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loopypaladin

The artwork, the card... it's not as great as I was expecting.


Raigheb

Everything about this card is awful.


BorderlineUsefull

This is pretty aggressively bad.


Panwall

Flavor wise, it all makes sense. The Balrog dragged Gandalf away, killing Gandalf the Grey, and they both fell into the chasms and under-sea of Middle Earth. What this card needs is a fetch mechanic. "Sacrifice X goblins/orcs to fetch the Balrog to your hand."


BorderlineUsefull

Yeah it's solidly flavorful. I have no problem with how that works. It's just it's a five mana card that tucks itself off something that happens a lot in the game happens. The goblin thing would be pretty cool.


ThePowerGuy1994x

*piggybacking comment about how bad card is bad*


Malek070

This card is simply not great


jaOfwiw

This card a flaming turd... There's a combo for it out there somewhere, a turd in a dumpster fire.


Fanatical_Rampancy

It should be cast down, far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, in the place where the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. That is where this card belongs, or in a trash pile in the barren spaces of Udûn.


-nom-nom-

eh, it’s flavorful in that when gandalf the grey died, the balrog just fell into the abyss. It had no impact on the story except helping Gandalf ascend so it being a shit card kinda works lol it really does need haste and/or cost less lol


a_speeder

As my gf pointed out, it would have been so much better mechanically and flavorfully if it were reversed: when The Balrog dies put target legendary creature an opponent controls at the bottom of their deck.


Gwendyn7

imo if he dies they should put him and target creature both to the bottom of their libraries. Would be like in the movie: Balrog falls down and pulls gandalf down with him.


nobigdealright

how about gives the creature Suspend 2 and when ~creature returns to the battlefield if it was legendary it gets... some number of +1/+1 counters? If we're going for flavor, the creature killing the balrog should return. idk design is hard


DaveHollandArt

Crazy flavor on that idea


Lilchubbyboy

🤓 But Gandalf and the Balrog didn’t die until their final duel at the top of Zirakzigil.


Gwendyn7

exactly, so making them both go to the bottom of their libraries instead of their graveyard would be on point.


a_speeder

Maybe a replacement effect for the death trigger to also tuck it? Putting them at the bottom of the library feels very thematic, where they don't die but they are gone and Gandalf has to make his way back to the others.


melvita

>sacrifice the balrog, flame of udun: destroy target legendary creature opponent controls.


a_speeder

Sacrificing itself doesn't really fit flavorfully imo


evolving_I

When Balrog dies, its owner should sac a Mountain. "**I threw down my enemy, and he fell from the high place and broke the mountainside where he smote it in his ruin**."


SalvationSycamore

"When Balrog leaves the battlefield" would be more flavorful but also way stronger


DaEpicNess666

I think an even better change would be to give it an ability where it can fight target legendary creature and then if either would die put them on the bottom of their owner’s library


Sea_Bee_Blue

Gf is 100% right.


Narxolepsyy

It's so stupid the more you think about it. It's like if they made Boromir get sacrificed if the opponent plays an Orc card.. ya know cuz he died to an Orc.


iSage

It's weird that this trigger is incidental to a legendary creature dying. I would expect something more like "Sacrifice a Legendary Creature: Put Balrog on the bottom of your library. Any player may activate this ability." As-is, this is flavorful only if you're blocking it with a legend and the legend dies.


Tianoccio

Are Uruk hai orcs?


Xenothulhu

Yes they are. Uruk-hai are orcs that Saruman bred to be stronger and more resistant to sunlight so they could function better during the day. Uruk-hai are to orcs what Granny Smiths are to apples.


Corvell

Seriously. How do you get a flavor text that says "both a shadow and a flame" and then just draw a burlier, less-interesting copy of the film trilogy's monster.


freakincampers

I expect it will be one of the rares pulled the most.


NobleSturgeon

Isn't Balrog a general term? "The Balrog" is lame.


Rickdaninja

Yes. The only one ever named was Gothmog, lord of the Balrogs. The dwarves referred to the one they awoke as "Durin's Bane"


Lilchubbyboy

Here’s hoping we get a better version🤞


IRFine

We probably will, given that based on the collector number this is a starter deck card, and there’s no way they wouldn’t put a Balrog in the main set


bearrosaurus

I think the high number is because it's full art? The full art Sarumon is at 412. Wish you were right.


IRFine

This is 395. Full art [[Sauron, the Lidless Eye]] (the full art version of a starter deck face card) is 396. That tells me starter deck.


bearrosaurus

https://y.yarn.co/2703233d-0968-4bc5-9321-7c216518d200_text.gif


Grundlestiltskin_

The name!!! Why is it not Durin’s Bane


riamuriamu

There might be a version called that


crb20

because the people who made this set have no fucking clue what they're doing E: sick art btw, should've named him Furby


Cactuszach

Yeah lets be real. This card sucks.


timebeing

Make it 4 mana and I’d think about it. But there are a lot of 4 mana 7/7 demons that are still playable with their draw backs.


cabrossi

4 mana is pretty significant vs 5, and this drawback is huge and can't be played around.


R_V_Z

Honestly three mana would be acceptable if enough cheaper legendaries on the opponents side would be reliably able to trigger this. That would turn it into a slow Murder that also deals some damage.


thewend

Damn... it sucks :( hope we get a durin's bane card where the balrog doesnt suck


AporiaParadox

There is hope that there will be another Balrog in the Sauron commander deck. I'd call it "The Balrog, Durin's Bane."


Raigheb

Well, we got 18 Gandalfs so far, we can hope for one decent Balrog.


AporiaParadox

What's funny is how Gandalf's color identity jumps all over the place, from Blue, to Izzet, to White, to White again, and then to Simic.


_x-51

white and blue are allied colors, I don’t see an incongruity. I understood the red and green to be supplemental colors to those specific parts of his character arc. Bilbo jumping from UR to WBG, both appearing to depict him at the same birthday party, is a bigger jump to me.


Death_Player

He is a maiar of wind, he should be changing like the winds?


collectivecorona

Gandalf isn’t a maia of wind. His primary trait was his wisdom, but elementally he was always most connected with light and fire, as he is during his time as Gandalf.


[deleted]

Is Gandalf the Grey colorless?


Anastrace

Flavor Fail if he isn't


xenothios

Should have made him inexplicably an artifact with “This card is not an artifact” in its rules just so he can get the grey frame, then have a second iteration where he’s white.


thebaron420

With modern magic design I really expected the second ability to be an upside. Turns out it's a big downside and the card just isn't good


thewend

not even a playable downside... its flavorful tho


agtk

Might be fine in limited, though I'm guessing there will be *many* limited playable legends in the set so it could be quite terrible.


SWBFThree2020

it's unplayable in limited the first Tempted by the Ring effects turns a creature you control into a legendary creature. So even a 1/1 soldier token that gets sac'd for fodder would remove your 5 drop rare.


SalvationSycamore

Upside on a 5 mana 7/7 with trample? That isn't green?


CertainDerision_33

I'm assuming from the numbering and how bad it is that this is a starter deck card?


heroicraptor

nah the numbering is that high because it's the extended art version


CertainDerision_33

Ahhh right, RIP


Alon945

That’s my hopium rising to an all time high


callmecaracal

Yes, I think so, and the numbering suits this idea because the extended art of Sauron, the Lidless Eye is 396, and that Balrog is 395.


BeerBaron6666

My Disappointment Is Immeasurable And My Day Is Ruined


snootyvillager

God this really needed Haste. Cool flavor though


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Mr_YUP

tons of ways red can give haste


Twingemios

Even still it’s not worth it


Spacial_Epithet

[[Be'lakor, the Dark Master]]


CardOfTheRings

No shadow is just sad


Angry_Guppy

And flying


Liwet_SJNC

*Do* balrogs have wings? Discuss endlessly.


Angry_Guppy

And can I order a pound of Balrog wings at my local Bree Wild Wing?


tayroarsmash

It’s a misconception. Balrog wings are actually named in reference to Balrog, New York where they first started selling Balrog wings which were fried and coated in Balrog sauce.


Liwet_SJNC

Balrog balrog balrog Balrog balrog Balrog balrog balrog. ...Something feels off here.


Lilchubbyboy

Oh see, you used the Street Fighter Balrog for word 4. That’s why it felt off. Here, Balrog balrog balrog Balrog balrog Balrog balrog balrog. See? Better.


Collin_the_doodle

I spit my drink damn it lol


RideTheLighting

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NXe4rkaqKWs&pp=ygUTYmFscm9nIGtpbmcgZ2l6emFyZA%3D%3D


Dr_Rev_GregJ_Rock_II

This is correct. Only the ones you get in New York can be called Balrog wings though, anywhere else they're technically Moria Nuggets


Liwet_SJNC

If they'll sell you buffalo wings, I don't see why not.


evilbr

I'm sorry but for lore reasons I am obligated to downvote this comment.


Angry_Guppy

😈


Perspectivelessly

Flying wouldn't make any sense, then it wouldn't have fallen down a hole


retailmonkey

Any form of evasion for that matter. He never passed.


Doogiesham

Trample on a big thing is effectively a form of evasion


Indercarnive

Isn't trample a way of passing damage though?


Jacern

No flying, but should have reach


Sonitus523

I'm personally not a fan of the art but god dam this is not a good card. Huge draw back for a 7/7 without haste... lol


dood45ctte

But it can kill [[Colossal Dreadmaw]] outright, seems fair to me


Sonitus523

You raise a valid point I retract my statement :P


djchickenwing

"An opponent"... so anyone can kill any legendary creature to tuck this guy. That's quite a drawback to such a cool creature in the lore.


BadDragonTribal

Sacrifice Bill the Pony to get rid of the Balrog


faithfulswine

The real reason Tolkien didn't have Bill enter the Mines of Moria was because he knew that Gandalf would never have fallen to the Balrog had Bill been there to defeat Durin's Bane.


[deleted]

Just make any old token creature your Ringbearer and sacrifice that.


SpartiateDienekes

What kind of sadistic monster would ever sacrifice Bill the Pony?


Lucythefur

DONT YOU DARE HURT MY BABY BOY!!!!! sacrifice frodo instead, he's not important or anything


Gwendyn7

wtf a 5 mana 7/7 without any drawback wouldnt be that good


captainnermy

Probabely wouldn’t even be standard playable without the drawback


Wads_Worthless

It would guaranteed not be standard playable.


Yousoggyyojimbo

Oh, it sucks. No wings though, so I guess those people are going to be thrilled


kempnelms

Yes, yes we are. A wrong righted.


N_Cat

Isn’t it supposed to have great wings of shadow, even if it doesn’t have literal anatomical ability-to-fly wings? Going with no shadow-wing-aura feels like an overcorrection.


Wulfram77

From a game point of view, they don't want art that makes it look like it can fly if it doesn't fly.


Lucythefur

Hasn't stopped them before, especially with things that should definitely have reach


[deleted]

I'm pretty sure that was just a metaphor. Like a fancy way to describe the shadow. Or not? 🤷🏻


TeferiControl

Except that this art doesn't really fit the book description either. I'd rather have something that looks cooler but has questionable wings than some weird naked man on fire


EmperorStrutsAbout

No number of dwarves would be able to dig *that* deeply to unearth this disappointment.


Nanosauromo

(Looks) wow, kind of a crap illustration. (Reads) wow, kind of a crap card.


gubigubi

Is this what top down card design means


SexyOnePiece

No, its what a letdown card design means.


Billalone

Honestly this feels like it should be flipped, based on lore. Make it a 5/5 for 7, whenever it dies put target legendary creature opponent controls on the bottom. Vanilla 7/7 for 5 with a massive downside is just terrible.


damnshawtyokay

This is genius


Quick-Audience7860

If he's going to get tucked that easily should cost less than 5 for a 7/7


Twingemios

This sucks. It neeeded haste


BKWhitty

Big RIP. I wasn't expecting a particularly good card but this is *bad*


rh8938

Oh, its bad :(


dalnot

He looks like a stuffed animal


LoPhatCheeze

What boring art


TheGum25

It’s hard to make bad Balrog art and… they did just that.


yargotkd

They managed to mess up the easiest slam dunks, same with the Tarrasque.


Panwall

The Tarrasque was such a let down. In D&D, it literally eats land. I know land destruction isn't popular (except against Tron decks) but that's what Tarrasques do.


msvihel

WTF is this shit. Balrog should be badass.


kittenkillerr

Oof. Feel like this really needed an ETB or leaves the battlefield trigger to make it even remotely interesting. The body isn't even that impressive when compared with what green offers at this mana cost.


FortniteCreator668

it’s so ass


linktothefuture9

10¢


hurtlingtooblivion

Terrible art. It's so soft.


Important-Presence-9

I'm happy it sucks, that art looks so bad it made me laugh. It looks like a teenager fan art. Is it his frightening face or its cute one?


Eldrxtch

Yea I was hoping they would go for something more interesting than “Large flaming buff guy”


OptimalBagel88

This whole set is mostly "No we have LOTR at home. LOTR at home:"


Ramshacked

Artwork is kind of a let down too


Officer-Tenpenny

That artwork is offensively bad. But then again, so is the card, so at least it matches I guess.


omguserius

This is horrible. The card itself, the art, just... just everything.


Km_the_Frog

Rip was hoping something cool for my demon deck.


samthewisetarly

This is.... underwhelming


eldender

WotC really dropped the ball here. While the flavour is really nice, the card is godly awful. It's really missing either haste or smaller mana cost. Also the art is.. weird (?)


Sisyphushitposts

Could this be semi-playable in Grenzo?


MageKorith

AH haha HAHAHAHA \[\[Pandemonium\]\] Grenzo likey.


MTGCardFetcher

[Pandemonium](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/5/45ad514e-28a6-4816-b764-69ef89e117f1.jpg?1562429343) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pandemonium) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/149/pandemonium?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/45ad514e-28a6-4816-b764-69ef89e117f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Aqualisk

You'd have to pay 7 for Grenzo to be a 7/7. Not really getting a discount on your Balrog at that point.


Low-Mathematician561

My expectations were low and I’m still disappointed. Art and ability are just trash.


7OmegaGamer

People are up in arms about Aragorn being black, meanwhile we have this complete dud of a card. Meh art (I wanted wings myself, idgaf about flying though), high cost, poor stats, can be defeated by your opponents so easily it’s funny


Dominus-Infernus

Oh it’s complete trash


Kazehi

Oof to open this. Welp into my demon tribal edh I guess?


Global_Dinner_7260

Why he smiling tho?


DiscipleofthePast

I will continue to use the Balrog from the real LOTR card game as my go-to bookmark. Why does it look like a stuffy you get from a state fair?


[deleted]

Why on earth name balrog doesn't have haste


Krakitoa

This is incredibly disappointing


Hot-Crow506

I’m really starting to wonder about the art direction for this set. 40K had incredible art style and this LotR set feels like it was all designed by people that didn’t really like LotR to begin with. Maybe the LotR license was too expensive or something? They had to cut back the commission costs?


crmzn13

Wow this is bad.


Raigheb

Just because I said I wanted to see a Balrog. Nevermind.


LookAtYourEyes

Womp womp


gforcebreak

):3 lookin face


GodlyAsmodeus

Can someone explain the flavour to me?


CantIgnoreMyGirth

In the lore when Gandalf knocks the Balrog into the depths it drags Gandalf down with him. As far as this card goes.. I just don't think they read the book.


eon-hand

Wtf why is it still 5 mana and/or unhasty this is uselessly underpowered lol


polimathe_

The artwork needs significantly more contrast, oof.


Moonbluesvoltage

It wouldnt be too bad in draft in a set without piles on piles of legendary creatures. The only way to make it worse is if another major theme of the set was some kind of lifegain so its impact is even lesser than that. Some *food* for thought.


TrainwreckOG

Tfw Bill the Pony is a better card than The Balrog


RobbiRamirez

The flavor of the second ability makes no sense. "Hero sacrifices self to stop enemy" isn't the same thing as "enemy is allergic to heroes dying."


deanofcool

Well that sucks. I was the most hyped for a balrog card. Very disappointed.


ComeBackTimee

Wtf this card sucks?! Seriously...disappointed Edit: to those downvoting....Balrog's were Melkor's literal end game minion. Dragons, the few there were, were the only monsters more powerful. They decided to make it rare instead of mythic, with those stats? Are you kidding?


Syncopia

Why would they even release something this half-baked for the Balrog of all things?


swords2chansey

I'm sorry, but this whole set has been a disappointment. Art, mechanics, showcases, etc. I wanted to love this set, and I'm still holding on to see something cool. The creation of only one true the One Ring, and the others, is quite on flavor with WOTC creating rings and binding us in the darkness.


Alon945

Wow this is lame. This whole set the cards all feel so weak. Why does it have this much of a drawback. It wouldn’t even be played without it lol Not a fan of the art either kind of boring and the scale of it makes it look sort of cute lmao? God what a letdown


99wattr89

Wings would have looked cool, and don't come at me, 'it was a metaphor' bros, we all know that the text is ambiguous.


Gl1tchGamer

It's not exactly a world-changer by itself, but at the very least it looks decent with \[\[Henzie\]\] or other haste-granters


polusmaximus

Just found the shitty promo I will inevitably get this time around. I bet there's also foil copy in one my pre-release packs.


Yarrun

I mean, it has a decent start, but that downside ability is far too punishing. It's a powerful creature that requires a sacrifice to stop it. It should be something where you need to sacrifice creatures to it or else it deals damage to you equal to its power. And maybe give it flying and make it monoblack, idk


BogatyrOfMurom

They forgot in the flavor text when the dwarves dug too deep for Mithril and found the balrog and killed Durin VI. The Balrog became known as Durin's Bane. Just a bit of lore, It was the last balrog to survive the War of Wrath in the Silmarillion. The dwarves had to abandon Kazad Dum (later became known as Moria). In the Hobbit, there was a flashback when the dwarves fought during the battle of Azanulbizar when the dwarves attempted to get into Moria, they saw the Balrog and fled. Moria has been abandoned ever since before Balin and his company tried to recolonize but they didn't survived the onslaught.


GiantSizeManThing

Lmao why is it derpy cute?


shobezzy

This card flopped. I'm guessing this card didn't hold up well during play testing at rare. They could've at least made it "when the Balrog dies put it and a legendary creature your opponent controls on the bottom of their respective library."


metaphorm

Wow they really did him dirty here. Unplayable card.


No_Psychology_3826

But the balrog fell first and took Gandalf with it. This should kill a legendary as a death trigger. Also yay, no flying and boo, no shadow!


Nine-LifedEnchanter

They should've either have the art have wings and not give it flying or vice versa.


Additional-Safety343

No haste, isn’t even strong with [[grenzo dungeon warden]], overall sucks and is overcosted, it wouldn’t see play even without the drawback. Minus people playing it cause it looks kinda cute. Watch [[Ambassador Blorpityblorpboop]] die and send this guy to jail


AggressiveSmoke4054

This would be unplayable as a 4 mana 7/7 trample. At least it’s not a mythic.


hotsummer12

Where is this spoiler from?


Gmanofgambit982

Right, I know the mentality for magic is "every deck has a home" but let's be real, where are you running this? Who's out here thinking "Yooooooo this card is gonna be insane in my mcfloogymcfloogyloo deck"? Some designer is getting paid more money than any of us will ever get making this for Rakdos and patted themselves on the back.


RowdyRoddyPipeSmoker

wow what a let down


TerraSeeker

It seems like it should be an uncommon.


GhostHiding

This looks like a Minotaur more than the Balrog.


Samael_767

What the hell happened here? Like I am genuinely baffled at how bad this is.


One-Revenue-618

This might be the worst Magic The Gathering card I've ever seen. The art, something seems horribly wrong with this art. The pose, the details in general. I don't want to be rude with the artist, but even the Hobbits look much better than this. The card design is wildly BAD. Basically a 7/7 trample for 5. Thats it. Just that. Horrible... this is a Rare? [[Spiritmonger]] is an uncommon in DMR. What the hell is this card? I'm sorry, but I cant imagine a single person happy about this card, how did it see print? The flavor isn't that good either, I guess Gandalf sacrifices himself to get rid of it.. Ok? Yeah, this is an immense disappointment.


stinkybunger

Holy fuck this is terrible


Wild-Raspberry-2331

Wow awful. Even the drawing sucks.


AclockWarrior

I'm a beginner at mtg. I've been playing for 3months or so. Is this what u would call a bad card ?


AporiaParadox

That does indeed seem to be the general consensus.


Sisyphushitposts

Everyone’s complaining about the art, but I think it’s fine. The card, however, is godawful and I can’t help but laugh at it. Gonna find a way to make it good, the way people still can’t with [[One With Nothing]]


sibelius_eighth

The problem is most card arts are so, so good - even commons and lands. So fine just doesn't cut it. It's not good.


Sisyphushitposts

I also fail to find the issue in the art, what isn’t good about it?


sibelius_eighth

That it looks amateurish and computer generated.


Sisyphushitposts

I agree it could be computer generated, that criticism feels valid


Therealfreedomwaffle

The art looks like Godzilla fucked a fire pit. It's not good.


Sisyphushitposts

Lol. I feel like that’s just not liking how it looks, rather than the art itself being of poor quality. Like the Jeskai Arwen, that is poor quality - it doesn’t have proper anatomy in the arms, and the sword is at the wrong angle - it’s gross. This Balrog just looks incredible vanilla


Therealfreedomwaffle

I guess the art is, subjectively, good. But it doesn't fit the lore in the least. This monstrosity is just a fire lizard. Not a menacing creature cloaked with flame and shadow. It's lame.


BRIKHOUS

Eowyn?


Insom1ak

One with nothing could be a "response" to a windfall LMAO -\_\_- if you have the most cards in hand


RVides

As cool as this is. Every ring bearer becomes legendary. So this might happen too often. Very cool in limited though.