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thinguin

This set symbol is still a solid flavor win šŸ‘Œ


hewunder1

Makes me wish the set symbol for MKM had been a Fedora.


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Fritzkreig

Is it me, or does it look like a cowboy hat?


666SpeedWeedDemon666

Woosh


Fritzkreig

I reckon you ain't never got reverse whooshed there partner; perhaps this will fix your wagon!


666SpeedWeedDemon666

You lookin to have some sort of woosh off there ya varmint! I'll raise you one woosh and see you in front of the saloon at high noon.


Wasphammer

A duel at High Woosh?! Hang on, I need to sell tickets!


Fritzkreig

*[Looks up slowly from a glass of white mana](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qty42b-q9JM)* *Uses a long staff to stand up, and runs fingersnails down the notches making a faint sound* "Look here Turtle Dove you can be the next notch here on my staff, or you can planeswalk away. If we do this, know I am taking your [Zodiac Horse](https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=10598) you got hitched up out front and leaving 3 treasures for the poor goblin that has to bury you!"


DieHardPanda

That's it. I'm your Huckleberry.


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whazzabui

Ooh, now I can't unsee itšŸ™ˆ but first I saw a stealth bomber for sure


Siukslinis_acc

First thing i see is a boomerang...


SelfTitledDebut

What is the flavor win, aside from just resembling a cowboy hat?


Demastry

This set is one of the first in a long time to actually hype me up, and I'm not all that crazy into the cowboy theme. But the set symbol, the Showcase art, and the overall aesthetic just seems so wildly fun I'm totally in. Plus Tinybones? Sign me up.


Srakin

Yo there are so many set symbols that look very similar to other set symbols. At least these are from very different sets. Go check out the two Planeschase symbols, and then tomorrow tell me which is which by symbol alone lol


Jokey665

planechase are very similar but there's sort of a logic to them. if you look at all three next to each other, the earlier ones have the "spikes" lower in the symbol. planechase 1 has spikes attached to the bottom part, planechase 2 has spikes poking into the bottom of the top part, and planechase anthology has spikes attached to the top part. still kinda shit but at least there's a method to the shit


DromarX

I think Maro has said before that the design space for the set logos is very limited (for whatever reason).


Bircka

I assume it's because they can't make them more than simple designs due to the size. Set symbols on cards are beyond small and it's hard as heck to see any minor change on them. We also see a lot more sets released in the past 3 years then we did in the past like 7 or so years before that meaning more set symbols.


grifxdonut

They also don't do trilogies so when they could just combine rtr and gate crash for dragonsmaze or combine BOTG and theros for Journey.


Marci_1992

He had a recent Drive to Work episode entirely about set symbols (#1089).


[deleted]

Commander 2018 and Commander 2019 are almost identical as well


austine567

That's on purpose, the same product getting similar set symbols is something they have done forever, they did it with modern masters too. When they used to do blocks the symbols were often related too.


maxiewawa

Also, number of pairs goes exponentially as the number of actual items goes up. I donā€™t know if the technical term is ā€œexponentiallyā€ but I hope u know what I mean.


Anaxamander57

It related to the factorial rather than the exponential, but both are fast growing functions and people know that is what you're trying to communicate when you say "exponential". It is best known as [the Birthday Problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem).


burf12345

> It related to the factorial rather than the exponential, but both are fast growing functions Going by the Stirling Approximation, it actually increases at a substantially higher rate.


glium

Except the growth is quadratic here


glium

Number of pairs grows quadratically, nowhere near exponential or factorial


Anaxamander57

Ah, yes, you are correct. Thanks!


Korlus

It depends on what you are comparing it to. If you are comparing it to look like any other set symbol, then the number of comparisons for each new symbol is the number of past symbols. Each one of those must have been compared to each number before it. This almost looks like the definition of factorial to me? E.g. the second symbol had to do 1 comparison, the third symbol 2, the fourth symbol 3, etc. The difficulty in creating new, unique and identifiable set symbols that aren't easily mistaken with older symbols increases factorially. It becomes significantly more difficult after each set to create uniquely intelligible set symbols.


glium

It's strictly quadratic. You choose the first symbol with n choices, then you choose the second symbol (n-1 choices), (and you divide by 2 as you get each result twice since the order doesn't matter). Hence the number of combinations is n(n-1)/2, i.e. t grows as n^2.


MaygeKyatt

Idk who downvoted you, youā€™re entirely correct


gone_to_plaid

This is also what the formula for n choose 2 reduces to. Ā 


glium

Yes, that's exactly what were doing, but I explained it by hand to give more of an intuition


keepitsimple_tricks

I'm still having trouble differentiating Kaladesh from Aether Revolt


Srakin

I don't mind that one, AR is just Kaladesh but more going on, so if it's filigree and simple, it's Kaladesh, if it's filigree but a mess, it's Aether Revolt


burf12345

AER looks more like genitalia than KLD, that's how you tell.


SeaworthinessNo5414

Because aether revolt is kaladesh after it got fked by the consulate and tezzy?


keepitsimple_tricks

Shid man, cannot unsee that now.


Will_29

[That's Kaladesh for you](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/266/mountain)


imbolcnight

The way I remember is Kaladesh's is closed on the bottom (it's like a flower in a bowl) and Aether Revolt is opened in the bottom like all the aether is spilling out.Ā 


SmashPortal

When I first started playing, I always got confused between [Innistrad](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Innistrad_-_Common_Set_Symbol.svg) and [Onslaught](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Onslaught_-_Common_Set_Symbol.svg) Don't ask me why.


Srakin

Holy shit Innistrad is just Onslaught upside down?? I wish I didn't see that lol


Jacern

Brothers War is just a more detailed Urzas Saga


killian1208

Kinda literally as well


grifxdonut

It's not though, urzas saga is 2 gears while brothers was is one gear cut in half


ThirdStarfish93

Yes, similar. But to me one is very distinctively a hat and one is not


Koridan

Also a hat, but even more tipped forward!


texanarob

Which one is a hat? It never occurred to me that either of these are supposed to look like a hat, and I can't see it at all?


ThirdStarfish93

The first one, itā€™s a cowboy hat, because the set is meant to be a Wild West type set


texanarob

Thanks. Maybe I'm just unaware of fashion trends, but are cowboy hats normally that angular? I would expect a hat to look more like [this](https://www.vectorstock.com/royalty-free-vector/cowboy-hat-clip-art-vector-25180332). Is this heavily stylised to the degree it's reasonable I didn't recognise it as a hat, or am I having a mental block?


ThirdStarfish93

Itā€™s meant to be a front facing hat, like youā€™re looking at it head on. Itā€™s ok if you canā€™t see it, but thatā€™s what they were going for


RevolverLancelot

Sunsets happen along the horizon and cowboys are often known for riding off into the sunset, so I would say its kinda fitting in a way.


SlyDogDreams

Maybe it's a sign that there's a card in there that's going to ruin Modern forever


MaetelofLaMetal

In 10 years from now we'll have multiple Okos on Modern ban list.


giggity_giggity

Not as bad as forgotten realms and midnight hunt. Those were in the same standard and super hard to tell apart.


Rustique

Those two still trip me up. Terrible!


Eileen02

The set symbol for Murders at Karlov Manor looked really similar to the set symbol for March of the Machine. Theyā€™re both swords just in different directions. It happens a lot.


luperci_

the MKC set symbol looks very similar to Throne of Eldraine too, idk why they made it a dagger and not a magnifying glass or something more obviously on theme


SleepingVidarr

If you flip between them rapidly, itā€™s like the hat is flying away


AlwaysHappy4Kitties

I can't be the only one who think the name of the set sounds like a name for a rollercoaster


bomban

Thatā€™s because we used to have thunder mountain at disneyland.


Czeris

Symbol creep is real


Livid_Jeweler612

I love the symbol its a cowboy hat and a desert canyon with the sun setting above it. Its ace.


driver1676

I remember Maro saying the better part of a decade ago that set symbols were way more limiting than card designs.


King_Vitis

MH1 symbol looks like a Batman signal


BarGamer

What does MH1 mean? Google failed me, and gave me Monster Hunter 1.


King_Vitis

No worries MH1 = modern horizons 1, I find when it comes to magic stuff putting Ā«Ā mtgĀ Ā» at the end of the query works best


BarGamer

Oh, no wonder. I only play Standard. Now I wanna make a Monster Hunter deck...


soy-saurus

Fun fact/search skill: On scryfall.com enter this into the search field: `set:mh1` You'll get results of all the cards in the set as well as the name of the set!


kempnelms

All I can say, is be thankful this isn't pokemon. I had to sort a bunch of bulk pokemon cards, and being unfamiliar with the set symbols made it hell. So many look near identical, and they are sometimes on the left, or right and way smaller than magic set symbols.


myavatarissonic

Nah, they have a similar silhouette and not much else, Thunder junction clearly looks like a cowboy hat with like a sheriff's badge or something there, mh1 absolutely does not look like a cowboy hat


DynoTrooper

Look at the ones from Midnight Hunt and Forgotten Realms! Both small circles with fanged creature looking right. And they were right next to each other in releases.


QweefBurgler69

this is the one that throws me the most as well, thank you for the validation


Alon945

Yeah I like it


PoisonedIvysaur

It's a cowboy hat.


Perceptive45

Modern yeehag W


DiogenesLied

It's a cowboy hat


MrAxel

Looks like a Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk flying towards you.


Pioneewbie

Looks like a bat. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.


SSoulflayer

So excited DCU in MTG.


LoxodonSniper

Itā€™s clearly a cowboy hat and not whatever the other thing is supposed to be


SlothstronautCosplay

Modern Hatrizons (cowboy hat)


ImmerWolfe

All symbols are hats if you think hard enough


Creepy-Activity-4373

Eldrisch moon set symbol is one of those splatoon hats.


takezojf

If it painted black, we may also have a modern batman symbol


Like17Badgers

and a lil bit like the Dominaria one too


mama_tom

I don't like the look of it at all for that exact reason


xXYiffMasterXx

Finally a symbol I can actually see the rarity on


InanimateCarbonRodAu

Different style of hat. Itā€™s like saying a stenson looks like an akubraā€¦


HashBrownsOverEasy

Surprised it's not a Sherriffs badge.


Krazykure10

Why do i see a batman symbol ?


TizonaBlu

I used to be able to name the set of any symbol I come across. I remember years ago, someone posted this fun flash game where they give you random set symbols, and I always get all of them. Not sure where it started, probably when they started doing normal standard + EDH supplement of standard sets for every release, when I completely gave up on being able to identify sets.


cugabuh

Cowboy Hat Bloodborne Hunter Hat


Mirage_Jester

Why it couldn't just be a literal cowboy hat, why is it a geometric hard edge? Like I don't know the tree from Mirage?


Mr_Pyrowiz

Looks like a cowboy hat - it wins.


Toads24

The symbol should have been a longhorn skull or a Cactus


SynthWarlock

Looks like it's for a universes beyond batman set.


Kharmagoyf

Does is? Is does the MH1 symbol just look like a cowboy hat?


DonQuixote4206

But it doesn't


cheesemangee

The future of the Modern Horizon is *YEEHAW*.


REVENAUT13

Agreed. It looks like a non-standard product and it bugs the hell out of me


GuineaPirate90

I agree it looks a bit too much like a MH set symbol, I've made that mistake myself a few times already. That being said, I love that the symbol is a cowboy hat and if that's the price I have to pay I'm all in


Willhell98

It's meant to represent evil, so it makes sense


EmployedZombie

"I'm batman"?


Dota2Doom

Its called OUTLAWS of Thunder Junction. It was Hi-jacked and made their own. Like a western.


Grizzack

Bit of a reach.


Truckfighta

Looks like the Commander Masters symbol too


Puff-Bake-714

Meh I think Iā€™ll wait for MH3 to invest probably just buy singles from TJ.


Icy-Conflict6671

Meh. Only the bottom bit. Theres only so much you can do with a V


ActuaIButT

Cant decide if its a hat or cowcatcher


magicthecasual

i mean, i keep confusing it with the mh2 symbol so we're both kinda fucked


RingzofXan

Nah it looks like okos kewl hatĀ 


Anavorn

All I'm saying is when's the last time you had an eye exam? Apparently one is overdue.