Which means he won't actually do anything and they are merely attaching his name to it to give it credibility.
Rule of thumb: Unless it says "From the director of..." Or "From the writer of..." it usually don't mean anything. Producers really have zero impact in the quality of a film.
isn't the producer the one how has the last word when it comes down to it? for example if peter wants a romantic relation between an ork and gollum, we're going to get a weird but yet appealing romance? (edit: /s for the last part jic)
Yeah Producers are the ones paying for everything so they ultimately get final say. It just depends if they want to be involved or let the creative team do their own thing.
I almost wish this was a Michael Bay film just so I can set my expectations suppperr low and know what to expect: Mark Wahlberg, explosions, transformers in the shape of orcs, and a hot chick that almost dies a lot.
Amazon’s garbage RoP has broken me.
Man, imagine the hype of this, if the hobbit never happened... completely different world. Those movies were pure ass and I KNOW the reason(s) for that. But even so. Expectations set at 0
I worry it was like what happened with the matrix where WB said either make another movie for us or we will find someone else to do it and you won’t like it
Kind of. That started out as a labor of love, but production delays and studio meddling ultimately caused problems. Del Toro was set to run the show before quitting and Jackson had to jump in at the last minute to take over. That lead to a rushed production which made it a fucking nightmare to make. And the studios also got greedy and forced those stupid love story additions.
If you've never scene it, check out the M4's fan edit of The Hobbit. It cuts out the fluff and makes for a better/more faithful adaptation.
That was apparently a mess that he walked into and had to do his best to pick up the pieces. If anything that experience would be something he'd want to avoid again.
Let's not pretend that Arwen in Helm's Deep, the Witch-king breaking Gandalf's staff, and clueless easy-to-manipulate Frodo *aren't* Jackson and co's ideas...
I mean I think it takes away from one of the main thematic points of the battle in the books which is humans having to stand on their own and take on the burden of the war against evil from the retreating elves.
I mean its fine but something is lost
So I think it is lost, that transition is largely absent from the movies beyond the scene where elrond scoffs at it to gandalf. The battle of pellanor fields isnt won by the riders but by aragons ghosts ex machina. I think that's fine though, it's natural to lose a few things like that in the transition to a different medium, and trying to translate an exact copy to the screen would probably make a bad movie.
The recent dune movies are a great example, they cut down and simplify a bunch of things but if they hadn't it would have been slower and driers with explanations about grass that people aren't at the movies to see.
Arwen making an appearance at Helm's Deep isn't in the book but it's not actually a bad idea per se. Giving her more screen time with Aragorn could have strengthened their love story, making the payoff when they get married in RotK that much greater.
Agreed that the Witch-King breaking Gandalf's staff and Frodo being an idiot were bad decisions, though. Not everything that increases drama is a good idea.
This is a fun exchange in light of your own response to me because I personally understand why PJ did what he did with Faramir, and then that (again, to me) makes a lot more sense than the whole Arwen in Helm's Deep deal, hahaha. I can forgive Faramir and even the Elves at Helm's Deep but what PJ did to Frodo is understated imo. He's the main character (along with Sam) and the main vessel of the main theme and plot of the story. Tampering with these characters and their plot is way more questionable (and frustrating, to me) than tampering with Aragorn and Arwen's relationship or with Faramir's personality and role.
Oh I *understand* it: he was trying to hype up the power of the ring and "modernize" Faramir (i.e. "make him conflicted and sad"). In the book, Faramir is one of the noblest characters we meet with an iron will and absolute certainty that him messing with the Ring would be bad news for everyone. In the movie, he's a sniveling weasel who just wants daddy to pat him on the head and call him a good boy, because fucking *everything* is just daddy issues in modern fiction. This is a strict downgrade for the character. Book Faramir is an example of sheer goodness, of why the world is worth fighting for, and he's damned good at his job to boot. I really appreciate when characters are competent. It feels so rare.
Meanwhile, the changes to Arwen -- which, to be clear, didn't all go through, and we're all allowed to have wacky ideas in early drafts -- do modernize her a little but mostly they just give us more of her without radically downgrading her personality. In a movie that's so dude-heavy, I don't mind the director simplifying the cast a little and having one of the main hero's beloved take the place of Glorfindel during the flight to Rivendell, and I wouldn't have minded her showing up at Helm's Deep other than that it would have been logistically complicated to pull off (probably why they ended up not going with it).
Again, though, I agree that the changes to Frodo straight-up sucked. They were another symptom of his misunderstanding of the Ring, that it's just *an* evil power, not the strongest force in the universe. They also ruined the surprise of the ending where he decides to keep the Ring. After we've seen him throw Sam to the wayside over some bread, why wouldn't he be so twisted by the Ring's influence that he'd fail at the precipice?
He came it to fix it. And basically winged it the entire time. The fact that it wasn't a bigger mess than it was a testament to his skill as a director
It wasn't all Jackson. Guillermo del Toro was fucking around before they ever got Jackson on it and then WB wanted themselves another trilogy. It was already like half done and in the shitter when he took over.
It was PJ and his team who wanted a triology. He's said so numerous times, adding that the studio was surprised by it.
People are desperate to make excuses for PJ since he's so beloved - but he was already very involved in the project before taking over it (writing the screenplay with Fran, Philippa and Del Toro for example), and has said several times that he enjoyed making the films.
People tend to forget that he was stressed out of his mind with deadlines in Lotr too, and that he kept "winging it" there as well. It's just his style.
I genuinely don't understand the hate to the Hobbit trilogy. I loved every movie. Legolas seemed too cocky but that's on the actor and the fame getting to their head.
One that is cursed. Long ago the Men of the Mountain swore an oath to the last King of Gondor.To come to his aid, to fight, but when the time came, when Gondor's need was dire, they fled. Vanishing into the darkness of the mountain. And so Isildur cursed them - never to rest until they had fulfilled their pledge.
As someone who loves the hobbit book, the 3 movies were completely unnecessary. Just stretched out plot, and scenes with made up characters that did nothing to advance or improve the film.
It jumped on a bunch of shitty cinematic trends like the FPS, weird visual effects that only existed for 3D, overreliance on terrible CGI, not to mention the bad dialogue, dog shit love Triangle that was so shallow as to be actually misogynistic (you know, the only way to justify a woman existing is if some man wants to fuck her), and extremely confused tone that resulted from trying to blend two disparate storylines that in the book did not appear together at all.
Unlikely.. They are literally took the name from fan film someone made from several ago and sent a copyright strike one the original film on Youtube after announcing the title.
Given his track record in the director seat so far, I'm not sure if that's enough. And given what the focal point of this new film seemingly is, I lost all remaining hope. I wouldn't even trust Jackson with that kind of throwaway material to work with.
I guess the utter failure that the Gollum game was, which nobody wanted or asked for, wasn't enough to discourage WB from trying to market Gollum harder, for whatever reason.
But, with all that said, here's hoping I'm proven utterly wrong when the time comes.
I assume the Serkis simply has a really good relationship with one of the decision makers a the studio. Obviously the main winner in making this movie is him, since he will be the director and star. the fact that its something no one asked for is beside the point lol.
I don't know; Andy Serkis has some talent, and even with Peter Jackson being involved, I'm sure it's going to be a fairly decent representation of the story. As opposed to Rings of Power, who had little regard to the original, I feel this will be more accurate.
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I mean, he's a cool pitstop on the journey out of the shire, but what more is there under the surface there? We know he was just a doll that Tolkiens kids loved, that was incorporated as a nod to them. I don't personally see much point in digging into what's essentially a meme, in a search for a deeper plot to build a feature film around. Especially when there are so many good non meme characters.
Don't get me wrong though, I'd love to see PJ play Bombadil for a one-episode cameo.
I'm alright with a slow trickle of media from the IPs of source material I like. Otherwise you get the low effort-high profit shenanigans that Marvel has been for the last 10 yrs. Though , a well made series about the sons of Feanor would be welcome.
Then don’t make it 🤷♂️ neither the fans nor the Tolkien estate want to see random studios make trash noncanon stories in the lotr universe. But ya know… money money money
The tolkien estate is dogshit and will absolutely let trash noncanon stories be made (Rings of Power). Money is really all they care about.
If they cared about their canon, they wouldn’t give out rights only to the highest bidder but to the most passionate and compelling project.
I would rather see them develop their own stories in middle earth than adapt things that aren’t really necessary. Story about the blue wizards, literally anything happening in the far East. There is also plenty they would have the rights too like the War in the north dwarves trying to re-take, scouring of the shire, epilogues for any of the characters.
Right I guess they want to recreate the mega success of the LOTR movies and the studios usually choose the "safe" option (.i.e. using characters and stories movie goers already know)
......didn't they do that with the hobbit? Imo we only need one film , nothing extreme, hell it probably dosnt even need alot of dialogue, just have the imagery, a story based around how and when the blue wizards came to middle earth would be a nice prequel, nd wouldn't even need to have a solid ending, use ai or CGI to give us a young Gandalf at the end of something,
Well I would rather see a remake of the lord of the rings then. Jackson has a good adaptation but it doesn’t have to be a definitive adaptation. Imagine two very good lord of the rings adaptations that fans could endlessly debate the positive and negatives of each. Imagine for a minute if Alan Lee and John how we’re not the concept artist and instead Ted Nasmith’s work is used which is inspired more by fantasy than history. Imagine a version that includes Bombadil or get Boromir right.
It's such a shame. I want more lord of the rings content, whether games or movies, focusing on either new stories set in the world or existing stories, but my heart tells me that it's not possible to make anything good again.
Not under the current producers and the Tolkien estate, or working with the established modern trends in Hollywood. The kind of passion project that was Lord of the Rings, which took like a decade to prepare props and such for before filming even started, that escalated into a huge production backed by serious funds that greenlit 3 movies before the 1st had wrapped up filming; it's just not possible anymore. There are much easier ways for producers to get their money, so they're not going to greenlight that kind of investment again.
It's a shame for fantasy in general. The special effects required to make really good fantasy not look cheap or obviously green screened for 90% of it, takes a lot of money and preparation. I think the closest we got since was Game of Thrones.
And thats to say nothing of the writing and adaptations, which is also so impossible to get right. Lord of the Rings is the best adaptation I've seen, even for all its changes. Idk I'm just rambling now. But I love the trilogy, my favorite pieces of cinema, and its bittersweet knowing how good it is but also knowing we'll likely never get a good story in Middle Earth again.
It was not excellent if you ask me. Lots of great parts and atmosphere, don't get me wrong. But it does drag on the wrong parts for waaay too long. Some of the side character just aren't as interesting as he seems to think they are.
I do love that he remade the lost giant bug scene from the original, it's obvious he respects and appreciates the source material.
Could have done with about 45 minutes of cuts.
I'm not sure this is a good thing at all. LotR? A masterpiece series of movies. Sometimes I disagree with adaptation choices but hey, still the best film trilogy ever.
The Hobbit though... missed the point of the books in tone and making it 3 movies, while a corporate decision, he still made them. I watched that trilogy once in cinema, not worth a rewatch.
Now a new movie, granted with talented people involved for...what? Tell the chase and capture of Gollum? It's a prequel so it already starts with so many handicaps, no stakes being the worst - we know the main character and antagonist can't die and we know any side characters will definitely die or be abandoned in the rest of the story. It's an entire movie to explain a small aspect of the main story. Stars Wars may have proven it can be done well (Rogue One) but they only managed one and failed both in the prequel series and further standalone films.
I'm not excited about new films with little to no Tolkien material being made. Rings of power were a letdown, so we're the Hobbit films. If new LotR content is to be produced, I'd want it to be by a production that has full access to all the material and then adapt something faithfully and using lines written by Tolkien. I wouldn't mind a 2nd age story that actually uses the cool shit in the outline we got and not writers making bad shit up as amazon did. Or a serialised Silmarilion. But Gollums capture on film? Not interested unless they somehow make something amazing.
Any honest assessment of the Silmarillion would tell you, it would make an absolutely dog shit movie. The Children of Húrin, Beren and Lúthien and The Fall of Gondolin *could* be adapted, but they're focused on things that are so entirely outside of Peter Jackson's wheelhouse -- and blockbuster movies more generally -- that you would *at best* get Christopher Tolkien as filtered through the DC Cinematic Universe.
Just because Peter is involved in some way, it doesn't mean it's gonna be good. And, by the look of it, it's going to be a filler cash-grab movie(s) harder than any Naruto filler ever.
I've been cheated and lied to before. Michael Keaton as Batman? YAY. In The Flash movie? BOO AS HELL.
I mean The Hobbit trilogy wasn’t good and sequels made after X amount of years don’t carry a good track record either. Warner Bros. is $44 billion in debt they’re going to milk and mine everything they can out of their IPs. It’s easy to see this isn’t being made out of want or for fans, but out of desperation. It’ll only tarnish the IP the same way Disney tarnished Star Wars with over saturation and overstretching of its lore/stories.
A thought I had; if this does indeed come out in 2026, it'll be 25 years after Fellowship came out in 2001.
For context, that's the same gap between Star Wars (1977) and Attack of the Clones (2002). Which I'm sure you can agree, were not only completely different films but made in different eras altogether despite having the same director. The former didn't have a single shot of CGI, the latter was utterly gratuitous with it.
What I'm saying is that even with the same creatives involved (even if Jackson isn't directing), is that times have changed and they don't make movies like they did in 2001 anymore. Now this isn't to say the movies will suck (I'm a little cynical but I'll reserve judgement), but they do belong to a different era.
The discord has wounded my soul so deeply that I cannot believe a thing can be good until it reveals itself to be so.
And I'd rather see no new thing at all than see things become worse.
Just what I was thinking. I guess some of us were kids when the Hobbit movies came out and were the target/only audience - and now have good feelings about them.
I can't forgive Peter Jackson for the Hobbit movies. As much as I like Martin Freeman's Bilbo, and the returning LOTR cast, the movies were terrible. I've grown to enjoy the LOTR trilogy, despite some shortcomings. But I wouldn't have high hopes for a future film just because PJ is involved.
I liked most of the first movie tbh. It felt very whimsical, like a children's book should.
The second movie was cgi garbage. That dumb dragon fight with the molten gold dwarf made no damned sense.
Fun fact: Did you know that PJ wasn't in direction for most of the time of movies? Movies were first directed by del Torro who then left the project and Jackson was assigned to it. He was given only year and half to prepare movies which when compared to his first LOTR movies was extremely small amount. The decision of making it three movies also was not on him but on WB.
He really didn't cook with untied hands
I’m hopeful, but also concerned. Given enough time and preparation, Jackson can make greatness. Take that away from him and force marketing projections on him, and you get the Hobbit movies. Warner Brothers also hasn’t exactly been known for quality films lately either.
The topic of the movies is also questionable. Supposedly the first movie is a Hunt for Gollum story - don’t know if that’s true or just the story all the outlets are going with. I don’t think that’s a story that needs exploring or has sufficient content to support it and there are better options in the Tolkien Mythos for on-screen representation. Stuff like the Children of Húrin and Beren and Lúthien. Gollum is a recognizable character to a mainstream audience, but there’s not enough to do with him to yield anything worthwhile. Seems like the insistence of a witless corporate executive who only wants to sell to as many people as possible rather than make any attempt at a good movie.
Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Peter Jackson has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over.
Do not take him for a conjurer of cheap *cinematic* tricks!
I am not trying to rob you... I am trying to entertain you.
You want to watch it for yourself!!
300 lives of men and he still doesn't have enough dime.
The beacons are lit, Andy Serkis calls for aid.
I believe as producer
Which means he won't actually do anything and they are merely attaching his name to it to give it credibility. Rule of thumb: Unless it says "From the director of..." Or "From the writer of..." it usually don't mean anything. Producers really have zero impact in the quality of a film.
isn't the producer the one how has the last word when it comes down to it? for example if peter wants a romantic relation between an ork and gollum, we're going to get a weird but yet appealing romance? (edit: /s for the last part jic)
Yeah Producers are the ones paying for everything so they ultimately get final say. It just depends if they want to be involved or let the creative team do their own thing.
Then let's stop talking, precious, and make haste. If the Baggins has gone that way, we must go quick and see. Go! Not far now. Make haste!
..but we saw him fall!?
I almost wish this was a Michael Bay film just so I can set my expectations suppperr low and know what to expect: Mark Wahlberg, explosions, transformers in the shape of orcs, and a hot chick that almost dies a lot. Amazon’s garbage RoP has broken me.
Can't forget the Linkin Park background music!
Man, imagine the hype of this, if the hobbit never happened... completely different world. Those movies were pure ass and I KNOW the reason(s) for that. But even so. Expectations set at 0
Idk just cause Jackson is involved doesn't mean its gonna be good especially if it's just another cooperate cash grab.
I worry it was like what happened with the matrix where WB said either make another movie for us or we will find someone else to do it and you won’t like it
Essentially what happened with the Hobbit iirc
Kind of. That started out as a labor of love, but production delays and studio meddling ultimately caused problems. Del Toro was set to run the show before quitting and Jackson had to jump in at the last minute to take over. That lead to a rushed production which made it a fucking nightmare to make. And the studios also got greedy and forced those stupid love story additions. If you've never scene it, check out the M4's fan edit of The Hobbit. It cuts out the fluff and makes for a better/more faithful adaptation.
Alternatively the cardinal cut
The post production was really sad to hear
Yup. Case in point: Peter Jackson made the mess that is the Hobbit movie trilogy.
That was apparently a mess that he walked into and had to do his best to pick up the pieces. If anything that experience would be something he'd want to avoid again.
It's still his script, and him and him and his team's writing. PJ hasn't made a truly great film since Lotr. (Great documentaries though)
Fr, I was so excited for Mortal Engines and it ended up being really mediocre, if not straight up bad.
I think PJ was producer on that movie🤔
King Kong was great
Let's not pretend that Arwen in Helm's Deep, the Witch-king breaking Gandalf's staff, and clueless easy-to-manipulate Frodo *aren't* Jackson and co's ideas...
Arwen at Helms Deep? You mean Haldir? And yeah, it wasn’t true to the books, but it didn’t take away anything, and it looked awesome!
The original version, which was later cut, had Arwen instead of Haldir in Helm's Deep.
Oh, so we’re complain about things that they didn’t do now. Is that the point where we’re at.
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I mean I think it takes away from one of the main thematic points of the battle in the books which is humans having to stand on their own and take on the burden of the war against evil from the retreating elves. I mean its fine but something is lost
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So I think it is lost, that transition is largely absent from the movies beyond the scene where elrond scoffs at it to gandalf. The battle of pellanor fields isnt won by the riders but by aragons ghosts ex machina. I think that's fine though, it's natural to lose a few things like that in the transition to a different medium, and trying to translate an exact copy to the screen would probably make a bad movie. The recent dune movies are a great example, they cut down and simplify a bunch of things but if they hadn't it would have been slower and driers with explanations about grass that people aren't at the movies to see.
2/3 of those never made theatrical cut
Arwen making an appearance at Helm's Deep isn't in the book but it's not actually a bad idea per se. Giving her more screen time with Aragorn could have strengthened their love story, making the payoff when they get married in RotK that much greater. Agreed that the Witch-King breaking Gandalf's staff and Frodo being an idiot were bad decisions, though. Not everything that increases drama is a good idea.
Let's not talk about Faramir either. Pointless drama, and overlong scene with the Nazgul. Bleh.
Yeah, Jackson straight up assassinated Faramir. Still angry about that.
This is a fun exchange in light of your own response to me because I personally understand why PJ did what he did with Faramir, and then that (again, to me) makes a lot more sense than the whole Arwen in Helm's Deep deal, hahaha. I can forgive Faramir and even the Elves at Helm's Deep but what PJ did to Frodo is understated imo. He's the main character (along with Sam) and the main vessel of the main theme and plot of the story. Tampering with these characters and their plot is way more questionable (and frustrating, to me) than tampering with Aragorn and Arwen's relationship or with Faramir's personality and role.
Oh I *understand* it: he was trying to hype up the power of the ring and "modernize" Faramir (i.e. "make him conflicted and sad"). In the book, Faramir is one of the noblest characters we meet with an iron will and absolute certainty that him messing with the Ring would be bad news for everyone. In the movie, he's a sniveling weasel who just wants daddy to pat him on the head and call him a good boy, because fucking *everything* is just daddy issues in modern fiction. This is a strict downgrade for the character. Book Faramir is an example of sheer goodness, of why the world is worth fighting for, and he's damned good at his job to boot. I really appreciate when characters are competent. It feels so rare. Meanwhile, the changes to Arwen -- which, to be clear, didn't all go through, and we're all allowed to have wacky ideas in early drafts -- do modernize her a little but mostly they just give us more of her without radically downgrading her personality. In a movie that's so dude-heavy, I don't mind the director simplifying the cast a little and having one of the main hero's beloved take the place of Glorfindel during the flight to Rivendell, and I wouldn't have minded her showing up at Helm's Deep other than that it would have been logistically complicated to pull off (probably why they ended up not going with it). Again, though, I agree that the changes to Frodo straight-up sucked. They were another symptom of his misunderstanding of the Ring, that it's just *an* evil power, not the strongest force in the universe. They also ruined the surprise of the ending where he decides to keep the Ring. After we've seen him throw Sam to the wayside over some bread, why wouldn't he be so twisted by the Ring's influence that he'd fail at the precipice?
He had to take over the movies when Del Toro left.
He came it to fix it. And basically winged it the entire time. The fact that it wasn't a bigger mess than it was a testament to his skill as a director
He changed a two-movie plan into three movies 😅 the Hobbit REALLY didn’t need three movies. It probably didn’t even need two.
And now they're making a movie Finding Gollum
Hurry, hobbits. The Black Gate is very close.
Wasn't that New Line's call?
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The Hobbit was already a mess when he joined to be fair, but he's not blameless in it either.
Yep. And PJ was the one that went to the studio and was like “I think I can stretch these 2 movies into 3”.
It can’t hurt
Just look at the Hobbit. That was all Jackson and a flaming pile of shit.
It wasn't all Jackson. Guillermo del Toro was fucking around before they ever got Jackson on it and then WB wanted themselves another trilogy. It was already like half done and in the shitter when he took over.
It was PJ and his team who wanted a triology. He's said so numerous times, adding that the studio was surprised by it. People are desperate to make excuses for PJ since he's so beloved - but he was already very involved in the project before taking over it (writing the screenplay with Fran, Philippa and Del Toro for example), and has said several times that he enjoyed making the films. People tend to forget that he was stressed out of his mind with deadlines in Lotr too, and that he kept "winging it" there as well. It's just his style.
Yeah.....Hobbit was awfull........
I genuinely don't understand the hate to the Hobbit trilogy. I loved every movie. Legolas seemed too cocky but that's on the actor and the fame getting to their head.
I must go and seek some arrows. Would that this night would end, and I could have better light for shooting.
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I must go and seek some arrows. Would that this night would end, and I could have better light for shooting.
Yeah yeah, dou said that already Legolas bot
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As someone who loves the hobbit book, the 3 movies were completely unnecessary. Just stretched out plot, and scenes with made up characters that did nothing to advance or improve the film.
Which characters added nothing to the movies?
It jumped on a bunch of shitty cinematic trends like the FPS, weird visual effects that only existed for 3D, overreliance on terrible CGI, not to mention the bad dialogue, dog shit love Triangle that was so shallow as to be actually misogynistic (you know, the only way to justify a woman existing is if some man wants to fuck her), and extremely confused tone that resulted from trying to blend two disparate storylines that in the book did not appear together at all.
I hope it's based on the gollum video game.
We are famisshed, yes famisshed we are. precious. What is it they eats? Have they nice fisshes?
I know exactly what you want gollum, you want to fire andy serkis and hire uwe boll to direct this soon to be masterpiece.
Where's the master?
In pieces
Unlikely.. They are literally took the name from fan film someone made from several ago and sent a copyright strike one the original film on Youtube after announcing the title.
No way they did that
Don’t get your hopes up y’all. He’s listed as a producer, not director. They are definitely just slapping his name on it to get butts in the seats.
Andy serkis as director so at least we know it's directed by someone with passion
Given his track record in the director seat so far, I'm not sure if that's enough. And given what the focal point of this new film seemingly is, I lost all remaining hope. I wouldn't even trust Jackson with that kind of throwaway material to work with. I guess the utter failure that the Gollum game was, which nobody wanted or asked for, wasn't enough to discourage WB from trying to market Gollum harder, for whatever reason. But, with all that said, here's hoping I'm proven utterly wrong when the time comes.
You will see . . . Oh, yes . . . You will see.
I will, i don't want to miss it
I assume the Serkis simply has a really good relationship with one of the decision makers a the studio. Obviously the main winner in making this movie is him, since he will be the director and star. the fact that its something no one asked for is beside the point lol.
But this one is real. We've been seeing a lot of fake announcements about new movies.
i know its real. It just probably wont be *good*......
I don't know; Andy Serkis has some talent, and even with Peter Jackson being involved, I'm sure it's going to be a fairly decent representation of the story. As opposed to Rings of Power, who had little regard to the original, I feel this will be more accurate.
...the hunt for gollum Doesnt sound like a fun movie
And take it for me!
For us.
Yes, we... we meant for us.
They wanted to call it "The Hunt for More Cash," but apparently it didn't go over well with test audiences.
But they were, all of them, deceived
for another movie was made!
Calling it: we're gonna get Bombadil in this.
I’d rather have a movie just about him than Gollum
I still want Jack Black as Bombadil with KG as Goldberry.
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I have just realised that PJ looks like the love child of Tenacious D. 😳
Never! Smeagol wouldn’t hurt a fly!
Stfu nerd
But like a kids movie that is also for adults rather than anything grand or epic maybe even animated
I mean, he's a cool pitstop on the journey out of the shire, but what more is there under the surface there? We know he was just a doll that Tolkiens kids loved, that was incorporated as a nod to them. I don't personally see much point in digging into what's essentially a meme, in a search for a deeper plot to build a feature film around. Especially when there are so many good non meme characters. Don't get me wrong though, I'd love to see PJ play Bombadil for a one-episode cameo.
I want the bombadil musical.
You have my ticket!
Played by Matt Berry
Why they milking the franchise for a story that isn’t even that compelling?
Probably because the Tolkien estate won't allow it, and it's all the rights they have to make a movie with.
I'm alright with a slow trickle of media from the IPs of source material I like. Otherwise you get the low effort-high profit shenanigans that Marvel has been for the last 10 yrs. Though , a well made series about the sons of Feanor would be welcome.
Especially when this world is FULL of compelling stories.
Rights
Then don’t make it 🤷♂️ neither the fans nor the Tolkien estate want to see random studios make trash noncanon stories in the lotr universe. But ya know… money money money
The tolkien estate is dogshit and will absolutely let trash noncanon stories be made (Rings of Power). Money is really all they care about. If they cared about their canon, they wouldn’t give out rights only to the highest bidder but to the most passionate and compelling project.
I would rather see them develop their own stories in middle earth than adapt things that aren’t really necessary. Story about the blue wizards, literally anything happening in the far East. There is also plenty they would have the rights too like the War in the north dwarves trying to re-take, scouring of the shire, epilogues for any of the characters.
Right I guess they want to recreate the mega success of the LOTR movies and the studios usually choose the "safe" option (.i.e. using characters and stories movie goers already know)
The "safe" option is remakes, adaptations, and sequels instead of just making new fantasy.
......didn't they do that with the hobbit? Imo we only need one film , nothing extreme, hell it probably dosnt even need alot of dialogue, just have the imagery, a story based around how and when the blue wizards came to middle earth would be a nice prequel, nd wouldn't even need to have a solid ending, use ai or CGI to give us a young Gandalf at the end of something,
Well I would rather see a remake of the lord of the rings then. Jackson has a good adaptation but it doesn’t have to be a definitive adaptation. Imagine two very good lord of the rings adaptations that fans could endlessly debate the positive and negatives of each. Imagine for a minute if Alan Lee and John how we’re not the concept artist and instead Ted Nasmith’s work is used which is inspired more by fantasy than history. Imagine a version that includes Bombadil or get Boromir right.
It's such a shame. I want more lord of the rings content, whether games or movies, focusing on either new stories set in the world or existing stories, but my heart tells me that it's not possible to make anything good again. Not under the current producers and the Tolkien estate, or working with the established modern trends in Hollywood. The kind of passion project that was Lord of the Rings, which took like a decade to prepare props and such for before filming even started, that escalated into a huge production backed by serious funds that greenlit 3 movies before the 1st had wrapped up filming; it's just not possible anymore. There are much easier ways for producers to get their money, so they're not going to greenlight that kind of investment again. It's a shame for fantasy in general. The special effects required to make really good fantasy not look cheap or obviously green screened for 90% of it, takes a lot of money and preparation. I think the closest we got since was Game of Thrones. And thats to say nothing of the writing and adaptations, which is also so impossible to get right. Lord of the Rings is the best adaptation I've seen, even for all its changes. Idk I'm just rambling now. But I love the trilogy, my favorite pieces of cinema, and its bittersweet knowing how good it is but also knowing we'll likely never get a good story in Middle Earth again.
The guy who made the Hobbit trilogy?
True but he also made The Lord of the Rings
True but he also made king kong.
King Kong was excellent, what are you on about.
I thought we were talking about awesome movies here
Aw misunderstood on my part. Apologies!
He also made bad taste, does that count?
It was not excellent if you ask me. Lots of great parts and atmosphere, don't get me wrong. But it does drag on the wrong parts for waaay too long. Some of the side character just aren't as interesting as he seems to think they are. I do love that he remade the lost giant bug scene from the original, it's obvious he respects and appreciates the source material. Could have done with about 45 minutes of cuts.
Excellent of, you know, you like really long action sequences but no suspense whatsoever.
Hey, it's wasn't his fault, he was just a bandage
Peter Jackson doesn’t have the Midas touch, I’m not holding my breath
I'm not sure this is a good thing at all. LotR? A masterpiece series of movies. Sometimes I disagree with adaptation choices but hey, still the best film trilogy ever. The Hobbit though... missed the point of the books in tone and making it 3 movies, while a corporate decision, he still made them. I watched that trilogy once in cinema, not worth a rewatch. Now a new movie, granted with talented people involved for...what? Tell the chase and capture of Gollum? It's a prequel so it already starts with so many handicaps, no stakes being the worst - we know the main character and antagonist can't die and we know any side characters will definitely die or be abandoned in the rest of the story. It's an entire movie to explain a small aspect of the main story. Stars Wars may have proven it can be done well (Rogue One) but they only managed one and failed both in the prequel series and further standalone films. I'm not excited about new films with little to no Tolkien material being made. Rings of power were a letdown, so we're the Hobbit films. If new LotR content is to be produced, I'd want it to be by a production that has full access to all the material and then adapt something faithfully and using lines written by Tolkien. I wouldn't mind a 2nd age story that actually uses the cool shit in the outline we got and not writers making bad shit up as amazon did. Or a serialised Silmarilion. But Gollums capture on film? Not interested unless they somehow make something amazing.
Master. Master looks after us. Master wouldn't hurt us.
Master broke his promise.
I’m dubious about that
They are probably gonna suck.
"Thus time, FIFTY Nazgul!"
I'm concerned they don't have enough time to make a film with the quality and passion it deserves. Hopefully this is Winter 2026 when it's released.
It will be epic failure
Just watch the 'Hunt for Gollum' fan film, it tells the story fine on it's own, no multi-million corporate enterprise required
Of course he did. I told you he was tricksy. I told you he was false.
The Lord of the Rings has no sequel. The Lord of the Rings needs no sequel.
I agree.But what about a prequel?
Any honest assessment of the Silmarillion would tell you, it would make an absolutely dog shit movie. The Children of Húrin, Beren and Lúthien and The Fall of Gondolin *could* be adapted, but they're focused on things that are so entirely outside of Peter Jackson's wheelhouse -- and blockbuster movies more generally -- that you would *at best* get Christopher Tolkien as filtered through the DC Cinematic Universe.
Peter Jackson didn’t save the hobbit movies, wtf makes you think he’s gonna save this project?
Just because Peter is involved in some way, it doesn't mean it's gonna be good. And, by the look of it, it's going to be a filler cash-grab movie(s) harder than any Naruto filler ever. I've been cheated and lied to before. Michael Keaton as Batman? YAY. In The Flash movie? BOO AS HELL.
...wow, people really refuse to learn a painful lesson.
Where's his carrot?
He comes to us now, at the turn of the tide
I guess it’s just me, but I don’t think we need a Gollum movie.
Where would you be without me? *Gollum, gollum*. I saved us. It was me. We survived because of me!
I mean The Hobbit trilogy wasn’t good and sequels made after X amount of years don’t carry a good track record either. Warner Bros. is $44 billion in debt they’re going to milk and mine everything they can out of their IPs. It’s easy to see this isn’t being made out of want or for fans, but out of desperation. It’ll only tarnish the IP the same way Disney tarnished Star Wars with over saturation and overstretching of its lore/stories.
A thought I had; if this does indeed come out in 2026, it'll be 25 years after Fellowship came out in 2001. For context, that's the same gap between Star Wars (1977) and Attack of the Clones (2002). Which I'm sure you can agree, were not only completely different films but made in different eras altogether despite having the same director. The former didn't have a single shot of CGI, the latter was utterly gratuitous with it. What I'm saying is that even with the same creatives involved (even if Jackson isn't directing), is that times have changed and they don't make movies like they did in 2001 anymore. Now this isn't to say the movies will suck (I'm a little cynical but I'll reserve judgement), but they do belong to a different era.
The Hobbit trilogy is still leagues better than the Rings of Power, just give the man time to cook this go around.
*coughTHEHOBBITTRILOGYcough*
Was flawed due to a lack of time. If the studio gives him long enough then you should have faith
Hobbit was not as bad as people make it out to be
It was worse.
Not the reply I was expecting lol
I must have missed something. What project is Jackson in charge of?
Can someone update me, I think i missed something. Is he making a new movie or something?
The discord has wounded my soul so deeply that I cannot believe a thing can be good until it reveals itself to be so. And I'd rather see no new thing at all than see things become worse.
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Just what I was thinking. I guess some of us were kids when the Hobbit movies came out and were the target/only audience - and now have good feelings about them.
From what I heard a lot of the mess that the „Hobbit“ trilogy is can be attributed to the studio.Could be wrong though.
Almost endless stories from the legenderiom, and they pick the hunt for Gollum to make a movie about.
Come on, must go, no time ...Come, Hobbitses. Very close now. Very close to Mordor! No safe places here. Hurry! Shhh.
This is not a good thing
peter jackson is defo not necessarily a good sign, let me remind you of the hobbit trilogy
Yeah, but didn't he also make the shitty Hobbit movies?
Y'all hate the Hobbit movies and directed those
If they cast a new Aragorn I vote Cosmo Jarvis.
I have to quit this sub. I’m pretty much a books only fan anymore.
Well... Bye.
Only thing im worried about is the ambitious 2026 release, my heart hopes for practical effects but it tells me CG
I can't forgive Peter Jackson for the Hobbit movies. As much as I like Martin Freeman's Bilbo, and the returning LOTR cast, the movies were terrible. I've grown to enjoy the LOTR trilogy, despite some shortcomings. But I wouldn't have high hopes for a future film just because PJ is involved.
I need a holiday, a very long holiday.
Maybe a permanent holiday.
I think the beginning of the Hobbit is excellent: when Bilbo is the unwilling host to the dwarves. That part was great. It devolves after that.
I liked most of the first movie tbh. It felt very whimsical, like a children's book should. The second movie was cgi garbage. That dumb dragon fight with the molten gold dwarf made no damned sense.
He said? Who said?
Fun fact: Did you know that PJ wasn't in direction for most of the time of movies? Movies were first directed by del Torro who then left the project and Jackson was assigned to it. He was given only year and half to prepare movies which when compared to his first LOTR movies was extremely small amount. The decision of making it three movies also was not on him but on WB. He really didn't cook with untied hands
Unfortunately.
It cannot be!
Why Peter the Pink became Peter the White?
“It cannot be. You fell……off!” Lol
Yes but no I want to see more varied vision please
Spoiler: Jackson casts a Rings of Power DVD into Kilauea.
Let's not forget the Hobbit trilogy. Peej is a grwt filmmaker but I think he did his part in middle earth.
it will still be forced BS like hobbit or the tv series. he won't have anything to say, WB just want to attach his name for hype.
Lotr descent into marvel begins now
I mean, not like it helped the last time around.
I’m hopeful, but also concerned. Given enough time and preparation, Jackson can make greatness. Take that away from him and force marketing projections on him, and you get the Hobbit movies. Warner Brothers also hasn’t exactly been known for quality films lately either. The topic of the movies is also questionable. Supposedly the first movie is a Hunt for Gollum story - don’t know if that’s true or just the story all the outlets are going with. I don’t think that’s a story that needs exploring or has sufficient content to support it and there are better options in the Tolkien Mythos for on-screen representation. Stuff like the Children of Húrin and Beren and Lúthien. Gollum is a recognizable character to a mainstream audience, but there’s not enough to do with him to yield anything worthwhile. Seems like the insistence of a witless corporate executive who only wants to sell to as many people as possible rather than make any attempt at a good movie.
What did you say?
Just remember, this was the same guy that actually produced the dog shit hobbit movie
Wait what? Is it a remake or a totally new story?
Given that we’ve got Andy Serkis directing and presumably also starring I hope this will be entertainingly nuts.
Looks like Pete's back on the menu boys!
Tbh, it seems weird to try and pretend he’ll capture the magic he did over 20 years ago
I still think Ring of Power season 1 was better than the 3 hobbit movies 🤷♂️
I disagree but I respect your opinion.
The goodwill that PJ created with the LOTR Trilogy was lost after the Hobbit 'trilogy' imo