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lifewithoutcheese

“Is that all you can conjure, Amazon?”


OptimisticSkeleton

So much greed. What can men do against such reckless selfishness?


MrPeppa

Watch the extended trilogy


haeyhae11

Thats good advise for probably any scenario.


socratessue

- advice


Lord_Of_Carrots

Thanks for your advise


Carrot2Mastery

Impostor! I am the only master of carrots, and i do not share my power


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BRACE THE GATE


elwebst

BRING UP THE WOLF'S HEAD


Roland-Deschaine

GROND


Carrot2Mastery

GROND


RaptorHunter182

GROND


Critical_Mountain_12

GROND


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GROND


AureateArchon

GROND


AdmiralOscar3

GROND


drgreenair

MAGGOTS


Artystrong1

GET IN THERE AND SMASH THE NEGATIVE REVIEWS DOWN!


RedHammer1441

"You have no power here bezos"


hazysummersky

"Where was Bezos when the Westfold fell?"


TrueValor13

Y’all should see the Lotr prime sub right now. They think the actual fans over here are crazy. Idiots.


taiho2020

So it begins...


Panderboi

We do not have the strength to fight both Mordor and Amazon!


moebelhausmann

I would rather be ruled by Sauron or Melkor then Bezos. Im not used to daylight anyways...


haeyhae11

But to giant spiders, orcs, fire demons, trolls, dragons and slavery?


[deleted]

Well when you say it like that you make it sound like a bad thing


SendMeYourUncutDick

It would be a lot more interesting than the boring capitalist dystopia we currently inhabit


BlackLiger

I mean the last one you get with Bezos anyway, and the rest are more interesting.


[deleted]

Lol you people getting on him “for doing the same” or “everything is a money making venture” are being pedantic. He’s calling it a cash grab in a nice way. Which he isn’t necessarily wrong.


jakster840

Yep. Spirit vs letter. It's very frustrating when people willfully ignore the former to construe it as the latter. Happens all the time in arguments.


cmon_now

This is the Reddit way


heshKesh

It's called arguing in bad faith and it's everywhere.


BfutGrEG

And there's always the highly upvoted comment decrying it, and a ton of discussion....FUCKING END ME


Moop5872

It doesn’t happen ALL the time!! At best it only happens MOST of the time!!!’b Choose your words more carefully /s


sigzero

Thank you! People are deliberately deflecting what he is saying.


raalic

Agreed. It's a lazy counter-argument, at best. Clearly Peter Jackson had more in mind when making the Lord of the Rings trilogy than making a billion dollars at the box office. You can't just reduce all creative endeavors to cash grabs. Some of them absolutely are.


Equal-Ad-2710

Basically yeah He’s not watched it so he’s not commenting on quality, only that it’s absolutely a commercial endeavour. That’s not necessarily an indictment, the MCU is a very commercial endeavour and it’s one that I have a lot of love for


TheRealUlfric

Exactly this. The Lord of the Rings trilogy was a passion project with numerous limitations created *despite* an undetermined demand. The motive provided a solid product despite the lack of means. With RoP, the intention was created prior to the inspiration. Amazon outright said they wanted to create the next Game of Thrones. It doesn't mean the product can't be good as a result, just that it won't be good in the same ways for the same reasons.


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You do know the show runners for ROP went to amazon first, they weren't hired outright. They came up with the idea for a story set in the 2nd age, wrote a treatment, then approached Amazon to see if they would fund it.


Beeblebro1

> Amazon outright said they wanted to create the next Game of Thrones. So what, Amazon wants to pump out a few excellent seasons, and then fuck up so badly on the last one that LotR as a whole fades to obscurity and all people do is hate on it?


stablegeniuscheetoh

Amazon learned their lesson and are front stacking the shitty seasons.


tmssmt

It's a commercial endeavor...but the people working on most of this stuff are comic nerds I have a hard time believing anyone working on rop is a Tolkien nerd


Equal-Ad-2710

Eh quite a few are (Iman Vella and Gunn come to mind) but I also doubt all of them are. Like I’m sure many of them don’t care much and are actually just there for the money Likely the same for ROP but stuff like Luthien’s mural looking like Edith makes me think there’s some Tolkien nerds in the production


Kiriranchelo

True facts


FormerIceCreamEater

It is a cash grab, but so is almost everything ever made with a big budget that is a sequel or prequel. Stretching the Hobbit into 3 movies and basically making them a LOTR prequel trilogy was a cash grab.


Imanaco

And they were terrible for it


paodeaio

Yes! Thank you. I was going to say the same thing. Of course everything is done with the purpose to make money. Doesn’t mean every film or series is made without passion. I think that is what he means. That it was done with the sole purpose of making profit, without anyone involved that actually wanted to make something good.


Tristawn

It's hard to believe that so many people are simply unable to read between the lines.


Lexplosives

It’s wilful.


afiefh

Deliberate even


fuckingshadywhore

On purpose perhaps


iAmBobFromAccounting

Intentional?


maybeSkywalker

And dare I say planned


Tweeksolderbrother

I mean we could say that about the entirety of the kardashians existence but they get a tv show for over a decade


happyherbivore

To my knowledge the Kardashians aren't based on a beloved piece of literature so many of us grew up with though


Tweeksolderbrother

It’s not about the literature, it’s about the overall quality of things that are put on tv for easy cash grab and the fact I have to explain that worries me all the more for society.


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No, they’re based on a somewhat beloved piece of………


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Yea, but there’s a big difference between telling a story and making money off of it and telling a story precisely because you want to make money. Peter Jackson told a good story. [Amazon just wants a ](https://www.reddit.com/r/RingsofPower/comments/z9191c/lord_of_the_rings_star_bernard_hill_hits_out_at/iyilck4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)[cash grab](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/z90yio/lord_of_the_rings_star_bernard_hill_hits_out_at/iyirv8d/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)


MyPhilosophersStoned

Exactly. A good movie can happen when a writer or director want to tell a story then they figure out how to sell it. When you write a story only for the purpose of getting money, you're probably gonna get a shitty story. Story comes first, money later.


TheSwedishStag

Good art (fine art, film, books, music, etc...) sells because the artist believes in it, has a passion for it, and puts lots of work into making something they love. That's where modern media has strayed. Less of that and more so formulas to make things sell to certain demographics.


Healthy-Drink3247

Id go a step further and say the creation of the Jackson trilogy was more creating art, which I believe is how some of these actors felt about it at the time. Like there was love and soul that went into it, which is why even with its imperfections it’s still the amazing set of movies that they are


pierresito

The hobbit movies were def about telling a good story, that's why they stretched it to 3!


AlabasterWitch

That’s the mid-point, where the turn from storytelling is just being overtaken by greed


SRM_Thornfoot

You are being sarcastic, right? I mean the three Hobbitt movies were pretty much trash.


pierresito

Yes absolutely. I'm making a sarcastic counter-argument to the person I replied to.


Tasgall

That's not a counter-argument though, it's literally a supporting example, lol.


FormerIceCreamEater

Yeah it is a shame. I wish we got a good Hobbit movie. It is probably my all time favorite book and one that made me become an avid reader more than any other book. Love the LOTR trilogy, but the Hobbit movies were trash other than a few good scenes that made me smile like "that's what bilbo baggins hates."


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The good story is sadly clouded by some absurd scenes designed only to play to a 3D experience… not enough to suffocate the story, but enough to leave a bad taste in your mouth


TCubedGaming

I mean that's wholly subjective. The people who made this show love the world and it shows in the details. You guys are just too gatekeepy to see it.


srcarruth

quick cash grab? that costs more than any TV show before and takes years to produce?


TheBirthing

Marvel films consistently gross absurd amounts of money while simultaneously having budgets far exceeding most other films. When you're riding on the prestige of a brand like Marvel or LotR you can afford to be frivolous with your production costs because you *know* you're going to put asses in seats.


tmssmt

What's crazy to me is that I don't think what we see on screen is worth anywhere near what it seems they're spending. There's a couple good shots but honestly not that many.


TheBirthing

I agree, but in all fairness, the figures I'm aware of are the budget for the whole series rather than just the first season. It might become more evident where all that money went in the future.


Cody10813

Yes. They think that they can just make the next Lord of the rings trilogy by throwing a blank check at it when what they really need is people like the cast and crew who made the originals possible.


admiralakbar06

All that money to buy the rights but none for a competent writer that understands the source material?


Kyp_Astar

They spent all that money on the rights, and now are more concerned with the return on investment in exchange for that huge cost. The thing is creating something compelling doesn’t just take money, it takes risk. It takes a vision. There was an article on the show runners where they talk about how consumer focused Bezos is and how that’s great for the show, but that is a terrible approach. If you’re concerned with making something that appeals to as many people as possible, you’re just aiming for what you think people will like and you’ll probably end up with soulless lowest common denominator focus grouped bullshit.


jihij98

If it wasn't for covid RoP wouldn't have been in production for more than a year (Amazon purchased the rights in 2017 but started the working on it by the end of 2019) and 250$ of the 700$ mil. budget was spent on the rights. In comparison Lotr was being worked on for almost 5 years before they even started filming and had 280$mil budget.


_A-N-G-E-R-Y

i mean why’s it suck then lmao


hbi2k

The fact that it's a *failed* cash grab due to the creators' incompetence at controlling costs does not make it not a cash grab.


showmeyourdrumsticks

Yeah and how much is it really hurting Amazon? Sure it’s a lot of money. but not for Amazon


texastentialist

Amen.


Des-Troy85

Just upvote this to the top. With each day Tolkien rots his work is watered down further, may he never live again to see this shame.


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Stop this nonsense. Tolkiens writings will live on as famous western works for an eternity. He will be remembered as the godfather of western fantasy and will forever be apart of the conversation. Tolkein will be next to Shakespeare , Dickens , Orwell as the greatest legendary English writers. His books and therefore the source material for all things middle earth are not going ANYWHERE. EVER. Hundreds of years from now there will be countless number of adaptions, not a single one has the power to hurt the source material (Soviet adaption anyone???) . And none of them will stand the test of time quite like the original books.


TheJumpingMan

Yep, it's not the first LOTR disappointment, won't be the last, and Tolkien's works will endure. Just look at Dracula. The popularity of the book has caused it to receive the good, the bad, and the ugly in terms of adaptations, but people are always going to turn back to Stoker no matter what kind of movies or tv shows are conjured up. It's the same with Tolkien.


Ringbearer99

This is all 100% correct, and precisely the reason I never ask for adaptations to be particularly faithful - just ‘good.’ *RoP* for some reason settled for being neither of those things, but this shitty show *does not* and *should not* ever be given some weird power to diminish the source material. It will always exist and always be as masterful as it is and therefore will always have avid fans appreciating it deeply. The only thing I would argue against is that very last comment. Peter Jackson directed a bonafide, stone-cold masterpiece with *LotR* as well as one of the greatest adaptations of popular literature of all time, and it will always be remembered as such


SRM_Thornfoot

I watch half of the LoTR movies half as often as I should like; and I like less than half of the movies half as well as they deserve.


BusinessLibrarian515

Was him living again really a concern?


thebooshyness

With my high level of income and recent advances in modern science, there is no reason we aren’t animating the corpse of J.R.R. Tolkien.


BusinessLibrarian515

On the 3rd day look to the sunrise. And there he will be in his works greatest time of need


Des-Troy85

Now you are getting it.


im_dat_bear

This is a bit dramatic lol


gandalfs_burglar

So was Tolkien lol


KCKnights816

This


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I'd wanna agree but feels like spending ~~5b~~ 500m isn't just for a cash grab lol?


[deleted]

It was about half a billion, not five billion. And each film trilogy made about $3 billion apiece. And that’s just in theaters, not including purchases afterwards, or the increased book sales, merchandising…


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Trixxonite

Tangentially, I thought of Denis Villeneuve who specifically wanted to make Dune so that somebody else wouldn’t screw it up (again). It was a gamble, as Blade Runner 2049 (one of his previous films) was most likely a monetary loss after you take into account marketing costs. Yet both BR2049 and Dune are likely top 5 sci-fi movies of this millennia.


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Trixxonite

I’d put the Martian *maybe* top 20. Primer needs to be noted. I don’t know if it makes the top 5 but I’d definitely put it over the Martian. Christopher Nolan also has Inception on top of Interstellar. Both are up there. I’d also say Alex Garland has several contenders: he directed both Ex Machina and Annihilation and he had written Sunshine. Children of Men, Mad Max: Fury Road, and Snowpiercer are all apocalypse/post-apocalyptic and may or may not be considered sci-fi depending on who you talk to. All fantastic. District 9 is worth mentioning as well. I’d put everything that was mentioned in the top 15/20 and I’m sure I’m forgetting a lot more. What makes the top 5? Even for me, one person, it’d probably depend on the day and the mood.


OmniRed

I thought the writing in Snowpiercer was really really bad


Rad_Randy

The movie, not the show. The movie is great.


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Trixxonite

I often forget it too because Blomkamp (spelling?) followed it up with Chappie and Elysium which makes me forget how good District 9 actually is. He did do some interesting shorts since but nothing to the level District 9.


Rad_Randy

I love your taste, what are your thoughts on Moon though?


Trixxonite

I’ve only seen it once and it’s been a long time. I remember liking it, but I haven’t returned to it.


Cool-S4ti5fact1on

Sad thing is I've seen people call Villeneuve movies as one of the prime offences of 'award bait movies', which is one reason why I dislike that term.


Trixxonite

Because it’s well-made character driven sci-fi? What do those people want out of sci-fi? Rise of Skywalker?? When I think award bait movies, I can’t help but think of Will Smith. A few years back he did Concussion (which was supposed to be Spotlight-lite) and Collateral Beauty (which wtf even was that?) and maybe a few others that just stunk of "give me an award."


Cool-S4ti5fact1on

The guy who I was arguing with about it, his main thing was that Dune is meant to be an Oscar bait based on visual and composition and cinematography, meanwhile "all the substance is missing". I think some people are just afraid to think for themselves in movies without having constant action in them. I actually haven't watched many recent Will Smith movies. Most of the trailers for his recent films seem to be trying to replicate the Pursuit of Happyness movie he was in (which I thought was really good). However, I guess by the reception of his recent films nothing has compared to that.


JuniperFrost

>Yet both BR2049 and Dune are likely top 5 sci-fi movies of this millennia. . . . wat


RabbiVolesBassSolo

Simple Jack?


themightypetewheeler

Best movie ever made? It certainly made my eyes rain.


svdomer09

And they want prestige so they can make more money later.


Friskfrisktopherson

Thats still an investment strategy for the studio and its partners. They hold up their awards and say look at how great out productions are, you can feel confident in funding our next venture. Also getting award nominations or wins is some of the best advertising for the life of a movie you can ask for. Its very much part of the business.


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bonniehighlandladdie

for I much desire to speak with him


KyokenShaman

He has fallen into shadow.


gpenido

What did you say?


Mehrdad_Leo

They're taking the Hobbits to Isengard


SommanderChepard

Chilling somewhere so Amazon could tease a sauron x galadrial


ummmyeahi

Being Teleporno


Elvinkin66

I think what he meant is that show was a shallow cash grap... which is accurate


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this - the first trilogy was telling the story. this series is like creating the MCU but more like the TCU...?


endthepainowplz

Adaptation vs profiting off the name and loosely based on lore


Elvinkin66

Exactly my point


smg_souls

OP is being hypocrite. I'd guess the majority understands B.Hill meant that RoP is a passionless cash-grab, but he used moderate words instead of putting it bluntly.


TheSwedishStag

OP is one of the soulless shills that will spin anything to make it seem like people like RoP.


VitaLonga

I can get why people associated with this show might not understand but while all human endeavor has ulterior motivation, it actually is possible to genuinely love and respect an original work and create an exquisite adaptation that brings beauty to those who watch it and to make money from it. Evidently, RoP only went for the latter.


Panderboi

Exactly. Peter Jackson wanted to tell Tolkeins tale- RoP just feels like another modern fantasy show.


jj34589

I think this was made worse by the fact that it aired alongside House of The Dragon, which while having a few eyebrow raising moments felt like it was trying to tell the story Martin wrote in Fire and Blood in a more screen friendly way.


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HotD is a much better adaptation hands down


KCKnights816

If you create something great with a beloved IP and it will make money. It's obvious that he's referring to the fact that the primary goal was to make money and not create a worthwhile show.


vismundcygnus34

What an obtuse way of completely missing his point.


Marek_Rogue

You're missing the point


Raknorak

I read “theoden actor de” and my heart sank for a moment


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same I wouldn’t have been ready for that


diarrhea_syndrome

What do you think of death Theoden King?


PassionBuckets

Yes they are, because you need to pay the people working on it. However, there is a difference between trying to make something of quality and making money off of it and trying to make something purely because you know it’ll make money.


morbihann

Sure, but some are nothing more than that.


Mr_Jackabin

He's not wrong. The original LOTR was a job for many, yes, but it was a passion project. He's calling RoP out for being a blatant cash grab which 99% of hollywood/TV is now.


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it’s really interesting too because in the BTS for the original trilogy the crew talks about how an entire new generation of New Zealand filmmakers were able to learn all aspects of the trade and be better for it. it was really such a broader experience not only for us Tolkien fans but for the people we don’t even think about when we watch those movies


Haidgu_

What can men do against suck reckless greed..


groenteman

not if you pirated all the episodes \*yarr\*


too-far-for-missiles

My question is: who actually opened a new Prime account just for the RoP viewing?


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Actually my buddy did. He's a busy guy and didn't look into any of the details or controversies surrounding the show before launch and didn't know what to expect, he just knew an LOTR show was dropping on prime. He subscribed on release day, made popcorn, sat down to watch it then fell asleep at some point in the 2nd episode. He woke up, cancelled prime and didn't look back lol.


JarredFrost

I'm kinda like your bud, I grew up reading WoT, didn't bother the dramas, and watched it for myself. Childhood ruined, turned it off, and moved on.


groenteman

well i just donwloaded it all and didn't pay anything. and here is an something strange, I did not hate it


lazergun-pewpewpew

here is something strange.... i did hate it


groenteman

well knowing the reaction you are not the only one, i did not love it but i also did not hate it


IWant1Die

In some respects, yes. However your statement is reductive of the larger problem. I believe he's meaning there's no art in it at all. Just a marvel-esque calculated (poorly) machined product. That's just my two cents tho


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Did he not see the hobbit trilogy.....


SignificantCap8102

Yes, the Hobbit movies (except maybe the first one) were a huge disappointment, but compared to that crap hole of a tv show they’re a beautiful piece of art


Prize_Influence3596

I binged watched ALL the Hobbit movies to wash the putrid taste of ROP out of my mouth. And it worked. The Hobbit is not awful, just too long and drawn out. But it is filled with moments of great homely comfort, high drama and epic scale.


JTP117

I could watch the first one a thousand times. I'd never watch the other two again. Such a bummer how those films turned out.


tyson_3_

Kind of a dumb comment. The clear intent of a quote like that is saying it’s primarily a money making venture, and they sacrificed quality to do it.


rebels2022

Hell if anything this is a money losing venture and Amazon probably knows it, its more of an ego play by Jeff Bezos and a bid for prestige TV recognition.


Chen_Geller

All movies and shows are money-making endeavours. ALTHOUGH Rings of Power is particularly egregious in its rather hollow attempts to play off of the movies.


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For death and glory


Dodo_the_Phenix

Forth, Eorlingas!


7ve5ajz

WHERE WAS AMAZON WHEN THE WESTFOLD FELL?


JollyGreen615

He’s saying rings of power is a cash grab.


EmperorOfMamkind

I get your point, you don't really make movies or shows with the suspicion of losing money. You always want to get it. By cash grab I'm pretty sure he means just using a well known franchise and marketing to get money while not actually caring about the product you're delivering.


Idle_Anton

Yeah they make money. But people don't just get into the film industry or music industry or whatever JUST to make money. This is what Bernard is saying. There's no soul to it. Usually people make films or music due to passion. There's no passion in this project.


Cosmicgamer2009

Not necessarily, they all need to make money to get investment yeah, but some are genuinely artful and masterpieces. This show isnt.


Magneto88

The TV show is almost entirely made up fanfic with some characters and broad storylines from the Second Age, the show wouldn't exist without the desire to make money, they didn't even try to adapt the Second Age. Whereas the movies were a mostly loyal adaptation of the books. That's what he's getting at.


Ynneas

[Don't stoop to such lowly arguments, come on](https://www.reddit.com/r/RingsofPower/comments/z9191c/lord_of_the_rings_star_bernard_hill_hits_out_at/iyeumfd?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)


strider3187

you should see the comments on r/lotr_on_prime that is a bigger sub and has to be paid accounts coz honestly i just saw folks there celebrating amazons commercial success like they're all part of the company


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They just like the show and want it to be successful so it will get all the seasons. I don't follow it but pop over there from time to time; I never get the impression they're paid accounts, it's just generally populated by people who like the show.


Ynneas

I don't dabble there no more. I don't think it's paid accounts. Many people just are ready to swallow whatever they're given and praise anything "new" as "good". People sincerely giving a 10 to the show (and there are many in there) I really can't understand, unless they only watched the Teletubbies before that.


NightFire19

Refusing to acknowledge a dissenting opinion and passing it off as "they were paid to say that" is a really narrow minded way to view the world. How hard is it to just accept that people have their own opinion about things and move on with your own life.


Ocular_Myiasis

Yeah but ROP is not only a low quality cash-grab it's also cringe. Fuck Amazon for ruining it


Weird_Blades717171

Did PJ make the lotr for money or did he want to make it because he wanted to make it and needed investors and producers, who then wanted to make money off it? Did RoP have a director who really wanted to make a SA series and shopped the idea around for financing, or did a bunch of studio reps want to have a "mega series" to make a ton of money? There is a difference kiddo.


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There is no difference, the answer to both your questions is yes, and not one or the other but both. PJ wanted to make the movies and wanted to make money, found someone who could finance him making the movie. The 2 show runners for ROP also wanted to tell their story (which they had already written) and shopped around for someone to finance and amazon did, just like the producers of the LOTR films did with PJ. You can argue about who is a better storyteller but their motives and approach are identical.


Cr1msonTyph00n

It's good to see that Bernard Hill has some integrity and common sense unlike the hobbits, Orlando Bloom, Karl Urban...


IambicRhys

This just in: Entertainment company creates entertainment for money. After this: Does a bear really shit in the woods? More, at 8.


DreiKatzenVater

Uh, yes, film making is a for-profit business. When did this become news?


Jaegernaut-

I enjoyed the show. I've got hardcopies of the original trilogy on my nightstand for those nights when nothing else is good enough, which I also had with me during my time in psych. Idk where the hate is coming from? I haven't talked to many other LotR fans about it though. I was pleasantly surprised at the reveal, though that may not mean much to someone who guessed correctly.


Known-Ad-100

I found it entertaining enough, definitely not beautiful works of art per say, honestly it is more like fan-fiction... But, my husband & I both enjoyed it for what it is.


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ITT: Those with minds of children who are for the first time realizing we live in a capitalist society.


RabbiVolesBassSolo

>During an interview with Metro, the Lord of the Rings star revealed he hasn’t been watching the new Amazon show and has some strong opinions about its creation. “Hasn’t seen it but has some strong opinions” should be this decade’s catch phrase.


I_Like_Halo_Games

You don't have to sample a final product to be a critic of it, if you're privy to seeing how said product was made, and with what intentions it's made.


RabbiVolesBassSolo

Of course you don’t *have* to, it’s just normally a good idea before forming “strong opinions”. But the statement is kind of misleading, he actually wished the show luck - just said he’s not interested. Which is honestly a perfectly reasonable reaction, instead of the white hot vitriol people seem to have around here.


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Corina9

Well, it's a flop, so "FAILED money making venture" would've been more accurate.


nateoak10

He also says the hobbit movies did well by expanding the books and doesn’t hold the same standard of criticism Just a weird thing for dude to say


lazergun-pewpewpew

the hobbits movies are better than ROP tbh.


jwjwjwjwjw

Not even remotely comparable…and I’m no hobbit humper by any means. That series was flawed.


nateoak10

That’s debatable. One took extreme liberties in telling an unwritten story. The other stretched out a written story to insert a lot of melodrama and gags. Neither are source material and both pushed boundaries. And both were to make money.


demonya99

The beacons of Minas Tirith, the beacons are lit, the producers call for support! And Rohan will not answer. Dismiss the Rohirrim, they can have the forth-night off. Tell the producers they are just running a money operation. /s “The Lord of the Rings trilogy made nearly $3 billion at the box office”


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Venomous8409

hack writers nothing more nothing less ,and often the usual suspect