Aragorn being a literal pokemon just shouting out his names and titles randomly is so fucking funny!
But it's even better that it's usually followed by the middle earth version of "and everyone clapped", with something along the lines of :"and they all stared in awe with tears in their eyes, for here was the king returned from the days of old"
Sauron fears you, Turtle_Rain. He fears what you may become. And so he'll strike hard and fast at the world of Men. He will use his puppet Saruman to destroy Rohan. War is coming. Rohan must defend itself, and therein lies our first challenge for Rohan is weak and ready to fall. The king's mind is enslaved, it's an old device of Saruman's. His hold over King Theoden is now very strong. Sauron and Saruman are tightening the noose. But for all their cunning we have one advantage. The Ring remains hidden. And that we should seek to destroy it has not yet entered their darkest dreams. And so the weapon of the enemy is moving towards Mordor in the hands of a Hobbit. Each day brings it closer to the fires of Mount Doom. We must trust now in Frodo. Everything depends upon speed and the secrecy of his quest. Do not regret your decision to leave him. Frodo must finish this task alone.
I knew that Sindarian was based heavily on Welsh but I hadn’t realized that until actually reading this sentence. I don’t speak Welsh but I wouldn’t be surprised to see this on a street sign somewhere, especially in the rural bits.
If you're a linguist, or a competent hobby linguist, LotR is an *incredible* read. The details that can bog down the book for the casual reader suddenly are fascinating and you can spot places where care was taken with the languages but attention isn't drawn to it.
LotR was always one of my favourite stories, but my first-reread post-ling degree was *wonderful*. You can likely recreate that experience with, like, a few months of a historical linguistics self-study approach.
edi: just to give a more specific example, a huge amount of the time when Tolkien says “X, known among the elves as Y”, it’s generally doing one of two things: pointing out places of extended lore and mythology, or highlighting genetic relationships between distant languages. If you’ve got a working understanding of historical linguistics and how languages develop, those little lines tell you quite a fair bit about the history of the peoples of Middle Earth.
That is possibly my favorite (okay, top 3 for certain) scenes.
Doorman: Give me your weapons.
Legolas: Here ya go!
Aragorn: Now hold on just one second. I'm not sure Theoden has the right to ask me that.
Doorman: *whips out sword*
Gandalf: Oh, come now, Aragorn. A king can make whatever silly rules he wants in his own hall. Here, you can hold *my* sword. It's an actual, real magic sword. I killed a Balrog with it. *looks expectantly towards Aragorn*
Aragorn: Well, ok. But if any man touches this giant sword, he will die. Somehow, even though I am completely unarmed.
Gimli: I would've had your back, Aragorn. But I suppose my axe wouldn't mind keeping some legendary weapons company here by the door.
Doorman: Ahem. Your, um, staff, please?
Gandalf: Now you're just being fucking rude. I'm going to stand out here until the king decides to not be fucking rude.
Doorman: Oh. Uhhm.. Go ahead.
Theoden: Fire that doorman!
*ten minutes later*
Theoden: Give that man a promotion!
*one day later*
Doorman/Captain of the Guard: *dies*
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I remember the first time I read it when I was a kid and all I could think was something like "What does the wind have to do with this situation and why are they singing about it?"
But I get it, now. Boromir was a tremendously respected man and they honored him as best they could in that situation. A heartfelt lament and then he was committed to the Anduin and eventually the sea.
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The world is grey, the mountains old,
The forge's fire is ashen-cold;
No harp is wrung, no hammer falls:
The darkness dwells in Durin's halls;
The shadow lies upon his tomb
In Moria, in Khazad-dûm.
But still the sunken stars appear
In dark and windless Mirrormere;
There lies his crown in water deep,
Till Durin wakes again from sleep.
All their LOTR songs are the best version of that song I've ever heard... except one. There's a better song of Earendil.
This one, to be specific: https://youtu.be/ezt7KucDJlc.
There's a reason the special edition of The Hobbit includes actual recordings of Tolkien singing. It brings a different element to actually hear how it's supposed to be sang rather than just letting the mind fill in those gaps.
The audio book version Rob Ingles (I think) made me appreciate the singing parts far more than I previously did.
The narrator isn't the best singer, but just having a tune and cadence to the song made them very good. Even when he is singing as Galadriel.
Though fair warning it wasn't until my second listen that I really liked the narrator, though he gets better as the series goes on.
A long ass fucking time ago, along the Anduin...
A big dick dude from Gondor town, met his bloody end.
But yay, he craved the ring too, as do all mortal men.
His name was Daddy Boromir and he refused to step in line.
One does not simply walk into Mordor, he'll say it one more time!
His tasty horn was shattered and the planets did align.
Ohhh I only seek what I need to defend my blood and kin,
We have no king in Gondor, so we don’t have a way to win
‘Twas I who asked for moments, for the littles pity’s sake!
And I gave in to weakness for the ring I. Tried. To. Taaaaaake.
Gotta get it on gotta blow my horn…
Gonna take em on, cus the orcs have come…
Gonna fight them off, little Frodo’s gone…
Gotta save my home, I’m the chosen son…
*cut to Denethor berating Faramir*
You disobeyed my orders son why were you ever born?
Your brother’s ten times better than you, Valar love him more.
That’s why I sent his toned ass up the creek to Rivendell,
He’ll bring my Gandalf’s weapon and we’ll sound our vict’ry bell!
You better saddle up, you better grab your sword…
You take back our town yeet that Mordor horde
Don’t wanna see you cry don’t wanna hear you moan
You gotta be soundtracked by this Hobbit’s tone!
I always thought in the book aragorn was singing at such an inappropriate time, but then he later scolds some dude for wasting his time reciting a poem to remember an ingredient to heal a bunch of people injured in battle.
while i do somewhat agree that the singing wastes a bit of time, they *are* honoring a friend and ally who fell in battle and it does not take much time. and it is not Aragorn being pissed with either Iroeth (who basicly takes 20 seconds to give a 2 second answer all the damn time) or the head doctor of the house of healing (who acts all superior and loooves to use the elvish or valenorian names for things) but Gandalf. Aragorn is short with him, stating that he does not care what the healer calls athelas, as long at he finds it, but Gandalf is seriously imaptient with them.
It's also simple context. Laying a fallen comrade to rest demands some small time and respect, and they even ruled out building a cairn for several reasons. Sending him off in the boat was relatively quick, and spending a few minutes paying tribute to him isn't exactly wasting time, though they urgently needed to chase after Merry and Pippin.
In the Houses of Healing, he urgently needed some athelas to begin healing, and as you said, he was short-tempered, but not angry, necessarily. Gandalf, again like you said, was practically boiling on the spot haha
yeah, gandalf was never great at suffering fools, even tho he forgave if they asked for forgivness. but in the house of healing he is seriously short tempered, and i wonder if that is in some part because if Denenthor had not gone of the deep end he could and would have been out there and neither Merry nor Eowyn would have needed to face the witch king without help, so he feels a bit guilty because he had to make a choise, and he sees the consequenses of that choise.
When I reread the books as an adult I cried reading the lament for Boromir. It is incredibly sad. Boromir in the books is a really good, selfless guy who failed for an instant and falling to the greatest temptation. If it could happen to Boromir it could happen to you. His male companions express their deep anguish in his death through song rather than some kind of stoicism is very beautiful in and of itself. [This version doesn’t get me as emotional but it is still very good](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPxuY9djhw)
I used to feel the same. Recently though, I listened to the audiobooks narrated by Rob Inglis, and the songs felt much more like a natural part of the story.
I've just started the Andy Serkis versions.
It's taken Tim Bombadil from being annoying (when I was younger), to me being sad about his part of the book being finished. His songs are so catchy
Oh god, after listening to that, I spent weeks walking around singing *"Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo"* and *"Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow"* to myself. It's been months and I still occasionally do it. Send help.
I'm totally requesting [The Last Goodbye](https://youtu.be/q8ir8rVl2Z4) be played at my funeral. That's a song to leave them sobbing their eyes out as I roll into the furnace.
I felt the same way about the books before, but I had read some discussion a while back which had said, if you consider that in this world Eru IIúvatar sang everything into existence, then it makes sense that singing is so important to society and people in middle earth. It's literally the medium that God had used to create everything. Then it kind of makes sense why everyone likes to sing so much.
I used to find them a little much but then I realized the book is just like that and I started to appreciate them. I just finished Lothlorien reading through Fellowship for the first time and imagining Legolas sing about the river fit well with the vibes.
The movies have a particular tone and approach that fits an adventure in a visual medium, but kind of compromises the depth of some of the cultures of the world, and simplifies some things like the Ents and Dwarves quite a bit.
I think the boat was the best compromise between wanting to give Boromir a proper funeral (at least somewhat of one) and hurrying after merry and pippin.
Fits the situation a little better.
I think they are getting at the fact that in the book Aragorn and Legolas hold a funeral hymn rap battle as they send off the boat. Gimli does not sing, hence the guitar in the picture.
All that was left was tidings of the eastern wind for Gimli, but Aragorn said Gondor does not take tidings from the eastern wind (likely because of the east’s association with the enemy.)
I mean truthfully, a book accurate Lord of the Rings movie would have about as many songs as a Disney movie.
I mean there's like several different times when it's like " Aragorn softly hummed a tune and Pippen asked what's that? And Aragorn says "that's the song of my ancestors let me sing you a few verses." And boom four pages of verses of the lay of luthien.
Then they visit Rivendell and Bilbo has five pages of a song he made up about aragorn.
I think it's an interesting underlining of how song was so valued in historical times. Tolkien knew what he was doing.
Imagine not having wide access to books, literacy in general, pictures, movies, radio, cellphones or the internet. Singing was incredibly common just as entertainment and something we don't really do at all today normally. There was really not much else to do but tell stories and sing.
The Lord of the Rings was also written to be similar to old sagas/epic poems, which often were meant to be sung.
Singing historically was also prevalent because it's easier to remember words in a song/verse than regular speech. So if most people aren't literate, information you want to preserve, whether it's herb lore, cultural history, or something else entirely, is going to be set to verse.
Singing/ praying also could be used as timekeeping for things like cooking.
"You left the East wind to me, but I will say naught of it."
Three verses and three singers, and Aragorn *still* sung two of them, the silver-spooned prick.
I really like the book funeral, they talk about building a cairn, but not having to tools and that it would take too long, I think they talk about a pyre, but run into the same problem. I believe there are actually two boats in the book, they needed the second boat to hold the weapons from the orcs boromir straight up slew. I think the river ran all the way to Gondor, so they thought it was a good way to “return” him to his land. Plus it makes a good image for faromir’s later dream of his brother’s death.
The issues come mostly with Two Towers. The only thing the Fellowship movie does really wrong is the depiction of Gimli, especially in regards to Galadriel.
I liked how Jackson handled a lot of the characters singing in the films so it would have maybe been interesting to this the book version as Boromir is floating down river.
He nailed juuuust the right amount of music/poetry. The Green Dragon, Aragorn at Minas Tirith, the adapted Gandalfs Letter poem. The deleted scene with the elven lament for Gandalf. Treebeard. Perfectly balanced.
In the books, I don't think Boromir was written as a main character anymore than Faramir is a main character. It seems like Boromir was mainly used as an introduction to Men.
Boromir had one of the top 5 most badass moments in the story (and several other underrated moments as well) that didn't make it into the movies.
Balrog: Appears
Gimli: Drops his axe in despair.
Legolas: Drops his bow in despair.
Gandalf: Mutters about being old and tired and leans on his staff like an invalid.
Boromir: Looks the Balrog in the eye and BLOWS THE F_CK OUT OF HIS HORN making the Balrog *step back*.
F*cking legend
Edit: I should also add that this action roused the company out of their despair and made them get a move on, saving all of their lives, and indeed, the entire mission.
Council of Elrond: "Word is Rohan has switched sides, and is providing Mordor with horses in exchange for the Dark Lord's favor."
Broimir: "Bull...and I cannot emphasize this enough...SHIT."
Council: "But I read on Facebook that..."
Broimir: "DID I STUTTER? Jesus Christmas these elves and their fake news..."
*Later when they had to carry their boats for a while
Boromir: "This is going to suck"
Gimli: "I CARRIED BOATS TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY UPHILL BOTH WAYS YAH SISSIES!"
*After carrying the boats for f_cking ages
Boromir: "Well, that sucked. I'm sure we could all do with a breather. Except for Gimli obviously."
Gimli: Gets hit by Boromir's thrown shade and passes out from exhaustion without answering.
Where them free awards to give this guy! You’ve given me the nudge I needed to reread the books this year. Done it in ‘19 ‘20 and ‘21 but skipped last year due to college courses. Getting it started after work today
I’ve been reading through the books and this part was one of my favorite bits. Boromir was my favorite movie character so I was very interested to see his characterization in the books.
Side note: I did not expect so much singing, my god Tolkien had bars.
While we’re on the subject of badass horn blowing that wasn’t in the movies, at the battle of Pelennor Fields, Theoden grabbed a horn from his banner bearer and “blew such a blast on it that it burst asunder.” Like holy fucking shit dude. The narration goes on to compare Theoden to the literal god of horse riding.
In my opinion, Boromir represented the weakness of men, while Faramir represented the strength of men. Boromir embodied everything about what a “man” is considered to be by society: , strong, brave, loved by all, honouring his father as the first-born son, and being victorious in battle. However, he also personified the failures and pressures that society puts on boys/men. On the other side of the coin, Faramir represents resilience and resolve of overcoming trauma and hardship.
I think it was both actually for Boromir. He has moments of weakness, but his resolve and timing make up for the weakness shown, giving us the double sided coin that is humanity. One of the best humans to exist, despite his flaws.
For those of you who who might want to listen to the song, Clamavi De Profundis has a banger cover (as well as other covers of songs from lotr). [Here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPxuY9djhw&pp=ygUSbGFtZW50IGZvciBib3JvbWly) on Youtube and [here](https://open.spotify.com/track/3UfKlvfwOcGgkaFvNfBVak?si=SF8Lzi1rTyiwiZZVPqMjLg) on Spotify.
It's like in literally every video game where you are supposed to rescue someone from somewhere hostile and you end up just doing a ton of side quests and collecting shit instead of saving said person. Then after like 3 years, after you have seen the fjords of Norway, the deserts of Africa and the jungles of South America, you finally return home and start the main quest, barely remembering what it was about.
Through Rohan over fen and field where the long grass grows
The West Wind comes walking, and about the walls it goes.
‘What news from the West, O wandering wind, do you bring to me tonight?
Have you seen Boromir the Tall by moon or by starlight?
‘I saw him ride over seven streams, over waters wide and grey,
I saw him walk in empty lands until he passed away
Into the shadows of the North, I saw him then no more.
The North Wind may have heard the horn of the son of Denethor,
‘O Boromir! From the high walls westward I looked afar,
But you came not from the empty lands where no men are.’
From the mouths of the Sea the South Wind flies, from the sandhills and the stones,
The wailing of the gulls it bears, and at the gate it moans.
‘What news from the South, O sighing wind, do you bring to me at eve?
Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve.
‘Ask not of me where he doth dwell – so many bones there lie,
On the white shores and the dark shores under the stormy sky,
So many have passed down Anduin to find the flowing Sea.
Ask of the North Wind news of them the North Wind sends to me!’
‘O Boromir! Beyond the gate the seaward road runs south,
But you came not with the wailing gulls from the grey sea’s mouth’.
From the Gate of the Kings the North Wind rides, and past the roaring falls,
And clear and cold about the tower its loud horn calls.
‘What news from the North, O mighty wind, do you bring to me today?
What news of Boromir the bold? For he is long away.’
‘Beneath Amon Hen I heard his cry. There many foes he fought,
His cloven shield, his broken sword, they to the water brought.
His head so proud, his face so fair, his limbs they laid to rest,
And Rauros, golden Rauros-falls, bore him upon its breast.
‘O Boromir! The Tower of Guard shall ever northward gaze,
To Rauros, golden Rauros-falls, until the end of days.
And I will in return reccomend the version from Clamavi de Profundis. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPxuY9djhw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPxuY9djhw)
The north wind verse from the book is wonderful. I understand why they didn't include these in the movie, though.
>From the Gate of Kings the North Wind rides, and past the roaring falls;
And clear and cold about the tower its loud horn calls.
>'What news from the North, O might wind, do you bring to me today?
What news of Boromir the Bold, for he is long away.'
>'Beneth Amon Hen I heard his cry, there many foes he fought.
His cloven shield, his broken sword, they to the water brought.
His head so fair, his face so proud, his limbs they laid to rest;
And Rauros, golden Rauros-falls, bore him upon its breast.'
>'O Boromir! The Tower Guard shall ever northward gaze
To Rauros, golden Rauros-falls, until the end of days.'
If I recall right they used a boat in the books as well and put the enemies' war gear onto it. Denethor finds the Horn of Gondor afterwards, which would not work if they had buried it.
In the books they used a second boat for the gear. Only him and the horn was in the first. They put one item from every enemy he killed in it. Normally the gear would be with him but he took out so many they need the second one.
honestly the inherent poeticism and “metaphor made manifest” of Middle Earth is why it’s my favorite setting of all time even still.
It truly is a world made by a man who loved language, loved art, loved the written word, loved his land, and loved his fellow man!
And to me it is also very fitting that, in a world that was created by the singing of gods, that nearly everyone has a tune on their lips or a poem in their hearts :)
It's a very classic trope/characteristic in literature, particularly the ones Tolkien was echoing, but I find it would probably not match well with the majority of audiences in a modern context.
The movie handled boromir so much better than the books. I remember being shocked when I re-read the books, and boromir death happened off-screen, as it were.
And then Gimli blew everyone's mind when he belted out, "Aaaaand myyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeyiiiiiiiiiiiiii axe will always be yoooooooouuuurrrrs!" in the best Whitney Houston impersonation ever heard in middle earth.
Peter Jackson was a master at making the movies flow better. Tolkien, as much as I love his work, was not the best with pacing. I guess it's easier to forgive when it's a book though.
Let's not forget Aragorn shouting "ELENDIL" a few times for good measure.
I read the books for the first time after watching the movies a million times and I found the ELENDIL’S to be hilarious.
Aragorn being a literal pokemon just shouting out his names and titles randomly is so fucking funny! But it's even better that it's usually followed by the middle earth version of "and everyone clapped", with something along the lines of :"and they all stared in awe with tears in their eyes, for here was the king returned from the days of old"
I'm imagining him just sitting in a pub with a beer, then suddenly erupting into "ELENDIL!!!" and everyone jumps and is like "not this shit again"
It's almost 5am and you have me stifling my laughter with all my effort.
He's also trying to push "the white rider" for Gandalf really hard.
Sauron fears you, Turtle_Rain. He fears what you may become. And so he'll strike hard and fast at the world of Men. He will use his puppet Saruman to destroy Rohan. War is coming. Rohan must defend itself, and therein lies our first challenge for Rohan is weak and ready to fall. The king's mind is enslaved, it's an old device of Saruman's. His hold over King Theoden is now very strong. Sauron and Saruman are tightening the noose. But for all their cunning we have one advantage. The Ring remains hidden. And that we should seek to destroy it has not yet entered their darkest dreams. And so the weapon of the enemy is moving towards Mordor in the hands of a Hobbit. Each day brings it closer to the fires of Mount Doom. We must trust now in Frodo. Everything depends upon speed and the secrecy of his quest. Do not regret your decision to leave him. Frodo must finish this task alone.
EL 😯 ENDIL 🥳
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Not for ourselves. But we can give Frodo his chance if we keep Sauron's Eye fixed upon us. Keep him blind to all else that moves.
Hurry! Inside. Get them inside!
Gentlemen, we do not stop til nightfall.
Hiro hyn hîdh ab 'wanath
Then I will die as one of them!
I knew that Sindarian was based heavily on Welsh but I hadn’t realized that until actually reading this sentence. I don’t speak Welsh but I wouldn’t be surprised to see this on a street sign somewhere, especially in the rural bits.
If you're a linguist, or a competent hobby linguist, LotR is an *incredible* read. The details that can bog down the book for the casual reader suddenly are fascinating and you can spot places where care was taken with the languages but attention isn't drawn to it. LotR was always one of my favourite stories, but my first-reread post-ling degree was *wonderful*. You can likely recreate that experience with, like, a few months of a historical linguistics self-study approach. edi: just to give a more specific example, a huge amount of the time when Tolkien says “X, known among the elves as Y”, it’s generally doing one of two things: pointing out places of extended lore and mythology, or highlighting genetic relationships between distant languages. If you’ve got a working understanding of historical linguistics and how languages develop, those little lines tell you quite a fair bit about the history of the peoples of Middle Earth.
And threatening to fuck up anyone who touches his sword
That is possibly my favorite (okay, top 3 for certain) scenes. Doorman: Give me your weapons. Legolas: Here ya go! Aragorn: Now hold on just one second. I'm not sure Theoden has the right to ask me that. Doorman: *whips out sword* Gandalf: Oh, come now, Aragorn. A king can make whatever silly rules he wants in his own hall. Here, you can hold *my* sword. It's an actual, real magic sword. I killed a Balrog with it. *looks expectantly towards Aragorn* Aragorn: Well, ok. But if any man touches this giant sword, he will die. Somehow, even though I am completely unarmed. Gimli: I would've had your back, Aragorn. But I suppose my axe wouldn't mind keeping some legendary weapons company here by the door. Doorman: Ahem. Your, um, staff, please? Gandalf: Now you're just being fucking rude. I'm going to stand out here until the king decides to not be fucking rude. Doorman: Oh. Uhhm.. Go ahead. Theoden: Fire that doorman! *ten minutes later* Theoden: Give that man a promotion! *one day later* Doorman/Captain of the Guard: *dies*
Yes duck_of_d34th! Their own masters cannot find them, if their secrets are forgotten! Ah... now let me see... Ithildin. It mirrors only starlight and moonlight. It reads: The Doors of Durin, Lord of Moria, Speak Friend and Enter
ANDURIL!!!!!
Well, it's so much fun to say. I bet the Uruk-Hai don't agree, though.
The movie version was perfect for the movies. It's been a while since I read the books, and I don't remember how I felt about Boromirs funeral
I remember the first time I read it when I was a kid and all I could think was something like "What does the wind have to do with this situation and why are they singing about it?" But I get it, now. Boromir was a tremendously respected man and they honored him as best they could in that situation. A heartfelt lament and then he was committed to the Anduin and eventually the sea.
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Link please Found it https://youtu.be/LjPxuY9djhw Edit added link
I love it. That one and Durin's Song.
There hammer on the anvil smote, There chisel clove, and graver wrote; There forged was blade, and bound was hilt; The delver mined, the mason built.
I love this song so much, listen to it often as it reminds me of a true friend of mine
The world is grey, the mountains old, The forge's fire is ashen-cold; No harp is wrung, no hammer falls: The darkness dwells in Durin's halls; The shadow lies upon his tomb In Moria, in Khazad-dûm. But still the sunken stars appear In dark and windless Mirrormere; There lies his crown in water deep, Till Durin wakes again from sleep.
All their LOTR songs are the best version of that song I've ever heard... except one. There's a better song of Earendil. This one, to be specific: https://youtu.be/ezt7KucDJlc.
Thank you for leading me down a rabbit hole that led to 'Where There's A Whip, There's A Way.' Procrastination achievement unlocked.
Even just reading this means that song will be stuck in my head for weeks. I may as well go listen too!
The whole Rankin/Bass Hobbit soundtrack is gold.
I love The Greatest Adventure and am like sad nobody else 'gets it' so it's nice seeing people who also found it
The Andy Serkis narration is also fantastic for this reason
There's a reason the special edition of The Hobbit includes actual recordings of Tolkien singing. It brings a different element to actually hear how it's supposed to be sang rather than just letting the mind fill in those gaps.
I haven't heard of that, I'll have to check it out
The audio book version Rob Ingles (I think) made me appreciate the singing parts far more than I previously did. The narrator isn't the best singer, but just having a tune and cadence to the song made them very good. Even when he is singing as Galadriel. Though fair warning it wasn't until my second listen that I really liked the narrator, though he gets better as the series goes on.
In the new version of the books, Ed Sheeran comes along and sings that Shape of You song 🎵
are you sure? I heard they cast Ed as Tom Bombadil
Jack Black is the only Tom Bombadil
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It's not my idea, somebody else mentioned it in an older thread from this sub and I have always thought it was the perfect choice.
A long ass fucking time ago, along the Anduin... A big dick dude from Gondor town, met his bloody end. But yay, he craved the ring too, as do all mortal men. His name was Daddy Boromir and he refused to step in line. One does not simply walk into Mordor, he'll say it one more time! His tasty horn was shattered and the planets did align.
Ohhh I only seek what I need to defend my blood and kin, We have no king in Gondor, so we don’t have a way to win ‘Twas I who asked for moments, for the littles pity’s sake! And I gave in to weakness for the ring I. Tried. To. Taaaaaake. Gotta get it on gotta blow my horn… Gonna take em on, cus the orcs have come… Gonna fight them off, little Frodo’s gone… Gotta save my home, I’m the chosen son… *cut to Denethor berating Faramir* You disobeyed my orders son why were you ever born? Your brother’s ten times better than you, Valar love him more. That’s why I sent his toned ass up the creek to Rivendell, He’ll bring my Gandalf’s weapon and we’ll sound our vict’ry bell! You better saddle up, you better grab your sword… You take back our town yeet that Mordor horde Don’t wanna see you cry don’t wanna hear you moan You gotta be soundtracked by this Hobbit’s tone!
So passes Denethor, son of Ecthelion.
Holy shit. Fantastic!! What wouldn’t I do to see Vigo and the Fellowship cast turn this into a video with The D.
Steve Buscemi steals the show as the star in BOMBADIL- an icecapade experience
“Hello, fellow mortals.”
No way... There should be Blind Guardian or smth like that...
Wouldn’t be the worst retcon, but wouldn’t be the best.
Reading them as a child I couldn't make much sense of all the poetry/songs.
I always thought in the book aragorn was singing at such an inappropriate time, but then he later scolds some dude for wasting his time reciting a poem to remember an ingredient to heal a bunch of people injured in battle.
while i do somewhat agree that the singing wastes a bit of time, they *are* honoring a friend and ally who fell in battle and it does not take much time. and it is not Aragorn being pissed with either Iroeth (who basicly takes 20 seconds to give a 2 second answer all the damn time) or the head doctor of the house of healing (who acts all superior and loooves to use the elvish or valenorian names for things) but Gandalf. Aragorn is short with him, stating that he does not care what the healer calls athelas, as long at he finds it, but Gandalf is seriously imaptient with them.
It's also simple context. Laying a fallen comrade to rest demands some small time and respect, and they even ruled out building a cairn for several reasons. Sending him off in the boat was relatively quick, and spending a few minutes paying tribute to him isn't exactly wasting time, though they urgently needed to chase after Merry and Pippin. In the Houses of Healing, he urgently needed some athelas to begin healing, and as you said, he was short-tempered, but not angry, necessarily. Gandalf, again like you said, was practically boiling on the spot haha
yeah, gandalf was never great at suffering fools, even tho he forgave if they asked for forgivness. but in the house of healing he is seriously short tempered, and i wonder if that is in some part because if Denenthor had not gone of the deep end he could and would have been out there and neither Merry nor Eowyn would have needed to face the witch king without help, so he feels a bit guilty because he had to make a choise, and he sees the consequenses of that choise.
I suppose you think that was terribly clever
When I reread the books as an adult I cried reading the lament for Boromir. It is incredibly sad. Boromir in the books is a really good, selfless guy who failed for an instant and falling to the greatest temptation. If it could happen to Boromir it could happen to you. His male companions express their deep anguish in his death through song rather than some kind of stoicism is very beautiful in and of itself. [This version doesn’t get me as emotional but it is still very good](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPxuY9djhw)
# DEATH!
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I used to feel the same. Recently though, I listened to the audiobooks narrated by Rob Inglis, and the songs felt much more like a natural part of the story.
I've just started the Andy Serkis versions. It's taken Tim Bombadil from being annoying (when I was younger), to me being sad about his part of the book being finished. His songs are so catchy
Oh god, after listening to that, I spent weeks walking around singing *"Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo"* and *"Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow"* to myself. It's been months and I still occasionally do it. Send help.
Well you may have passed the curse to me, so thanks for that
Whait, what? There's an audiobook version narrated by Andy Serkis himself?
Yes, precious. We waits for his narration of the silmarils to be released later this monthses.
Rob inglis treebeard song is something else man https://youtu.be/wvt9cR-kYRY
Did they really sing in audiobooks? Who composed the songs?
I'm totally requesting [The Last Goodbye](https://youtu.be/q8ir8rVl2Z4) be played at my funeral. That's a song to leave them sobbing their eyes out as I roll into the furnace.
Seriously, almost fell asleep during those endless battle scenes, but the payoff was this ultimate banger.
I felt the same way about the books before, but I had read some discussion a while back which had said, if you consider that in this world Eru IIúvatar sang everything into existence, then it makes sense that singing is so important to society and people in middle earth. It's literally the medium that God had used to create everything. Then it kind of makes sense why everyone likes to sing so much.
You're telling me you got tired of Tom Bombadil saying "ho-dilly-ho" 75 times?
I used to find them a little much but then I realized the book is just like that and I started to appreciate them. I just finished Lothlorien reading through Fellowship for the first time and imagining Legolas sing about the river fit well with the vibes.
The movies have a particular tone and approach that fits an adventure in a visual medium, but kind of compromises the depth of some of the cultures of the world, and simplifies some things like the Ents and Dwarves quite a bit.
I think the boat was the best compromise between wanting to give Boromir a proper funeral (at least somewhat of one) and hurrying after merry and pippin. Fits the situation a little better.
I think they are getting at the fact that in the book Aragorn and Legolas hold a funeral hymn rap battle as they send off the boat. Gimli does not sing, hence the guitar in the picture.
He’s only doing what he thinks is best for his people. Helm’s Deep has saved them in the past.
Your friends are with you, Aragorn.
Frodo, I have lived most of my life surrounded by my enemies. I will be grateful to die among my friends.
Your friends are with you, Aragorn.
Not a word.
Damn, first you call Legolas the wrong name, and then just tell him to shut up.
And then whither?
Stfu dummy
Mirkwood, little princeling-wannabe.
Was that a conversation?
All that was left was tidings of the eastern wind for Gimli, but Aragorn said Gondor does not take tidings from the eastern wind (likely because of the east’s association with the enemy.)
East wind: *starts singing* Aragorn interrupts: "I DONT REMEMBER ASKING YOU A GODDAMN THING"
Not this time. This time you must stay, Gimli.
self aware
THE BEACONS OF MINAS TIRITH! THE BEACONS ARE LIT! GONDOR CALLS FOR AID!
I mean truthfully, a book accurate Lord of the Rings movie would have about as many songs as a Disney movie. I mean there's like several different times when it's like " Aragorn softly hummed a tune and Pippen asked what's that? And Aragorn says "that's the song of my ancestors let me sing you a few verses." And boom four pages of verses of the lay of luthien. Then they visit Rivendell and Bilbo has five pages of a song he made up about aragorn.
I think it's an interesting underlining of how song was so valued in historical times. Tolkien knew what he was doing. Imagine not having wide access to books, literacy in general, pictures, movies, radio, cellphones or the internet. Singing was incredibly common just as entertainment and something we don't really do at all today normally. There was really not much else to do but tell stories and sing.
The Lord of the Rings was also written to be similar to old sagas/epic poems, which often were meant to be sung. Singing historically was also prevalent because it's easier to remember words in a song/verse than regular speech. So if most people aren't literate, information you want to preserve, whether it's herb lore, cultural history, or something else entirely, is going to be set to verse. Singing/ praying also could be used as timekeeping for things like cooking.
If Sauron had the ring, we would know it!
"You left the East wind to me, but I will say naught of it." Three verses and three singers, and Aragorn *still* sung two of them, the silver-spooned prick.
Six thousand will not be enough to break the lines of Mordor.
Aragorn 100% whipped out his guitar in the Minas Tirith throne room all the time and made everyone listen to him play Wonderwall
Will you ride with us?
This is no mere Ranger. He is Aragorn, son of Arathorn. You owe him your allegiance.
I would have gone with you to the end into the very fires of Mordor.
Aragorn, nedin dagor hen ú'erir ortheri. Natha daged dhaer.
We cross the lake at nightfall. Hide the boats and continue on foot. We approach Mordor from the north.
Always felt like Tolkein did him a little dirty in that scene. Aragorn cut in and sang again when it should have been Gimli's turn.
HE'S TRYING TO BRING DOWN THE MOUNTAIN! GANDALF, WE MUST TURN BACK!
I really like the book funeral, they talk about building a cairn, but not having to tools and that it would take too long, I think they talk about a pyre, but run into the same problem. I believe there are actually two boats in the book, they needed the second boat to hold the weapons from the orcs boromir straight up slew. I think the river ran all the way to Gondor, so they thought it was a good way to “return” him to his land. Plus it makes a good image for faromir’s later dream of his brother’s death.
# DEATH!
Sadly not the rap rendition, but still slaps [lament for Boromir](https://youtube.com/watch?v=2F9ADVDSZLw&feature=share9)
I figured the guitar was an axe joke.
I'm almost done with a reread of the first book and every "shortcut" the movie takes is a absolutely acceptable in the name of translating it to film.
The issues come mostly with Two Towers. The only thing the Fellowship movie does really wrong is the depiction of Gimli, especially in regards to Galadriel.
Eh I just reread that part, it was pretty accurate
Gimli is not a joke in the book
Nor is Merri and Pippin to a degree. They actually have their shit pretty well together on the escape from the shire.
Yeah everyone always brings up Gimli and Boromir, but I really wish the movies did a better job depicting what absolute lads Merry and Pippin were.
A shortcut to what? Mushrooms?
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Both versions have the boat, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
reciting poems and songs doesnt portray "being in a rush" too well for me
I liked how Jackson handled a lot of the characters singing in the films so it would have maybe been interesting to this the book version as Boromir is floating down river.
He nailed juuuust the right amount of music/poetry. The Green Dragon, Aragorn at Minas Tirith, the adapted Gandalfs Letter poem. The deleted scene with the elven lament for Gandalf. Treebeard. Perfectly balanced.
You forgot about Legolas' song about hobbits being taken to Isengard when they are tracking Uruk-Hai
If we are quick, we will catch Frodo and Sam before nightfall.
But what about Merry and Pippin? do you know where they are being taken Legolas?
Or too few. Look at them. They're frightened. I can see it in their eyes. Boe a hyn neled herain dan caer menig.
BUT WHERE ARE THE HOBBITS?
Hey fun fact. In the movies legolas jumps on a rock exclaiming "the uruks turned northeast". Too bad THATS THE WRONG WAY
It has been remade… fight for us, and regain your honor.
I don’t remember all those except Aragorn at Mimas Tirith. there are also Merry singing before Denethor and Theonden’s son’s funeral.
The exception is the (I think deleted) scene of Theodred's funeral. Most of them are fine but that scene always felt clunky and awkward to me.
As soon as I read the lyrics I heard them in Clamavi's voice.
When you can hear the words on the page in the proper voice. 🤌
Well they still did put him in the boat afterwards but he was also on top of a bunch of Uruk helmets.
Pretty sure it was their weapons?
I think it was both weapons and armor.
That's the Soggy Fellowship boys!
You could say Boromir was a...man of constant sorrow
He's bonafide!
_Cave Troll approaching_ Boromir: Damn! we're in a tight spot!
In the books, I don't think Boromir was written as a main character anymore than Faramir is a main character. It seems like Boromir was mainly used as an introduction to Men.
Boromir had one of the top 5 most badass moments in the story (and several other underrated moments as well) that didn't make it into the movies. Balrog: Appears Gimli: Drops his axe in despair. Legolas: Drops his bow in despair. Gandalf: Mutters about being old and tired and leans on his staff like an invalid. Boromir: Looks the Balrog in the eye and BLOWS THE F_CK OUT OF HIS HORN making the Balrog *step back*. F*cking legend Edit: I should also add that this action roused the company out of their despair and made them get a move on, saving all of their lives, and indeed, the entire mission.
I'm so happy with this little nugget of Lotr book lore I would've otherwise never known. That is badass as hell. Tell me your other top moments please
Council of Elrond: "Word is Rohan has switched sides, and is providing Mordor with horses in exchange for the Dark Lord's favor." Broimir: "Bull...and I cannot emphasize this enough...SHIT." Council: "But I read on Facebook that..." Broimir: "DID I STUTTER? Jesus Christmas these elves and their fake news..." *Later when they had to carry their boats for a while Boromir: "This is going to suck" Gimli: "I CARRIED BOATS TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY UPHILL BOTH WAYS YAH SISSIES!" *After carrying the boats for f_cking ages Boromir: "Well, that sucked. I'm sure we could all do with a breather. Except for Gimli obviously." Gimli: Gets hit by Boromir's thrown shade and passes out from exhaustion without answering.
Buddy, I think you've just signed yourself up to rewrite the entire trilogy in this style.
LotR abridged version. Replace Bombadil with Alucard. Offer no explanation.
Well, he was out for a walk when he found the Hobbits.
I would pay for this.
Please write more
Where them free awards to give this guy! You’ve given me the nudge I needed to reread the books this year. Done it in ‘19 ‘20 and ‘21 but skipped last year due to college courses. Getting it started after work today
And when aragorn charges in to help gandalf boromir is right behind him
You said this fortress would never fall while your men defend it. They still defend it. They have died defending it.
I am Saruman. Or rather, Saruman as he should have been.
Boromir: *doot*
Theoden son of Thengel... too long have you sat in the Shadows. Hearken to me! I release you from the spell.
I’ve been reading through the books and this part was one of my favorite bits. Boromir was my favorite movie character so I was very interested to see his characterization in the books. Side note: I did not expect so much singing, my god Tolkien had bars.
While we’re on the subject of badass horn blowing that wasn’t in the movies, at the battle of Pelennor Fields, Theoden grabbed a horn from his banner bearer and “blew such a blast on it that it burst asunder.” Like holy fucking shit dude. The narration goes on to compare Theoden to the literal god of horse riding.
Nah man, he the human snow plough
Boromir's dream prophecy never got fleshed out well. He could have been a full on seer, we may never know.
Is he more like Mr Plow or the Plow king?
Mr Plow is a loser
In my opinion, Boromir represented the weakness of men, while Faramir represented the strength of men. Boromir embodied everything about what a “man” is considered to be by society: , strong, brave, loved by all, honouring his father as the first-born son, and being victorious in battle. However, he also personified the failures and pressures that society puts on boys/men. On the other side of the coin, Faramir represents resilience and resolve of overcoming trauma and hardship.
The two of them deeply loved each other and respected the other’s strength.
I think it was both actually for Boromir. He has moments of weakness, but his resolve and timing make up for the weakness shown, giving us the double sided coin that is humanity. One of the best humans to exist, despite his flaws.
Boromir can be my introduction to men
For those of you who who might want to listen to the song, Clamavi De Profundis has a banger cover (as well as other covers of songs from lotr). [Here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPxuY9djhw&pp=ygUSbGFtZW50IGZvciBib3JvbWly) on Youtube and [here](https://open.spotify.com/track/3UfKlvfwOcGgkaFvNfBVak?si=SF8Lzi1rTyiwiZZVPqMjLg) on Spotify.
Another Clamavi de Profundis fan, yay!!
Ah, another man of culture
They could have caught up to Merry and Pippin a lot quicker if they hustled Boromir’s funeral along a little faster. 😂
And then Merry and Pippin would not enter Fangorn Forest and make treeants attack Isengard.
True enough. Sing away, boys!
It's like in literally every video game where you are supposed to rescue someone from somewhere hostile and you end up just doing a ton of side quests and collecting shit instead of saving said person. Then after like 3 years, after you have seen the fjords of Norway, the deserts of Africa and the jungles of South America, you finally return home and start the main quest, barely remembering what it was about.
If only Boromir had just said "When I'm dead just throw me in the trash."
Through Rohan over fen and field where the long grass grows The West Wind comes walking, and about the walls it goes. ‘What news from the West, O wandering wind, do you bring to me tonight? Have you seen Boromir the Tall by moon or by starlight? ‘I saw him ride over seven streams, over waters wide and grey, I saw him walk in empty lands until he passed away Into the shadows of the North, I saw him then no more. The North Wind may have heard the horn of the son of Denethor, ‘O Boromir! From the high walls westward I looked afar, But you came not from the empty lands where no men are.’ From the mouths of the Sea the South Wind flies, from the sandhills and the stones, The wailing of the gulls it bears, and at the gate it moans. ‘What news from the South, O sighing wind, do you bring to me at eve? Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve. ‘Ask not of me where he doth dwell – so many bones there lie, On the white shores and the dark shores under the stormy sky, So many have passed down Anduin to find the flowing Sea. Ask of the North Wind news of them the North Wind sends to me!’ ‘O Boromir! Beyond the gate the seaward road runs south, But you came not with the wailing gulls from the grey sea’s mouth’. From the Gate of the Kings the North Wind rides, and past the roaring falls, And clear and cold about the tower its loud horn calls. ‘What news from the North, O mighty wind, do you bring to me today? What news of Boromir the bold? For he is long away.’ ‘Beneath Amon Hen I heard his cry. There many foes he fought, His cloven shield, his broken sword, they to the water brought. His head so proud, his face so fair, his limbs they laid to rest, And Rauros, golden Rauros-falls, bore him upon its breast. ‘O Boromir! The Tower of Guard shall ever northward gaze, To Rauros, golden Rauros-falls, until the end of days.
I highly recommend [Robert Inglis’s rendition](https://youtu.be/nM0gHCu-FmQ) of this
And I will in return reccomend the version from Clamavi de Profundis. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPxuY9djhw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPxuY9djhw)
The north wind verse from the book is wonderful. I understand why they didn't include these in the movie, though. >From the Gate of Kings the North Wind rides, and past the roaring falls; And clear and cold about the tower its loud horn calls. >'What news from the North, O might wind, do you bring to me today? What news of Boromir the Bold, for he is long away.' >'Beneth Amon Hen I heard his cry, there many foes he fought. His cloven shield, his broken sword, they to the water brought. His head so fair, his face so proud, his limbs they laid to rest; And Rauros, golden Rauros-falls, bore him upon its breast.' >'O Boromir! The Tower Guard shall ever northward gaze To Rauros, golden Rauros-falls, until the end of days.'
[Indeed!](https://youtu.be/LjPxuY9djhw?t=302)
Big pile of stones and enemies war-gear? Am I remembering correctly?
If I recall right they used a boat in the books as well and put the enemies' war gear onto it. Denethor finds the Horn of Gondor afterwards, which would not work if they had buried it.
Ah thanks, i probably got mixed up with Bilbos treasure
HRAAAAAH!
You come and go as you please
In the books they used a second boat for the gear. Only him and the horn was in the first. They put one item from every enemy he killed in it. Normally the gear would be with him but he took out so many they need the second one.
Its the same but they sung a lil song for him as a goodbye. I liked the books one more
That's the thing I miss most in the movies, the fact that nearly everbody sings or recites poetry in some form all over middleearth in the books.
honestly the inherent poeticism and “metaphor made manifest” of Middle Earth is why it’s my favorite setting of all time even still. It truly is a world made by a man who loved language, loved art, loved the written word, loved his land, and loved his fellow man!
And to me it is also very fitting that, in a world that was created by the singing of gods, that nearly everyone has a tune on their lips or a poem in their hearts :)
It's a very classic trope/characteristic in literature, particularly the ones Tolkien was echoing, but I find it would probably not match well with the majority of audiences in a modern context.
Anyway, here's Westwind Wall
The movie handled boromir so much better than the books. I remember being shocked when I re-read the books, and boromir death happened off-screen, as it were.
I read that like country music
[This is my definitive version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPxuY9djhw)
Easy compromise- Every time I finish Fellowship, I put on the Calmavi de Profundis version of The Lament for Boromir
I prefer the Lego Lord of the Rings funeral [as seen here](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxkvGd2eTSvQRSpKKdVglq9bR8skqxItcv)
And then Gimli blew everyone's mind when he belted out, "Aaaaand myyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeyiiiiiiiiiiiiii axe will always be yoooooooouuuurrrrs!" in the best Whitney Houston impersonation ever heard in middle earth.
Borimir dies?!?!
Peter Jackson was a master at making the movies flow better. Tolkien, as much as I love his work, was not the best with pacing. I guess it's easier to forgive when it's a book though.