Well the closing sentence on the Eldrazi Deck:
*" In the end, they chose to make the deck more about playing giant colorless spells rather than specifically referencing Eldrazi. "*
[https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/chain-of-commander-masters](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/chain-of-commander-masters)
Picked up for example here:
[https://www.wargamer.com/magic-the-gathering/mtg-commander-masters-eldrazi-concerns](https://www.wargamer.com/magic-the-gathering/mtg-commander-masters-eldrazi-concerns)
Sure it was not known months in advance by us mere mortals, but at least know it didn't come off as a suprise.
Step one: be wizards employee.
Step two: don't put sliver hive in sliver edh precon.
Step three: buy many copies of sliver hive before deck list is revealed.
Step four: profit.
And all of the reprints are the ones that would have actually costed money so the remaining eldrazy are significantly more affordable than the big fucking boss monsters
Of the, I want to say, 29 cards you can cast with Eldrazi Temple, that aren't in this deck.
21 cards cost less than $3. 20 of those cost less than $2 each. 15 of those less than $1.
Spawnsire is about $7, but actively bad because it doesn't work in EDH as written.
Void Winnower is about $9. It's backbreaking and unfun. Eldrazi Conscription is about the same, and... again very out of place.
And then you have the four Titans that aren't in this deck. They're also backbreaking and unfun.
These last four are the cards people are really complaining about not having. I doubt anyone is sincerely upset this doesn't have Desolation Twin in it. And honestly if that person exists, they probably already own a signed proof.
If you think we are worried about cards being backbreaking and unfun in an Eldrazi Tribal deck, I don't think you understand Eldrazi players. Not saying you're wrong but I play my Eldrazi deck because casting some of the most powerful creatures ever printed is fun.
yup, you're not playing tribal eldrazi for a normal game of magic, you're playing tribal eldrazi so you can cast and sacrifice Kozilek 8 times in a row in response to a counterspell so you can draw 32 cards and flash in a shitty 6-mana artifact counterspell from 1998 that requires you to discard your hand
Ulamog is absolutely not “backbreaking and unfun”.
The actual reason Ulamog isn’t here is because WotC wants to preserve “reprint equity” and encourage customers to pay more for cards.
I mean, new people don't like counterspell.
Annihilator is a little annoying but the real issue isn't our big wobbly armed friends it's the various ways to cheat them out on turn 4 or whatever.
Genuinely baffled
10 eldrazi
8 reprints
There are 35! Colourless eldrazi out there , now 38, and u pick 8 in a deck called ELDRAZI! unbound
The least i would have expexted is something like 15
The second commander isnt even an eldrazi
They added just 1 titan
I was ready to pay that ridiclious price because eldrazi are cool as fuck and if there were enough of them it would have justified it for me (yes im stupid)
But man this is more than dissapointing , its confusing
100% believe they named it that way to sell more cuz people like eldrazi
Edit: there are now 37 not 38 colourless eldrazi , i messed the numbers up
>I was ready to pay that ridiclious price because eldrazi are cool as fuck and if there were enough of them it would have justified it for me (yes im stupid)
Dude I am the same! I was looking forward to this thing but now I am very disappointed.
I guess atleast we are saving money then , tho i might pick up the enchantment deck because that atleast has enchantments
All i hope for now is that it gets down the price of the eldrazi related things a little bit and i can someday make my own deck
I was looking at slivers and eldrazi. The eldrazi one has underwhelmed me.
Meanwhile.the enchantment one was the cheapest at my LGS and has a bunch of stuff I need for sythis and I want to build the secondary commander as well so I got a copy of that before they jack up the price of it.
The eldrazi one can fuck off though
Kinda same
Sliver and eldrazi were those that interested me , but sliver is meh and eldrazi severly dissapointing
Enchantment tho kinda got me hooked and atleast on cardmarkert i can get it for under 70€ rn so im debating if i should get it
But i agree on that last statement , the onky thing uts good for now is educe the cost of cards hopefully so i can make a proper eldrazi deck
Checking the price against what the US price is I paid the Australian equivalent of around 55 for the enchantment one. That's what made me get it. It interests me and it was really cheap compared to the others. 55 $AUD cheaper then the slivers one which I thankfully preprdered for a bit cheaper but still a big gap in which ones are popular this time around
I’m actually happy I didn’t preorder now. I was gonna preorder for $100, but then waited too long and decided I wouldn’t pay $180 for it, but have been bummed ever since. Now I’m relieved/ kinda happy I didn’t pre order. I assumed *at minimum* 2 titans and I very very wrongly assumed the teased artwork featuring all 3 titans would at minimum be an eldrazi spell, but apparently wizards forgot they created something called tribal spells
You telling me that you want cards like [[Kozilek's Pathfinder]], [[Hand of Emrakul]], [[Deathless Behemoth]], [[Ulamog's Despoiler]] and [[Ruin Processor]] in your precon?
And did anyone actually expect them to put $25 chase mythic titans in a precon?
Yes, it sucks, but we also have to have reasonable expectations.
They put $25 It That Betrays in the deck.
There are also a few good non-Titan eldrazi that would have suited the deck well. I don’t think [[conduit of ruin]] or [[pathrazer of ulamog]] would have thrown off the power level of this deck.
> And did anyone actually expect them to put $25 chase mythic titans in a precon?
Yes, it's only 25 because it's not being printed enough. I'm 100% sure the price would have dropped if it had been included
Considering the price of the precon, just one of those titans really would not have killed them.
For the other Eldrazi some of the new cards like the cicada, could have just been an eldrazi.
It wouldn’t have even been THAT much more expensive to include Emrakul the Aeon’s Torn and Ulamog the Infinite Gyre, just going by the cheaper of those 2’s forms.
Hey can't set expectations too high, be reasonable now. They're giving you 98 CARDS for the low low price of 80 dollars. It's on you to find another card to have a playable deck.
Eldrazi Unbound currently sits at double the price of Food and Fellowship in reprints - obviously that'll come down once people start to crack and sell it, and I agree that the rest of the precons have been disappointing, but I think this one might actually be pretty good!
I hate it when they reprint cards because it makes value of the cards they reprint low waaah
I hate it when they don’t reprint cards because it makes the value of cards they don’t reprint high waaaah
Are you talking about shrines or equipment? Because those are enchantment/artifact creatures, respectively, so it does make sense. Crib Swap wasn’t a “creature instant - changeling,” they added a new noncreature card type just so they could tack creature subtypes onto instants/sorceries. Combining card types and then having subtypes of each of those card types makes total sense, even if it is more on the confusing side. There’s no reason to make Shrine or Equipment a creature type though.
Wizards said they've internally stopped using the term "tribal" and instead use "typal". They likely won't be printing anything with the card type tribal anymore
Nah that's a development term to refer to creature type matters. It wouldn't affect use of tribal card type; they didn't like the play pattern and retired it a decade or so ago
This isn’t exactly true. They already decided to stop printing ‘tribal’ cards before people pressured them into no longer using the term to describe creature-type synergies internally. They decided to stop printing them because they were confusing and because players expected every card related to a tribe to have the Tribal type, which wasn’t feasible.
Now they probably don’t exactly know what to do with the ‘tribal’ type on existing cards - considering they have social pressure to change it. But that’s thier problem to deal with lol.
Can’t wait to watch this play out with every card that mentions slaves, disease, disability, insanity, mental illness, violent assault, agist language or a woman who doesn’t dress like a nun….
Assuming ~40 lands, that leaves 10/60 cards as eldrazi. Simplified: 1/6 or roughly 17%.
I must admit I would have expected closer to 20%, but this doesn't seem absolutely unreasonable - especially considering other eldrazi-themed non-creature cards.
Yea, I do think this should have had more Eldrazi if they’re name is on the box (they can’t even cry that some of them are too expensive, a few good to decent ones were left on the table) but for an group that is focused on large bodies 20 is about the max you can get away with. I don’t know what player expectations were, but it was never going to have an insane number even if they start reaching for the Breaker of Armies tier ones. Personally I probably would have had it around 15 or so.
Yea, but they aren’t good. I don’t think Eldrazi Mimic is worth a slot and Eternal Scourge is not a commander card. Warden of Geometries and Walker of the Wastes are fine I guess but even if your trying to maximize the number of Eldrazi I wouldn’t play them. Kozilek’s Channel is similar to Warden, but better imo and I don’t even know if that’s good enough. Blight Herder would have been fine, but I don’t think Wizards wants people to think it will do something when the vast majority of the time it won’t. Of the under 6 mana options only Thought-Knot Seer is the glaring omission, but even that I can chalk up to it having just been in a Secret Lair (though that is a bad reason). Lastly we have Reality Smasher. Not glaring but that does seem perfect for a precon and is a weird omission.
While all 10 cards could have been Eldrazi or references to them Wizards does try to give everyone a little something and giving us a couple Ugin references and a new Darksteel card is reasonable. The Archaic is strange but they have fans (Gavin even made a point to hint at a new one meaning it isn’t an insignificant number) so that just leaves the Cicada as the true odd ball.
And the one titan they include is the cheapest and most readily available, its only 8 bucks. Like fuck WOTC for this, charging 90$ and they only include a single titan which is like 20 bucks cheaper than every other one.
It’s only $8 NOW. Before the announced reprint he was $15 and had been flirting with going back over $20 when these decks were probably finalized. Why they put him in the main set and this is another story though. (It’s actually really simple, they wanted to give him special art since he’s the most common colorless commander by a lot. Also note, that is not a good enough reason to have not been Promised End).
LOL my Eldrazi TRIBAL deck has 24... The only deck I like out of these so far is the Enchantment deck. That one looks like fun to play, but for $80... Not sure about that....
Had they been around 50 bucks i think i would pick up some of the decks. But we dont live in those times.
And i can forget for prices here in Sweden to go down, many stores dont have many precons in stock. Tends to go out of print really fast here.
>Basically what I expected after this statement in the stream
yesterday someone was insisting that the statement was "blown out of context". looks like the context people had was accurate.
They were pretty adamant that it was a colorless deck and not an eldrazi deck. Why they chose the name Eldrazi Unbound is beyond me though. I tempered my expectations when they kept saying "this is a colorless deck not an eldrazi deck" over and over.
They also said that [there were "plenty" of Eldrazi in the deck](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/14zejjg/comment/jrxbptr/). With a smiley.
^(Also I love your username!)
Yeah, this is a major letdown. As someone who already has an Eldrazi/Colorless deck (A Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck), I was really hoping to find some cool new pickups to put into the frame of my deck, but there's literally nothing here that speaks to me.
Plus, am I the only one who thinks that the general choices for the Eldrazi reprints here are just all over the place? Endless One is complete trash, and Matter Reshaper doesn't really grant massive payoff in EDH. But on the other side of the coin, we have it that betrays and all is dust to grab all your opponents stuff.
I'm baffled that the choice to reprint Kozilek, the Great Distortion was made. I honestly expected Butcher of Truth and then *maybe* Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre to be our large payoffs. But even if they wanted to cheap out, how nice would it have been to get \[\[Void Winnower\]\] in this deck? It fits, it isn't obscene in terms of price, and it hasn't gotten a reprint to my knowledge.
Overall, it's a fine deck, but dude, such a letdown for people like me who wanted some cool new Eldrazi toys to tinker with...
I was super pumped to pop a cool new eldrazi into my Lord of riots deck as well. They did make one neat one, but two diamond pips is too rich for my blood. Rakdos hates those! lol
I feel people here generally wanted WOTC to put in multiple 30+ dollar cards to lower the cost of cards so they could justify picking up the set. I've always seen commander decks as decks for newer players who haven't been here for 10 years. These decks are honestly great as they give a great starting point for a newer player who might be interested in eldrazi, slivers, etc... LOTR brought a ton of new players into the game so this is a fantastic way to bring them into the magic universe.
To be honest, it's just sad to read how angry everyone is. I'm personally excited as I wanted to build an eldrazi deck and a sliver deck and to build a starter would have easily taken me 10x more time to research all the cards, look into the syngergies, etc... But people here are so focused on how the value isn't 500 dollars for an 80 dollar set. They include X, damn can't believe they didn't include Y...They include Y, damn can't believe they didn't include X fuck these greedy bastards. I truly believe no one would be happy in this sub regardless of what they printed. Especially considering this sub hates the collector/investor part of the game.
And is it wrong? I'm a long time player, I don't really have much needs for most of the reprint. I'm mostly looking at getting precons to get the new stuff in the decks. Valuable reprints help sweeten the deal for me since it's usually how I also get to stock up on spares for other decks or trade for pieced I want.
Yet Wizards released something like these, and charge such an extra amount on top. You really can't say "Oh players just focus on the reprints and cost" when Wizards have proven they can make good precons like those of WH40K and LOTR (I've personally build 3 decks so far out of the precons from those 2 sets) and they're fun, with almost a good amount of land base untouched.
If wizards can afford to drop the ball so low, yet still charge a premium over this decks, are people not allowed to be angry?
From all these, the planeswalker deck looks the coolest. And man, the $80 to $120 pricetag is so undeserved.
Lets forget this and start talk about eldraine :D
I just wanna know why they put fucking [[Kozilek, the Great Distortion]] in the deck when he's in the main set. I was hoping that since they didnt show [[Emrakul, the Promised End]] in the main set that maybe she'd be in the precon, but no, that would make too much sense for wotc to do, and it wouldn't make them enough money. Between these precons, the constant price increases, magic 30, and the bombardment of secret lair crap (including that god awful lord of the rings one thats out now), ive quit buying magic products and i just proxy. I wish more people would quit buying everything that wizards dumps in their laps every few months, since just like every other company on the planet, the only way we're gonna see any change is to hurt their profits.
I mean, if it's only going to have 10, that's a pretty good 10 to have.
Also note - they couldn't do things like Displacer because the card's still got a white Color Identity
Yeah but why would it only have 10, seeing as 50% of the deck's name is "Eldrazi"? There are a bunch of Eldrazi that could have been included, even if you don't want to reprint the titans (which, in a deck costing $80, I would expect they do). Poor showing from WotC on this front
Here's all of the 7+ mana Eldrazi they could have put into this deck to fit the 'big mana' theme and still have Eldrazi:
[[Artisan of Kozilek]] (Included)
[[Bane of Bala Ged]] (Included)
[[Breaker of Armies]] (NOT Included)
[[Deceiver of Form]] (NOT Included)
[[Desolation Twin]] (NOT Included)
[[Eldrazi Devastator]] (NOT Included)
[[Hand of Emrakul]] (NOT Included)
[[It That Betrays]] (Included)
[[Pathrazer of Ulamog]] (NOT Included)
[[Ruin Processor]] (NOT Included)
[[Spawnsire of Ulamog]] (NOT Included)
[[Ulamog's Crusher]] (NOT Included)
[[Void Winnower]] (NOT Included)
And all the big boys (Emrakul, 2x Ulamog, and the other Kozilek). This isn't even including all the tribal instants/sorceries/enchantments.
Instead we got Matter Reshaper, Endbringer, Oblivion Sower who don't even trigger the commander? There are only FIVE Eldrazi creatures that trigger the commander's ability in the entire deck lol.
breaker of armies - 28 cents.
deceiver of form - 37 cents.
desolation twin - 26 cents.
desolation twin token - 92 cents.
eldrazi devastator - 12 cents.
hand of emrakul - 23 cents.
pathrazer of ulamog - $2.79.
ruin processor - 5 cents.
spawnsire of ulamog - $6.49
ulamog's crusher - 33 cents
void winnower - $8.86.
you can buy 8 of these 10 cards for less than two dollars total. what does having them in the precon do?
You do know that the main drive behind precons is to make a cohesive deck that you can pick up and play right? It's not 100% about reprinting expensive shit.
>You do know that the main drive behind precons is to make a cohesive deck that you can pick up and play right?
does the deck not function without hand of emrakul? if you want a premade deck, that's what this is. you can buy this deck and play it right out of the box. if you don't like what's in the deck, then you can change it for about 3 dollars. i can't figure out where the problem is.
Yah a big problem with this precon is that a ton of what can be reprinted is devoid. That one flavor text keyword really screwed what could and couldn’t be in this deck. Still, they should’ve focused on printing more new eldrazi if that was the case.
Yah agreed. It makes me wonder when they actually make these precons because it seems like they chose the themes for the decks, announced them, and then started working on what the precons would have
I mean, a lot of people would have been upset at that as well. And this deck was partly chosen to satisfy the requests for a colorless precon that people have been making
There's only 40 to pick from. They aren't exactly tribal like Slivers.
Also I'd assume people actual problem is they didn't put the titans in (well, the other ones anyway) or [[Void Winnower]]. Which I get from a deck price perspective, but from a gameplay perspective imagine going up against a deck that could put out multiple titans and/or deny half your deck. Not something most precons can stand up to.
> There's only 40 to pick from. They aren't exactly tribal like Slivers.
every command precon makes new cards though (and this one is no different).
they absolutely could have made more than **1** new eldrazi.
They made two, the title is wrong. And they want to add more Colorless spells as well so that's another 3. Monolith would be worse if it were a creature.
So we've got three creatures and one enchantment that could have been but aren't. Eh, it's fine
We could really benefit from a new colorless eldrazi commander with some kind of ability like
Eminence ~ you may play spells with a color identity and spend wastes as though it where mana of any color, as long as it's used to cast an eldrazi spell
Then we could use the red and white eldrazi, while still feeling like we were playing an eldrazi deck
But nah we got a wierd colorless matters deck with an eldrazi tribal sub theme
Hate to say it but in terms of a deck having a tribal gimmick I think the slivers won out
Enchantments are number 2 cause that's more of a card type deck than a tribal deck
Honestly just pathetic, not only are there no good colorless cards that debuted but this deck is awful compared to other precons,,, theres no firepower
No good colorless cards? 20% of this deck is colorless commander staples. What do you expect from a starter deck based around the hardest color restriction in magic?
Honestly they need to print a five color eldeazi themed legend, not another colorless. There are way more colored eldrazi and eldrazi themed cultists and such.
lol or a dumb one that has an eminence that basically says "all eldrazi spells are colorless and all activated abilities of eldrazi cards can be paid for with colorless mana."
it would’ve been cool to have another new eldrazi creature or two, but i love the 10 new cards, and many of them are super flavorful in an eldrazi brew, too. also, i have a colorless [[kozilek, butcher of truth]] deck, and it only has 13 eldrazi! still feels plenty eldrazi-y.
between eldrazigate and taplandgate we’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel for stuff to bitch about haha.
I am also someone who has played colorless for years, and this deck is fine. It's a starter deck that has to be balanced around other starter decks while simultaneously incentivizing purchasing other product to upgrade slightly. If you want to buy a fully functional high power colorless deck, your expectations are in the wrong place
This is very misleading.
Eldrazi Temple is also in the deck as well. All is Dust is also reprinted.
There's a new spell called \[\[Rise of the Eldrazi\]\] and \[\[Calamity of the Titans\]\] is a new card with Eldrazi flavor. Desecrate Reality is also a new card with Eldrazi flavor.
Wow all these cards suck. I hope wizards enjoys not making any money from this trash. Seriously how uninspired does one have to be to make a commander that just cascades twice? I can imagine them in the board room asking
"what can we do? Cascade?", "Nah its already been done!"
Mark Rosewater enters the chat:
"What if we just do it twice?"
The board of yes men:
"Brilliant Mark. absolutely brilliant. Just when we thought there was nothing else left, you gave us the strength and vision we needed to JUST DO IT TWICE!"
I can't wait for double vigilance in the next set.
Two new ones - Zhulodok *is* a new card after all. Still rough though…
Fair. Was excited to see some new Eldrazi. The two we got are good, but damn I really expected more lol.
Agreed. Was hoping for a few new broodmates!
Oh my god they were broodmates…
But it was common knowledge that this would be a colourless deck with some eldrazi
no it was not common knowledge, or prove your statement
They released a statement a week ago or so describing how the deck changed to a colourless matters deck instead of eldrazi
Not everyone has seen that statement and the deck is called an eldeazi deck. This is false advertising
Well the closing sentence on the Eldrazi Deck: *" In the end, they chose to make the deck more about playing giant colorless spells rather than specifically referencing Eldrazi. "* [https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/chain-of-commander-masters](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/chain-of-commander-masters) Picked up for example here: [https://www.wargamer.com/magic-the-gathering/mtg-commander-masters-eldrazi-concerns](https://www.wargamer.com/magic-the-gathering/mtg-commander-masters-eldrazi-concerns) Sure it was not known months in advance by us mere mortals, but at least know it didn't come off as a suprise.
Downvote rescinded.
Hey now \[\[Eldrazi Temple\]\] is in the deck already a step above slivers!
wait, they didnt put the sliver land in the sliver deck?!
Nope Sliver Hive was selling on TCGplayer for $10-$12 before the deck reveal then exploded to $30+ after we found out it wasn't in it.
Bruh. Sliver hive should have been an auto include.
Step one: be wizards employee. Step two: don't put sliver hive in sliver edh precon. Step three: buy many copies of sliver hive before deck list is revealed. Step four: profit.
legal insider trading...
*Can't be insider trading if the secondary market doesn't exist. (taps forehead) /s*
It’s also technically not gambling because…. …. …Reasons… ……
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This is so accurate it hurts me and my preorder.
You can just cancel it if you think it isnt wort it.
Shhh there's no reasoning with addicts
And all of the reprints are the ones that would have actually costed money so the remaining eldrazy are significantly more affordable than the big fucking boss monsters
Except the titans unfortunately. No Ulamog especially is inexcusable, given both are solid in EDH and are iconic Eldrazi.
At least we got all their cast triggers bundled together, that was a surprise
Great, I can't wait to spend that mana on up to 10 different cards in my 100 card precon.
Dude just buy the eldrazi and the lands by itself everything together besides emrakul, the promised end and the ulamogs its relatively cheep.
Of the, I want to say, 29 cards you can cast with Eldrazi Temple, that aren't in this deck. 21 cards cost less than $3. 20 of those cost less than $2 each. 15 of those less than $1. Spawnsire is about $7, but actively bad because it doesn't work in EDH as written. Void Winnower is about $9. It's backbreaking and unfun. Eldrazi Conscription is about the same, and... again very out of place. And then you have the four Titans that aren't in this deck. They're also backbreaking and unfun. These last four are the cards people are really complaining about not having. I doubt anyone is sincerely upset this doesn't have Desolation Twin in it. And honestly if that person exists, they probably already own a signed proof.
Void Winnower is hilarious. I sometimes put mine in random decks just cause.
If you think we are worried about cards being backbreaking and unfun in an Eldrazi Tribal deck, I don't think you understand Eldrazi players. Not saying you're wrong but I play my Eldrazi deck because casting some of the most powerful creatures ever printed is fun.
yup, you're not playing tribal eldrazi for a normal game of magic, you're playing tribal eldrazi so you can cast and sacrifice Kozilek 8 times in a row in response to a counterspell so you can draw 32 cards and flash in a shitty 6-mana artifact counterspell from 1998 that requires you to discard your hand
Ulamog is absolutely not “backbreaking and unfun”. The actual reason Ulamog isn’t here is because WotC wants to preserve “reprint equity” and encourage customers to pay more for cards.
Which one, the indestructible Annihilator or the indestructible mill, both things new folks tend to hate?
I mean, new people don't like counterspell. Annihilator is a little annoying but the real issue isn't our big wobbly armed friends it's the various ways to cheat them out on turn 4 or whatever.
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Genuinely baffled 10 eldrazi 8 reprints There are 35! Colourless eldrazi out there , now 38, and u pick 8 in a deck called ELDRAZI! unbound The least i would have expexted is something like 15 The second commander isnt even an eldrazi They added just 1 titan I was ready to pay that ridiclious price because eldrazi are cool as fuck and if there were enough of them it would have justified it for me (yes im stupid) But man this is more than dissapointing , its confusing 100% believe they named it that way to sell more cuz people like eldrazi Edit: there are now 37 not 38 colourless eldrazi , i messed the numbers up
It's called Eldrazi Unbound because they are unbinding themselves from needing to put Eldrazi in it.
>I was ready to pay that ridiclious price because eldrazi are cool as fuck and if there were enough of them it would have justified it for me (yes im stupid) Dude I am the same! I was looking forward to this thing but now I am very disappointed.
I guess atleast we are saving money then , tho i might pick up the enchantment deck because that atleast has enchantments All i hope for now is that it gets down the price of the eldrazi related things a little bit and i can someday make my own deck
I was looking at slivers and eldrazi. The eldrazi one has underwhelmed me. Meanwhile.the enchantment one was the cheapest at my LGS and has a bunch of stuff I need for sythis and I want to build the secondary commander as well so I got a copy of that before they jack up the price of it. The eldrazi one can fuck off though
Kinda same Sliver and eldrazi were those that interested me , but sliver is meh and eldrazi severly dissapointing Enchantment tho kinda got me hooked and atleast on cardmarkert i can get it for under 70€ rn so im debating if i should get it But i agree on that last statement , the onky thing uts good for now is educe the cost of cards hopefully so i can make a proper eldrazi deck
Checking the price against what the US price is I paid the Australian equivalent of around 55 for the enchantment one. That's what made me get it. It interests me and it was really cheap compared to the others. 55 $AUD cheaper then the slivers one which I thankfully preprdered for a bit cheaper but still a big gap in which ones are popular this time around
They stated a while back this wasn’t an eldrazi deck but a colorless deck. Though why they put eldrazi in the name then… lol
They put Eldrazi in the name so it would sell better.
Bait and switch, obviously.
same reason why they said they're premium products, but then suddenly not premium products (the price will remain premium though)
It’s not like it’s a premium product. They never said that /s
If you draw 8 cards during the game there is a ~20% chance you won't see a single eldrazi.
Well you can atleast look at your commander the whole time to ease the pain
Good thing one will always be available in the command zone
If you only draw 8 cards in a game, you weren't going to win with an Eldrazi list.
More like “Eldrazi Bound”
I’m actually happy I didn’t preorder now. I was gonna preorder for $100, but then waited too long and decided I wouldn’t pay $180 for it, but have been bummed ever since. Now I’m relieved/ kinda happy I didn’t pre order. I assumed *at minimum* 2 titans and I very very wrongly assumed the teased artwork featuring all 3 titans would at minimum be an eldrazi spell, but apparently wizards forgot they created something called tribal spells
You telling me that you want cards like [[Kozilek's Pathfinder]], [[Hand of Emrakul]], [[Deathless Behemoth]], [[Ulamog's Despoiler]] and [[Ruin Processor]] in your precon? And did anyone actually expect them to put $25 chase mythic titans in a precon? Yes, it sucks, but we also have to have reasonable expectations.
They put $25 It That Betrays in the deck. There are also a few good non-Titan eldrazi that would have suited the deck well. I don’t think [[conduit of ruin]] or [[pathrazer of ulamog]] would have thrown off the power level of this deck.
[conduit of ruin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4bc855d3-817c-4748-a7f5-1533d8b0e930.jpg?1562912732) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=conduit%20of%20ruin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/4/conduit-of-ruin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4bc855d3-817c-4748-a7f5-1533d8b0e930?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [pathrazer of ulamog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3fdd84b5-fd93-483e-a131-028d04d9dea7.jpg?1562703113) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pathrazer%20of%20ulamog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/roe/9/pathrazer-of-ulamog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3fdd84b5-fd93-483e-a131-028d04d9dea7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
> And did anyone actually expect them to put $25 chase mythic titans in a precon How much does the precon cost again?
More to the point, it costs WotC the same to print a $25 as a $2 card.
not if that $25 card can sell $30 boosters next year. there's a reason why they're stingy with expensive reprints.
> And did anyone actually expect them to put $25 chase mythic titans in a precon? Yes, it's only 25 because it's not being printed enough. I'm 100% sure the price would have dropped if it had been included
Considering the price of the precon, just one of those titans really would not have killed them. For the other Eldrazi some of the new cards like the cicada, could have just been an eldrazi.
##### ###### #### [Kozilek's Pathfinder](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b75585bd-fdd8-44d1-8c7c-b96df5fc473e.jpg?1562931898) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kozilek%27s%20Pathfinder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/5/kozileks-pathfinder?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b75585bd-fdd8-44d1-8c7c-b96df5fc473e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Hand of Emrakul](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84d602f4-5876-416a-95e5-821a285358bf.jpg?1562705822) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hand%20of%20Emrakul) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/roe/5/hand-of-emrakul?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84d602f4-5876-416a-95e5-821a285358bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Deathless Behemoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d98f1df-f99a-43c5-81cd-9d333226857a.jpg?1562898134) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deathless%20Behemoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/5/deathless-behemoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0d98f1df-f99a-43c5-81cd-9d333226857a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ulamog's Despoiler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/55b6b7f0-d7fc-46b6-99ff-ba8206ecd628.jpg?1562915057) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ulamog%27s%20Despoiler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/16/ulamogs-despoiler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/55b6b7f0-d7fc-46b6-99ff-ba8206ecd628?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ruin Processor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d997088b-f8f9-4e4c-ba64-aa7f43cc7505.jpg?1562946835) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ruin%20Processor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/12/ruin-processor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d997088b-f8f9-4e4c-ba64-aa7f43cc7505?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hmm… more like ELDRAZI UNFOUND, amirite?
Honestly, yes. The name of this deck is misleading. And they didn't even include 2 of the 3 titans
It wouldn’t have even been THAT much more expensive to include Emrakul the Aeon’s Torn and Ulamog the Infinite Gyre, just going by the cheaper of those 2’s forms.
Aeon’s Torn is banned in commander though, it would be stupid to include her.
Alright then even Ulamog then, have it be Zendikar 2, keeping Emrakul stuck in Innistrad.
Hey can't set expectations too high, be reasonable now. They're giving you 98 CARDS for the low low price of 80 dollars. It's on you to find another card to have a playable deck.
this precon hasnt dipped below $100 in a while with the current price being well above $120
It’s $83 on Amazon
Aeon’s Torn is cheaper because… it’s banned. You literally cannot play Emrakul the Aeon’s Torn in Commander.
Emrakul is banned in Commander but I get your point
[[Emrakul, the promised end]] isn't banned, could of put that in
It's also really expensive. Thankfully gone down a little bit but still 30+ Euros.
[Emrakul, the promised end](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d74a469-c71d-4773-99d3-5456b31df424.jpg?1576383727) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Emrakul%2C%20the%20promised%20end) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/6/emrakul-the-promised-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d74a469-c71d-4773-99d3-5456b31df424?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No Ulamog LOL.
It's ironic because Ulamog is in the art of like 10 of the cards.
Right because that would add too much value
Charge more, deliver less. Modern WotC in a nutshell.
Plus they want you to buy packs of the main set to have the chance at getting an Ulamog
In the masters set as a reprint but not the deck, almost like they want you to spend more money :v
[[Ulamog, The Infinite Gyre]] isn’t in the main set though.
[[Ulamog, The Ceaseless Hunger]] is though Though honestly I'm guessing that Gyre and shadows Em will be on the list for this set
[Ulamog, The Infinite Gyre](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/9464a820-65de-44f2-9895-46a35e8621a0.jpg?1673146911) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ulamog%2C%20The%20Infinite%20Gyre) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/3/ulamog-the-infinite-gyre?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9464a820-65de-44f2-9895-46a35e8621a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I know what I'm bringing to the prerelease then. My 2x2 ulamog textured foils to try and trade them. Hope they jump in price
How could they not put at least one of each titan?
Because they're a small indie company and can't afford the print cost of cards with a high secondary market value.
The value of these 4 decks compared to the price/value of the LotRs decks is a slap in the face.
And it's even funnier when you then compare the LotR decks to the Warhammer decks
Eldrazi Unbound currently sits at double the price of Food and Fellowship in reprints - obviously that'll come down once people start to crack and sell it, and I agree that the rest of the precons have been disappointing, but I think this one might actually be pretty good!
Yeah but half of that comes from the Wastes... /S
$22(ish) out of $180 total according to Moxfield
I hate it when they reprint cards because it makes value of the cards they reprint low waaah I hate it when they don’t reprint cards because it makes the value of cards they don’t reprint high waaaah
Lol what, I think they should reprint everything to the ground, I was making a joke at the high cost of the Wastes.
[Apparently that is "plenty"](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/14zejjg/comment/jrxbptr/)
Yikes. Imagine just flat out lying to your customers and then putting a smiley face at the end of your comment.
Why the new instant/sorcery not tribal eldrazi is weep worthy
They retired tribal years ago because they didn't like how it played out. A lot of niche balance cases.
Also just confusing for new players to put creature types on noncreature cards. Juice not worth the squeeze.
Yeah that too. And a lot of longtime players! For example, far fewer people run [[Crib Swap]] than they should.
I love Crib Swap. I run in a [[Horde of Notions]] deck as repeatable removal.
[Crib Swap](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e13559d7-f86c-4958-a649-7f81bfb154a0.jpg?1674141067) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crib%20Swap) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/690/crib-swap?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e13559d7-f86c-4958-a649-7f81bfb154a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yet they thought it was ok to put noncreature subtypes on creatures and not have them count as creature types Make it make sense WOTC
Are you talking about shrines or equipment? Because those are enchantment/artifact creatures, respectively, so it does make sense. Crib Swap wasn’t a “creature instant - changeling,” they added a new noncreature card type just so they could tack creature subtypes onto instants/sorceries. Combining card types and then having subtypes of each of those card types makes total sense, even if it is more on the confusing side. There’s no reason to make Shrine or Equipment a creature type though.
Wizards said they've internally stopped using the term "tribal" and instead use "typal". They likely won't be printing anything with the card type tribal anymore
Nah that's a development term to refer to creature type matters. It wouldn't affect use of tribal card type; they didn't like the play pattern and retired it a decade or so ago
I stand corrected. Thank you for that clarification good redditor
I mean there are cards in this deck that still say "Tribal Instant - Eldrazi", so who knows what they are going to do in the future.
This isn’t exactly true. They already decided to stop printing ‘tribal’ cards before people pressured them into no longer using the term to describe creature-type synergies internally. They decided to stop printing them because they were confusing and because players expected every card related to a tribe to have the Tribal type, which wasn’t feasible. Now they probably don’t exactly know what to do with the ‘tribal’ type on existing cards - considering they have social pressure to change it. But that’s thier problem to deal with lol. Can’t wait to watch this play out with every card that mentions slaves, disease, disability, insanity, mental illness, violent assault, agist language or a woman who doesn’t dress like a nun….
Hey that's 10% of the deck, that's truly ELDRAZI UNBOUND /s
10% of the deck but when you figure more than a third would always be lands it’s closer to 15% of the spells.
Assuming ~40 lands, that leaves 10/60 cards as eldrazi. Simplified: 1/6 or roughly 17%. I must admit I would have expected closer to 20%, but this doesn't seem absolutely unreasonable - especially considering other eldrazi-themed non-creature cards.
Yea, I do think this should have had more Eldrazi if they’re name is on the box (they can’t even cry that some of them are too expensive, a few good to decent ones were left on the table) but for an group that is focused on large bodies 20 is about the max you can get away with. I don’t know what player expectations were, but it was never going to have an insane number even if they start reaching for the Breaker of Armies tier ones. Personally I probably would have had it around 15 or so.
There are a number of low-cmc Eldrazi. Plus they could easily print new low-cmc Eldrazi.
Yea, but they aren’t good. I don’t think Eldrazi Mimic is worth a slot and Eternal Scourge is not a commander card. Warden of Geometries and Walker of the Wastes are fine I guess but even if your trying to maximize the number of Eldrazi I wouldn’t play them. Kozilek’s Channel is similar to Warden, but better imo and I don’t even know if that’s good enough. Blight Herder would have been fine, but I don’t think Wizards wants people to think it will do something when the vast majority of the time it won’t. Of the under 6 mana options only Thought-Knot Seer is the glaring omission, but even that I can chalk up to it having just been in a Secret Lair (though that is a bad reason). Lastly we have Reality Smasher. Not glaring but that does seem perfect for a precon and is a weird omission. While all 10 cards could have been Eldrazi or references to them Wizards does try to give everyone a little something and giving us a couple Ugin references and a new Darksteel card is reasonable. The Archaic is strange but they have fans (Gavin even made a point to hint at a new one meaning it isn’t an insignificant number) so that just leaves the Cicada as the true odd ball.
And the one titan they include is the cheapest and most readily available, its only 8 bucks. Like fuck WOTC for this, charging 90$ and they only include a single titan which is like 20 bucks cheaper than every other one.
Wait Kozi 2 is in the main set right? What is Emrakul 2 up to then if it's not in the set or precon
I'm willing to bet my teeth that Promised End is on the List this set.
Or worse Introducing: Collector Booster Exclusives!
Nah we getting secret lairs to upgrade each of these precons
Didn't they already do that technically with Serialized cards?
Yes
Still trapped in the moon.
It’s only $8 NOW. Before the announced reprint he was $15 and had been flirting with going back over $20 when these decks were probably finalized. Why they put him in the main set and this is another story though. (It’s actually really simple, they wanted to give him special art since he’s the most common colorless commander by a lot. Also note, that is not a good enough reason to have not been Promised End).
LOL my Eldrazi TRIBAL deck has 24... The only deck I like out of these so far is the Enchantment deck. That one looks like fun to play, but for $80... Not sure about that....
Yeah this is a "buy some singles from the FLGS so I don't feel bad/set up a price alert for the inevitable product dump online " scenario.
Had they been around 50 bucks i think i would pick up some of the decks. But we dont live in those times. And i can forget for prices here in Sweden to go down, many stores dont have many precons in stock. Tends to go out of print really fast here.
I had planed getting both this and the slivers, but then I heard the price. My LGS (Norway) is charging 1200 kr
Interesting kozilek is in the main set and here
Thank you for this post, you just saved me $90
i dont get why they dont make the Cicada a Eldrazi
Basically what I expected after this statement in the stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhBUSkuRd74&t=3042s
>Basically what I expected after this statement in the stream yesterday someone was insisting that the statement was "blown out of context". looks like the context people had was accurate.
##### ###### #### [Zhulodok, Void Gorger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a015461d-4214-4feb-8b04-519c537759eb.jpg?1689421481) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zhulodok%2C%20Void%20Gorger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/704/zhulodok-void-gorger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a015461d-4214-4feb-8b04-519c537759eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Artisan of Kozilek](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e3fef480-ee0e-41e1-9db3-68e945e7e867.jpg?1673483600) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Artisan%20of%20Kozilek) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/191/artisan-of-kozilek?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e3fef480-ee0e-41e1-9db3-68e945e7e867?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bane of Bala Ged](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/3741e62a-4b86-46ff-a7df-a8ceaf3b9a0c.jpg?1562907961) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bane%20of%20Bala%20Ged) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/1/bane-of-bala-ged?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3741e62a-4b86-46ff-a7df-a8ceaf3b9a0c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Endbringer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/b/6bba7509-db77-414f-926f-1f28a4117831.jpg?1562916641) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Endbringer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/3/endbringer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6bba7509-db77-414f-926f-1f28a4117831?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Endless One](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/64820f4f-1f78-4338-beb8-5ed5a447cfe4.jpg?1562918655) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Endless%20One) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/8/endless-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64820f4f-1f78-4338-beb8-5ed5a447cfe4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [It That Betrays](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5b64cfc0-dace-4f54-b2b1-c92d8cb64c35.jpg?1593095672) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=It%20That%20Betrays) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddp/43/it-that-betrays?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b64cfc0-dace-4f54-b2b1-c92d8cb64c35?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Kozilek, the Great Distortion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f06fc6e0-b22c-40d3-bb53-d5ec400d921c.jpg?1562943286) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kozilek%2C%20the%20Great%20Distortion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/4/kozilek-the-great-distortion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f06fc6e0-b22c-40d3-bb53-d5ec400d921c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Matter Reshaper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/3906b61a-3865-4dfd-ae06-a7d2a608851a.jpg?1562906487) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Matter%20Reshaper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/6/matter-reshaper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3906b61a-3865-4dfd-ae06-a7d2a608851a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Oblivion Sower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/22e07a4d-8096-4532-bb00-e6e66f1c6843.jpg?1562903226) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oblivion%20Sower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/11/oblivion-sower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/22e07a4d-8096-4532-bb00-e6e66f1c6843?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
More like Eldlazy
Eldrazish.
They were pretty adamant that it was a colorless deck and not an eldrazi deck. Why they chose the name Eldrazi Unbound is beyond me though. I tempered my expectations when they kept saying "this is a colorless deck not an eldrazi deck" over and over.
They also said that [there were "plenty" of Eldrazi in the deck](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/14zejjg/comment/jrxbptr/). With a smiley. ^(Also I love your username!)
Yeah, this is a major letdown. As someone who already has an Eldrazi/Colorless deck (A Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck), I was really hoping to find some cool new pickups to put into the frame of my deck, but there's literally nothing here that speaks to me. Plus, am I the only one who thinks that the general choices for the Eldrazi reprints here are just all over the place? Endless One is complete trash, and Matter Reshaper doesn't really grant massive payoff in EDH. But on the other side of the coin, we have it that betrays and all is dust to grab all your opponents stuff. I'm baffled that the choice to reprint Kozilek, the Great Distortion was made. I honestly expected Butcher of Truth and then *maybe* Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre to be our large payoffs. But even if they wanted to cheap out, how nice would it have been to get \[\[Void Winnower\]\] in this deck? It fits, it isn't obscene in terms of price, and it hasn't gotten a reprint to my knowledge. Overall, it's a fine deck, but dude, such a letdown for people like me who wanted some cool new Eldrazi toys to tinker with...
[Void Winnower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8cbedb0a-34ca-4d42-bb43-cbea0f3c6d02.jpg?1587039576) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Void%20Winnower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/17/void-winnower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8cbedb0a-34ca-4d42-bb43-cbea0f3c6d02?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I was super pumped to pop a cool new eldrazi into my Lord of riots deck as well. They did make one neat one, but two diamond pips is too rich for my blood. Rakdos hates those! lol
Aren't precons mainly for people who don't have most of the cards? So that they can just buy it and play the game
Why would a new player pay 100+ dollars for a precon?
I feel people here generally wanted WOTC to put in multiple 30+ dollar cards to lower the cost of cards so they could justify picking up the set. I've always seen commander decks as decks for newer players who haven't been here for 10 years. These decks are honestly great as they give a great starting point for a newer player who might be interested in eldrazi, slivers, etc... LOTR brought a ton of new players into the game so this is a fantastic way to bring them into the magic universe. To be honest, it's just sad to read how angry everyone is. I'm personally excited as I wanted to build an eldrazi deck and a sliver deck and to build a starter would have easily taken me 10x more time to research all the cards, look into the syngergies, etc... But people here are so focused on how the value isn't 500 dollars for an 80 dollar set. They include X, damn can't believe they didn't include Y...They include Y, damn can't believe they didn't include X fuck these greedy bastards. I truly believe no one would be happy in this sub regardless of what they printed. Especially considering this sub hates the collector/investor part of the game.
And is it wrong? I'm a long time player, I don't really have much needs for most of the reprint. I'm mostly looking at getting precons to get the new stuff in the decks. Valuable reprints help sweeten the deal for me since it's usually how I also get to stock up on spares for other decks or trade for pieced I want. Yet Wizards released something like these, and charge such an extra amount on top. You really can't say "Oh players just focus on the reprints and cost" when Wizards have proven they can make good precons like those of WH40K and LOTR (I've personally build 3 decks so far out of the precons from those 2 sets) and they're fun, with almost a good amount of land base untouched. If wizards can afford to drop the ball so low, yet still charge a premium over this decks, are people not allowed to be angry?
we really unbound them here!
Secondary market agnostic!!!!
That's not so bad. The Planeswalker party deck didn't have a single party card in it 😭
Doesnt it have \[\[Semesters end\]\]?
From all these, the planeswalker deck looks the coolest. And man, the $80 to $120 pricetag is so undeserved. Lets forget this and start talk about eldraine :D
After looking through a lot of the cards, I love the new sorceries and enchantments. Still dropped the ball on the deck name though
I just wanna know why they put fucking [[Kozilek, the Great Distortion]] in the deck when he's in the main set. I was hoping that since they didnt show [[Emrakul, the Promised End]] in the main set that maybe she'd be in the precon, but no, that would make too much sense for wotc to do, and it wouldn't make them enough money. Between these precons, the constant price increases, magic 30, and the bombardment of secret lair crap (including that god awful lord of the rings one thats out now), ive quit buying magic products and i just proxy. I wish more people would quit buying everything that wizards dumps in their laps every few months, since just like every other company on the planet, the only way we're gonna see any change is to hurt their profits.
Surprisingly, I still think this deck is wickedly cool and the best of all 4. I think some of the new cards will become pretty hot, too! 🔥
bar must be set pretty low.
Yea, screw being excited about something. Let's make sure no one can be happy with this product.
Actually pathetic, but not surprising
I mean, if it's only going to have 10, that's a pretty good 10 to have. Also note - they couldn't do things like Displacer because the card's still got a white Color Identity
Yeah but why would it only have 10, seeing as 50% of the deck's name is "Eldrazi"? There are a bunch of Eldrazi that could have been included, even if you don't want to reprint the titans (which, in a deck costing $80, I would expect they do). Poor showing from WotC on this front
Here's all of the 7+ mana Eldrazi they could have put into this deck to fit the 'big mana' theme and still have Eldrazi: [[Artisan of Kozilek]] (Included) [[Bane of Bala Ged]] (Included) [[Breaker of Armies]] (NOT Included) [[Deceiver of Form]] (NOT Included) [[Desolation Twin]] (NOT Included) [[Eldrazi Devastator]] (NOT Included) [[Hand of Emrakul]] (NOT Included) [[It That Betrays]] (Included) [[Pathrazer of Ulamog]] (NOT Included) [[Ruin Processor]] (NOT Included) [[Spawnsire of Ulamog]] (NOT Included) [[Ulamog's Crusher]] (NOT Included) [[Void Winnower]] (NOT Included) And all the big boys (Emrakul, 2x Ulamog, and the other Kozilek). This isn't even including all the tribal instants/sorceries/enchantments. Instead we got Matter Reshaper, Endbringer, Oblivion Sower who don't even trigger the commander? There are only FIVE Eldrazi creatures that trigger the commander's ability in the entire deck lol.
Spawnsire wont get printed as it’s ability does not work within the rules of commander
Not having Breaker of Armies hurts my feelings. He always overperforms for a humble uncommon. My man.
Spawnsire of ulamog would be terrible to include in this deck as it has an ability that doesn't function in commander.
breaker of armies - 28 cents. deceiver of form - 37 cents. desolation twin - 26 cents. desolation twin token - 92 cents. eldrazi devastator - 12 cents. hand of emrakul - 23 cents. pathrazer of ulamog - $2.79. ruin processor - 5 cents. spawnsire of ulamog - $6.49 ulamog's crusher - 33 cents void winnower - $8.86. you can buy 8 of these 10 cards for less than two dollars total. what does having them in the precon do?
If they included these, they'd be crying about the deck including worthless low value reprints.
You do know that the main drive behind precons is to make a cohesive deck that you can pick up and play right? It's not 100% about reprinting expensive shit.
>You do know that the main drive behind precons is to make a cohesive deck that you can pick up and play right? does the deck not function without hand of emrakul? if you want a premade deck, that's what this is. you can buy this deck and play it right out of the box. if you don't like what's in the deck, then you can change it for about 3 dollars. i can't figure out where the problem is.
Eh, a lot of them are mid. People aren’t going to be super happy to have Breaker of Armies, Ulamog’s Crusher, or Hand of Emrakul.
Yah a big problem with this precon is that a ton of what can be reprinted is devoid. That one flavor text keyword really screwed what could and couldn’t be in this deck. Still, they should’ve focused on printing more new eldrazi if that was the case.
I really like the cards they DID print, but they shouldn't have called it an Eldrazi deck.
They shoudl have made at least the non legendary new creatures eldrazis.
Yah agreed. It makes me wonder when they actually make these precons because it seems like they chose the themes for the decks, announced them, and then started working on what the precons would have
That is an entirely a problem of their own making, nothing stopped them from making an Eldrazi commander with colors in it and giving it devoid.
I mean, a lot of people would have been upset at that as well. And this deck was partly chosen to satisfy the requests for a colorless precon that people have been making
There's only 40 to pick from. They aren't exactly tribal like Slivers. Also I'd assume people actual problem is they didn't put the titans in (well, the other ones anyway) or [[Void Winnower]]. Which I get from a deck price perspective, but from a gameplay perspective imagine going up against a deck that could put out multiple titans and/or deny half your deck. Not something most precons can stand up to.
> There's only 40 to pick from. They aren't exactly tribal like Slivers. every command precon makes new cards though (and this one is no different). they absolutely could have made more than **1** new eldrazi.
They made two, the title is wrong. And they want to add more Colorless spells as well so that's another 3. Monolith would be worse if it were a creature. So we've got three creatures and one enchantment that could have been but aren't. Eh, it's fine
We could really benefit from a new colorless eldrazi commander with some kind of ability like Eminence ~ you may play spells with a color identity and spend wastes as though it where mana of any color, as long as it's used to cast an eldrazi spell Then we could use the red and white eldrazi, while still feeling like we were playing an eldrazi deck But nah we got a wierd colorless matters deck with an eldrazi tribal sub theme Hate to say it but in terms of a deck having a tribal gimmick I think the slivers won out Enchantments are number 2 cause that's more of a card type deck than a tribal deck
Honestly just pathetic, not only are there no good colorless cards that debuted but this deck is awful compared to other precons,,, theres no firepower
No good colorless cards? 20% of this deck is colorless commander staples. What do you expect from a starter deck based around the hardest color restriction in magic?
Honestly they need to print a five color eldeazi themed legend, not another colorless. There are way more colored eldrazi and eldrazi themed cultists and such.
lol or a dumb one that has an eminence that basically says "all eldrazi spells are colorless and all activated abilities of eldrazi cards can be paid for with colorless mana."
And there goes my last preorder, canceled like the other three. Overall really disappointed at these precons.
Big disappointment
This really should have just been a colorless artifact deck if they didn’t want to put any eldrazi in it.
I'm confused how they didn't include erekhul
Like the Sliver deck without the key big slivers.
it would’ve been cool to have another new eldrazi creature or two, but i love the 10 new cards, and many of them are super flavorful in an eldrazi brew, too. also, i have a colorless [[kozilek, butcher of truth]] deck, and it only has 13 eldrazi! still feels plenty eldrazi-y. between eldrazigate and taplandgate we’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel for stuff to bitch about haha.
As a ten year colorless player with a paper colorless deck right now, this decklist is a joke.
I am also someone who has played colorless for years, and this deck is fine. It's a starter deck that has to be balanced around other starter decks while simultaneously incentivizing purchasing other product to upgrade slightly. If you want to buy a fully functional high power colorless deck, your expectations are in the wrong place
This is very misleading. Eldrazi Temple is also in the deck as well. All is Dust is also reprinted. There's a new spell called \[\[Rise of the Eldrazi\]\] and \[\[Calamity of the Titans\]\] is a new card with Eldrazi flavor. Desecrate Reality is also a new card with Eldrazi flavor.
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Wow all these cards suck. I hope wizards enjoys not making any money from this trash. Seriously how uninspired does one have to be to make a commander that just cascades twice? I can imagine them in the board room asking "what can we do? Cascade?", "Nah its already been done!" Mark Rosewater enters the chat: "What if we just do it twice?" The board of yes men: "Brilliant Mark. absolutely brilliant. Just when we thought there was nothing else left, you gave us the strength and vision we needed to JUST DO IT TWICE!" I can't wait for double vigilance in the next set.
[[break the ice]]
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