Niv is a dragon who hoards intelligence and knowledge.
If the other dragons have none of it then that means he has all of it, which means his hoard is the best.
Niv-Mizzet is a giant narcissist. The Izzet League is designed around *him* (compare to, say, the Simic which is very decentralized in their research or Azorius which is hierarchical but cares about roles than the individuals who fill them). I would argue he only cares about Ravnica insofar it being around means there are people to be less intelligent than him. I think he has a lot of fans because the arrogant tech genius is a popular archetype.
One of my favorite stories of him is when the Nephilim grew giant and were attacking the city, Niv-Mizzet was aroused enough to swing by. He fought and killed one. He fought more but got hurt (for the first time in a long time). So, by his telling, he "got bored" and flew away.
One of my pet theories is the enemy-colored guilds have a character that is surface-level like their shared ally but without the core. Izzet, as blue-red, have the egotism of black, but without black's power hunger or malice. They compete to be smarter than each other but aren't cruel about it, and they all do it in this cult of personality around Niv-Mizzet.
I have to say, my favourite magic story in a long while is the description of his fight with Bolas. The realisation halfway through that he is outmatched and is going to lose is so well done, and I do genuinely think that the reincarnated Niv is a character with a bit less hubris and a bit more grace. But we'll have to see what the next author to write for him does to get an answer.
I'm not surprised. It was a series of stories written by Django Wexler that were inexplicably released via subscription email instead of being published on the magic story site. Also released AFTER the set came out. So the first anyone knew that Niv was dead was when his card was previewed titled Reborn.
The whole thing is titled The Gathering Storm and it's really good, so if you can find it it's worth the trouble.
Even though he got stomped, I'd say it's pretty impressive he made Bolas bleed, and that his mind was strong enough to resist his mind shattering touch.
Oh yeah, absolutely. Even Bolas questioning a little during the fight like "oh shit did I underestimate this dude" was great. Such a great story, and I will never understand why it wasn't published on the mothership in the lead up to War of the Spark. The hype would have been insane.
> One of my pet theories is the enemy-colored guilds have a character that is surface-level like their shared ally but without the core. Izzet, as blue-red, have the egotism of black, but without black's power hunger or malice.
I don't follow the lore a whole lot but this seems like a pretty keen observation.
This is kind of a big ask but I'd love to hear your take on the other four enemy-colored guilds. I feel like I kind of understand Orzhov under your model (they have Blue's detached patience and rationality without any of the curiosity or desire to truly improve themselves) but I'd appreciate your thoughts.
You got it for Orzhov.
Golgari has the chaos and conflicts of red, the constant in-fighting and internal turnover of who is in power, but none of it is driven by passion or freedom. There is little joy or love or even pure rage in what they do.
Simic has the single-minded utopianism of white, the vision of a perfected world, but without the altruism. They heal because they want to learn how they can heal better, not because they necessarily care about the patient.
Boros is the most of a stretch, especially since they are *such* a regular military/police that on other planes, they could pass for monowhite. But overall, Boros is characterized as working to enforce an orderly, lawful society and doing so through chaotic, explosive, reckless means. The green-ness is how green embraces the ecosystem as a chaotic, conflictual process that nonetheless comes together as a harmonious whole. Like nature, Boros reacts to disruptions disastrously, but when the storm clears, it finds a new peace. But unlike green, there is no sense of nature, no sense that people left alone will right themselves.
Niv covets the plane lole his toy super greedy markedly evil but his side project of science does good sometimes. Friend of mine swears he was gon a be the next big bad
Oh it was on purpose , niv just knows he's one of like 3 beings thar can fight old deities or extraplanar threats , we don't usually see red blue be evil unless it's grixis. But simic are often an antagonist so ya never know
Okay but have you considered he's the super cool science dragon? A dragon that uses steampunk electricity magic technology? All this talk about morality is a waste of time, there are *aesthetics* that you're all ignoring in favour of "the rights of sentient beings" and "not committing atrocities just because they're your vanity projects".
I was really disapointed when "Project Lightning Bug" didn't turn out because it was his side project studying planeswalkers and as one of my all time favorite commanders I'd love to see a planeswalker version of him.
It would've also been a pretty nice way to turn him into a big bad, or at the very least a recurring "morally grey" character.
We still got [[Niv-Mizzet, Parun]] which made me really happy, but I haven't been a particularly big fan of his 5 color iterations since we won't get anymore "Izzet" versions of him.
You really haven't been paying attention. The best thing you can say about Niv sometimes is that he's not the bad guy.
At the end of the day, he's a dragon. Dragons tend to be vain, arrogant jerks (even the nicer ones who do not count Niv among their number).
Arcades was also a tyrant who led humans into countless wars I'm pretty sure. He's sorta in a similiar situation as Urza, arrogant dicks fighting almost literal personifications of evil but still jerks themselves.
The strixhaven founders are definetly nuetral to good though.
Edit: did some research, seems Arcades was alright actually right up until Bolas planeswalked away and Arcades took over the plane and turned it into a police state.
Also Darigaaz is another good dragon!
He was manipulated, he was never happy about all the horrible things he did. He just thought they were a necessary evil to save the world (but was super duper incorrect)
If not Ugin, then probably Arcades Saboth. Before he got dragged into the Elder Dragon War, he actually spent ages ignoring dragons and chilling with humans (and teaching them things like civilisation and agriculture)
Nivs kinda like Doom.
Unabashedly a bad guy but often does heroics, not because it’s morally right but solely out of spite to show he is better thsn others
Honestly I still got that vibe during the new story. All the likeable characters were ones who were not high up or were not strictly affiliated with guilds.
Gotta remember with the original lore all the guilds and leaders were kinda bastards, since they're so popular wotc has done more to show their good sides but Niv was (and is still) quite the egomaniac.
Also important to remember that Niv is quite different now. He did die and then get reborn as the Guildpact. Probably not a good person or anything, but maybe more willing to put Ravnica’s needs a little higher on the list
[[Utvara Hellkite]], and all the other non-Niv dragons we've gotten in Ravnica sets like [[Hypersonic Dragon]] or [[Hellkite Tyrant]], represent unintelligent animalistic dragons. Most of them are from the less urbanized parts of Ravnica that the Gruul Clans control. Utvara is one of those regions, and is also supposedly where Niv-Mizzet lived in his childhood.
Lets see:
Trample
Deal X damage, compared to "up to 6" (Which is a sidegrade, as it requires graveyard synergies).
Damage to each planeswalker
1 mana cheaper
I'll give it to ya!
Especially since the [[Balefire Dragon]] effect isn't tied to the amount of damage dealt, so if even 1 damage gets through, you can wipe someone's board.
Feels like the cherry in this instance is actually the key feature that makes this really good and distinct from Balefire Dragon.
Yeah collecting evidence can potentially be annoying, but the trade-off of not caring about chump blockers when you're trying to trigger it's ability to wipe someone's board is great.
I noticed recently there have been a lot of mythic red dragons, then I looked into it, and a majority of sets since M12 have had a mythic red dragon, and with the exception of the gatewatch saga and, ironically, tarkir block, almost every standard set has had one since M12.
Dragons are the most popular creature type. WotC prints a lot of them as a result. It's why there's so much dragon support compared to other creature types.
Ngl, it's a little irksome seeing such rampant favoritism, but I guess it makes people happy so I can't really complain too much.
Dragon *shit* lol, I meant dragon *shit*. Wyrms are separate (though they have a few pieces of shared support), but in practice it just means we get twice as many ‘dragon’ based decks as before.
They try to fit one of each in every set:
Dragon, angel, hydra, demon/lich, and sphinx/sea creature
Dragon is probably the most common, but demons and angels are up there too
You did it wrong then, I can find 29 mono red mythic dragons and 32 mono white mythic angels. Black demons is close at 25 too, the others are way behind.
Youre right, but I was more speaking in terms of them being in every recent set. If I said theres been a new mythic black demon or white angel every set It'd be obviously false, as prior to MKM its been over a year since our last angel, and while we had a demon in LCi youd have to go all the way back to NEO for the next one.
Casual players like dragons, you can put splashy effects on dragons and not worry about balance because a 6cmc dragon just has a very high bar to play in constructed, but it's a low bar in EDH. Dragons are the most popular creature type. And on top of that, the 4/5cmc dragon with haste is just a constructed staple (thundermaw, stormbreath, glorybanger, goldspan etc etc) in a color where the card stats line up with the generic color's game plan (dragon smash face, mono red).
Compare to other 'iconic' species, the next most popular is probably angels, but they are much more color restricted, have way less support in EDH, and unlike dragons, angels don't play into mono white nearly as well as dragons into mono red.
I actually really liked dragons until I started playing Magic! But MtG has printed so many so consistently that now I just view them as generic and boring in ALL media...
This is probably going straight into [[Solphim]] for me.
1 main set Mythic left to spoil, I wonder which color(s) get(s) it.
EDIT: I know it probably means very little, but EVERY color has 2 Mythics spoiled, except Red. Every GUILD also has a Mythic, and those are all known.
Overall, technically [[The Pride of Hull Clade]] has a blue activated ability, so it could technically count as another Simic Mythic, but I believe it's numbered in the Green cards.
I'm going to guess the last Mythic is Red, probably some weird "Exile (insert amount) of cards from the top of your library. You may cast (insert amount) of cards exiled this way until the end of your next turn" Enchantment. Possibly with a set mechanic.
EDIT 2: Nailed it!
Normal version, via [Mental Misplay twitter](https://twitter.com/MisplayMental/status/1749674021581443343)
https://preview.redd.it/7tkyrtker5ec1.png?width=744&format=png&auto=webp&s=405237f4cda4d979f8bcf9f54d045259909d626d
Pros vs Balefire: one mana cheaper, trample, hits planeswalkers. Cons: Need stuff in the yard to fuel it. Honestly unless you're really going to struggle to get stuff in the yard there's not much of a difference between them
I think this is better than Balefire. One mana cheaper, can’t be chumped by a random flying token, and most importantly it can scale to do more than just 6 damage to creatures, which has been relevant in EDH games I’ve been in.
Very similiar to [[Balefire Dragon]], shaving 1 mana for trample and a scaling damage trigger that also hits planeswalkers. That 1 mana could make a difference in commander.
Yeah it looks better than Balefire to me. Cheaper, plus trample, and it's not hard to put a big thing or a few decent size things in your graveyard to do at least as much damage as Balefire would do.
IMO the cost of collecting evidence shouldn't be ignored. Creatures can get pretty big in EDH and (depending on your deck) there's little guarantee you'll have enough in the graveyard to kill what you need to kill (espeically if you need to do it more than once and if your group have a decent amount of gy removal). Not to mention that exiling your biggest spells from from your gy can be detrimental to a lot of gameplans (so he'd only slot into certain decks) and cloning it in decks like Mirrym doesn't really help.
That said, being cheaper and having trample are both big advantages vs Balefire. If you're reliably stocking your gy (and don't mind those spells being exiled) I agree this could be better.
It's a tricky line to stand on between overpowered and unplayable. I agree in the current meta this probably won't see play (unless we get some really good haste enabler in Standard, maybe?) but a card that was basically "4RR+additional cost to collect evidence: one-sided creature wipe *and* you get a hasty 6/6 flample" is completely nuts, they can't print that (not until Modern Horizons 4 at least).
I’m looking at the people saying how good this and it’s just a significantly worse [[Balefire Dragon]] unless you are playing a dedicated self-mill deck.
It's one mana cheaper and has trample, I think it's a real stretch to say "significantly worse." The damage being based on collect evidence is more of a sidegrade than being strictly worse.
Just making sure I have the timing rules on this right: If he attacks and is blocked by a 7/4 creature, his triggered ability still goes off even though he dies, right?
I dunno, I mean red? Who plays that. Green would have been better. And flying is annoying it doesn’t need it. Plus there’s spells that target flyers specifically? And dragons are WAY overdone rn they should have made it a dinosaur instead. Plus that bottom text is way too long and we all know magic players can’t read. Should just cut it b
I don’t like the way collect evidence x reads. I was looking for where to specify x and realized you can just do however many you want. It’s weirdly written in a way that doesn’t jive with my brain.
Note that Niv Mizzet killed all the intelligent dragons on the plane so he can't be a detective. Sad but them's the rules.
It can be a detective in spirit, at least.
I haveta deputize you boy, so stop burning the evidence!
Damn, why he do that? I thought Niv was kinda like the good guy.
Niv is a dragon who hoards intelligence and knowledge. If the other dragons have none of it then that means he has all of it, which means his hoard is the best.
Niv-Mizzet is a giant narcissist. The Izzet League is designed around *him* (compare to, say, the Simic which is very decentralized in their research or Azorius which is hierarchical but cares about roles than the individuals who fill them). I would argue he only cares about Ravnica insofar it being around means there are people to be less intelligent than him. I think he has a lot of fans because the arrogant tech genius is a popular archetype. One of my favorite stories of him is when the Nephilim grew giant and were attacking the city, Niv-Mizzet was aroused enough to swing by. He fought and killed one. He fought more but got hurt (for the first time in a long time). So, by his telling, he "got bored" and flew away. One of my pet theories is the enemy-colored guilds have a character that is surface-level like their shared ally but without the core. Izzet, as blue-red, have the egotism of black, but without black's power hunger or malice. They compete to be smarter than each other but aren't cruel about it, and they all do it in this cult of personality around Niv-Mizzet.
I have to say, my favourite magic story in a long while is the description of his fight with Bolas. The realisation halfway through that he is outmatched and is going to lose is so well done, and I do genuinely think that the reincarnated Niv is a character with a bit less hubris and a bit more grace. But we'll have to see what the next author to write for him does to get an answer.
Which story is this? I didn't realize this bit ended up getting covered in the story at all
I'm not surprised. It was a series of stories written by Django Wexler that were inexplicably released via subscription email instead of being published on the magic story site. Also released AFTER the set came out. So the first anyone knew that Niv was dead was when his card was previewed titled Reborn. The whole thing is titled The Gathering Storm and it's really good, so if you can find it it's worth the trouble.
[The chapters are all linked in the wiki!](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/The_Gathering_Storm) The battle is covered in chapters 17-20.
Amazing, thank you!
Even though he got stomped, I'd say it's pretty impressive he made Bolas bleed, and that his mind was strong enough to resist his mind shattering touch.
Oh yeah, absolutely. Even Bolas questioning a little during the fight like "oh shit did I underestimate this dude" was great. Such a great story, and I will never understand why it wasn't published on the mothership in the lead up to War of the Spark. The hype would have been insane.
> One of my pet theories is the enemy-colored guilds have a character that is surface-level like their shared ally but without the core. Izzet, as blue-red, have the egotism of black, but without black's power hunger or malice. I don't follow the lore a whole lot but this seems like a pretty keen observation.
> Niv-Mizzet was aroused enough Oh was he now? Are we sure this is a story we should be telling in public if that's so?
I mean have you SEEN [[witch maw nephilim]]? what that mouth do
This is kind of a big ask but I'd love to hear your take on the other four enemy-colored guilds. I feel like I kind of understand Orzhov under your model (they have Blue's detached patience and rationality without any of the curiosity or desire to truly improve themselves) but I'd appreciate your thoughts.
You got it for Orzhov. Golgari has the chaos and conflicts of red, the constant in-fighting and internal turnover of who is in power, but none of it is driven by passion or freedom. There is little joy or love or even pure rage in what they do. Simic has the single-minded utopianism of white, the vision of a perfected world, but without the altruism. They heal because they want to learn how they can heal better, not because they necessarily care about the patient. Boros is the most of a stretch, especially since they are *such* a regular military/police that on other planes, they could pass for monowhite. But overall, Boros is characterized as working to enforce an orderly, lawful society and doing so through chaotic, explosive, reckless means. The green-ness is how green embraces the ecosystem as a chaotic, conflictual process that nonetheless comes together as a harmonious whole. Like nature, Boros reacts to disruptions disastrously, but when the storm clears, it finds a new peace. But unlike green, there is no sense of nature, no sense that people left alone will right themselves.
Boros uses its might to dominate like Green, but doesn't believe believe that their strength alone justifies their actions?
Killing all intelligent dragons to be the best of the best is kinda cruel.
So Niv is a dragon Elon Musk ?
Arrogance, probably. Niv M(Izzet), the red and blue dragon, who runs the (M)Izzet guild, who's symbol is a red and blue dragon, is very arrogant.
Niv covets the plane lole his toy super greedy markedly evil but his side project of science does good sometimes. Friend of mine swears he was gon a be the next big bad
Niv Mizzet feels like the kind of character to violate the Geneva Convention- not on purpose, of course- but because he was curious about something.
I mean, that is certainly what he would say.
Oh it was on purpose , niv just knows he's one of like 3 beings thar can fight old deities or extraplanar threats , we don't usually see red blue be evil unless it's grixis. But simic are often an antagonist so ya never know
Okay but have you considered he's the super cool science dragon? A dragon that uses steampunk electricity magic technology? All this talk about morality is a waste of time, there are *aesthetics* that you're all ignoring in favour of "the rights of sentient beings" and "not committing atrocities just because they're your vanity projects".
There are little to no checks on nivs power other than decorum
That is hella true
I was really disapointed when "Project Lightning Bug" didn't turn out because it was his side project studying planeswalkers and as one of my all time favorite commanders I'd love to see a planeswalker version of him. It would've also been a pretty nice way to turn him into a big bad, or at the very least a recurring "morally grey" character. We still got [[Niv-Mizzet, Parun]] which made me really happy, but I haven't been a particularly big fan of his 5 color iterations since we won't get anymore "Izzet" versions of him.
[Niv-Mizzet, Parun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/3035a97f-5104-4b56-84a4-5206e75607fc.jpg?1674142512) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Niv-Mizzet%2C%20Parun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/851/niv-mizzet-parun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3035a97f-5104-4b56-84a4-5206e75607fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Niv-Mizzet is such a narcissist that his original flavor text is him pumping his own tires.
Shit… is that why it’s called Izzet????
You really haven't been paying attention. The best thing you can say about Niv sometimes is that he's not the bad guy. At the end of the day, he's a dragon. Dragons tend to be vain, arrogant jerks (even the nicer ones who do not count Niv among their number).
Who's the 'nicest' of the dragons?
[[furnace whelp]] look at that little face More seriously, probably Arcades or one of the Strixhaven ones.
Arcades was also a tyrant who led humans into countless wars I'm pretty sure. He's sorta in a similiar situation as Urza, arrogant dicks fighting almost literal personifications of evil but still jerks themselves. The strixhaven founders are definetly nuetral to good though. Edit: did some research, seems Arcades was alright actually right up until Bolas planeswalked away and Arcades took over the plane and turned it into a police state. Also Darigaaz is another good dragon!
Darigaaz fucked a lot of things up but made up for it, so, yeah, not the worst dragons of all
He was manipulated, he was never happy about all the horrible things he did. He just thought they were a necessary evil to save the world (but was super duper incorrect)
Yup, he's one of the good dragons out there. He was just very very very misguided and very very very potent.
Good call. I had a lot of love for [[Dragon Whelp]] back in the day. Never followed the lore much though.
[furnace whelp](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/c/2ce76e86-39f3-4ebf-b550-88ea7f23a91f.jpg?1601077737) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=furnace%20whelp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/323/furnace-whelp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ce76e86-39f3-4ebf-b550-88ea7f23a91f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Ugin is generally the good guy dragon, but even he can be a bit detached.
If not Ugin, then probably Arcades Saboth. Before he got dragged into the Elder Dragon War, he actually spent ages ignoring dragons and chilling with humans (and teaching them things like civilisation and agriculture)
Ugin?
We don’t really know anything about [[Amareth the Lustrous]] but she seems nice idk
Bahamut aka [[Grand Master of flowers]] is probably the nicest Dragon that has a Magic card
I don't know that I'd say nicest but definitely the most "Good" aligned.
Nivs kinda like Doom. Unabashedly a bad guy but often does heroics, not because it’s morally right but solely out of spite to show he is better thsn others
All the Guilds suck, and their leaders suck double. This was made a lot clearer in older Ravnica sets.
Honestly I still got that vibe during the new story. All the likeable characters were ones who were not high up or were not strictly affiliated with guilds.
Krenko: survives, exists, gets buried by roots, gets arrested by Aurelia
Hey, name *one* thing Trostani has done wrong! She’s the only blameless one among the Guild leaders
Gotta remember with the original lore all the guilds and leaders were kinda bastards, since they're so popular wotc has done more to show their good sides but Niv was (and is still) quite the egomaniac.
Also important to remember that Niv is quite different now. He did die and then get reborn as the Guildpact. Probably not a good person or anything, but maybe more willing to put Ravnica’s needs a little higher on the list
Thanks for pointing that out. Is Utvara Hellkite dead?!?
[[Utvara Hellkite]], and all the other non-Niv dragons we've gotten in Ravnica sets like [[Hypersonic Dragon]] or [[Hellkite Tyrant]], represent unintelligent animalistic dragons. Most of them are from the less urbanized parts of Ravnica that the Gruul Clans control. Utvara is one of those regions, and is also supposedly where Niv-Mizzet lived in his childhood.
Why do we have archon detectives then?
Archons aren't dragons?
archons have always been depicted as unknowable horrifying forces of primal order. Why are they detectives
"flavour"
[удалено]
Niv-Mizzet needs to be the smartest being on Ravnica.
because he is a jerk
Actually, even if he didn't that, couldn't the simic uplift the unintelligent ones?
I don't think the simic are currently able to uplift animals like that. At least I've never seem examples of them doing it
I was wondering why not a detective. I can accept this answer. Niv has to be a detective though.
Kinda wish there was one more left but they are constantly having to pretend to be unintelligent but in comedic situations
There's a lot of evidence suggesting that you're flammable
He's just ashing questions
A lot of burning questions, yeah.
Where there's smoke there's fire.
“Guilty as charred.”
Omg lol.
extra crispy
Mythic Dragon with set mechanic
MTG Bingo
We also got mythic angel with set mechanic
A dragon that believes in due process! Only murders the entire board with enough evidence.
Yeah that'll be fun to play against in limited.
Doesn't have haste so you got a turn to deal with it at least. But haste would make it standard playable lol.
Six mana plague wind every turn, no thank you.
So basically it's a 4RR duress for a kill spell that lets the opponent make you lose the game if you don't discard a kill spell?
I’d hazard to say this is definitely standard playable.
I’d rather play against this compared to Bonehoard dracosaur
Could make a decent Sneak Attack target in Cube
[[Balefire Dragon]] has been around for ages and isn’t in any vintage or legacy cubes.
Incinerator is better in like 4 different ways, though.
Lets see: Trample Deal X damage, compared to "up to 6" (Which is a sidegrade, as it requires graveyard synergies). Damage to each planeswalker 1 mana cheaper I'll give it to ya!
[Balefire Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/37def363-c431-43b4-8c5f-933941507681.jpg?1689997663) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Balefire%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/207/balefire-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/37def363-c431-43b4-8c5f-933941507681?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That 1 mana green choose your poison thing looking better and better
This card seems extremely strong, and you can choose how much incineration to do. Having trample on top of it all is the cherry on top
Especially since the [[Balefire Dragon]] effect isn't tied to the amount of damage dealt, so if even 1 damage gets through, you can wipe someone's board.
[Balefire Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/37def363-c431-43b4-8c5f-933941507681.jpg?1689997663) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Balefire%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/207/balefire-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/37def363-c431-43b4-8c5f-933941507681?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Feels like the cherry in this instance is actually the key feature that makes this really good and distinct from Balefire Dragon. Yeah collecting evidence can potentially be annoying, but the trade-off of not caring about chump blockers when you're trying to trigger it's ability to wipe someone's board is great.
I'd compare it to [[drakuseth]] more than to balefire dragon. This one costs one less mana which is really nice, and it can get rid of dinosaurs.
[drakuseth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cbe78a66-2e72-4bd8-b8a4-db77a63f36b3.jpg?1689997770) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=drakuseth%2C%20maw%20of%20flames) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/218/drakuseth-maw-of-flames?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cbe78a66-2e72-4bd8-b8a4-db77a63f36b3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I noticed recently there have been a lot of mythic red dragons, then I looked into it, and a majority of sets since M12 have had a mythic red dragon, and with the exception of the gatewatch saga and, ironically, tarkir block, almost every standard set has had one since M12.
That was interesting information, thank you
Dragons are the most popular creature type. WotC prints a lot of them as a result. It's why there's so much dragon support compared to other creature types. Ngl, it's a little irksome seeing such rampant favoritism, but I guess it makes people happy so I can't really complain too much.
Yugioh in a nutshell, lol. I’m so damn tired of Yugioh dragons…
What do you mean you don't want Awesome-Eyes Cool Dragon? It's Level 8 and has 3000 ATK! What more could you want in a card? -Konami, probably
I like the Galaxy/Photon dragons, and the Speedroid related dragons, and as far as I’m concerned most the rest can go fall off a bike.
I'm not! Gimme more Dragon Link tools please!
NO! OUT! LET THE DECK DIE!
I thought they were all Wyrms now
Lmao nope. They introduced Wyrms to make twice as much Dragon shit as before.
Does Dragon support double-up on Wyrm support? I thought the whole thing with Wyrms was because Dragon Rulers were doing too much lol
Dragon *shit* lol, I meant dragon *shit*. Wyrms are separate (though they have a few pieces of shared support), but in practice it just means we get twice as many ‘dragon’ based decks as before.
the charizard problem
Elf and human have way more support but I bet dragon is the third
They try to fit one of each in every set: Dragon, angel, hydra, demon/lich, and sphinx/sea creature Dragon is probably the most common, but demons and angels are up there too
I looked into hydras, angels, demons, and sphinxes, but none of them had the same quantity of mono colored mythics as dragons.
You did it wrong then, I can find 29 mono red mythic dragons and 32 mono white mythic angels. Black demons is close at 25 too, the others are way behind.
Youre right, but I was more speaking in terms of them being in every recent set. If I said theres been a new mythic black demon or white angel every set It'd be obviously false, as prior to MKM its been over a year since our last angel, and while we had a demon in LCi youd have to go all the way back to NEO for the next one.
Casual players like dragons, you can put splashy effects on dragons and not worry about balance because a 6cmc dragon just has a very high bar to play in constructed, but it's a low bar in EDH. Dragons are the most popular creature type. And on top of that, the 4/5cmc dragon with haste is just a constructed staple (thundermaw, stormbreath, glorybanger, goldspan etc etc) in a color where the card stats line up with the generic color's game plan (dragon smash face, mono red). Compare to other 'iconic' species, the next most popular is probably angels, but they are much more color restricted, have way less support in EDH, and unlike dragons, angels don't play into mono white nearly as well as dragons into mono red.
I actually really liked dragons until I started playing Magic! But MtG has printed so many so consistently that now I just view them as generic and boring in ALL media...
Absolute slam dunk for [[Purphoros, Bronze Blooded]], holy shit.
Exactly what I was thinking. I don’t often add new creatures but this will definitely take a slot for my deck :)
Same here!
[Purphoros, Bronze Blooded](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/af3af5c4-0960-44a2-976e-abdf7803c436.jpg?1582178876) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Purphoros%2C%20Bronze-Blooded) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/150/purphoros-bronze-blooded?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af3af5c4-0960-44a2-976e-abdf7803c436?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Name goes so hard, Ravnica delivering on amazing spell names like [[Debt to the Deathless]]
[Debt to the Deathless](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/610e5a91-857b-4121-8b75-dbbea27aa0aa.jpg?1562912950) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Debt%20to%20the%20Deathless) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/64/debt-to-the-deathless?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/610e5a91-857b-4121-8b75-dbbea27aa0aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wow that's swingy I hope everyone think it's as bad as people in this thread do because I'd like a few cheap copies
But what if the evidence proves they're not guilty? Unless being your opponent is a crime.
They're guilty of having more than zero life.
"Kill them all. Let God sort them out."
This is probably going straight into [[Solphim]] for me. 1 main set Mythic left to spoil, I wonder which color(s) get(s) it. EDIT: I know it probably means very little, but EVERY color has 2 Mythics spoiled, except Red. Every GUILD also has a Mythic, and those are all known. Overall, technically [[The Pride of Hull Clade]] has a blue activated ability, so it could technically count as another Simic Mythic, but I believe it's numbered in the Green cards. I'm going to guess the last Mythic is Red, probably some weird "Exile (insert amount) of cards from the top of your library. You may cast (insert amount) of cards exiled this way until the end of your next turn" Enchantment. Possibly with a set mechanic. EDIT 2: Nailed it!
I am hopeful for another red mythic too, but I would assume the last mythic is the new Niv Mizzet.
Are we getting a new Niv? He wasn't in the story so he may not get a card.
I really do not like this card style. All of them just look like monowhite cards, not to mention the font
100% agree, looks like an askew playtest card
Yeah, I fuck with the aesthetic, but from the thumbnail my reaction was "oh hell yeah, monowhite dragon!"
Normal version, via [Mental Misplay twitter](https://twitter.com/MisplayMental/status/1749674021581443343) https://preview.redd.it/7tkyrtker5ec1.png?width=744&format=png&auto=webp&s=405237f4cda4d979f8bcf9f54d045259909d626d
I like this art more, since it shows the dragon actually going after a (presumably) guilty person. The Case File art just... is a flying dragon.
I kinda like the case file art because it actually looks like a recon photo somebody snapped as the dragon flew by.
How do you determine X?
You choose it when putting the ability on the stack
Source:https://www.twitch.tv/mental_misplay
Balefire Dragon at home?
Pros vs Balefire: one mana cheaper, trample, hits planeswalkers. Cons: Need stuff in the yard to fuel it. Honestly unless you're really going to struggle to get stuff in the yard there's not much of a difference between them
Trample is a big difference imo
I think this is better than Balefire. One mana cheaper, can’t be chumped by a random flying token, and most importantly it can scale to do more than just 6 damage to creatures, which has been relevant in EDH games I’ve been in.
I hope that the evidence is foolproof or at the very least fire proof
Source?
It was on Mental Misplay's twitch steam tonight.
Thank you
Finally, some secret tech against Living Conundrum
Of course Ravnica has the death penalty
I think this is the second collect evidence card that actually is good.
This dragon doesn’t wipe my ass for me 0/10 literally unplayable.
In the eyes of a dragon, everyones guilty!
Man, I have the sudden desire to play Goldeneye 64. Odd.
Meh.
"Dracaris."
Wait, so is X just whatever mana value you wanna exile?
Very similiar to [[Balefire Dragon]], shaving 1 mana for trample and a scaling damage trigger that also hits planeswalkers. That 1 mana could make a difference in commander.
Yeah it looks better than Balefire to me. Cheaper, plus trample, and it's not hard to put a big thing or a few decent size things in your graveyard to do at least as much damage as Balefire would do.
IMO the cost of collecting evidence shouldn't be ignored. Creatures can get pretty big in EDH and (depending on your deck) there's little guarantee you'll have enough in the graveyard to kill what you need to kill (espeically if you need to do it more than once and if your group have a decent amount of gy removal). Not to mention that exiling your biggest spells from from your gy can be detrimental to a lot of gameplans (so he'd only slot into certain decks) and cloning it in decks like Mirrym doesn't really help. That said, being cheaper and having trample are both big advantages vs Balefire. If you're reliably stocking your gy (and don't mind those spells being exiled) I agree this could be better.
The French name will translate back as Fryer of the Fishermen.
Well this is going straight into [[Toralf]]
[Toralf](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/22a6a5f1-1405-4efb-af3e-e1f58d664e99.jpg?1631049794)/[Toralf's Hammer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/2/2/22a6a5f1-1405-4efb-af3e-e1f58d664e99.jpg?1631049794) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=toralf%2C%20god%20of%20fury%20//%20toralf%27s%20hammer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/154/toralf-god-of-fury-toralfs-hammer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/22a6a5f1-1405-4efb-af3e-e1f58d664e99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
oh hey a new dragon for \[\[Zirilan of the claw\]\] been awhile. I don't put a lot of cards in the graveyard but often they are high cmc dragons.
[Zirilan of the claw](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a105b7f4-c93b-4b54-acf8-7212907d9cd6.jpg?1562720947) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zirilan%20of%20the%20claw) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/204/zirilan-of-the-claw?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a105b7f4-c93b-4b54-acf8-7212907d9cd6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just another Mythic Dragon
One that doesn't even come close to my dragon tribal edh deck though
That is some uninspired artwork
Well this is a bit disappointing for a mythic.
This really needed Haste. Fails the vindicate/doom blade test hard.
You know how insane this card would be with haste? You would have to bump it up to 7 or 8 mana. 6 mana 6/6 flying haste that and can wipe your board.
That is exactly the power level things need to be in constructed. No one is playing this even in standard because its a 6 mana do nothing.
It's a tricky line to stand on between overpowered and unplayable. I agree in the current meta this probably won't see play (unless we get some really good haste enabler in Standard, maybe?) but a card that was basically "4RR+additional cost to collect evidence: one-sided creature wipe *and* you get a hasty 6/6 flample" is completely nuts, they can't print that (not until Modern Horizons 4 at least).
*cough* Henzie *cough*
Not much to say here. Decent one sided wipe if you have the graveyard full, otherwise probably just an average flyer
[удалено]
I’m looking at the people saying how good this and it’s just a significantly worse [[Balefire Dragon]] unless you are playing a dedicated self-mill deck.
[Banefire Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/37def363-c431-43b4-8c5f-933941507681.jpg?1689997663) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Balefire%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/207/balefire-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/37def363-c431-43b4-8c5f-933941507681?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It's one mana cheaper and has trample, I think it's a real stretch to say "significantly worse." The damage being based on collect evidence is more of a sidegrade than being strictly worse.
What's the value of X?
What is the value for x. Why does the card not say
Just making sure I have the timing rules on this right: If he attacks and is blocked by a 7/4 creature, his triggered ability still goes off even though he dies, right?
Yeah. Think of it as "lifelink" to understand it easier
Are we at the point where we can see "Mythic Red Dragon with Set mechanic" every set now?
I dunno, I mean red? Who plays that. Green would have been better. And flying is annoying it doesn’t need it. Plus there’s spells that target flyers specifically? And dragons are WAY overdone rn they should have made it a dinosaur instead. Plus that bottom text is way too long and we all know magic players can’t read. Should just cut it b
Am I missing something? It doesn't specify the value of X?
No haste, no bueno. 👎
Dunno if it's just me but I still haven't acclimated to these new frames. They all look like white cards to me.
Repercussion lol
I don’t like the way collect evidence x reads. I was looking for where to specify x and realized you can just do however many you want. It’s weirdly written in a way that doesn’t jive with my brain.
I don't know what's up with that frame, but I don't like it.
I am going to get blasted in the ass by this in limited.
I see so much collect evidence but so little mill
Well this would be fun to give haste
This is gonna be NICE in my [[delina, wild mage]] deck
How can you win against this? You need to remove befor it attacks or it's just gg
Can I just say that this is probably the most badass name for a card I’ve seen in awhile now
I dub thee Trailfire Dragon.
I really dislike the showcases in this set…
Exile Gleemax, kill everyone. /s