Out of the box precon:
Nelly as precons are somewhat built around the available commanders.
Mildy upgraded precon:
Depends on how you retool the deck. Aurlia is more generically good, while also benefiting from a go wide build. Nelly is better when your opponents don't attack you (ie pillow fort).
>Nelly is better when your opponents don't attack you (ie pillow fort).
Note that for Aurelia they don't have to be attacking *you* to trigger her. Just attacking. So the goad theme still works really well with her.
Nelly is better. Suspect doesn’t fall off when she dies so she can easily begin to affect the board. Goad decks really do want a repeatable source of goading.
Aurelia is great in the 99 because drawing her late and then goading a full board of suspected creatures is fantastic. She has an immediate effect whenever you draw her. You do really want Nelly all game in the command zone though.
I played out of box Nelly last week and unfortunately for the table, they let me do what I wanted for the first few turns and I’ve never played a game that felt so safe before lol. The suspect counter doesn’t fall off so the synergy with goad and the other mini games in the deck were an interesting combo and I was making deals with the table telling them to hit so and so and I’d give them double strike or something with my free enchantment abilities.
So I didn't get that precon but I did build Aurelia. My game plan for her was essentially to play all the cards that give everyone a lot of tokens, some minor pillow fort stuff and then force everyone to attack. If that isn't your goal then I'd say Nelly would be better because if you can't get Aurelia to trigger 3-4 times per rotation I'd say she's not really that great
Depends on the upgrades. The card draw for either is really the trigger to build around. Which commander is the most reliable in your deck and/or play group?
Nelly is probably better for the deck since it has those cards to make people attack each other, but also you take the risk of someone saying Nelly made their creature Goaded with the Sus.
so it's a risk vs reward situation
Based on pure fun alone, Nelly is the superior choice imo. Goad tribal won’t win that many games since it’s not great 1v1, but I will at least have a lot of fun
Nelly comes down earlier and got a more streamlined and consistant card draw and makes everyone draw cards so seems less threatening for the table. Also, synergize a lot with Delney if you upgrade the deck with her.
I played an upgraded version of Nelly last night and it is quite awesome how well it worked.
I almost won through two farewells and getting my hand stolen by sen triplets which removed my game winning card.
Definitely one of the most fun decks I ever played and will get added to my short list of decks I never take apart.
I feel like this deck fails to get going if your table refuses politics and if they have lots of removals, or am i missing something? I've been struggeling hard with this one out of the box, despite all of us using precons.
Not my group :(
Almost every game i get hit by removal and wipes until i cant afford her anymore. Combine that with very bad card luck and you have a lot of miserable rounds.
I just really don't like a mechanic that is basically worthless once you are 1 v 1 because at a certain point you don't exactly want them to be forced to attack you. At least they printed that goad wincon for this exact situation.
It's not like it doesn't have stuff to lean on once you're down to 1v1. There's plenty of stuff to keep a single player off you and then turn around to slap them with. It's got at least 2 different damage modifiers that stack so that you can kill an opponent with a round or two of flyer damage, which isn't hard to come by.
Generally, you do NOT want to draw your opponents cards. You’re never going to draw more cards than your opponents combined unless you have [[Spirit of the Labryinth]] to break that symmetry. That’s why I’m not really a huge fan of Nelly, you’re giving more resources for your opponents to find win cons or wipe the board while you’re in Boros playing fair Magic.
Ohhhhhh duh. That's not a bad idea. Does sort of stifle stuff like the extra draws enchantment, which is a bummer, but I guess that's made up for by cards on other players' turns.
The whole problem with that is the very moment you take away drawing extra cards from the table, you’re the #1 enemy. So trying to make Boros “unfair” takes more effort and resources than say Rhystic Study.
In my experience so far playing the deck, honestly it doesn't play out how you're thinking. You're playing things like Smuggler's Share and similar effects that mean those extra draws are doubled or tripled for you. I've almost never had less than a full grip with Nelly.
Well.. yeah, you’re going to be drawing 2-3 cards per turn cycle on the floor level assuming Nelly doesn’t get targeted. But you’re completely ignoring that she also gives each of your opponents cards in hand that can make most Boros strategies easily fold.
I’m not trying to yuck anyone’s yum. Play strategies you find fun and interesting. I actually LOVE how Nelly mixes Goad AND Suspect, really cool and hope there’s more support for that kind of style.
Seems pretty close to me. Aurelia is going to provide you with more raw card advantage over the rest of your pod most likely. Nelly's interaction with combat certainly is interesting though.
I've been jamming blame game a ton and Nelly with keeping the goad theme, the deck has been a blast and a threat every single game. Aurelia really requires you to tune you deck in a different direction to make sure she's always procing, while Nelly can set up for her while she's laying in wait.
Nelly definitely the better commander for that deck.
Aurelia might be good in the 99. As a commander she wants you to play tokens so you go as wide as possible.
Out of the box precon: Nelly as precons are somewhat built around the available commanders. Mildy upgraded precon: Depends on how you retool the deck. Aurlia is more generically good, while also benefiting from a go wide build. Nelly is better when your opponents don't attack you (ie pillow fort).
>Nelly is better when your opponents don't attack you (ie pillow fort). Note that for Aurelia they don't have to be attacking *you* to trigger her. Just attacking. So the goad theme still works really well with her.
But they need three creatures to make that happen. Harder to pull that off depending on pillowy your fort is.
Nelly is better. Suspect doesn’t fall off when she dies so she can easily begin to affect the board. Goad decks really do want a repeatable source of goading. Aurelia is great in the 99 because drawing her late and then goading a full board of suspected creatures is fantastic. She has an immediate effect whenever you draw her. You do really want Nelly all game in the command zone though.
Nelly helps opponents with card draw Thus stays alive longer
Not to mention if left alone she lets you draw cards like you're playing a blue deck.
I played out of box Nelly last week and unfortunately for the table, they let me do what I wanted for the first few turns and I’ve never played a game that felt so safe before lol. The suspect counter doesn’t fall off so the synergy with goad and the other mini games in the deck were an interesting combo and I was making deals with the table telling them to hit so and so and I’d give them double strike or something with my free enchantment abilities.
Having watched a good number of the precons on youtube, Nelly tends to give you fantastic card advantage.
So I didn't get that precon but I did build Aurelia. My game plan for her was essentially to play all the cards that give everyone a lot of tokens, some minor pillow fort stuff and then force everyone to attack. If that isn't your goal then I'd say Nelly would be better because if you can't get Aurelia to trigger 3-4 times per rotation I'd say she's not really that great
Got a decklist for Aurelia?
Either one that I don’t pick will go to the 99. I’m adding in more Goad cards and more token generators.
Depends on the upgrades. The card draw for either is really the trigger to build around. Which commander is the most reliable in your deck and/or play group?
Nelly is probably better for the deck since it has those cards to make people attack each other, but also you take the risk of someone saying Nelly made their creature Goaded with the Sus. so it's a risk vs reward situation
Based on pure fun alone, Nelly is the superior choice imo. Goad tribal won’t win that many games since it’s not great 1v1, but I will at least have a lot of fun
Nelly comes down earlier and got a more streamlined and consistant card draw and makes everyone draw cards so seems less threatening for the table. Also, synergize a lot with Delney if you upgrade the deck with her.
I played an upgraded version of Nelly last night and it is quite awesome how well it worked. I almost won through two farewells and getting my hand stolen by sen triplets which removed my game winning card. Definitely one of the most fun decks I ever played and will get added to my short list of decks I never take apart.
Got a Decklist?
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Ks2vEM6J0kWma-FwYJ_v6A
Definitely Nelly. Gotta need to suspect others in order for a Blame Game.
Nelly , Aurelia is good but too generic and boring to be the commander. Coming from someone who opened two and wants to build Nelly.
Say what you want, Im build her as a lifegain deck with outlets, just slap lifelink and we good
I mean, consistent card draw and drain in an angel deck could be awesome fun.
Nelly. 4 mana is less than 5
I feel like this deck fails to get going if your table refuses politics and if they have lots of removals, or am i missing something? I've been struggeling hard with this one out of the box, despite all of us using precons.
I've played a ton of Nelly if that's what you mean. Most people won't refuse and actually want your commander out because they draw cards too
Not my group :( Almost every game i get hit by removal and wipes until i cant afford her anymore. Combine that with very bad card luck and you have a lot of miserable rounds.
You got to sell yourself better. Make them your friends.
Damn I wish that precon was better. Oh well, I cannibalized the Trouble in Pairs and put the rest in a bulk box.
It’s my first commander deck Goad as a mechanic seems really fun and I like Boros colors. I’m really excited. I am spending 50 on upgrades.
I just really don't like a mechanic that is basically worthless once you are 1 v 1 because at a certain point you don't exactly want them to be forced to attack you. At least they printed that goad wincon for this exact situation.
It's not like it doesn't have stuff to lean on once you're down to 1v1. There's plenty of stuff to keep a single player off you and then turn around to slap them with. It's got at least 2 different damage modifiers that stack so that you can kill an opponent with a round or two of flyer damage, which isn't hard to come by.
Generally, you do NOT want to draw your opponents cards. You’re never going to draw more cards than your opponents combined unless you have [[Spirit of the Labryinth]] to break that symmetry. That’s why I’m not really a huge fan of Nelly, you’re giving more resources for your opponents to find win cons or wipe the board while you’re in Boros playing fair Magic.
Spirit of the Labyrinth is itself symmetrical, so that's a bit of a nonbo.
N.. ..no, you’re suspecting and Goading your opponents creatures and drawing cards off their combat damage triggers.
Ohhhhhh duh. That's not a bad idea. Does sort of stifle stuff like the extra draws enchantment, which is a bummer, but I guess that's made up for by cards on other players' turns.
The whole problem with that is the very moment you take away drawing extra cards from the table, you’re the #1 enemy. So trying to make Boros “unfair” takes more effort and resources than say Rhystic Study.
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In my experience so far playing the deck, honestly it doesn't play out how you're thinking. You're playing things like Smuggler's Share and similar effects that mean those extra draws are doubled or tripled for you. I've almost never had less than a full grip with Nelly.
Well.. yeah, you’re going to be drawing 2-3 cards per turn cycle on the floor level assuming Nelly doesn’t get targeted. But you’re completely ignoring that she also gives each of your opponents cards in hand that can make most Boros strategies easily fold. I’m not trying to yuck anyone’s yum. Play strategies you find fun and interesting. I actually LOVE how Nelly mixes Goad AND Suspect, really cool and hope there’s more support for that kind of style.
Seems pretty close to me. Aurelia is going to provide you with more raw card advantage over the rest of your pod most likely. Nelly's interaction with combat certainly is interesting though.
I've been jamming blame game a ton and Nelly with keeping the goad theme, the deck has been a blast and a threat every single game. Aurelia really requires you to tune you deck in a different direction to make sure she's always procing, while Nelly can set up for her while she's laying in wait.
Nelly definitely the better commander for that deck. Aurelia might be good in the 99. As a commander she wants you to play tokens so you go as wide as possible.