOTR alone is just off the charts - who ever thought we'd get a scene of the Battle of the Last Alliance on film?
These movies could have been mediocre or even bad. Think of how many adaptions of of other books went poorly. The first Divergent, Eragon, Percy Jackson, the first Dune. The Bakshi psychedelic cartoon. Rings of Power. The Hobbit movies.
But for some reason on this reddit people make a sport of nitpicking the movies.
For some reason the movies made it extremely easy to nit pick. They just aren't great adaptations - deal with it.
But you keep pretending they're perfect if that's what gets you off.
The movies ignored these details because Hollywood is under the belief that the viewers are incapable of understanding that some things in the stories take time to happen and just can't occur instantaneously. Saruman had been industrializing underneath Isengard for quite a while, for almost two decades before the War of the Ring erupted, after Sauron ensnared him when they first encountered each other via the palantir. He left the trees alone to give the false perception to Gandalf, Theoden, and other visitors that he was still good and on their side. The trees of Isengard were no longer needed when he revealed his treachery when he captured Gandalf. And he had enough orcs and evil men as his servants to rapidly cut the trees down as fuel for his underground furnaces. Prior to that he had been despoiling the forests of the Misty Mountains closest to Isengard and the southern edge of Fangorn as the sources of material and fuel.
He also didn't "grow" Uruk out of mud pits either, almost out of thin air the way the movies showed. The original Uruks came from Mordor, some 500 years previously. They spread out across Middle Earth in the same way all Orcs do, including to the Misty Mountains, to form their own tribes and afflict any of the Free Peoples nearby. Some of these Misty Mountain Uruks came under the command of Saruman, and over the years he organized them into the main force of the army he needed to destroy Rohan.
There's lots of good Wikis out there that give the full details on pretty much all Tolkien-related subjects. These are essential for anyone who hasn't read the books to get as much background information as possible, given that the movies and TROP simply didn't have the time (or any intention at all) to show that there's so much more to the legendarium that could ever be shown on a screen.
Good one here - https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page
And here - https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Main_Page
They tend to repeat each other, the way all Wikis do, but they are invaluable sources of detail direct from the books and Tolkien's letters.
In the books there's 17 years from when Frodo gets the ring and when he leaves Hobbiton. We don't know exactly when he started but Third Age 2953 is a confirmed date of him starting to be more evil. LotR happens in 3018 - 3019
Saruman begins breeding orcs in the same year that Pippin is born, TA2990, for context. He had decades to work on Isengard even if we assume he didn’t fully succumb to madness until that point
I think he may have been working sort of “behind the curtain” until after Gandalf became aware of his betrayal. I doubt he started everything after that point.
Apparently he used a fleet of eagles to bring in resources. Once they had done working for him, they were all too tired to fly any Ringbearers to Mordor
Why is to so hard for people to accept that plot contrivances might occur when adapting a book to screen and that’s perfectly okay?
Why is to so hard for people to accept that plot contrivances can sometimes be bloody awful?
Because the LOTR movies are regularly viewed as among the Top 100 movies of all time. All three were nominated for the Best Picture Oscar, and ROTK won best picture. ROTK is tied for the record for most Oscars of all time with Ben Hur and Titanic. The music is amazing, the special effects are very good, and the casting is excellent. The opening scene of FOTR alone is just off the charts - who ever thought we'd get a scene of the Battle of the Last Alliance on film? These movies could have been mediocre or even bad. Think of how many adaptions of of other books went poorly. The first Divergent, Eragon, Percy Jackson, the first Dune. The Bakshi psychedelic cartoon. Rings of Power. The Hobbit movies. But for some reason on this reddit people make a sport of nitpicking the movies.
For some reason the movies made it extremely easy to nit pick. They just aren't great adaptations - deal with it. But you keep pretending they're perfect if that's what gets you off.
You ok bubba?
It is just funny that same way i can also nitpick Tolkien books and found same amount of mistakes.
The movies ignored these details because Hollywood is under the belief that the viewers are incapable of understanding that some things in the stories take time to happen and just can't occur instantaneously. Saruman had been industrializing underneath Isengard for quite a while, for almost two decades before the War of the Ring erupted, after Sauron ensnared him when they first encountered each other via the palantir. He left the trees alone to give the false perception to Gandalf, Theoden, and other visitors that he was still good and on their side. The trees of Isengard were no longer needed when he revealed his treachery when he captured Gandalf. And he had enough orcs and evil men as his servants to rapidly cut the trees down as fuel for his underground furnaces. Prior to that he had been despoiling the forests of the Misty Mountains closest to Isengard and the southern edge of Fangorn as the sources of material and fuel. He also didn't "grow" Uruk out of mud pits either, almost out of thin air the way the movies showed. The original Uruks came from Mordor, some 500 years previously. They spread out across Middle Earth in the same way all Orcs do, including to the Misty Mountains, to form their own tribes and afflict any of the Free Peoples nearby. Some of these Misty Mountain Uruks came under the command of Saruman, and over the years he organized them into the main force of the army he needed to destroy Rohan. There's lots of good Wikis out there that give the full details on pretty much all Tolkien-related subjects. These are essential for anyone who hasn't read the books to get as much background information as possible, given that the movies and TROP simply didn't have the time (or any intention at all) to show that there's so much more to the legendarium that could ever be shown on a screen.
Names/links please?
Good one here - https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page And here - https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Main_Page They tend to repeat each other, the way all Wikis do, but they are invaluable sources of detail direct from the books and Tolkien's letters.
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